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Title: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 17, 2010, 09:31:26 PM
How much would you be willing to pay for a vinyl version of the CD box set?
How much markup would you allow to cost?
How much would 100 copies of the box set cost to produce?
I'll let you know later what it would be.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Живојиновић on May 17, 2010, 09:39:06 PM
You will rip us off.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: glen on May 18, 2010, 06:10:53 AM
Quote from: Yo quiero una mamada on May 17, 2010, 09:31:26 PM

How much would 100 copies of the box set cost to produce?



in vinyl?

lets see....    carry the 2...      double that, add 30.      and by my estimations you're looking at roughly $7000.     with of course a +/- of $4000.   all these numbers factor in exchange rates.


:?
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 18, 2010, 06:24:20 AM
It would be worth it at whatever the cost. It would be a lot of hard work to produce 100 of them, presumably the printing would be done by hand, 200-300% mark-up minimum, $400 would be ok if there were individual, personalised hand-written letters from Mackie and Buzz inside. Pre-orders only would give them an idea of how many to produce, hmmmm, and one lucky winner would be invited for a cup of tea and a scone with everyone involved at a time and place of everybody's choosing.
I'll get my coat...
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: (the) Razor on May 18, 2010, 07:38:11 AM
I'm downloading it.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 18, 2010, 08:23:05 AM
...y si kieres una mamada, komprate un Hoover.....
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 18, 2010, 08:36:56 AM
Quote from: jules on May 18, 2010, 08:23:05 AM
...y si kieres una mamada, komprate un Hoover.....

Sur X3, homes
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 18, 2010, 08:41:25 AM
research the co$t of mastering, check out the cost of pressing and price of vinyl
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 18, 2010, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: Yo quiero una mamada on May 18, 2010, 08:36:56 AM
Quote from: jules on May 18, 2010, 08:23:05 AM
...y si kieres una mamada, komprate un Hoover.....

Sur X3, homes
je je je  :)
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Idlehanz on May 18, 2010, 08:50:10 AM
Quote from: Yo quiero una mamada on May 18, 2010, 08:41:25 AM
research the co$t of mastering, check out the cost of pressing and price of vinyl
Hmmm...yea, something I've done before.  More than I'd want to spend. 
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"
vinyl is $10 for each 12"

so, the 13 LPs in plain paper inner sleeves would be $220 for 100 box sets;  $175 for 200;  $160 for 300.

the deluxe jacket packaging, production, distribution, shipping, and retail markup is additional

Melvins Ltd. would have to sell many sets to make it a worthwhile proposition; they don't have that
many fans willing to pay two-thirds Large minimum for a boutique item.
Arena gods TOOL, on the other hand, might be able to pull it off...but those guys don't have the body of work to fill a dozen
LPs. U2 could.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 18, 2010, 11:56:47 AM

I'm gonna guess $25,000 - $35,000 to produce 100, 13 LP (180 gram) with packaging.

So, as far as the retail price of that set...$450 - $650 each.

(the mastodon 9 lp box sells for around $250 with shipping, but the production prices might be
   slightly lower, per LP, when you make 1,000 verses 100. )

Am I close ?   

My speculations don't include advertising, marketing, shipping, etc.

Should I start saving now ?    :lol:  Are you taking pre-orders ?   :lol:

Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: glen on May 18, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"
vinyl is $10 for each 12"

so, the 13 LPs in plain paper inner sleeves would be $220 for 100 box sets;  $175 for 200;  $160 for 300.

the deluxe jacket packaging, production, distribution, shipping, and retail markup is additional

Melvins Ltd. would have to sell many sets to make it a worthwhile proposition; they don't have that
many fans willing to pay two-thirds Large minimum for a boutique item.
Arena gods TOOL, on the other hand, might be able to pull it off...but those guys don't have the body of work to fill a dozen
LPs. U2 could.

everyone who wants to buy one raise your hand. we'll divide that by the total cost estimated at $25,000.
*does the quick math*
:|
I see your point.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: LebRon Maiden on May 18, 2010, 12:00:35 PM
The Melvins should give themelvins.net a throwaway song for one side of a single, plus a few minutes of interviews for the other side.  Themelvins.net could front the cost, the melvins would get half the run.

A Vinyl Box set is ridiculous.  If you are going to put that much money into something, put it into songs that haven't been released.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: glen on May 18, 2010, 12:02:33 PM
FIGHT!!  FIGHT!!  FIGHT!!

sorry. I got a little overstimulated.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Idlehanz on May 18, 2010, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: LebRon Maiden on May 18, 2010, 12:00:35 PM
The Melvins should give themelvins.net a throwaway song for one side of a single, plus a few minutes of interviews for the other side.  

This idea has been thrown their way actually.  Well, the basic's of it anyway.  I'm waiting to hear back.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 18, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: glen on May 18, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"
vinyl is $10 for each 12"

so, the 13 LPs in plain paper inner sleeves would be $220 for 100 box sets;  $175 for 200;  $160 for 300.

the deluxe jacket packaging, production, distribution, shipping, and retail markup is additional

Melvins Ltd. would have to sell many sets to make it a worthwhile proposition; they don't have that
many fans willing to pay two-thirds Large minimum for a boutique item.
Arena gods TOOL, on the other hand, might be able to pull it off...but those guys don't have the body of work to fill a dozen
LPs. U2 could.

everyone who wants to buy one raise your hand. we'll divide that by the total cost estimated at $25,000.
*does the quick math*
:|
I see your point.


This project has been in the works for well over a year. The Numbers were run long ago and vinyl was seriously considered. The data have just been rechecked.......50K up front will get this ball rolling in earnest; investors would be justly rewarded.
No one is against this coming to fruition, but it is cost-prohibitive at present market figures.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: brian on May 20, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"

at least half the ipecac albums have been mastered for vinyl already (trilogy, pigs of the roman empire, mangled demos, nude with boots, a senile animal) this idea is way too ambitious to actually come to fruition though.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 20, 2010, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: brian on May 20, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"

at least half the ipecac albums have been mastered for vinyl already (trilogy, pigs of the roman empire, mangled demos, nude with boots, a senile animal) this idea is way too ambitious to actually come to fruition though.

Mastodon put out a 9 LP set.......Maybe they could just press the albums that
they haven't pressed already and make a cool case/box for them all to go in.

I wonder if Boner is gonna do a box set whenever that stuff comes out ?
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 20, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: brian on May 20, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on May 18, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
mastering is $700 per each 12"

at least half the ipecac albums have been mastered for vinyl already (trilogy, pigs of the roman empire, mangled demos, nude with boots, a senile animal) this idea is way too ambitious to actually come to fruition though.


Nude with Boots is the only one available. Alternative Tentacles and Hydrahead won't be handing them over if they still even exist.
There is the dilemma of 10" and single-sided 12"....... that won't work. HAT was 7".
Let's see a show of hands for those willing to pay a bloated price for substandard-sounding media in a bigger box.
Ask any masterer what he thinks about cutting and the high and low end of the spectrum available on vinyl.
Our pals of Mastodon are on a major major label with money to burn and absolutely nothing to lose. The publicity alone for Mastodon could be their reasoning. Relapse are just hired hands if not wholly or partially owned by Warner.
Boner ain't gonna happen.
If a thousand sets are pre-ordered at $500 per then it will happen.
Buzz knows what he is doing.
This I can assure you 100%.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 21, 2010, 12:15:51 AM

Oh Boners gonna happen !
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 21, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
Quote from: Israeli Gears on May 20, 2010, 11:20:49 PM

If a thousand sets are pre-ordered at $500 per then it will happen.

OK, I'll start the ball rolling:

1. Me
2.  ...................
3.  ...................
4.  ...................
5.  ...................
.........
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 21, 2010, 03:06:06 AM
Quote from: jules on May 21, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
Quote from: Israeli Gears on May 20, 2010, 11:20:49 PM

If a thousand sets are pre-ordered at $500 per then it will happen.

OK, I'll start the ball rolling:

1. Me

2. me
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: glen on May 21, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
(my wife will keep me for this but...)   me


(start working on a bullshit story for me immediately)
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 21, 2010, 10:50:19 AM
Instead of a box set of albums already out  :-s , why not pay the melvins to supply themelvins.net with the makings of a single, exclusive to themelvins.net?
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 21, 2010, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 21, 2010, 10:50:19 AM
Instead of a box set of albums already out  :-s , why not pay the melvins to supply themelvins.net with the makings of a single, exclusive to themelvins.net?
That's a great idea, too. Count me in. It would certainly be cheaper. I've often thought about them doing a gig for the people on themelvins.net, too, but I guess the logistics of getting everyone there would be too difficult with the U.S. being so darn big. It would work nicely over here; nobody's really further away from the centre of the UK than, say, 6 or 7 hours, it could be a weekend of camping (with tents, I mean, not necesarily acting overtly gay), with an evening of live Melvins music and us getting to know one another, or fighting one another or something. A Melvins competition (like a pub quiz), themelvins.net members jamming on the alternate stage (a p.a.and instruments having already been set up), a Melvins-themed cake-making competition, a competition for us to correctly identify each other, I could go on.
In any case I'd be in favour of anything novel or unique Melvins-related and I'd be happy to contribute with setting anything up if needs be.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 21, 2010, 01:04:36 PM


Count me in.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: EGO the Living Planet on May 21, 2010, 07:52:57 PM

I would absolutely LOVE to have one but it's probably financially unfeasible.

Why do it in such a big chunk?  Several smaller sets would be just as cool and getting one or two at a lesser price would be within the range of more buyers.

...or even better, how about just a straightforward issue of all of the albums on vinyl? The special limited/collector  stuff is cool and all but the album with all the artwork on black vinyl (180gr is nice)  with a digital download coupon (or include the CD) would be great. Just about all the indie labels big and small do that for just about all their artists so it's not like it's not financially possible. It's the format I buy the majority of my music on and it's consistently strong selling format (if not the best selling format) at the record store I work at.  I know the market's there. The customers of the store I work at and I aren't THAT weird. People even happily pay a premium for it.

If MELVINS put only put their stuff out on CD I will ALWAYS buy it, but they're one of maybe three or four bands I could say that about.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Idlehanz on May 21, 2010, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 21, 2010, 10:50:19 AM
why not pay the melvins to supply themelvins.net with the makings of a single, exclusive to themelvins.net?
Again, this idea, in a little different terms has been thrown their way.  Nothing's come of it yet.  We can hope   [-o&lt;
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Idlehanz on May 21, 2010, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: jules on May 21, 2010, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 21, 2010, 10:50:19 AM
Instead of a box set of albums already out  :-s , why not pay the melvins to supply themelvins.net with the makings of a single, exclusive to themelvins.net?
That's a great idea, too. Count me in. It would certainly be cheaper. I've often thought about them doing a gig for the people on themelvins.net, too, but I guess the logistics of getting everyone there would be too difficult with the U.S. being so darn big. It would work nicely over here; nobody's really further away from the centre of the UK than, say, 6 or 7 hours, it could be a weekend of camping (with tents, I mean, not necesarily acting overtly gay), with an evening of live Melvins music and us getting to know one another, or fighting one another or something. A Melvins competition (like a pub quiz), themelvins.net members jamming on the alternate stage (a p.a.and instruments having already been set up), a Melvins-themed cake-making competition, a competition for us to correctly identify each other, I could go on.
In any case I'd be in favour of anything novel or unique Melvins-related and I'd be happy to contribute with setting anything up if needs be.

Man...........when you dream, you dream big, don't ya?   :P
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on May 22, 2010, 03:21:41 AM
Quote from: jules on May 21, 2010, 12:20:43 PM
and us getting to know one another, or fighting one another or something.

"Fagging off."
Mark D

Aren't there any more hands for the vinyl box?
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Idlehanz on May 22, 2010, 10:00:43 AM
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Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: GrimReaper on May 24, 2010, 12:35:24 AM

I'm in.

What's the most you will pay for the CD box set on this tour?

I'm hoping it's under $250.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: blackjosh on May 24, 2010, 02:51:04 PM
Somebody post the cost when you see it for sale.
I don't want to take too much cash to the show.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Like Stee on May 24, 2010, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: blackjosh on May 24, 2010, 02:51:04 PMtoo much cash to the show.

No such thing.  You should give every dime you earn to Dale Crover personally, and thank him for being Dale Crover.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: >>>JZS<<< on May 25, 2010, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Like Stee on May 24, 2010, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: blackjosh on May 24, 2010, 02:51:04 PMtoo much cash to the show.

No such thing.  You should give every dime you earn to Dale Crover personally, and thank him for being Dale Crover.

...and take out a loan or second mortgage.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: rictus on May 25, 2010, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Like Stee on May 24, 2010, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: blackjosh on May 24, 2010, 02:51:04 PMI don't want to take too much cash to the show.

No such thing.

You must live on Sesame Street, or in Mr.Rogers' neighborhood.
Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: Dr.Benway on May 25, 2010, 10:30:51 AM
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Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jonE5 on May 25, 2010, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Idlehanz on May 22, 2010, 10:00:43 AM
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Title: Re: Melvins vinyl box set questions
Post by: jules on May 31, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
After the vinyl box set I vote for a cassette tape box set. Exactly the same material apart from one outtake of Leech.