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Title: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: bUTTHOLEmAN on March 28, 2018, 11:26:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnbeRJGygtg
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 28, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
I can't tell if it is Dale or Steven that sings this. Perhaps both? Although i suspect it is more Dale. Also, is it just me or does this sound like a bit of a mess truth be told.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: bUTTHOLEmAN on March 28, 2018, 12:17:10 PM
It seems like Dale starts out, and then you can hear Steven.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: deatheats on March 28, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
Good stuff, some new territory...correct me if I'm wrong, but I really can't think of another Melvins song that sounds like this!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Fureon Nectarmoon on March 28, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
Damn, I love it. The vocals could be stronger and I guess it could be just a little longer but it's definitely good stuff!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: PepsiMike on March 28, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Oscar on March 28, 2018, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on March 28, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
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Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: PepsiMike on March 28, 2018, 07:36:22 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Captain CoryCory on March 28, 2018, 11:41:43 PM
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Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:34:04 AM
Wow indeed.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 29, 2018, 04:13:36 AM
 :?
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on March 29, 2018, 06:24:52 AM
Quote from: deatheats on March 28, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
Good stuff, some new territory...correct me if I'm wrong, but I really can't think of another Melvins song that sounds like this!
Probably it was going to be a Red Kross song they decided to use instead.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: meezer on March 29, 2018, 06:51:35 AM
I love the song. Now I begin the cycle anew. Enjoy the hell out new Melvins song. Let down when they never play it live, ever!  :?
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 07:00:36 AM
Quote from: meezer on March 29, 2018, 06:51:35 AM
Let down when they never play it live, ever!
Sometimes that is probably a blessing!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 29, 2018, 07:05:18 AM
Quote from: Oscar on March 28, 2018, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on March 28, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
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Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 07:16:22 AM
Have you guys seen some of the comments on this video?


"For the first time ever I gotta say a Melvins tune actually totally sucks."

"they keep getting worse"

"Jesus what's happened to this band"



I have to say, it's difficult to disagree. The Melvins we knew and considered badass quite simply don't exist anymore. They are NEVER going to get great again. They are still putting out somewhat interesting releases of course but don't expect anything amazing. This is the Melvins now - multiple releases featuring a glut of tame, lazy, embarrassing, filler songs. It won't feel quite so special to say to someone you are a Melvins fan nowadays. They have gone the way of all great bands - their legacy tarnished and the output a shadow of past glories.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: meezer on March 29, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 07:16:22 AM
Have you guys seen some of the comments on this video?


"For the first time ever I gotta say a Melvins tune actually totally sucks."

"they keep getting worse"

"Jesus what's happened to this band"



I have to say, it's difficult to disagree. The Melvins we knew and considered badass quite simply don't exist anymore. They are NEVER going to get great again. They are still putting out somewhat interesting releases of course but don't expect anything amazing. This is the Melvins now - multiple releases featuring a glut of tame, lazy, embarrassing, filler songs. It won't feel quite so special to say to someone you are a Melvins fan nowadays. They have gone the way of all great bands - their legacy tarnished and the output a shadow of past glories.
You wanna hear some sonic suckage just wait a couple more years or decades for that dumb Tool album you keep pining for!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Colonel Cheese on March 29, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
I don't understand the hate or the dislike. The only Melvins records I don't listen to on the regular are Prick, Colossus... and Chicken Switch. I love them all! My only "beef" with this new record is that I think it's going to be too short (not enough for me, but when it comes to these guys I'm greedy) and I'll be stuck waiting again for their next new one. I'm sure I'll still listen the shit out of my copy of it. Melvins are still one of the best groups!!!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Topaz on March 29, 2018, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 28, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
Also, is it just me or does this sound like a bit of a mess truth be told.

I agree. It does sound like a mess. I was disappointed with Moving to Florida (I like Stop though).

This new album just might turn out to be filler to hold us over until their other 2018/2019 CD release -- whenever that may be.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 29, 2018, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on March 29, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
Melvins are still one of the best groups!!!

no doubt about that. Melvins can do whatever they want if you ask me.. even tracks like this new one  :)
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: meezer on March 29, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
You wanna hear some sonic suckage just wait a couple more years or decades for that dumb Tool album you keep pining for!
I know you are having a bit of a playful prod there and that's cool. But seriously putting Tool out of the equation for a moment, let's get real - is this song or the majority of Melvins material the last 8 years or so been all that great? Sure there have been some wonders but there have also been a good few stinkers and mis-steps too.

Despite how i frame my disappointment about these things, i must say i feel really conflicted on this matter. Part of me respects the band for doing what the hell they want - in taking risks and not repeating their past. Yet a big part of me laments their diminished efforts. For my money, they have always been a little wayward at times even on some of the masterpiece albums but still they never put out anything bad. The last 8 years or so have been a difficult period. Granted it's been a lot of fun getting excited about all the new releases and projects but none of them have inspired me much beyond thinking "that's good".

The truly sad thing is Buzz can still write excellent songs!! I would forgive it if they had just lost it completely but they haven't. 'This Machine Kills Artists' clearly showed that Buzz can still craft a mean song. That he is wonderfully consist there. It is what happens when the song gets translated from mere song to a full blown, recorded track. Also the insistence on covering stupid, infantile songs.

With every new record i listen to it. I enjoy each on some level but i don't get carried away. A bit disappointed and underwhelmed i foolishly always think "im sure their next album will be better" or "im sure the next record will be awesome" only to find myself in the same place again listening to the next effort. If we took all the good songs recorded over the last 8 years and compiled them together it would be a fucking great Melvins release. As much as i love new releases. I do wish they would slow down and concentrate on putting out a single, solid record. Not in releasing everything they commit to the digital ether.


Quote from: Colonel Cheese on March 29, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
I don't understand the hate or the dislike.
I don't hate it. I just wish for something better. Something more fitting for a band i consider a truly special, important act.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: meezer on March 29, 2018, 10:52:44 AM
The Melvins are making pop songs and following their whimsy and working with a bassist who seems to turn off roughly half their fan base, yes yes yes....

But if you're just a fan of music in general like I am this is a good thing. If you're a whiny doom metal fan who demands everyone keeps their arms and legs inside their doom metal cars on the doom metal rollercoaster at all times, I can certainly see how this is a bad thing. But don't worry because Sleep, Electric Wizard and idk, Boris will collectively keep churning out about one album a decade to satiate your appetite for that type of stuff.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 10:57:47 AM
I know you like to paint this picture of me being ONLY into doom or what have you, but it's not about making heavy or droning songs. Like i said above - Buzz's solo record was a resoundingly brilliant album. Is there anything typically doomy or heavy there? No, and it's the best thing he has been involved with since (A)SA. The only thing they have put out since then that gets even close to that was Freak Puke.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: blacksanta on March 29, 2018, 01:29:25 PM
I agree somewhat with ))))((((. The last two albums I enjoyed straight through were Bride and Bulls. I could probably do without 1/3rd to 1/2 the songs on all of the subsequent releases. They have some of their best work but there are a lot of tunes that are pretty meh FOR ME. After a few spins I find myself listening to a few songs rather than the whole album. On the other hand,  I like that they have hit the "crazy grandpa workin' in the shop for fun" phase and seem to be having a good time, so good for them. I'll still buy the shit and go to the shows :) It's now a life ritual for me.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Im curious. Has there ever been another Melvins song with piano involved before? I can't think of one right now but surely there has right?
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: (PAUL) on March 29, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Im curious. Has there ever been another Melvins song with piano involved before? I can't think of one right now but surely there has right?
The only one that comes to mind is that song on Singles 1-12, what is it, Fast Forward?

It sounds like most of you are not embracing the rub, and that perhaps Linoleum was correct in his assumption on our opinions on this upcoming release.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: (the) Razor on March 29, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
Yeah nah Melvins have lost me on this one.

I think the "crazy grandpa in the workshop/studio" phase just about sums it up perfectly... :lol:

Still the best live band going around though.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: (the) flutter nuts on March 29, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
I fucking LOVE this song
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Chief Ten Beers on March 29, 2018, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Im curious. Has there ever been another Melvins song with piano involved before? I can't think of one right now but surely there has right?

Prig, from The Bootlicker. Now the negative reaction makes me really want to sneak peek this, but I can wait 3 wks. I have plenty to listen to new/old until then. It seems in the last 5 yrs, the "metal" crowd has more or less been annoyed w/ the Melvins output lately. I love where they're at these days. But this is coming from a diehard Zappa/Beefheart/Primus fan here. :lol:
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Mints on March 29, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
I hear a bit of the band Death in this. Politicians In My Eyes? I'd have to look into it.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: some guy on March 29, 2018, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 07:16:22 AM
"they keep getting worse"

truer words have never been written (i actually like steven a lot though and also think redd kross' neurotica is way better than any melvins these days [although that's probably because i haven't listed to it 5 million ttimes yet])
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: some guy on March 29, 2018, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Topaz on March 29, 2018, 09:22:49 AM
This new album just might turn out to be filler

it's as if having two bassists playing on it is gimmicky or something

edit: whoa, 69 dude! i'm never posting again!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Bigval on March 29, 2018, 11:54:15 PM
The Melvins are in in their what mid-50's? This happens with every band as they age the music gets softer and softer. The Melvins of the 90's are not coming back. Yes, the quality of their recent output is starting to diminish their legacy but I suspect they know they have to keep churning out albums to keep fan interest and probably more importantly promoter interest as they no doubt make the vast majority of their money on the road.

I haven't listened to either of these two songs from the new album but with only 8 songs on the album, 3 of those being covers this will probably be the first Melvins album I just skip over completely.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 30, 2018, 04:50:06 AM
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on March 29, 2018, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Im curious. Has there ever been another Melvins song with piano involved before? I can't think of one right now but surely there has right?

Prig, from The Bootlicker. Now the negative reaction makes me really want to sneak peek this, but I can wait 3 wks. I have plenty to listen to new/old until then. It seems in the last 5 yrs, the "metal" crowd has more or less been annoyed w/ the Melvins output lately. I love where they're at these days. But this is coming from a diehard Zappa/Beefheart/Primus fan here. :lol:

it's not a bad song.. don't. worry!


Quote from: Bigval on March 29, 2018, 11:54:15 PM
The Melvins are in in their what mid-50's? This happens with every band as they age the music gets softer and softer. The Melvins of the 90's are not coming back. Yes, the quality of their recent output is starting to diminish their legacy but I suspect they know they have to keep churning out albums to keep fan interest and probably more importantly promoter interest as they no doubt make the vast majority of their money on the road.

I haven't listened to either of these two songs from the new album but with only 8 songs on the album, 3 of those being covers this will probably be the first Melvins album I just skip over completely.

totally agree with you!

Quote from: Mints on March 29, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
I hear a bit of the band Death in this. Politicians In My Eyes? I'd have to look into it.

good call!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 30, 2018, 07:04:53 AM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 29, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
sounds like most of you are not embracing the rub
Personally im waiting for The Jesus Lizard collab - 'Embrace The Nub'.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on March 30, 2018, 09:11:04 AM
Paul Leary once said musicians make their best music from mid 20's to early to mid 30's.  I do kind of see that across the board with bands.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 30, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on March 30, 2018, 09:11:04 AM
Paul Leary once said musicians make their best music from mid 20's to early to mid 30's.  I do kind of see that across the board.

Melvins did something great later too, how old they were when ASA came out?  :-k
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on March 30, 2018, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: black stallion on March 30, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
how old they were when ASA came out?
Buzz was 42 and Dale 39 back then.


Quote from: linoleum blownapart on March 30, 2018, 09:11:04 AM
Paul Leary once said musicians make their best music from mid 20's to early to mid 30's.  I do kind of see that across the board.
Im not sure if i agree or not. I think there is a thread of truth there as regards all artistic endeavours but some practices or individuals sit outside of that.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: black stallion on March 30, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 30, 2018, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: black stallion on March 30, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
how old they were when ASA came out?
Buzz was 42 and Dale 39 back then.


Dale had my age  :o
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Stonergrunge on March 30, 2018, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Bigval on March 29, 2018, 11:54:15 PM
I haven't listened to either of these two songs from the new album but with only 8 songs on the album, 3 of those being covers this will probably be the first Melvins album I just skip over completely.

Keep in mind that Lysol has six songs and half of those are covers... and Lysol is indeed fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Captain CoryCory on March 30, 2018, 06:03:47 PM
Don't let this distract you from the fact that a third Bill & Ted movie is likely to happen.

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Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on April 01, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 29, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 29, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on March 28, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Listened to it once, liked it. Piano!
Im curious. Has there ever been another Melvins song with piano involved before? I can't think of one right now but surely there has right?
The only one that comes to mind is that song on Singles 1-12, what is it, Fast Forward?

It sounds like most of you are not embracing the rub, and that perhaps Linoleum was correct in his assumption on our opinions on this upcoming release.

Yup. The haters are gonna to hate.  The embracers are gonna embrace.  It's different which it seems people want until they get it, but then it is actually not want they want.  They really want the same. 

Some of you guys are really going to hate this.  But skip it over....wow.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 01, 2018, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 01, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
It's different which it seems people want until they get it, but then it is actually not want they want.  They really want the same. 
When it comes to Melvins i always think of what John Peel aptly said about The Fall - "They are The Fall. Sometimes you don't know what you are going to get and they don't always give you what you want, but they are The Fall."


Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 01, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Some of you guys are really going to hate this.  But skip it over....wow.
I'll brace myself but i hope, if nothing else, to like 'Graveyard'. Im holding out for that one at least!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 08:23:26 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 01, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Yup. The haters are gonna to hate.  The embracers are gonna embrace.  It's different which it seems people want until they get it, but then it is actually not want they want.  They really want the same. 

Some of you guys are really going to hate this.  But skip it over....wow.

Yep

I think most people don't know or appreciate how a musician and their group keeps it up for so long, and the difference between merely keeping going and keeping going while expanding your style and playing with more fire in your belly than somebody half your age.   Most people in bands get bored and tired of playing music within a few years, at most.  Add in the physicality of the melvin's music and it's amazing these dudes still got it.  Imagine blasting yourself as much as Buzz and Dale have.  The late nights and long days driving with ringing ears and pounding headaches.  One spurt of that for some musicians and they're ready to quiet down for the rest of their lives, or at least not do it nearly as much as our boys do. 

That they do all that and still keep the fire burning is impressive, to say the least.  All the sideline sitters and shit talkers have no clue how to stay fresh, funny, and deadly sharp enough to make Embrace the Rub in their twenties, much less their fifties.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 02, 2018, 08:29:36 AM
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 08:23:26 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 01, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Yup. The haters are gonna to hate.  The embracers are gonna embrace.  It's different which it seems people want until they get it, but then it is actually not want they want.  They really want the same. 

Some of you guys are really going to hate this.  But skip it over....wow.

Yep

I think most people don't know or appreciate how a musician and their group keeps it up for so long, and the difference between merely keeping going and keeping going while expanding your style and playing with more fire in your belly than somebody half your age.   Most people in bands get bored and tired of playing music within a few years, at most.  Add in the physicality of the melvin's music and it's amazing these dudes still got it.  Imagine blasting yourself as much as Buzz and Dale have.  The late nights and long days driving with ringing ears and pounding headaches.  One spurt of that for some musicians and they're ready to quiet down for the rest of their lives, or at least not do it nearly as much as our boys do. 

That they do all that and still keep the fire burning is impressive, to say the least.  All the sideline sitters and shit talkers have no clue how to stay fresh, funny, and deadly sharp enough to make Embrace the Rub in their twenties, much less their fifties.
I think there's some truth to what you say there. But also a fair dose of laughable. I don't think anyone here (or i imagine elsewhere) is disputing that the band work hard. That they don't put in the effort and that touring is necessarily easy. I think we all can see that.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
It's the continuing creativity, energy, and humor that follows their hard work that I'm getting at. 
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 02, 2018, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
It's the continuing creativity, energy, and humor that follows their hard work that I'm getting at.
I agree with your there in a sense with that. Although sometimes i do think it is very easy to work hard in vain though. Hard work doesn't always result in something good and i mean that in all artistic endeavours.

Ultimately i don't think there is any right or wrong as such. A band that has been going for as long as Melvins are probably going to go through many stylistic changes and venture down different avenues. I don't begrudge them for doing that. It's perfectly understandable, it's just something i don't personally like. Generally i never do with any band. So with these type of long running acts, fans tend to either disassociate themselves from the bands they once enjoyed or they just accept the change whatever happens. I have a hard time with the latter because i cannot simply suspend my critical values just because it still says "Melvins" on the package. Wasn't it Buzz himself who said - referring to The Rolling Stones - something loosely like "when a band won't call it a day it's up to the fan to decide for them and stop listening".

Speaking for myself, i just don't like this attitude of blindly liking something because of who created it. I feel that way as regards all things. Everything has to stand (or fall) on it's own merit. Although admittedly if something i don't like DOES come from an artist i respect a great deal, i will give it much more of a chance than i would otherwise.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on April 02, 2018, 01:49:09 PM
When it comes to writing songs and studio stuff, I do not think it comes really that hard to them, but more naturally.  The road on the other hand, they are machines and would love to see any band out work them.

If in the studio you hit a song live on the first or second take is that bad?  Should you record it 5, 10 , 20, 30 times, then go back and punch in parts of them all until you have the one version you deem correct?  To me no.  I love live music and would rather that caught in the studio (with some embellishments here and there and the vocals), than a bunch of "cutting the tape", and overdubs.  But that is just me.

I can't wait to get some psychedelics, fat bowl, and listen to Don't Forget to Breath on repeat myself.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: aeustin on April 02, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
I feel like I am the only one that actually liked the song.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: GiveMe45 on April 02, 2018, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 02, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
I feel like I am the only one that actually liked the song.
I liked it quite a bit.  Can't wait to see them in July
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 10:15:19 PM
I dig it, feels like The Melvins to me, and it'll rock like hell live, too.  I think it would even make Ian tap his foot or slightly nod his head or something if he saw them play it right in front of his face. 
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: meezer on April 02, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 02, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
I feel like I am the only one that actually liked the song.
Nope. Loved the song. Loved all or most of all these albums everyone's complaining about (since Bulls And Bees, Bride , Freak Puke, whatever the arbitrary starting point of the decline has been deemed to be)  :D
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 03, 2018, 02:59:15 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 02, 2018, 01:49:09 PM
If in the studio you hit a song live on the first or second take is that bad?  Should you record it 5, 10 , 20, 30 times, then go back and punch in parts of them all until you have the one version you deem correct?
That's an easy "NO" to the first question and a "IF A BAND WANT'S TO" to the second. I don't think it matters too much whether something is worked on religiously and recorded many times or captured quickly - i think it's just about getting what you do record down the way you want it. Some songs or bands might need to be overly studious while others might work quick. I don't think either approach diminishes the value of someone's work.


Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on April 02, 2018, 10:15:19 PM
I think it would even make Ian tap his foot or slightly nod his head or something if he saw them play it right in front of his face. 
There's no need for that, just listening to the video has me "getting into it" already. Like i said before (although maybe i said this elsewhere) it's a catchy song. It's one of those ear worm numbers. I don't think that's a bad thing nor do i think this song is particularly a bad song. In fact fuck it, it's categorically NOT a bad song. I can enjoy it on some level, it's just not anything that amazes me or i feel remotely worthy of the band. If this was a single from some new act i would feel the same. I'd think "yeah, it's kinda alright" but it definitely wouldn't convert me to be a fan of that band. I'd just think it was a catchy rock song and probably never bother to investigate that band further.


Quote from: meezer on April 02, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
whatever the arbitrary starting point of the decline has been deemed to be)
Nothing arbitrary about it.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: GrimReaper on April 03, 2018, 06:58:35 AM
The double bass and double vocals in this song are great.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 03, 2018, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: GrimReaper on April 03, 2018, 06:58:35 AM
The double bass and double vocals in this song are great.
I can't say i can detect the use of two basses in either of these songs so far. But then im terrible at hearing that element in music anyway. I wish i could hear it more clearly. Do you think you can tell which bass in the mix is Jeff and which is Steven?
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Post by: GrimReaper on April 03, 2018, 07:07:13 AM
One bass in the left ear, one in the right.

"Yeah, dumbass" is Dale.

Remember, my hearing is fucked up, but that's my take on it.
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Post by: buddy holiday on April 03, 2018, 07:43:21 AM
you can hear the 2 basses pretty clear over the headphones.
i would say jeff on left and steven on right (at least on stop moving to florida)...
both tunes released so far go very well with me.

the amrep vinyl and cover look also great. i am ready to order!
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: meezer on April 03, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
Getting back to the video..... Weird shit!  :shock:
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Post by: Stonergrunge on April 03, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 02, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
I feel like I am the only one that actually liked the song.

I liked the song as well.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: deatheats on April 03, 2018, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 03, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 02, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
I feel like I am the only one that actually liked the song.

I liked the song as well.

Ditto
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on April 03, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
I dig the song. 

Florida is only two basses and no guitar, so easy to tell which one.

And yes cool each bass is on a side, same when they did it with the drums on the left and right.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 04, 2018, 04:37:27 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 03, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
each bass is on a side, same when they did it with the drums on the left and right.
It always confuses me when people say that. I think do they mean left speaker, right speaker as i see it or from the point of view of the music coming out of the speakers?? So in other words, that reversed.
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Post by: meezer on April 04, 2018, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 04, 2018, 04:37:27 AM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 03, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
each bass is on a side, same when they did it with the drums on the left and right.
It always confuses me when people say that. I think do they mean left speaker, right speaker as i see it or from the point of view of the music coming out of the speakers?? So in other words, that reversed.
Yes, speakers. Or the more technically correct terms are left channel and right channel.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: GrimReaper on April 04, 2018, 08:28:52 AM
(https://images.megapixl.com/2151/21517005.jpg)
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 04, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
I just had a good listen a couple of times to 'Stop Moving To Florida' (with different headphones no less) and i still couldn't really tell the difference between one side or the other. In fact im sure some bass is identical in both sides. Im curious about the Dale and Coady thing now too. I've never noticed their playing was separated. Are you guys sure? What would be a good Melvins song to hear the split? 'Evil New War God' perhaps??
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Post by: Captain CoryCory on April 04, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
I really dig Embrace the Rub, ready to hear the new album!

EDIT: I also wholeheartedly support the idea of a poppier-sounding Melvins record with some genuine weirdness. I mean most of these boardies went bonkers when the Big Business influence kicked in a decade ago, right?

Let's usher in that new era.
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Post by: amazonAMAZON on April 04, 2018, 11:43:14 AM
It's a fun romp. I had a similar feeling when I heard "What's Wrong With You" before A Walk came out. Like, that's not Buzz, that doesn't sound like a Melvins song, not sure if I like it.

I didn't grow up with Redd Kross and I'm only moderately familiar with OFF! so I don't really know Steven before the Melvins. But after a few shows I see them really gel and I think we're at the launching pad of a new era of prolifery for the Melvins. I can't think of a band who has had so many great streaks of music sustained over so long. "What's Wrong With You" grew to be one of my recent favorites and I love the chemistry in the band now.

I also hear echoes of Dale's Fickle Finger here, so while it might not be Buzz, I love me some Dale, too.

I'm keeping expectations low just in case. It does seem like an in-between album based on the press release and stuff. The song here seems relatively unpolished, perhaps unrehearsed.  Maybe that's what they were going for. But the curmudgeon level of ))))(((( just seems like way too many butt cheeks this time.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: linoleum blownapart on April 04, 2018, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 04, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
I just had a good listen a couple of times to 'Stop Moving To Florida' (with different headphones no less) and i still couldn't really tell the difference between one side or the other. In fact im sure some bass is identical in both sides. Im curious about the Dale and Coady thing now too. I've never noticed their playing was separated. Are you guys sure? What would be a good Melvins song to hear the split? 'Evil New War God' perhaps??

I can not think of any off hand.  I just noticed when I had a bad cord from my ipod to jack in my truck.  I'd hit a bump and lose the left side sound.  Then hit a bump and it would come back.  It made some of the drum off song sound like they had blank space. 
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Post by: aeustin on April 04, 2018, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 04, 2018, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 04, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
I just had a good listen a couple of times to 'Stop Moving To Florida' (with different headphones no less) and i still couldn't really tell the difference between one side or the other. In fact im sure some bass is identical in both sides. Im curious about the Dale and Coady thing now too. I've never noticed their playing was separated. Are you guys sure? What would be a good Melvins song to hear the split? 'Evil New War God' perhaps??

I can not think of any off hand.  I just noticed when I had a bad cord from my ipod to jack in my truck.  I'd hit a bump and lose the left side sound.  Then hit a bump and it would come back.  It made some of the drum off song sound like they had blank space.

With headphones on, I strongly believe that Dale is in the right ear.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Mount Ambulance on April 05, 2018, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: GrimReaper on April 04, 2018, 08:28:52 AM
(https://images.megapixl.com/2151/21517005.jpg)

This chick looks like a sexier version of Genesis P-Orridge
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 05, 2018, 03:32:08 AM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on April 04, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
I mean most of these boardies went bonkers when the Big Business influence kicked in a decade ago, right?
They did?? "Bonkers" in a good sense i take it?


Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 04, 2018, 11:43:14 AM
But the curmudgeon level of ))))((((
I wouldn't say curmudgeon is appropriate personally, more disheartened. Trust me i'd like nothing more than to hear a new Melvins album and be blown away.


Quote from: Mount Ambulance on April 05, 2018, 12:52:41 AM
This chick looks like a sexier version of Genesis P-Orridge
Ha! She does! Although it wouldn't take much to achieve that result.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: (the) Razor on April 06, 2018, 04:23:56 AM
I actually think Fickle Finger of Fate is better at exploring Melvins doing pop than Melvins exploring doing pop. That's such a great record.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Colonel Cheese on April 06, 2018, 08:59:22 AM
I Found the Way Out!!! Stuck in my head as i read the last post.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: glen on April 06, 2018, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on April 05, 2018, 12:52:41 AM


a sexier version of Genesis P-Orridge

wait..    no.      never say that again. 
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: Mount Ambulance on April 06, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: glen on April 06, 2018, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on April 05, 2018, 12:52:41 AM


a sexier version of Genesis P-Orridge

wait..    no.      never say that again.

Listen glen I know Gen's a peach and all but there are prettier girls out there.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: glen on April 06, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
there are prettier Orangutans out there.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: amazonAMAZON on April 07, 2018, 01:15:23 AM
Leave Genesis's looks alone. Props to anyone making a statue out of a canvas and some paint.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: DC on April 12, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: glen on April 06, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
there are prettier Orangutans out there.

You're better than that, Glen.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: glen on April 13, 2018, 06:27:47 AM
Quote from: DC on April 12, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: glen on April 06, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
there are prettier Orangutans out there.

You're better than that, Glen.

who dat

PS:  would you have preferred a bucket of smashed assholes? 
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: DC on April 13, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Just a little meanspirited is all.
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: glen on April 17, 2018, 08:01:27 AM
Quote from: DC on April 13, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Just a little meanspirited is all.

go ahead..  google Genisis P. Orridge.   I dare you. 
Title: Re: Embrace the Rub video
Post by: ))))(((( on April 17, 2018, 08:15:09 AM
Quote from: glen on April 17, 2018, 08:01:27 AM
Quote from: DC on April 13, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Just a little meanspirited is all.

go ahead..  google Genisis P. Orridge.   I dare you.
Judging by his website link, i don't think he will be put off!