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Title: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Idlehanz on January 17, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
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Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Captain CoryCory on January 17, 2014, 10:22:44 PM
I think I seen him use one similar to that in Louisviille on the 51/51 tour.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: DeeSonyaChin on January 17, 2014, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on January 17, 2014, 10:22:44 PM
I think I seen him use one similar to that in Louisviille on the 51/51 tour.

Yep, I was there at Vernon.  I remember it had a silver neck.  I hope they come back to louisville soon...
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Satchel Paige on January 17, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
now thats hot
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: (the) flutter nuts on January 18, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: Idlehanz on January 17, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q90/idlehanz/1545830_10151957079039024_622060839_n_zps352c8a40.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/idlehanz/media/1545830_10151957079039024_622060839_n_zps352c8a40.jpg.html)

That's just friggin' amazing!!!!!!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: meezer on March 26, 2016, 06:59:20 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 26, 2016, 05:09:24 AM
How many EGC's does Buzz own now? As far as im aware i can think of these ones...


Silver
Transparent
Transparent (blue neck)
Gold
Orange
Baby Blue


Also could someone who knows about guitars (which i absolutely don't!) tell me why he might acquire so many of (what i assume) is the same guitar??? As much as i like seeing them, i've never understood why musician's get more or end up with vast collections of guitars. Is it for the aesthetic value of seeing them or the joy of owning them or does each really play differently/have a different feel? The flexibility of being able to do different things or tunings? Surely there is a point at which you don't need any more.
It's great having a collection of guitars, even though one or two gets the job done. I've noticed he has about 3 on the guitar stand at their shows and plays one. Never seen him change midshow, but have read about it happening.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: meezer on March 26, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 26, 2016, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: meezer on March 26, 2016, 06:59:20 AM
I've noticed he has about 3 on the guitar stand at their shows and plays one. Never seen him change midshow, but have read about it happening.
I might be making it up entirely but i think i have seen a video where he did change guitars between songs. Again, i might well be thinking of someone else there though. I'd love to see his whole guitar collection. Bet there are some surprises as i know he's said he uses all sorts of guitars in the recording process.
Broken string. Tuner went bad. It happens. I saw Alex Lifeson exchange guitars with a roadie about two songs into the last Rush show I attended, due to a broken string. But the guitar never stopped coming through the PA.  :shock: :facepalm: :lol:
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: John Schuller on March 26, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 26, 2016, 05:09:24 AM
How many EGC's does Buzz own now? As far as im aware i can think of these ones...


Silver
Transparent
Transparent (blue neck)
Gold
Orange
Baby Blue


Also could someone who knows about guitars (which i absolutely don't!) tell me why he might acquire so many of (what i assume) is the same guitar??? As much as i like seeing them, i've never understood why musician's get more or end up with vast collections of guitars. Is it for the aesthetic value of seeing them or the joy of owning them or does each really play differently/have a different feel? The flexibility of being able to do different things or tunings? Surely there is a point at which you don't need any more.

1. Every single guitar plays differently for every single person. Some of it is personal preference, some of it is size/shape etc. of the neck, body etc.
2. Buzz is obviously fine tuning what he likes about each guitar and having it custom built for him with each new addition to his collection.
3. Although these guitars are similar, a lot of guitars are very very different - shape, wood, manufacturer, pickups etc. etc. etc. For example - a Fender Telecaster is going to give you a vastly different sound than a Gibson Les Paul.
4. It is fun to collect things.
5. Each guitar is like money in the bank.
6. Why the heck not own a ton of guitars?
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on March 26, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on March 26, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 26, 2016, 05:09:24 AM
How many EGC's does Buzz own now? As far as im aware i can think of these ones...


Silver
Transparent
Transparent (blue neck)
Gold
Orange
Baby Blue


Also could someone who knows about guitars (which i absolutely don't!) tell me why he might acquire so many of (what i assume) is the same guitar??? As much as i like seeing them, i've never understood why musician's get more or end up with vast collections of guitars. Is it for the aesthetic value of seeing them or the joy of owning them or does each really play differently/have a different feel? The flexibility of being able to do different things or tunings? Surely there is a point at which you don't need any more.

1. Every single guitar plays differently for every single person. Some of it is personal preference, some of it is size/shape etc. of the neck, body etc.
2. Buzz is obviously fine tuning what he likes about each guitar and having it custom built for him with each new addition to his collection.
3. Although these guitars are similar, a lot of guitars are very very different - shape, wood, manufacturer, pickups etc. etc. etc. For example - a Fender Telecaster is going to give you a vastly different sound than a Gibson Les Paul.
4. It is fun to collect things.
5. Each guitar is like money in the bank.
6. Why the heck not own a ton of guitars?
wouldn Ian throw away the case?
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Buzzinthebox on March 26, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
Some have slightly different pickup configurations I believe, him and egc fine tune his guitars to his needs so he's collected a nice collection so far. I'm sure that he has so many for the aesthetics considering the different colors and body shapes if you look carefully. I usually see 3-4 of the egcs in sight when I go to a show and saw Bryant Clifford Meyer ( the guitarist who showed buzz egc, from isis and palms ) change his guitar when a string broke mid song, so it doesn't hurt to have backups. Plus people tend to play guitar differently on different guitars even if it's just the color in my opinion, at least for me, so I think the variety is nice. Since Buzz is one of the main guys who uses egc and promotes them for free I don't think he has paid for all of his guitars in fact I think I remember him saying somewhere they he didn't
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on March 26, 2016, 05:37:52 PM
This really needed explaining?
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Mount Ambulance on April 09, 2016, 05:07:30 PM
Quote from: Satchel Paige on January 17, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
now thats hot

scorching embers!!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on September 10, 2017, 02:46:05 AM
He's got a purple one in the making now too!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1lGvol2x8/?taken-by=electricalguitarcompany


The collection so far...

Silver Metallic
Transparent (silver neck)
Transparent (blue neck)
Gold
Orange
Baby Blue
Red
Purple
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Mount Ambulance on September 10, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 10, 2017, 02:46:05 AM
He's got a purple one in the making now too!

Doves are crying
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on July 22, 2022, 11:31:44 PM
there's a EGC gibson RD clone i almost bought in Columbus Ohio thats gorgeous! a prototype!
(picking up a Dunable Asteroid sunday, the EGC is next on the list)
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on July 23, 2022, 03:46:07 AM
I still think Buzz had a better live sound before using these guitars
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 01:01:12 AM
 =D>
Quote from: black stallion on July 23, 2022, 03:46:07 AM
I still think Buzz had a better live sound before using these guitars
=D>

its super bright from the egcs, and for that you lose some of the heft in the heaviest songs.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: amazonAMAZON on July 25, 2022, 02:10:20 AM
I suspect he's got some hearing loss in the high end. I don't think it's the gear. It's the mix. His preference for brightness is the same on stage as in the studio where he is not always using the ECG.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on July 25, 2022, 01:30:35 PM
He said in a recent interview that both his old Les Paul and the EGC's sound the same. That he compared the sound from the two and if fans think he didn't then they are stupid.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on July 25, 2022, 02:10:20 AM
I suspect he's got some hearing loss in the high end. I don't think it's the gear. It's the mix. His preference for brightness is the same on stage as in the studio where he is not always using the ECG.
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like. :lol:
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: PepsiMike on July 26, 2022, 02:00:35 AM
Quote from: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on July 25, 2022, 02:10:20 AM
I suspect he's got some hearing loss in the high end. I don't think it's the gear. It's the mix. His preference for brightness is the same on stage as in the studio where he is not always using the ECG.
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like. :lol:
Didn't know that!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Oscar on July 26, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: PepsiMike on July 26, 2022, 02:00:35 AM
Quote from: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on July 25, 2022, 02:10:20 AM
I suspect he's got some hearing loss in the high end. I don't think it's the gear. It's the mix. His preference for brightness is the same on stage as in the studio where he is not always using the ECG.
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like. :lol:
Didn't know that!


I agree, I think the tonal shift of the EGCs corresponded with albums sounding different in terms of thickness and saturation. I think of Nude With Boots as the Les Paul sendoff, with Buzz playing his original one on every track (no shit, it's one of their best sounding albums). A record as dense (A) Senile Animal for example, would have sounded significantly different with his current setup.

What I also think was integral to their live guitar sound were the old Hiwatt 4x12s. While I really enjoy today's mix of 15s and 12s, the mid-90s/00s rig had something very muscular and wooden to it. The NWB tour combined his first EGC run with that old rig and blew me away completely when I stood in front of it.

Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on July 26, 2022, 12:00:12 PM
during early BB era I remember he was still playing those Les Paul guitars, the low end sound was totally better, especially on heavy parts. I'm referring to live setting obviously, in the studio I'm not sure which guitar he uses to play. probably it's not just the guitar though, maybe the rig/pedals are different too.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on July 26, 2022, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like.
If that is true it's absolutely bonkers!!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on July 28, 2022, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 26, 2022, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like.
If that is true it's absolutely bonkers!!
i think he's mentioned it in an interview or two, but it was also mentioned by a mutual friend. losing all those high frequencies has changed his sound, and i don't think most people in his camp want to be the one to challenge him on it.
he's also the penultimate utilitarian. everything in his rig is about sustainability first. easily replaceable and consistent, not something you get every time with tube amps, fragile les pauls, and harder to find gear.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on July 29, 2022, 01:26:44 AM
Quote from: FartLips on July 28, 2022, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 26, 2022, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: FartLips on July 25, 2022, 05:30:13 PM
he doesn't wear earplugs, never has. mfer has no idea what he sounds like.
If that is true it's absolutely bonkers!!
i think he's mentioned it in an interview or two, but it was also mentioned by a mutual friend. losing all those high frequencies has changed his sound, and i don't think most people in his camp want to be the one to challenge him on it.
he's also the penultimate utilitarian. everything in his rig is about sustainability first. easily replaceable and consistent, not something you get every time with tube amps, fragile les pauls, and harder to find gear.

yeah true, during recent gigs he was using those pedals with funny names though
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on September 21, 2022, 06:04:19 AM
The EGC's just keep on comin'. I was slightly surprised to see he's playing Telecaster style EGC's live now too.

I would absolutely love to hear more from Buzz about all his guitars he owns. The differences and why he has them. Just a 2 hour video talking about EVERY single axe he has!

(https://scontent.flhr3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305753069_669115171245626_1541763500516451781_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Nv6rhYgj8FkAX9VCTD8&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-3.fna&oh=00_AT8o2R7tOPcoMDoLatJ5OW1wfHVx8VTcuXFbheF0csHTNg&oe=632EF47D)
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: amazonAMAZON on September 21, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
At this point I think it's just part of his tour ritual. New mumu. New guitar. Cross off two songs from setlist and recycle two others. Rehearse rehearse rehearse, done!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on September 21, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 21, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
At this point I think it's just part of his tour ritual. New mumu. New guitar. Cross off two songs from setlist and recycle two others. Rehearse rehearse rehearse, done!
Ha, probably not far from the truth! I'd love to know if he has to pay full whack to get them, has them at a reduced rate or if they are freebies. I can't really imagine someone like him who is so business centric simply buying up EGC's for the sake of it. Not when he's already got (reportedly) 14. Same goes for the mumu's too. I know he has said a lady (whose name escapes me) makes them. I wonder what they cost or if she charges him for them.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: the bloat on September 21, 2022, 10:46:56 AM
QuoteHa, probably not far from the truth! I'd love to know if he has to pay full whack to get them, has them at a reduced rate or if they are freebies. I can't really imagine someone like him who is so business centric simply buying up EGC's for the sake of it. Not when he's already got (reportedly) 14. Same goes for the mumu's too. I know he has said a lady (whose name escapes me) makes them. I wonder what they cost or if she charges him for them.

Maybe everyone gets paid in limited edition vinyl. That's worth a pretty penny!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Mount Ambulance on October 01, 2023, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 21, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
At this point I think it's just part of his tour ritual. New mumu. New guitar. Cross off two songs from setlist and recycle two others. Rehearse rehearse rehearse, done!

Quote from: ))))(((( on September 21, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
I'd love to know if he has to pay full whack to get them, has them at a reduced rate or if they are freebies.

I would guess he gets 'em (at least some of 'em) at a discount of some sort. Good promotion for EGC. Kinda scratch mine I'll scratch yours niceties.

Quote from: ))))(((( on September 21, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
Same goes for the mumu's too. I know he has said a lady (whose name escapes me) makes them. I wonder what they cost or if she charges him for them.

Coady's girl (wife? girlfriend? I dunno?) his squeeze, Suzy Yun. So, I imagine Buzz prob hands over full clams.

Quote from: ))))(((( on September 21, 2022, 06:04:19 AM
The EGC's just keep on comin'. I was slightly surprised to see he's playing Telecaster style EGC's live now too.

Yeah, I dig that tele one. I like those lucite ones and that tele is sharp af
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on October 03, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
i honestly think Buzz had a better sound when he used to play a LP

not a fan of these guitars when played with distortion

Check Boris played by Boris with a LP

https://youtu.be/SCXWP5hoang?feature=shared


Check Boris played by Melvins with EGC
https://youtu.be/Zyi5ukJn0wg?feature=shared



Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: backstard on October 03, 2023, 01:11:00 PM
You're comparing YouTube videos from two different people at two different shows. Good job.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on October 03, 2023, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: backstard on October 03, 2023, 01:11:00 PM
You're comparing YouTube videos from two different people at two different shows. Good job.

so you think the sound is different because of the videos?good job  :)
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: glen on October 03, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 03, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
i honestly think Buzz had a better sound when he used to play a LP

not a fan of these guitars when played with distortion

Check Boris played by Boris with a LP

https://youtu.be/SCXWP5hoang?feature=shared


Check Boris played by Melvins with EGC
https://youtu.be/Zyi5ukJn0wg?feature=shared


as usual Stallion knows his shit. 
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on October 03, 2023, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: glen on October 03, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 03, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
i honestly think Buzz had a better sound when he used to play a LP

not a fan of these guitars when played with distortion

Check Boris played by Boris with a LP

https://youtu.be/SCXWP5hoang?feature=shared


Check Boris played by Melvins with EGC
https://youtu.be/Zyi5ukJn0wg?feature=shared


as usual Stallion knows his shit.
agreed on both counts.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 03, 2023, 08:54:38 PM
Stallions right. The Les Paul is a better instrument. Just facts. Buzz is probably at the point where hearing loss makes it six of one half a dozen yada yada. Plus the egc necks are easier and the instrument is lighter. I don't blame him.  But those guitars are lame AF. Look stupid too.

That said, Buzzo still wails and makes magic with whatever guitar he plays. It's all essentially negligible. He can play whatever he likes.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: ))))(((( on October 04, 2023, 04:02:59 AM
Quote from: joelk on October 03, 2023, 08:54:38 PM
But those guitars are lame AF. Look stupid too.
I don't think they look stupid. Admittedly it took a while at first to get used to seeing Buzz with them but i think they have their own coolness too.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on October 04, 2023, 04:16:11 AM
i think they are great guitars, especially their clean tone, the neck must be great too, but the lack of low end in their tone is pretty evident compared to a Les Paul. and i din't mean to say Buzz has a bad guitar tone now, i like it..
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 04, 2023, 04:43:10 AM
I've personally never liked the look of them at all, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. Buzz still makes good noise with them.

I just always found the travis bean model guitar to look dopey. And the colors always look gimmicky rather than classic.

Maybe "ugly" is a better word than "stupid" or "dopey." And probably closer to what I mean without the overstated value judgment.

I think they work better for players like Duane Denison and Steve Albini who have a sharper, or busier approach to the riffs they write. The EGC seems to work really well for that.

But I agree that with the more massive hulking sound Melvins have staked out, it doesn't quite nail it like the Les Pauls did. I bet they're easier to keep from breaking though, and that no doubt would be a major incentive for a band that tours as much as they do.

In the end, what the fuck do I know beyond my preference. And I'll admit most of my issue with it is aesthetic, though the slight (but noticeable) sound differences also make me favor the Les Pauls.

But I should stop yucking someone else's yum, as the kids say. Clearly Buzz likes them and more power to him.

But also holy shit how does anyone like that "wedge" design one. Yee-uck.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: glen on October 04, 2023, 07:36:33 AM
I think it's all about what makes Buzz's life easier these days.      the EGC's are substantially lighter, I'm sure.  plus they're free to him.   tone takes a bit of a back seat.   

welcome to the reality of old age.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 04, 2023, 07:54:56 AM
That makes perfect sense to me, frankly
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: vince furnier on October 04, 2023, 08:03:47 AM
he's on record saying that he doesn't get guitars for free from ECG. also told at least one rig rundown video they aren't lighter than an LP.  :lol:

you guys seem to miss the idea that the bands sound changed and guitar tone can come from other places than just the guitar.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 04, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: joelk on October 04, 2023, 10:18:43 PM
They aren't lighter? I'll be damned. Stand corrected. And yes you're right there's plenty that probably plays a role in the slight change in sound besides the guitar alone. Fair point.

Besides guitars, Boris is operating a different live rig altogether. Different amps and cabs and pedals etc. So it's not even a fair comparison to judge the guitars.

Nor is a change in sound the end all measure of anything a band does.

Again, my gripe is mostly aesthetic anyway. Could be id try one of those EGCs and it would nail the sound I love in my head. Id have to get a different looking model tho  :P

Buzz has commented plenty of times that people who prefer x guitar don't know what the fuck they're talking about. He's probably right.

At the very least he's right about whatever sound he wants and uses for Melvins however he chooses. It's always killer music.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 04, 2023, 10:46:21 PM
On a point separate from Melvins current guitar sound tho:

If anyone could help me figure out how to gain and keep this sound across a lifetime, id be forever grateful  :D

https://youtu.be/NkCP0O2q0gQ?si=HCis2UKBZZtvS7lf (https://youtu.be/NkCP0O2q0gQ?si=HCis2UKBZZtvS7lf)

Is he using the Beta Leads here? I can't tell from sight.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: vince furnier on October 04, 2023, 10:57:47 PM
you guys don't think a mountain of Orange amps skew the results of comparing two phone videos? i'll also add one rig rundown, J Mascis from Dinosaur Jr emphasized the importance of running your amps on as clean a tone as possible so as to not clash with the tone from your favorite distortion, overdrive or fuzz pedals. conversely, the guitarist from Clutch said he only gets his tone from his Orange amps, absolutely no pedals involved. my point being, tone comes from every part of the signal chain.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 04, 2023, 11:04:15 PM
No I agree with your point. I said as much above there. You're right about that for sure.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: backstard on October 05, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
tone comes from retards arguing on message boards
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 05, 2023, 10:07:03 AM
 :lol: yeah that's true too. Tone is an essentially retarded conversation.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: vince furnier on October 05, 2023, 10:40:25 AM
 :buzz:
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: PepsiMike on October 05, 2023, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: backstard on October 05, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
tone comes from retards arguing on message boards
I've got to wonder why "backstard" even sticks around a fan forum just to continually shit on others
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: glen on October 05, 2023, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on October 05, 2023, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: backstard on October 05, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
tone comes from retards arguing on message boards
I've got to wonder why "backstard" even sticks around a fan forum just to continually shit on others

I know a similar scenario.

PS:  I don't care what anyone says.   the Les Paul rules forever and ever. 
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 05, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Amen
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: John Schuller on October 05, 2023, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: backstard on October 05, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
tone comes from retards arguing on message boards

THIS!

Hahaha!

I am borrowing a friends EGC Plexi body right now. Here is what I think - it fucking weighs a TON! It makes a Les Paul feel like an SG when it comes to weight. The neck takes some getting used to, but once you do get used to it, it makes my Les Paul feel like it has a baseball bat for a neck. The EGC necks are THIN - once I got used to it, I really fell in love. But because of the weight of the guitar and the fact that I cannot afford one right now, I decided I better just stick with my Les Paul and SG. So I quit playing it because again, that neck is something else once you get used to it.

I love that you do not really have to set up the guitar other than intonation. Indestructable.

The tone is brighter than I am used to - but is real nice and can be dialed in the way you like with a good amp, good pedals.

If they were lighter and I was willing to give up my Les Paul and SG - I would totally love one, or two. Plexi body with the classic double cut away Les Paul style body and then the same but all Chrome.

Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 05, 2023, 10:14:25 PM
Thanks for that info, John!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: spliff(TONE) on October 05, 2023, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 03, 2023, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: backstard on October 03, 2023, 01:11:00 PM
You're comparing YouTube videos from two different people at two different shows. Good job.

so you think the sound is different because of the videos?good job  :)

The fact that you think the audio from two separate video sources (likely mobile phones, making this even more moot) taken at two different venues is an even measuring stick shows me that you either don't know what you are talking about or are simply being stubborn to prove your "point".
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: spliff(TONE) on October 05, 2023, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: joelk on October 03, 2023, 08:54:38 PM
Stallions right. The Les Paul is a better instrument. Just facts. Buzz is probably at the point where hearing loss makes it six of one half a dozen yada yada. Plus the egc necks are easier and the instrument is lighter. I don't blame him.  But those guitars are lame AF. Look stupid too.

That said, Buzzo still wails and makes magic with whatever guitar he plays. It's all essentially negligible. He can play whatever he likes.

They're both high-end instruments that cost thousands of dollars. One is mass produced, while the other is the exact opposite of mass produced. We all have preferences but pretending like this is an open and shut case because a couple guys on a BBS say so is a bit absurd.

As a guitarist and huge Melvins fan who has seen them dozens of times over the last three decades, I'd say that they're both excellent instruments (and don't really care which one King Buzzo chooses to use live or in the studio).
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: spliff(TONE) on October 05, 2023, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: vince furnier on October 04, 2023, 08:03:47 AM
he's on record saying that he doesn't get guitars for free from ECG. also told at least one rig rundown video they aren't lighter than an LP.  :lol:

you guys seem to miss the idea that the bands sound changed and guitar tone can come from other places than just the guitar.

Bingo!
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: spliff(TONE) on October 05, 2023, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: vince furnier on October 04, 2023, 10:57:47 PM
you guys don't think a mountain of Orange amps skew the results of comparing two phone videos? i'll also add one rig rundown, J Mascis from Dinosaur Jr emphasized the importance of running your amps on as clean a tone as possible so as to not clash with the tone from your favorite distortion, overdrive or fuzz pedals. conversely, the guitarist from Cloutch said he only gets his tone from his Orange amps, absolutely no pedals involved. my point being, tone comes from every part of the signal chain.

Tone also comes from the guitarist. Two different guitar players using the exact same equipment might sound quite different.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on October 05, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
it's not that difficult to understand that my opinion was based not on the two videos i shared but on the live sound Buzz got over the years, which changed a lot, in a bad or better way it depends on personal tastes obviously . with this said ,i didn't mean to disappoint  the many fanboys over here  :)
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: spliff(TONE) on October 06, 2023, 01:05:45 AM
Quote from: black stallion on October 05, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
it's not that difficult to understand that my opinion was based not on the two videos i shared but on the live sound Buzz got over the years, which changed a lot, in a bad or better way it depends on personal tastes obviously . with this said ,i didn't mean to disappoint  the many fanboys over here  :)

Except that you were literally comparing Wata's live Gibson tone to King Buzzo's live EGC tone, linking two videos of the same song from the same tour to show what you were talking about. If you were simply trying to state what you are here that's fine, but it was a pretty odd way to do it.

We all have our opinions but the biggest difference I have noticed in the Melvins live sound from show to show over the years seems to come more from what venue they're playing at more so than what equipment they are using (with the one significant exception being Trevor Dunn using a standup bass on the Melvins Lite tour).
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: black stallion on October 06, 2023, 01:23:23 AM
 if you think that was odd i have no problem with it. many old school fans of the band understood what i meant i guess, it's normal to have different opinions on things, a matter of fact is that Buzz changed his set up (not only the guitar), it's normal to have a change in the sound department too.Wata in that video sounds pretty similar to the old Buzz, that's why i posted it...
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 06, 2023, 04:34:04 AM
This thread has been interesting to read! And for my part I'm sorry I used cavalier language and wrong conjecture about the EGC itself. I do not lean toward the guitar style itself primarily, but certainly that point is subjective. Additionally most players I associated with it have a sharper sort of sound, which may be the "brighter" tone John mentions above. This is also not my preference but like I said, perhaps if I tried one I might find the tone I desire and already find in the Les Paul guitar. Could very well be! Glad to have seen everyone's take though, and to be corrected in my ignorance.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: vince furnier on October 06, 2023, 08:54:06 AM
i'm not upset at anyone over this shit.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: joelk on October 06, 2023, 09:29:00 AM
Good!  :D
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: glen on October 06, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
we don't judge anyone for being wrong.

:banana:
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: John Schuller on October 06, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 06, 2023, 01:23:23 AM
if you think that was odd i have no problem with it. many old school fans of the band understood what i meant i guess, it's normal to have different opinions on things, a matter of fact is that Buzz changed his set up (not only the guitar), it's normal to have a change in the sound department too.Wata in that video sounds pretty similar to the old Buzz, that's why i posted it...

I would agree that Wata is capturing that old tone that we know when we listen to Bullhead. Wata is also a fucking tone scientist fully worthy of two full Orange stacks and all of it's power!

Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: John Schuller on October 06, 2023, 01:31:50 PM
Really though - the best guitar in the world is the Gibson Les Paul, followed by the Gibson SG, followed by the Fender Stratocaster.

Especially if you put the Matt Pike Dragonaut pickups in your Les Paul - and then play that shit through an Orange Rockerverb. It took me years to get to this point in my rig and tone. If I was still using what I used in 1987 (Fender Strat and Peavey Classic Chorus) I would be bumming out hard!!!!

I personally like that Buzz has changed up his sound. What is really interesting though is that the two constants are Buzz and his Pre-Amp. It seems like he has always used the Beta Lead since the earliest of times and still does via the Sol Invictus pedal.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: trinityrolaand on March 19, 2024, 08:26:23 AM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The Gibson Les Paul and SG are indeed legendary guitars, and there's something special about the classic tone they deliver. And those Matt Pike Dragonaut pickups sound like they add some serious punch to the mix!
It's cool to see Buzz exploring new sounds while still sticking to his roots with the Beta Lead and Sol Invictus pedal. That kind of consistency can really shape a musician's signature sound over the years.
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Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Dumpster D on March 20, 2024, 12:15:04 AM
I'll seriously Punch Matt Pike right in his Dragonauts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZcKC6FJTc
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: crushr24 on March 21, 2024, 04:01:04 AM
I too prefer the tone of the Les Paul.  Buzz has said in many interviews that he got sick of breaking Les Paul necks from the stresses of touring.  But I too think Buzz's hearing to shot after years of playing at 11.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: Dumpster D on March 23, 2024, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: crushr24 on March 21, 2024, 04:01:04 AMbreaking Les Paul necks from the stresses of touring.

The 'airline' people..Is the problem area for guitar breakage, hence why they're still rippin' coast to coast in the Melvan.
Title: Re: Another new Buzz guitar from EGC
Post by: FartLips on April 21, 2024, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: crushr24 on March 21, 2024, 04:01:04 AMI too prefer the tone of the Les Paul.  Buzz has said in many interviews that he got sick of breaking Les Paul necks from the stresses of touring.  But I too think Buzz's hearing to shot after years of playing at 11.
yeah he doesn't wear earplugs.