New Melvins drops in late August but a haze edition is coming a few weeks earlier.
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infinitely better album title than the last one. :lol:
Awesome!!!! I did think that could be the title since it was on a t-shirt plus when asked to describe the new record Dale said "a bad mood". I hope this comes to Ipecac at some point. I wonder why it hasn't already?? Is this just gonna be an AmRep thing? Also i wonder which track Dylan Carlson appears on.
1. Mister Dog Is Totally Right
2. Never Say You're Sorry
3. My Discomfort Is Radiant
4. It Won't Or It Might
5. Hammering
6. The Receiver And The Empire State
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 28, 2022, 08:39:49 AMI hope this comes to Ipecac at some point.
Ipecac only puts out their albums this just looks like one of those regular Amrep EP's. The songs will probably be on the next Ipecac album anyway.
Quote from: Bigval on July 28, 2022, 09:20:27 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 28, 2022, 08:39:49 AMI hope this comes to Ipecac at some point.
Ipecac only puts out their albums this just looks like one of those regular Amrep EP's. The songs will probably be on the next Ipecac album anyway.
Well it does say "LP". Based on the live performance, we know the first track is a good 10 minutes long. Then there is 'Never...' and 'Reciever...' which combined takes us to around 18 minutes. A good half of a regular Melvins album. I suppose this could be a shorter - maybe around the 35 minute mark. Also they did mention doing a lot of recording over the pandemic i suppose this could potentially be part of a larger whole. They seem to have got into the double album thing lately so perhaps if this is to be an Ipecac release further down the line it could be rather a huge release.
Well, there are a lot of albums with only six tracks on them, like:
- Blind Faith S/T album
- Electric Wizard with "Let Us Prey" (the original version, at least)
- "Station" by Russian Circles
- The Mars Volta's "Frances The Mute" (that is actually a 5-song album)
And even the standard edition of Josiah's "We Lay On Cold Stone", so, yes, this could be released through Ipecac just like that anyway.
I think the standard is something like 8 songs and/or 30 minutes in length officially constitutes an album. It remains to be seen how long the songs are but on the face of it six songs won't be enough and regardless the Melvins have an albums deal with Ipecac which should be the tip that this isn't.
Or they canceled the deal with ipecac... buzz proofs being the smart business guy... ipecac already proved several times they are too dumb to make vinyl without any fault.
And amrep proofed they are smart enough to also produce cheapy cds and factory editions. So if I were melvins.... easy decision.
Quote from: vince furnier on July 28, 2022, 08:18:22 AM
infinitely better album title than the last one.
???
You referring to Five Legged Dog? I thought that wasn't too bad myself. Unless you mean Lord Of The Flies. I wonder what the cover art will be like.
Quote from: Bigval on July 28, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
I think the standard is something like 8 songs and/or 30 minutes in length officially constitutes an album.
I'm thinking of this album like another Lysol in a way. 6 tracks, a bit shorter and put out on AmRep.
Quote from: buddy holiday on July 28, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
Or they canceled the deal with ipecac...
I have a feeling that we will still see this on Ipecac at some point. Either exactly the same as it is listed here or as part of a larger whole or even like they did with the Electroretard + Bull & Bees release.
Quote from: buddy holiday on July 28, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
Or they canceled the deal with ipecac... buzz proofs being the smart business guy... ipecac already proved several times they are too dumb to make vinyl without any fault.
And amrep proofed they are smart enough to also produce cheapy cds and factory editions. So if I were melvins.... easy decision.
That wouldn't be a smart decision if you take the worldwide distribution aspect into account.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on July 28, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
That wouldn't be a smart decision if you take the worldwide distribution aspect into account.
That's what i've been thinking too. Only a handful of fans are going to be able to purchase these Haze vinyl copies. I can still see them wanting to release this more traditionally. I guess they like the idea of having it ready to sell it on the Five Legged Tour too. Previously we are used to AmRep 7", 10" or CD EP's prior to a new Ipecac release. Perhaps this is the new thing - a new 12" on AmRep followed by the "proper" release later.
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Quote from: vince furnier on July 28, 2022, 08:18:22 AM
infinitely better album title than the last one.
???
You referring to Five Legged Dog? I thought that wasn't too bad myself. Unless you mean Lord Of The Flies. I wonder what the cover art will be like.
Working With God. those other ones aren't full albums of new material.
It's a little confusing reading Haze's post about this release. Are the special edition and the regular one both coming out on AmRep? Or is this alluding to an Ipecac one? After all he mentions stores but i think we all know AmRep are not going to be sending copies to any stores. That seems possible but then Ipecac usually only announce a new release about 3 months before it's release date. Unless he got the dates mixed up, late August seems entirely improbable with Ipecac.
Pinkus Abortion came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Granted Ipecac was 2x 10" but it did.
Buzz's first acoustic came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Yes the Amrep was 3 separate 10" but it also did.
Haze says Fancy Art Editon and factory to hit the streets later. That could be either Amrep or Ipecac. It also seems that all stuff in their later releases has an "Art Edition" and a regular edition usually released by Ipecac. Haze has already gone back on most reissues to do art editions on those for people who want all variants. I also would not see the Melvins leave Ipecac anytime soon. Regardless of what you think of their pressings. It gets the hard copies out to the masses
Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 03:05:04 PM
Pinkus Abortion came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Granted Ipecac was 2x 10" but it did.
Buzz's first acoustic came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Yes the Amrep was 3 separate 10" but it also did.
Good point. I had forgot about those. Both with the same record title too. I hope this new one still gets the Ipecac treatment. As much as i understand why they do it, it always bugs me with all these difficult to get AmRep EP's and such that contain material that never gets a wider release.
I would look at it like this
If it's mentioned as an album, it will get a major release. So Ipecac. Haze Will more than likely do an Art edition or Amrep will release some form of an ep that has 2 or more tracks, and 2 exclusive.
If it's mentioned as a Amrep single, or Ep and there is some form of a cheapie CD, then it will be Amrep only.
Albums are what the majority want, so that will always be made available. These other things that Amrep does, is for a smaller market.
By the way, an album has to be 31minutes or longer. Regardless of the number of tracks. It's time. Slayers Reign in Blood is 29. That's why 2 minutes of Rain was added to the end. The original promo had it on both sides of the tape.
Yes Close to the Edge has 3 songs on it. 37ish minutes. Still an album.
Fantomas Delirium Cordia 1 song at 74ish minutes. Still an album.
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 28, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 03:05:04 PM
Pinkus Abortion came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Granted Ipecac was 2x 10" but it did.
Buzz's first acoustic came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Yes the Amrep was 3 separate 10" but it also did.
Good point. I had forgot about those. Both with the same record title too. I hope this new one still gets the Ipecac treatment. As much as i understand why they do it, it always bugs me with all these difficult to get AmRep EP's and such that contain material that never gets a wider release.
My main doubt here is about the CD, from what Haze posted I understood that this is not a special release with less songs than the Ipecac release, so I guess there won't be an AmRep cheapie CD of this after all.
Well, whatever fuckin' happens, this is awesome news! Cheers all :cheers:
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Quote from: ))))(((( on July 28, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 03:05:04 PM
Pinkus Abortion came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Granted Ipecac was 2x 10" but it did.
Buzz's first acoustic came out on both Amrep and Ipecac. Yes the Amrep was 3 separate 10" but it also did.
Good point. I had forgot about those. Both with the same record title too. I hope this new one still gets the Ipecac treatment. As much as i understand why they do it, it always bugs me with all these difficult to get AmRep EP's and such that contain material that never gets a wider release.
My main doubt here is about the CD, from what Haze posted I understood that this is not a special release with less songs than the Ipecac release, so I guess there won't be an AmRep cheapie CD of this after all.
What I was trying to say. The fact that there is no Cheapie CD, and Haze said new LP, says to me that it will be an Ipecac released album. What's the special about it is his art. Get both or just get the normal edition on preferred format.
I also noticed that no songs from the Lord of the Flies are present. That must be a stand-alone EP possibly
Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 07:35:30 PM
I also noticed that no songs from the Lord of the Flies are present. That must be a stand-alone EP possibly
Never Say You're Sorry ?
no apology required..... :D
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Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 07:35:30 PM
I also noticed that no songs from the Lord of the Flies are present. That must be a stand-alone EP possibly
Never Say You're Sorry ?
no apology required..... :D
Receiver state
I'm a firm believer that the artist determines what is an Album or EP and not the listener. There's too many bizarre examples I could pick at that haven't been mentioned already.
That said, I'm down for a Lysol-length Melvins album in 2022 as long as it's packed in with goodness. All killer, no filler as they say.
Quote from: CoryCory on July 29, 2022, 12:51:46 AM
I'm a firm believer that the artist determines what is an Album or EP and not the listener. There's too many bizarre examples I could pick at that haven't been mentioned already.
I disagree there have been too many dodgy incidents over the years with bands/artists trying to claim EP's as albums (ala NIN). They're not. Another issue is that for charting purposes EP's are counted as singles which is why a lot of bands/artists try to claim them as albums. The industry standard for what qualifies as an album in the US is 30 minutes and in the UK it's 25 minutes.
QuoteIn the United States, The Recording Academy's rules for Grammy Awards state that an album must comprise a minimum total playing time of 15 minutes with at least five distinct tracks or a minimum total playing time of 30 minutes with no minimum track requirement.[14] In the United Kingdom, the criteria for the UK Albums Chart is that a recording counts as an "album" if it either has more than four tracks or lasts more than 25 minutes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album
Quote from: #2 Pencil on July 28, 2022, 07:35:30 PM
What I was trying to say. The fact that there is no Cheapie CD, and Haze said new LP, says to me that it will be an Ipecac released album.
Very true. If it does come out on Ipecac, it is such a weird move that Haze is the one to officially break the news of it's existence! They have never done that before. It will be odd if in a few weeks time or something Ipecac suddenly announce it too.
I'm not right up on the vinyl stuff but don't Ipecac have 'first rights' on Melvins album vinyl releases which would again point to this being an EP? I remember a lot of people on here complaining about Ipecac's vinyl releases of Melvins albums and Amrep have done some too but I think they've always been re-issues of the Ipecac ones.
Quote from: Bigval on July 29, 2022, 05:18:34 AM
I'm not right up on the vinyl stuff but don't Ipecac have 'first rights' on Melvins album vinyl releases which would again point to this being an EP?
It's most definitely NOT an EP. At least in duration anyway. We know how long 'Never Say...' and 'Receiver...' are and just looking at the grooves on the vinyl you can see the length of the other tracks by comparison. Mr Dog still looks like 10/11 minutes in line with the live version. Then the other three unknown tracks on side B all look to be in the 4-6 minute mark. So i'd say it's quite clear that this will be around the fairly standard 35 minute duration that we tend to see from Melvins.
Super sleuth!
Chris Mars x Haze' lino-prints and silk-screen prints are up at shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new (http://shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new)
My take is that this will be the "fancy art" Haze was talking about. Now that others have noticed 2 of the songs already exist on an EP, I'd also say that Ipecec will have its own art like the Pinkus Abortion did.
Also in regards to Haze mentioning first about the release, I'm sure the Pinkus one was the same and Ipecec was more on promoting a Patton release at the time. Possibly Dead Cross at that time also, I can't remember. Or I might even have the Melvins release wrong. I do remember however, there was a Melvins album coming out, but they plugged the Patton release more on their site.
The only thing that has me doubting is the time frame. In ALL the recent Melvins albums they have been announced almost exactly 3 months before they came out. Even the new Dead Cross one has been too. To see Ipecac not even mention Bad Mood Rising yet and for it to come out in just 4 weeks or so seems totally implausible. Maybe they were going to announce it in August and Haze fucked up by mentioning it.
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 31, 2022, 07:45:50 PM
The only thing that has me doubting is the time frame. In ALL the recent Melvins albums they have been announced almost exactly 3 months before they came out. Even the new Dead Cross one has been too. To see Ipecac not even mention Bad Mood Rising yet and for it to come out in just 4 weeks or so seems totally implausible. Maybe they were going to announce it in August and Haze fucked up by mentioning it.
I went back and seen their next tour is in early September so the album would make it in time for that if it does drop later next month. There's also the possibility the album could drop later and copies available on tour before the proposed release date. I've seen that happen with a few bands in the past.
Definitely would be a new spin on old tricks and give the new album a more personal feel if you got it earlier than trying to order from Ipecac or whereever.
Upcoming tour like you said makes sense. But also take into account pressing delay issues. Also Melvins prob wanted to make sure they had enough Amrep pressed discs from plant for
1. What Haze wants to release
2. Enough left over discs for letterpress
Ipecac press release could be off the mark and Patton back with a release is a big deal for them.
Melvins stock may be delayed somewhere and not ready as early as Haze dropped. I'm sure it will be announced but could even be after Hazes stuff. They maybe wanting to allow Haze to market his gear first 🤷♂️
Art prints up for sale now at Shoxop!!
Quote from: GiveMe45 on August 01, 2022, 05:41:10 PM
Art prints up for sale now at Shoxop!!
Even though i know it's wrong, as a Sonic Youth fan i still can't help but keep thinking of this album as Bad MOON Rising, so to see the same typo error on the site is rather humorous.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 01, 2022, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on August 01, 2022, 05:41:10 PM
Art prints up for sale now at Shoxop!!
Even though i know it's wrong, as a Sonic Youth fan i still can't help but keep thinking of this album as Bad MOON Rising, so to see the same typo error on the site is rather humorous.
I have the same problem, I keep calling it "Bad MooN Rising" :lol:
I wonder if cheapy CDs and limited vinyl will be put up at the same time? The CD is a no-brainer. Not splurging on limited vinyl, plus I don't play the "Wait online hoping I can complete a purchase before it sells out" game. If I really like the tunes, I would consider a factory version LP. I wonder if AmRep will bother to put it out as a larger pressing factory version, if months later Ipecac were also to put out widespread vinyl. Seems like they wouldn't want to compete. AmRep the limited, Ipecac the standard vinyl?
We don't get to see the bears, but it doesn't seem like the two labels cannibalize each other terribly. I think the people buying AmRep either always buy everything Melvins or only buy AmRep.
*'bears' was autocorrect from 'numbers' but I liked it
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 03, 2022, 09:10:37 PM
We don't get to see the bears, but it doesn't seem like the two labels cannibalize each other terribly. I think the people buying AmRep either always buy everything Melvins or only buy AmRep.
We get to see the AmRep bears: we know how many records are manufactured and we know that 100% are sold. In about a week. What every manufacturer wants.
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Looks like it might be coming out early September! Dylan Carlson on the first track.
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
A better cover art from Haze than i expected too! Although i would still have liked to have seen what Mackie would have offered up.
surprised to see a poster tube from Shoxop today. guess i didn't order a slab of vinyl sunday, eh? :facepalm: 8-[ :lol:
QuoteSix brand new songs! The best part about a new Melvins album is that you're never quite sure what you're going to get. That's the genius of these guys! With Bad Mood Rising it's a tuned down rock and roll nightmare. BIG riffs and scary vocals. The album starts with ''Mr Dog is Totally Right'' which clocks in at over 12 minutes. This song also features guest guitarist Dylan Carlson from the world famous band Earth. What a treat!! From there it goes into ''Never Say You're Sorry''. It sounds like the way a big mean dog walks. Great fun! The rest of the album rounds out nicely. ''Hammering'' might be one of the catchiest songs the Melvins have ever written.
Just the blurb from Rough Trade page.
a skull on the cover?? i can't believe it
Quote from: black stallion on August 05, 2022, 01:01:48 AM
a skull on the cover?? i can't believe it
Yeah, i think we all knew it would most likely feature again. It's the same skull design that was on the Bad Mood Rising t-shirts they sold on the last tour too.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 04, 2022, 11:03:10 PM
''Hammering'' might be one of the catchiest songs the Melvins have ever written.
Makes me wonder what is currently the most catchy Melvins song. 'Maybe I Am Amused' from Basses Loaded perhaps?
anyway, i like this cover
I had a dream last night the album was 29 minutes and that brought me joy.
Someone also told me it was too short and I said "so listen to it twice."
Quote from: vince furnier on August 04, 2022, 08:01:55 PM
surprised to see a poster tube from Shoxop today. guess i didn't order a slab of vinyl sunday, eh? :facepalm: 8-[ :lol:
What did you think the $400 version was?
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Quote from: vince furnier on August 04, 2022, 08:01:55 PM
surprised to see a poster tube from Shoxop today. guess i didn't order a slab of vinyl sunday, eh? :facepalm: 8-[ :lol:
What did you think the $400 version was?
mine was $60. i tend to ignore anything that says $400 thinking it's a set with every color which i don't want or need. :lol:
Looks like mine is out for delivery today. I was expecting a poster tube so maybe I'll be surprised by some vinyl.....
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2022, 02:12:36 AM
Makes me wonder what is currently the most catchy Melvins song. 'Maybe I Am Amused' from Basses Loaded perhaps?
I'll be holding this claim up against "Black Bock"
"I slit the throat of a billy goat and let it bleed..."
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 04, 2022, 07:10:31 PM
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Looks like it might be coming out early September! Dylan Carlson on the first track.
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
A better cover art from Haze than i expected too! Although i would still have liked to have seen what Mackie would have offered up.
That looks like Mackie artwork to me.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on August 05, 2022, 12:42:16 PM
That looks like Mackie artwork to me.
Funny you should say that. I thought it too. In fact the more i look at it the more im convinced it is one of hers. It's a little rougher than some of her recent covers but that exact same Working With God font, the inclusion of playful circles and the colour scheme all suggest Mackie.
Additionally, i wonder how Dylan Carlson will fit into the 'Mr Dog...' track. Going by the live performances, it really isn't the kind of track that i expected from a Melvins + Dylan song. Probably a bit quicker and more rocking than i usually associate with Dylan's playing.
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Quote from: ))))(((( on August 04, 2022, 07:10:31 PM
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Looks like it might be coming out early September! Dylan Carlson on the first track.
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
A better cover art from Haze than i expected too! Although i would still have liked to have seen what Mackie would have offered up.
That looks like Mackie artwork to me.
+1
will this be available in Europe at a decent price?
5 70s rock style songs with hardcore influence and a 20 minute drone piece to end it. Calling it now
Quote from: hemispheres on August 07, 2022, 07:46:24 PM
5 70s rock style songs with hardcore influence and a 20 minute drone piece to end it. Calling it now
Drone piece? Those days are long gone.
Hmm. Ok. 20 minute ambient noise?
Just when I think I know what the Melvins are going to do next, I'm usually wrong / surprised. If we're making predictions, I would guess prob NOT an ambient noise piece included here. Based on the track lengths and fewer songs, I'm thinking something like the Hot Fish EP. Long, heavy, repetitive sluuuudge.
Quote from: vince furnier on August 05, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
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Quote from: ))))(((( on August 04, 2022, 07:10:31 PM
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Looks like it might be coming out early September! Dylan Carlson on the first track.
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
A better cover art from Haze than i expected too! Although i would still have liked to have seen what Mackie would have offered up.
That looks like Mackie artwork to me.
+1
The skull is Mackie and Buzz from the Austin art show a few years back. I have the artwork hanging in my "gallery" :lol:.
Here it is in COVID Live from the Tribute III:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m06Rh7PhsUQ
Right at the beginning you can see it.
Quote from: the bloat on August 07, 2022, 10:55:24 PM
I'm thinking something like the Hot Fish EP. Long, heavy, repetitive sluuuudge.
I don't think it will be that sludgy. I mean the Rough Trade site says 'Hammering' is one of their catchiest songs. I'm expecting a fairly regular contemporary Melvins album. One that fits quite neatly into what they have produced the last 10 years or so.
Quote from: GrimReaper on August 07, 2022, 11:10:31 PM
The skull is Mackie and Buzz from the Austin art show a few years back.
Ah yes. Thanks for mentioning. I wouldn't have expected them to recycle an image in that way. Even though i do kinda like this cover, i do still find it a bit disappointing. To think of some of the cool things that Mackie COULD have done interpreting the title, it seems a little lazy to just go back down the skull route once again.
From Facebook:
The Mars/HAZE XXL collaboration art that adorns this release of the newest full Melvin's LP 'Bad Mood Rising' ready for Sunday high noon central time. Releasing Blood Orange edition edition and sets. The other two editions will go online next Sunday. Factory edition vinyl & CDs with amazing Mackie art, hot on the heels of this version!
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Woo! These are 😍
I still don't understand why this is solely going the AmRep route. A lot of fans are not going to be able to get their hands on this release. I hope this will not become the new norm for the band with their albums. Also, going by the description, is there no digital release of the record?
i started worrying, then i saw a skull is on the back
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 14, 2022, 06:18:02 AM
I still don't understand why this is solely going the AmRep route. A lot of fans are not going to be able to get their hands on this release. I hope this will not become the new norm for the band with their albums. Also, going by the description, is there no digital release of the record?
there's going to be a factory edition, as well as a cd.
Snagged a copy \:D/
Got That Set !!!
:excited::banana::excited::ohsnap::excited::banana::excited::ohsnap::excited::banana::excited::ohsnap::excited::banana::excited:
Everything's sold out, no surprise.
Do you guys think the "factory edition" vinyl and CD versions will only be available via Shopox?? It seems unlikely right? I'm asking that because i'm hoping to be able to get one on Amazon or something. Also im wondering how long this will be "in print" for. I can't see an AmRep release being around for as long as Ipecac ones are. The whole set up for this bewilders me.
Cd w mackie art prob the same as the new tee at the last round of shows
I love haze's work but i do not like the art for the haze edition of bad mood
Quote from: laptop sorcery on August 15, 2022, 01:44:16 AM
Cd w mackie art prob the same art as the new tee at the last round of shows
Yes it's the same skull design. It's this!
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Quote from: Colonel Cheese on August 15, 2022, 08:45:22 AM
I love haze's work but i do not like the art for the haze edition of bad mood
Well it's Haze and Chris Mars but i generally agree. I do think it's better than many Haze covers, but still i much prefer Mackie's work. Each to their own of course, but for me the colour schemes he uses never gel very well in the final image. He's obviously skilled as a print-maker and drawer but his work does tend to have something of an "incomplete" feel to it.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 15, 2022, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on August 15, 2022, 08:45:22 AM
I love haze's work but i do not like the art for the haze edition of bad mood
Well it's Haze and Chris Mars but i generally agree. I do think it's better than many Haze covers, but still i much prefer Mackie's work. Each to their own of course, but for me the colour schemes he uses never gel very well in the final image. He's obviously skilled as a print-maker and drawer but his work does tend to have something of an "incomplete" feel to it.
The back with the skull is cool. It's a skull so that's just a given, duh!
Quote from: black stallion on August 14, 2022, 06:45:49 AM
i started worrying, then i saw a skull is on the back
Similar to this.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 27, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
I know it doesn't matter. It REALLY doesn't, but i can't help but keep wondering which is the correct title.
Good Night Sweetheart
Good Night Sweet Heart
Goodnight Sweet Heart
Goodnight Sweetheart
After seeing two slightly different song titles i can't decide if it's...
Mister Dog Is Totally Right
or
Mr. Dog Is Totally Right
The Haze one is the former and the Mackie one appears to be the latter. Such things are utterly inconsequential for most folk but for me it's highly infuriating! I like clarity and uniformity.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on July 28, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on July 28, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
Or they canceled the deal with ipecac... buzz proofs being the smart business guy... ipecac already proved several times they are too dumb to make vinyl without any fault.
And amrep proofed they are smart enough to also produce cheapy cds and factory editions. So if I were melvins.... easy decision.
That wouldn't be a smart decision if you take the worldwide distribution aspect into account.
Ipecac is one of the best labels ever. There would be no reason to leave unless they got a deal they just couldn't refuse.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on July 28, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on July 28, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
Or they canceled the deal with ipecac... buzz proofs being the smart business guy... ipecac already proved several times they are too dumb to make vinyl without any fault.
And amrep proofed they are smart enough to also produce cheapy cds and factory editions. So if I were melvins.... easy decision.
That wouldn't be a smart decision if you take the worldwide distribution aspect into account.
Ipecac is one of the best labels ever. There would be no reason to leave unless they got a deal they just couldn't refuse.
I agree, i like the back but not the front.
what's the release date? i keep seeing 'august' but no actual date
Quote from: Nizamark on August 16, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
what's the release date? i keep seeing 'august' but no actual date
Well there is 3 of these Haze editions. The first came out on Sunday 14th and the other two this Sunday 21st. The regular Mackie version vinyl and CD's seem to have the release date of 9th September according to a few different online retailers. That's all we know so far. Overall i think the communication aspect to all this hasn't been too effective in informing fans or in being clear and concise.
Just got my copy already :shock:
Quote from: Jozzy on August 17, 2022, 02:09:17 PM
Just got my copy already
Damn! I wondered how quick people would receive them in the States! Give us some details and your opinion on the record.
Talk about understatements... would've been nice to have at least known about this before now.
Too bad I'm not glued to a computer, I guess.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 16, 2022, 02:23:33 PM
Quote from: Nizamark on August 16, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
what's the release date? i keep seeing 'august' but no actual date
Well there is 3 of these Haze editions. The first came out on Sunday 14th and the other two this Sunday 21st. The regular Mackie version vinyl and CD's seem to have the release date of 9th September according to a few different online retailers. That's all we know so far. Overall i think the communication aspect to all this hasn't been too effective in informing fans or in being clear and concise.
I have a orange and green copy for trade. If you are near Portland and have something to swap, let me know.
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any chance someone talking about the music ?
Quote from: black stallion on August 19, 2022, 01:45:27 AM
any chance someone talking about the music ?
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This is one hell of a sloppy album rollout
The bad mood rising was the shoxop orders we missed along the way.
Also, hot take: I dig this whole super limited deal, actually. It's almost like a reverse of an album getting leaked on the net or I'd even compare it to a Magic pre-release. Getting something early that so few have...
Well we've heard about half the album already. You can find my comments on the two tracks on the Lord of the Flies release thread. It's nice to have a return to heavy Amazonian riffage. The production still sounds like late Melvins/Toshi work. Mr. Dog has me very excited, but also puzzled. I've broken with my own tradition and watched some live vids of them performing and it still sounds like multiple unrelated songs. But I guess "Halo of Flies" is that way, too, or that one from Hold It In with the accordion. I don't expect Dylan to really play a huge role in it. Either it's a long solo in the middle or just rhythm play-along. But I don't really know Earth.
I don't suppose anyone got their vinyl yet?
I'm also rather excited for this atypical album release.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 19, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
I don't suppose anyone got their vinyl yet?
I'm also rather excited for this atypical album release.
Haven't even received a tracking number yet. That said, I expect most should have them by next week.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 19, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
I don't expect Dylan to really play a huge role in it. Either it's a long solo in the middle or just rhythm play-along. But I don't really know Earth.
I've listened to the live version so much i'm now used to it like that so can't even begin to imagine where or how Dylan could fit in. Although i suspect you may be right - that it won't be a huge contribution. It's funny that after a long time without long Melvins songs, they suddenly put out a new one. That could be some of Dylan's influence there.
from Melvins official on fb
"Our new LP 'Bad Mood Rising' is racing towards release in Sept. (exact date will be posted here soon). In the meantime there's some limited edition art versions of the LP that are going to be available on Sunday (Aug 21). HAZE XXL collaborated with the ASTOUNDING Chris Mars for the cover art. Seriously look up Chris' art here on FB if you're not familiar, it'll be a feast for your eyeballs to say the least (link below).
Mackie has whipped up some great art for the regular release version, which will be available to stores and mail-order in both LP & CD! We'll be unveiling the Mackie art soon.
There's a small run of fine art silk screens and linocut block prints of this art available over at shoxop, NOT to be confused with the LP VINYL release. Yeah we know, expecting anyone online to have read this far, well odds of that happening aren't good but hey we tried to warn you before you ordered the wrong thing dummy."
Quote from: vince furnier on August 20, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
We'll be unveiling the Mackie art soon.
Obviously they want to let the Haze versions get some attention first and not bombard everyone with everything at once. Yet i wonder why they are being so coy about Mackie's art and the release date. Both of which we already have seen anyway.
Quote from: vince furnier on August 20, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
Mackie has whipped up some great art for the regular release version, which will be available to stores and mail-order in both LP & CD! We'll be unveiling the Mackie art soon.
I don't think the limited stuff AmRep does gets released in stores so that all but confirms an Ipecac or another mainstream label release is happening.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 20, 2022, 11:27:50 AM
Obviously they want to let the Haze versions get some attention first and not bombard everyone with everything at once. Yet i wonder why they are being so coy about Mackie's art and the release date. Both of which we already have seen anyway.
Perhaps the limited AmRep stuff hasn't been selling as well lately this is one way to give it a big push, instead of simultaneous release with the Ipecac mainstream release, give the market the AmRep stuff first for the diehards and those curious and then down the track pump the mainstream release out into the public.
I have mine. I am not sure what everyone is expecting from novice reviewers? It sounds like the Melvins. It's good. One of the songs is reminiscent of a song from Pigs of the Roman empire. I would say it is my more favorite Steven releases, who I am not a huge fan of. There? You guys happy? Probably not.
And stop direct messaging me to upload the album to a torrent site. I will not do that. You will have to wait until the release date and steal it from the band via Apple or Spotify where they basically don't pay them at all. Either way, I will not partake in ripping off my favorite band. Have a great night, folks.
Quote from: Jozzy on August 20, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
And stop direct messaging me to upload the album to a torrent site. I will not do that. You will have to wait until the release date and steal it from the band via Apple or Spotify where they basically don't pay them at all. Either way, I will not partake in ripping off my favorite band. Have a great night, folks.
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I only wanted to hear your thoughts on the album. We're all fans here so i think it is quite normal for people to ask questions or for someone's opinion if someone gets a copy first before everyone else here. Plus don't worry i'll be buying it when it is available regardless.
getting a question about the new Melvins album on the Melvins forum? that's totally crazy!!
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 21, 2022, 07:33:41 AM
Quote from: Jozzy on August 20, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
And stop direct messaging me to upload the album to a torrent site. I will not do that. You will have to wait until the release date and steal it from the band via Apple or Spotify where they basically don't pay them at all. Either way, I will not partake in ripping off my favorite band. Have a great night, folks.
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I only wanted to hear your thoughts on the album. :( We're all fans here so i think it is quite normal for people to ask questions or for someone's opinion if someone gets a copy first before everyone else here. Plus don't worry i'll be buying it when it is available regardless.
No it wasn't directed at you at all. You're good Ian!
Quote from: Jozzy on August 20, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
And stop direct messaging me to upload the album to a torrent site. I will not do that. You will have to wait until the release date and steal it from the band via Apple or Spotify where they basically don't pay them at all. Either way, I will not partake in ripping off my favorite band. Have a great night, folks.
that's slimy. name and shame! :twisted:
Quote from: Bigval on August 20, 2022, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 20, 2022, 11:27:50 AM
Obviously they want to let the Haze versions get some attention first and not bombard everyone with everything at once. Yet i wonder why they are being so coy about Mackie's art and the release date. Both of which we already have seen anyway.
Perhaps the limited AmRep stuff hasn't been selling as well lately this is one way to give it a big push, instead of simultaneous release with the Ipecac mainstream release, give the market the AmRep stuff first for the diehards and those curious and then down the track pump the mainstream release out into the public.
Not selling as well??? Let's see how long it takes for the drop today to sell out. There are people still bitching from missing out last week. With the exception of some amrep factory versions and the king Dunn 10", it all sells out in mins. 600 copies of bad mood rising gone in a couple of mins I bet, at $70 a pop at that. (minus whatever they hold back and possibly keep for tour) I wish it wasn't that way, I would have a lot less anxiety on sundays if it weren't true 😂
i'll never understand the set of 3 different colored (not coloured) vinyl. that is fukt in my honest opinion. no offense intended. :lol:
Yeah, that's weird to me as well.
It's no wonder they sell out so fast, if they're selling three at a time.
Being a fan first, and a collector second, when I want to buy a record, I really only need one copy - the one I'm going to play.
Then again, who cares what I think about it?
It obviously works for the accounting dept.
And do I really want to put my day on hold so I can buy a record at a specific time?
I guess if it works, great - if not, I'll just buy a flipped copy off one of the kids glued to their phone, or whatever, as with most of the Melvins stuff I've picked up in recent years.
I'd actually be happy to put the extra cash into the band/label's pockets instead of some flipper, but it's set up the way it is, and it doesn't seem likely any of us whining is gonna change anything.
You know, fuck it - it's Sunday, and I'd really rather head off to the pub with the missus for brunch and Bloody Marys, instead of staring at a goddam computer screen. Cheers, y'all!
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Quote from: vince furnier on August 21, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
i'll never understand the set of 3 different colored (not coloured) vinyl. that is fukt in my honest opinion. no offense intended. :lol:
there were more copies of the blood orange variant that went up and tried for one but gone then tried for a moldy mint and was able to snag one of those. Anyone else try for the blood orange and get denied
Quote from: laptop sorcery on August 21, 2022, 12:07:02 PM
there were more copies of the blood orange variant that went up and tried for one but gone then tried for a moldy mint and was able to snag one of those. Anyone else try for the blood orange and get denied
just did. thanks! :cheers:
I completely spaced that these were going up today..
I remembered at 20 min after they did and was immediately pissed assuming I had missed out.
Checked anyway and lo and behold they were still available :shock:
Snagged the one I wanted
Guess it was my lucky day!
\:D/
Got a blue one
Quote from: black stallion on August 21, 2022, 07:59:17 AM
getting a question about the new Melvins album on the Melvins forum? that's totally crazy!!
:lol: :lol:
well looks like they're all gone now :D
Quote from: Bigval on August 20, 2022, 08:20:33 PM
Perhaps the limited AmRep stuff hasn't been selling as well lately this is one way to give it a big push, instead of simultaneous release with the Ipecac mainstream release, give the market the AmRep stuff first for the diehards and those curious and then down the track pump the mainstream release out into the public.
I'd love to hear (although suspect we won't) why it was done this way this time around. I doubt it was due to the limited releases selling poorly though. As we have seen, they all seem to go easily within a few hours every single time. I don't expect that to change any time soon. If at all.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on August 21, 2022, 10:25:33 AM
600 copies of bad mood rising gone in a couple of mins I bet
Is that how many they had available? I didn't read how many there were but i've always been curious to know how many they sell. With these things always being sold out so quickly, it makes me wonder why they don't make more. I doubt it would be much of a gamble to add another 50 or possibly a few hundred extra maybe.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 21, 2022, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: Bigval on August 20, 2022, 08:20:33 PM
Perhaps the limited AmRep stuff hasn't been selling as well lately this is one way to give it a big push, instead of simultaneous release with the Ipecac mainstream release, give the market the AmRep stuff first for the diehards and those curious and then down the track pump the mainstream release out into the public.
I'd love to hear (although suspect we won't) why it was done this way this time around. I doubt it was due to the limited releases selling poorly though. As we have seen, they all seem to go easily within a few hours every single time. I don't expect that to change any time soon. If at all.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on August 21, 2022, 10:25:33 AM
600 copies of bad mood rising gone in a couple of mins I bet
Is that how many they had available? I didn't read how many there were but i've always been curious to know how many they sell. With these things always being sold out so quickly, it makes me wonder why they don't make more. I doubt it would be much of a gamble to add another 50 or possibly a few hundred extra maybe.
Each one was 200 copies I believe. They lasted longer than I thought they would to be honest. About 45 mins. Which these were a little higher than normal, maybe bc of the other artist being involved.
Was way too busy with my parents 50th anniversary this weekend so didn't even know about this. Hopefully a factory version coming later
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 21, 2022, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: Bigval on August 20, 2022, 08:20:33 PM
Perhaps the limited AmRep stuff hasn't been selling as well lately this is one way to give it a big push, instead of simultaneous release with the Ipecac mainstream release, give the market the AmRep stuff first for the diehards and those curious and then down the track pump the mainstream release out into the public.
I'd love to hear (although suspect we won't) why it was done this way this time around. I doubt it was due to the limited releases selling poorly though. As we have seen, they all seem to go easily within a few hours every single time. I don't expect that to change any time soon. If at all.
I stuffed up what I meant to say rather than selling poorly I meant perhaps AmRep is struggling too much now. A lot of small businesses either shut down or are on the precipice since Covid hit so perhaps this is a way to give AmRep a bit more of a clear window rather than usually having to compete with an album's mainstream release.
QuoteIt sounds like the Melvins. It's good. One of the songs is reminiscent of a song from Pigs of the Roman empire. I would say it is my more favorite Steven releases, who I am not a huge fan of.
C'mon, man. Melvins are your favorite band and this is all you can muster? Sounds like you're the only one on the entire board that has listened to it! We're desperate for more info. Where does it rate with some of their newer stuff? Better or worse than AWL&D or PAT?
I must say i do think 'The Receiver And The Empire State' is an unexpected song for the record to close out on. It's very short and feels a bit like a Melvins 1983 song. Not since Lysol have the band really concluded an album with such a short track. When i first heard it on the EP and we were told it featured on the album, i expected it to be placed somewhere in the middle of the record. To see it at the end is a surprise. But then that's what Melvins are all about right?
Quote from: the bloat on August 22, 2022, 12:03:09 AM
QuoteIt sounds like the Melvins. It's good. One of the songs is reminiscent of a song from Pigs of the Roman empire. I would say it is my more favorite Steven releases, who I am not a huge fan of.
C'mon, man. Melvins are your favorite band and this is all you can muster? Sounds like you're the only one on the entire board that has listened to it! We're desperate for more info. Where does it rate with some of their newer stuff? Better or worse than AWL&D or PAT?
bloat, don't you think you're asking a bit too much? :)
Is this album ever going to come out? Like, EVER???
Imagine if Haze and the band were trolling us all again like they did with that Melvins all bass 'Thud' album April Fools joke!
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 29, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
Is this album ever going to come out? Like, EVER???
Imagine if Haze and the band were trolling us all again like they did with that Melvins all bass 'Thud' album April Fools joke!
ahah, that would be crazy
haven't some people bought it yet? the fact that nobody spent a single word about it doesn't help :lol:
Well holy shit! Holy fucking shit!
I played this thing LOUD and it may very well be my favorite Melvins album of the last ten years. You know how playing Lysol feels like listening to 4.5 songs (all of them great?) Well this record does not feel like that. It feels like more songs than Working With God did (at least to me).
There's so much to unpack. The prologue (and epilogue) of "Mr. Dog" is both frightening and lovable. I think it's toms and reversed vocals and maybe something else, but it really sets the tone for the record.
Every tune rocks. There's no major diversions into genres they don't belong in or synthy noodling. There is a track or two on side two that feel a bit like the cheerier parts of Nude With Boots.
While much of it sonically resembles these past Toshi years, especially Melvins 1983 albums, there are also some new choices that feel more like 5 Legged Dog or Buzz's acoustic stuff in that there is space to listen and definition in each instrument.
I didn't notice any awkward lyrics or clunky melodic turns. The songs all pretty much end up somewhere different from where they started, except the two we've already heard on the EP. "Receiver and the Empire State" might be my least favorite track.
Anyway, I'm super excited. I'm really glad I splurged on the initial vinyl release. I'm still new to records, so I probably have nasty azimuth and a crappy preamp, but it still sounded alive and immediate. Though I know I'll buy the CD when it comes available, I'll also be happy to live with my little digitized copy for the car.
I heard some backing vocals that I don't think were Steven's on side 2. Almost sounds ladylike. Elsewhere the harmonizing is good. I like that they didn't lose that element from 5 Legged Dog either. Buzz sings lead throughout, as best I can tell. I certainly don't hear a Steven lead anywhere.
None of these songs would play on the radio, but this is a great record to introduce people to the Melvins. Perhaps the best such new studio album since the BB days.
Ha! This band does not keep fans waiting very long, and I'm grateful for that, but FUCK I've been waiting for this for a loooong time.
great review, thanks!
Thanks for the insight aA!! Funny you say 'Receiver...' is your least favourite track. I have had a feeling it will be mine too - a bit of a weird closer by usual Melvins standards. Anyway let's hope this darn thing is announced VERY soon. I'm thinking possibly tomorrow with a week to go!
Thank you AMAZON!! About damn time someone chimes in! Really looking forward to this.
Man. Hammering is a great damn song.
Still digesting this one, but it is really good.
Yeah this was an enjoyable first listen.
The things that stood out the most to me were the sharing around of vocals and harmonies which worked really well and the sludgy parts having more hooks in them so they don't get so bogged down.
Happened to hear a little snippet of (i think) 'Hammering' on one of the bands Instagram stories. It does indeed sound pretty "catchy" as Haze described it.
yeah, i heard that snippet too. Steven style probably
Tuesday Shoxop
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Orange tour vinyl available from Las Vegas
I love that melvins do all these special and unique releases for all the vinyl heads, just wish they would also release the music on bandcamp or something for those that aren't.
So it's AmRep exclusive? Rad!
Quote from: immoraliste on September 09, 2022, 11:28:57 AM
I love that melvins do all these special and unique releases for all the vinyl heads, just wish they would also release the music on bandcamp or something for those that aren't.
Someone asked on FB and they said it IS coming to streaming. "Not immediately though" was the reply.
Black vinyl:
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
https://www.plaidroomrecords.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=melvins
Also, the Boston and Norwood Newbury Comics stores (it's not on the Newbury Comics website)
Orange vinyl is tour exclusive. Starting from vegas.
Orange black splatter is factory available on shoxop on tuesday.
Black is indie record stores exclusive.
Art editions already out and gone. 3 versions, plus TP.
CDs coming.. likely cheapy CDs...
Digital coming too, sometime....
All AMREP.
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 09, 2022, 02:48:46 PM
CDs coming.. likely cheapy CDs...
Digital coming too, sometime....
Back when Big Business' album 'Battlefields Forever' came out i had really poor, intermittent internet. As a result i kept trying to listen to the album but it kept fucking up and i heard some songs over and over or they kept cutting out. As a result whenever i listen or think about that album now i think about those troubles. The two are tied together in my mind. I have a bad feeling that in time when i think about 'Bad Mood Rising' i will similarly recall the hassle trying to get a copy. The protracted release and my impatience to finally hear it! I hope it will be sooner than later.
QuoteI have a bad feeling that in time when i think about 'Bad Mood Rising' i will similarly recall the hassle trying to get a copy.
Nah, this thing is going to sound like a dick in your ear when you finally hear it. it's gonna unclog any of the bad vibes and fill them with hard fucking rock. Hang in there. You know the boys are doing their best
I just bought a copy from Rainy Day Records in Olympia
http://rainydayolympia.net/new-music/bad-mood-rising-melvins-lp-1303/
Keep feeling like the "eventually" streaming might be like Bulls and Bees where years from now Ipecac is going to bundle it with something else. Just a guess.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 09, 2022, 11:38:26 PM
Keep feeling like the "eventually" streaming might be like Bulls and Bees where years from now Ipecac is going to bundle it with something else. Just a guess.
I've had that thought myself too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens.
i had absolutely no hassle when ordering mine some weeks ago from rough trade...
yep, still there...
https://www.roughtrade.com/us/melvins/bad-moon-rising
From FB:
Quote
Available for mail order TUESDAY (9/13) at shoxop.com 9am (central)
Available at Melvin's shows starting with Las Vegas (9/12)
Available at your favorite shop that deals with Think Indie Distribution
CD's and Streaming available very soon, to be announced.
Did anyone else happen to notice, during the Sunday feeding frenzy for the Cabbage 'N Mash 10", that for about a minute, the orange splatter version of Bad Mood Rising actually showed on the SHOXOP page? The blurb mentioned it was a pre-order, and said they would ship Tuesday. I had just completed a transaction, so seeing it there for a moment caught me like a deer in headlights. I thought about seeing if I could actually purchase it, but when the page refreshed, it was gone.
Takes me about a week to reply to anything on the internet these days, I guess. I blame it on my environment. Wait - - looks like you live in the same region as me, so now I've got no excuse. Um, I went straightaway for the moldy mint, 'cuz it was the least color coordinated, and that appealed to my decaying brain cells. As soon as the transaction was done, the page refreshed, and I saw the blood orange was gone. For a micro-second, I think I panicked in my mouth and wondered if I had made the right choice, but I knew everything was gonna be fine. I only mention this because I was curious why the blood orange was so popular. I mean, it's the latest flavor craze or something. I've been seeing it in Blood Orange CBD sodas, kombucha, cider, and what have you. Is Blood Orange the new Candy Apple Red??
Quote from: laptop sorcery on August 21, 2022, 12:07:02 PM
there were more copies of the blood orange variant that went up and tried for one but gone then tried for a moldy mint and was able to snag one of those. Anyone else try for the blood orange and get denied
Bejeebus. I used to to get paid for writing reviews, and when I read something like this I feel like I should give everyone their money back. I don't think I could do a better job than this, which is why I quoted the whole damn thing. If more music critics wrote stuff this passionately, that waffle waitress in Texas never would have asked Bill Hicks,
"Whatcha reading fer?" Thanks for restoring my faith in words.
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Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 31, 2022, 09:41:35 PM
Well holy shit! Holy fucking shit!
I played this thing LOUD and it may very well be my favorite Melvins album of the last ten years. You know how playing Lysol feels like listening to 4.5 songs (all of them great?) Well this record does not feel like that. It feels like more songs than Working With God did (at least to me).
There's so much to unpack. The prologue (and epilogue) of "Mr. Dog" is both frightening and lovable. I think it's toms and reversed vocals and maybe something else, but it really sets the tone for the record.
Every tune rocks. There's no major diversions into genres they don't belong in or synthy noodling. There is a track or two on side two that feel a bit like the cheerier parts of Nude With Boots.
While much of it sonically resembles these past Toshi years, especially Melvins 1983 albums, there are also some new choices that feel more like 5 Legged Dog or Buzz's acoustic stuff in that there is space to listen and definition in each instrument.
I didn't notice any awkward lyrics or clunky melodic turns. The songs all pretty much end up somewhere different from where they started, except the two we've already heard on the EP. "Receiver and the Empire State" might be my least favorite track.
Anyway, I'm super excited. I'm really glad I splurged on the initial vinyl release. I'm still new to records, so I probably have nasty azimuth and a crappy preamp, but it still sounded alive and immediate. Though I know I'll buy the CD when it comes available, I'll also be happy to live with my little digitized copy for the car.
I heard some backing vocals that I don't think were Steven's on side 2. Almost sounds ladylike. Elsewhere the harmonizing is good. I like that they didn't lose that element from 5 Legged Dog either. Buzz sings lead throughout, as best I can tell. I certainly don't hear a Steven lead anywhere.
None of these songs would play on the radio, but this is a great record to introduce people to the Melvins. Perhaps the best such new studio album since the BB days.
Ha! This band does not keep fans waiting very long, and I'm grateful for that, but FUCK I've been waiting for this for a loooong time.
For those of you that saw the BMR preorder, what was the cost?
When it popped up on Shoxop in that blink and you'll miss it moment I mentioned earlier, the price was $30.
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Quote from: the bloat on September 12, 2022, 09:25:53 AM
For those of you that saw the BMR preorder, what was the cost?
how is it tho? give it to me straight.
Thanks for the kind words, 01
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-factory-edition-mailorder-variant
Splatter up now, 30 bucks.
Got mine! Now... if I could only listen to the damned thing...
\:D/ \:D/
Jeez, early in the morning, innit? It's not even 8am where I live! Okay, okay... :oops:
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 13, 2022, 09:03:41 AM
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-factory-edition-mailorder-variant
Splatter up now, 30 bucks.
I'm kind of loving the anticipation that I'm feeling about hearing this record. It's not immediately available digitally so it's driving me nuts. It feels like when I was waiting to hear Pigs of the Roman Empire for the first time.
It really shows how all of this immediate gratification kills parts of music.
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 13, 2022, 09:03:41 AM
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-factory-edition-mailorder-variant
Splatter up now, 30 bucks.
kudos to amRep; cool to see em handle a reg release seems it's been a while :D
I heard the album a few times. I thought it might be shorter, but it's a decent 40 minutes in duration.
I wouldn't say it is their best since (A)SA as was mentioned here but it's good. It gets a fairly solid 8/10 from me. Also i wouldn't say it is Steven's best one yet (Five Legged Dog is for me!) but to these ears i'd probably place it above Basses Loaded and PAT. Somewhere on par with the Death half of A Walk With Love & Death.
It is so interesting comparing the studio version of 'Mister Dog...' with the live one. I think i prefer the live rendition. It feels more coherent whereas the studio one feels a bit disconnected and made up of sections. I suppose that comes with them playing it more and living with it for a while. Equally i noticed that in this recording they switched one of the lyrics from the live version. I was curious to hear how Dylan Carlson would fit into this song and you can clearly hear his contributions. Although i do feel like they seem a bit jarring at times - like he is playing along to a totally different song than what the band are playing. At 14 minutes one of the longest Melvins tracks of recent times!
Both 'My Discomfort Is Radiant' and 'It Won't Or It Might' feel VERY Melvins. Somewhat reminiscent of previous songs or Melvins riffs but i can't put my finger on which. Both cool songs. The beginning of 'Hammering' sounds like a long lost Rolling Stones song!! You can clearly hear the influence. 'The Receiver And The Empire State' is my least liked track and for me feels a bit weird as a closer. Perhaps this is emphasized further since it is so short compared to the relatively longer songs elsewhere. Ultimately i think the first half of Bad Mood Rising is better than the second half. Mr Dog and Never Say being the best tracks for me.
nice review, thanks
Well, this was fun to see...
looks like i gotta fire up the ol phonograph! :lol: :facepalm:
Quote from: 01001010 on September 14, 2022, 08:29:57 AM
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That's 1101000001010 to you.
https://youtu.be/ftcy5WqW4cU (https://youtu.be/ftcy5WqW4cU)
Aw, man - I just cleaned off my laptop monitor!
I could have just splashed some chili sauce on it and watched the video for the splatter experience!
Quote from: Oscar on September 14, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
https://youtu.be/ftcy5WqW4cU (https://youtu.be/ftcy5WqW4cU)
INDEEEEEED :twisted:
Quote from: jules on September 14, 2022, 11:30:18 AM
That's 1101000001010 to you.
Quote from: 01001010 on September 14, 2022, 08:29:57 AM
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Don't want to check this album before buying a copy of it, problem is ,will it be available in Europe? :? Has anyone from Europe ordered this yet?
Quote from: black stallion on September 14, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
Don't want to check this album before buying a copy of it, problem is ,will it be available in Europe? :? Has anyone from Europe ordered this yet?
Amrep said think indie distribution should have the black vinyl... check the link below... not familiar with italian indie stores, but swiss ones often work with cargo records for example.
I think your milano indie store of choice should be able to preorder.
http://www.thinkindie.com/store-finder
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 14, 2022, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: black stallion on September 14, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
Don't want to check this album before buying a copy of it, problem is ,will it be available in Europe? :? Has anyone from Europe ordered this yet?
Amrep said think indie distribution should have the black vinyl... check the link below... not familiar with italian indie stores, but swiss ones often work with cargo records for example.
I think your milano indie store of choice should be able to preorder.
http://www.thinkindie.com/store-finder
thanks buddy!
I couldn't find anything either so I figured it'd be ok to post the link for the impatient ones. It's all about the tunes after all, despite Youtube's heavy compression.
Also I'm just now noticing that the boys seem to be quite fond of dad joke puns for album titles lately.
Basses Loaded, Five Legged Dog, Tres Cabrones, PAT, Bad Mood Rising...yikes.
The more i hear it, the more i like the idea of the ending of 'My Discomfort Is Radiant' being it's own actual song. I mean it feels like a totally different song anyway and i think it would be nice for it to have it's own title. Even if it is only a minute long.
Quote from: black stallion on September 14, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
Don't want to check this album before buying a copy of it, problem is ,will it be available in Europe?
I'm holding out for the CD. Hopefully.
So glad I got to hear it today via YouTube. I've only listened one time through, but first impression is that this is a super solid release with lots of great things to absorb! I'm thinking about how five legged dog might have helped shape this one. Could this be why we are hearing more vocal harmonies? More melodies?
Got my roughtrade copy last night, spun it.
A solid Melvins release. Challenging, varied rocking material. Great cover/packaging as usual. Side A is slow as fuck!
I like how Side B seems totally different and new. I agree with the poster about the ending of 'my discomfort' being different to the point that it feels like they snuck another song in there. I really loved the Death record and this one seems like a natural spill over/evolution of the sounds from that one in the best ways. I think its going to grow on me quite a bit in the coming days. I disagreed with the poster about the Receiver and the Empire state being his/her least favorite song on the record. I liked it quite a bit and thought it was a perfect ending to the record.
Thanks again Melvins! Love ya
listened last night. great stuff. have to agree with those who say it's the best since Love/ Death.
Quote from: vince furnier on September 15, 2022, 08:18:39 AM
have to agree with those who say it's the best since Love/ Death.
which was the last proper album
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 14, 2022, 02:09:28 PM
The more i hear it, the more i like the idea of the ending of 'My Discomfort Is Radiant' being it's own actual song. I mean it feels like a totally different song anyway and i think it would be nice for it to have it's own title. Even if it is only a minute long.
Yup, I thought the same, it threw me for a loop when I first hear it, talk about a false ending.
Quotewhich was the last proper album
I think some might consider Working with God to be a proper album (which I would agree with).
Quote from: vince furnier on September 15, 2022, 08:18:39 AM
listened last night. great stuff. have to agree with those who say it's the best since Love/ Death.
Damning with faint praise?
Quote from: the bloat on September 15, 2022, 09:17:01 AM
Quotewhich was the last proper album
I think some might consider Working with God to be a proper album (which I would agree with).
yeah sure, i remember some of the songs on WWG being released before as part of some limited edition releases but i might be wrong.
Both BMR and WWG had tracks released on an AmRep EP and cheapy CD prior with about the same lead time. With WWG it was four songs instead of two, but not really a significant difference. They're both new studio albums.
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 15, 2022, 07:53:56 AM
Side A is slow as fuck!
Boy, isn't it. The movement from upbeat to pummelling and back again is a lot of fun.
2 listens in, this really sounds like the current lineup coming into their own.
I agree on the 5LD references, there seem to be a lot of the same dynamics in vocal arrangements and instrumentation (provided this was made after 5LD).
One thing that struck me early were the lyrics. They usually serve more of a rhythmic and melodic purpose than to convey meaning but these, although I wasn't checking for them, feel like they're actually...saying something?
Only gripe I have is that the toothless production doesn't always help the songs as much as it could. I just can't warm up to that Fisher Price snare sound.
Reading the glowing praise i do feel slightly at odds with it. I feel like my initial feeling towards the album was perhaps slightly (ever so slightly) too positive. I think the first three songs are fine but after that i do perceive a step down. I love the rocking opening of 'It Won't Or It Might' but then feel a bit out of sorts about the "emotional" rest of the track. It's a good song of course and classily composed but just not something i love to hear really. 'Hammering' again is decent but the more i hear it the more it feels very throwaway. Nothing that would blow me away. Same goes for 'Receiver...'.
Quote from: black stallion on September 15, 2022, 10:47:06 AM
i remember some of the songs on WWG being released before as part of some limited edition releases but i might be wrong.
No, you're right. It was 'Hot Fish' on the Flipper EP.
if Crover is not drumming i don't consider it as a proper Melvins album [-(
QuoteOne thing that struck me early were the lyrics. They usually serve more of a rhythmic and melodic purpose than to convey meaning but these, although I wasn't checking for them, feel like they're actually...saying something?
haha i am NOT prepared for melvins lyrics that are anything but inscrutable
(i have not heard the album yet)
Quote from: Oscar on September 15, 2022, 11:55:40 AM
One thing that struck me early were the lyrics. They usually serve more of a rhythmic and melodic purpose than to convey meaning but these, although I wasn't checking for them, feel like they're actually...saying something?
I thought something seemed a bit different in the lyrics too. Although i wasn't sure if that was just because it's new and i'm not familiar with the vocals yet. "love birds in a cherry tree".
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 15, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
Reading the glowing praise i do feel slightly at odds with it. I feel like my initial feeling towards the album was perhaps slightly (ever so slightly) too positive. I think the first three songs are fine but after that i do perceive a step down. I love the rocking opening of 'It Won't Or It Might' but then feel a bit out of sorts about the "emotional" rest of the track. It's a good song of course and classily composed but just not something i love to hear really. 'Hammering' again is decent but the more i hear it the more it feels very throwaway. Nothing that would blow me away. Same goes for 'Receiver...'.
I can see where you're coming from. The songs do have that generic aftertaste (generic for Melvins standards) of recent releases that sort of blurs together, making for less standout moments, snaking riffs and emotional curveballs. Some parts feel tacked on but I'm expecting this one to grow on me (that said, recent releases have left my rotation shortly after the initial release which I hope doesn't happen again here).
Then again, imagine sitting on four decades worth of tunes and having to come up with something fresh. The novelty is in the delivery these days and it's cool that they're stretching out vocally (though I'm biased towards the BB era as Jared perfectly compliments Buzz's register).
edit: and though I love the guy to bits, it's high time to work with someone other than Toshi.
Quote from: black stallion on September 15, 2022, 02:08:53 PM
if Crover is not drumming i don't consider it as a proper Melvins album [-(
Not sure if i agree but I do love me some Dale on bass!
So....will this get a plain old wide-release CD? Yes? No? Don't know?
Quote from: blacksanta on September 15, 2022, 05:42:28 PM
So....will this get a plain old wide-release CD? Yes? No? Don't know?
Doubt it, at least the old standard way of making CDs. I think the band, much like Haze, would rather make up a bunch and sell them direct than get a dist. deal and worry about continually moving inventory/product through retail outlets. I would be surprised if 5 yrs from now they're putting out any new music through Ipecac.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 15, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
Reading the glowing praise i do feel slightly at odds with it. I feel like my initial feeling towards the album was perhaps slightly (ever so slightly) too positive. I think the first three songs are fine but after that i do perceive a step down.
That's what I thought too, the first half of the album is quite good but the second half falls away a fair bit. There was one song in particular in the first half that to me sounded like it could've been on HAT I was loving it but the second half of the album my interest started to wane, that stuff is more like recent album filler stuff complete with excruciating guitar tone from Buzz. Definitely an album of two halves for me.
Quote from: blacksanta on September 15, 2022, 05:42:28 PM
So....will this get a plain old wide-release CD? Yes? No? Don't know?
Yes, they already announced that the album will get a proper mainstream release in future.
I've had this on heavy rotation all day today and since I only have access to one long YouTube track, it's sort of taken on a different meaning for me. I just keep replaying it over and over. It's like Lysol, one track bleeding into the next.
It has some really great bits mixed in there that stick in my head. Some of them take me back to the Stag era. I actually prefer the second half to the first. I also think Dylan Carlson's guitar work is welcome on the first track. It's front and center and helps shape the song in unique ways.
I really like these songs. Cant wait for my vinyl to show up
Also, it looks like the factory edition is no longer available at Shoxop. Not sold out... just missing. Hope all is ok
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 15, 2022, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: black stallion on September 15, 2022, 02:08:53 PM
if Crover is not drumming i don't consider it as a proper Melvins album [-(
Not sure if i agree but I do love me some Dale on bass!
yeah,the Melvins 1983 albums are both great
I think i will order this from Rough Trade, has anyone had any experience with them shipping to Europe, is it ok? Should be around 40 dollars including shipping costs
Quote from: black stallion on September 16, 2022, 01:16:48 AM
I think i will order this from Rough Trade, has anyone had any experience with them shipping to Europe, is it ok? Should be around 40 dollars including shipping costs
I've never had issues with them. It's listed on amazon.co.uk (as bad moon rising) so may be worth waiting a bit longer?
I don't know about Rough Trade shipping *to* Europe, but I've ordered from them to the Us, and while their customer service initially seemed to be tripping over themselves via e-mails the last time I dealt with them, it worked out fine in the end. I'd still rather order from them than Amazon, though, just to *not* put any more money in Amazon's over-stuffed pockets. Even by the standards of corporate pigs, Amazon is pretty disgusting.
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Quote from: jules on September 16, 2022, 07:09:06 AM
I've never had issues with them. It's listed on amazon.co.uk (as bad moon rising) so may be worth waiting a bit longer?
Quote from: black stallion on September 16, 2022, 01:16:48 AM
I think i will order this from Rough Trade, has anyone had any experience with them shipping to Europe, is it ok? Should be around 40 dollars including shipping costs
Quote from: the bloat on September 15, 2022, 09:31:47 PM
Also, it looks like the factory edition is no longer available at Shoxop. Not sold out... just missing. Hope all is ok
i ordered a splatter factory on tuesday. Normally by now i would've already gotten a shipping confirmation but as of yet have not. I'll update the info in case it helps anyone on here.
Just adding to this - same here, basically.
The last couple Shoxop purchases arrived in about two days, but this time I also haven't seen a notification yet.
I'm not super-concerned, given that they're generally pretty on top of things, and with a few of these releases back to back, I can see where they might be just a tad backed up. We'll see how it goes, I reckon.
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Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 16, 2022, 07:50:08 AM
Quote from: the bloat on September 15, 2022, 09:31:47 PM
Also, it looks like the factory edition is no longer available at Shoxop. Not sold out... just missing. Hope all is ok
i ordered a splatter factory on tuesday. Normally by now i would've already gotten a shipping confirmation but as of yet have not. I'll update the info in case it helps anyone on here.
Quote from: jules on September 16, 2022, 07:09:06 AM
Quote from: black stallion on September 16, 2022, 01:16:48 AM
I think i will order this from Rough Trade, has anyone had any experience with them shipping to Europe, is it ok? Should be around 40 dollars including shipping costs
I've never had issues with them. It's listed on amazon.co.uk (as bad moon rising) so may be worth waiting a bit longer?
thanks Giulio!
I wonder if they will ever break out any of the other songs for a live performance sometime. I could be totally wrong but i feel like 'My Discomfort...' is the only one i could imagine them playing. Possibly 'Hammering' potentially i suppose too.
Man, they totally go to outer space with mister dog. It is shamanic. It's the good stuff that cures what ails you Or at least cures what ails me.
just placed my order from Roughtrade, ill keep you updated. fun fact on the site it's listed as Bad Moon Rising ah!
Quote from: black stallion on September 17, 2022, 08:20:21 AM
just placed my order from Roughtrade, ill keep you updated. fun fact on the site it's listed as Bad Moon Rising ah!
obligatory pic of CCR dining at Taco Bell! :lol:
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Quote from: vince furnier on September 17, 2022, 08:38:33 AM
Quote from: black stallion on September 17, 2022, 08:20:21 AM
just placed my order from Roughtrade, ill keep you updated. fun fact on the site it's listed as Bad Moon Rising ah!
obligatory pic of CCR dining at Taco Bell! :lol:
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:lol: :lol:
Quote from: 01001010 on September 16, 2022, 07:56:27 AM
Just adding to this - same here, basically.
The last couple Shoxop purchases arrived in about two days, but this time I also haven't seen a notification yet.
I'm not super-concerned, given that they're generally pretty on top of things, and with a few of these releases back to back, I can see where they might be just a tad backed up. We'll see how it goes, I reckon.
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Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 16, 2022, 07:50:08 AM
Quote from: the bloat on September 15, 2022, 09:31:47 PM
Also, it looks like the factory edition is no longer available at Shoxop. Not sold out... just missing. Hope all is ok
i ordered a splatter factory on tuesday. Normally by now i would've already gotten a shipping confirmation but as of yet have not. I'll update the info in case it helps anyone on here.
Got my Shipping Label Created notice yesterday
Got to hear this recently and for sure the A-Side is the highlight, just nineteen minutes of THUD. This might be the best album to feature Steven to date and balances the heavy with the melodic quite nicely. I really dig it.
CD, black and spalttered vinyl editions available
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-cd
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 19, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
CD, black and spalttered vinyl editions available
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-cd
Oh great, so i take it this won't be available anywhere else? I have to get it from Shopox and pay a shipping cost? Unfortunately i have a feeling this is one Melvins album i won't be acquiring. Why can't it just be on Amazon like a normal Melvins CD?
Also, just noticed on the site that they said last year they will not be shipping to the UK for the foreseeable future due to Brexit tax issues. Is that still the case?
Got the factory splatter version in the mail today and listened thru. Pretty cool album. I like the direction they went w/ this. That said I think I'm done ordering AmRep vinyl. For $30, and 12 shipping, how about making the jacket w/ some decent stock cardboard which might prevent the album itself from slight warpage after being shrunkwrapped and shipped?
It's not bad enough to warrant a return, but annoying. I notice it while playing side B, more than A. Also I have my anti-skate dial set all the way up, and I still had to put a quarter on the label to get it not to jump. I have an excellent turntable w/ an Ortofon needle. So that's not the issue.
I was gonna order the CD too, but not for $15 plus shipping. Had I known the vinyl and packaging quality would have some issues, I would have just ordered the CD only.
Well, it's not the Melvins' fault the world economy sucks, but fuck Amazon dot com for all eternity. They're part of the reason things like this are a problem in the first place, by undercutting the costs of indie / mom + pop shops and putting a lot of them out of business. It all sucks, I know. I live in the US, and if that in itself wasn't enough of a problem, every time I buy a record from the UK, the shipping often ends up being as much as the record itself, if not more. Damned if I'm gonna let that stop me from buying records though just because the governments of the world give rich fuckers like Jeff Pezos insane tax breaks and whatnot.The world's always been a shitshow. That's why we have bands like Melvins in the first place, to let us blow off a little steam once in a while, eh?
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 19, 2022, 05:27:50 PMOh great, so i take it this won't be available anywhere else? I have to get it from Shopox and pay a shipping cost? Unfortunately i have a feeling this is one Melvins album i won't be acquiring. Why can't it just be on Amazon like a normal Melvins CD?
Also, just noticed on the site that they said last year they will not be shipping to the UK for the foreseeable future due to Brexit tax issues. Is that still the case?
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 19, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
CD, black and spalttered vinyl editions available
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-cd
" Think Indie Distribution to stock the LP and CD!"
Support independent record stores. Ask a store you like to special order. Fuck bezos. Drama
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 19, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
" Think Indie Distribution to stock the LP and CD!"
Support independent record stores. Ask a store you like to special order. Fuck bezos. Drama
There isn't any independent stores anywhere near where i live. Plus if there were, none would choose to order a single CD from overseas at the import costs for one customer. I don't get the whole Fuck Bezos thing. Sure no one likes Amazon or large corporations but if they stock what you want what's the problem?
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 20, 2022, 02:30:51 AM
I don't get the whole Fuck Bezos thing. Sure no one likes Amazon or large corporations but if they stock what you want what's the problem?
I think the whole Fuck Bezos thing comes from Amazon destroying the competition. Record stores can't compete with Amazon prices so the consumer 9 times out of 10 will go with the cheaper option, therefore further destroying record stores.
Before Napster and all that happened I remember in the late 90's here in Australia we had a big chain store start up and expand everywhere called JB Hi-Fi. Due to their behemoth like purchasing power they undercut all the local record stores by selling their CD's $10 cheaper than them. You could argue the record stores were already gouging us the consumer too much anyway $30 for CD's and $35-$40 for import CD's like John Zorn stuff.
But when JB Hi-Fi started up they didn't sell imports but all their standard CD's were $20 each and the record stores just couldn't compete with that and quickly started going out of business in my city Big Star Records, Verandah Music, Andromeda, Bank Street Records all these stores just disappeared almost overnight. Then only about a year or two after JB had cornered the CD market, Napster and downloads happened and destroyed it all anyway, which obviously would've happened regardless.
Now Amazon on a much bigger global scale has gobbled up not just the CD/Vinyl market but plenty of other markets too. My local JB Hi-Fi has not only stopped selling CD's/Vinyl but earlier this year got rid of all their DVD/Blu-ray/4K sections too and the local Sanity (much smaller version of JB) closed it's doors last month too. They couldn't compete with Amazon's prices either.
it's not just saving money either. i don't have time to go to the record store these days and i know if i did i'd walk out of there with stuff i wasn't even thinking about when i walked in. on Amazon i can buy pants, a walkman cassette deck, a cd and whatever else i need and it's delivered to my house for almost nothing. :lol:
Quote from: Bigval on September 20, 2022, 05:46:30 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 20, 2022, 02:30:51 AM
I don't get the whole Fuck Bezos thing. Sure no one likes Amazon or large corporations but if they stock what you want what's the problem?
I think the whole Fuck Bezos thing comes from Amazon destroying the competition. Record stores can't compete with Amazon prices so the consumer 9 times out of 10 will go with the cheaper option, therefore further destroying record stores.
Before Napster and all that happened I remember in the late 90's here in Australia we had a big chain store start up and expand everywhere called JB Hi-Fi. Due to their behemoth like purchasing power they undercut all the local record stores by selling their CD's $10 cheaper than them. You could argue the record stores were already gouging us the consumer too much anyway $30 for CD's and $35-$40 for import CD's like John Zorn stuff.
But when JB Hi-Fi started up they didn't sell imports but all their standard CD's were $20 each and the record stores just couldn't compete with that and quickly started going out of business in my city Big Star Records, Verandah Music, Andromeda, Bank Street Records all these stores just disappeared almost overnight. Then only about a year or two after JB had cornered the CD market, Napster and downloads happened and destroyed it all anyway, which obviously would've happened regardless.
Now Amazon on a much bigger global scale has gobbled up not just the CD/Vinyl market but plenty of other markets too. My local JB Hi-Fi has not only stopped selling CD's/Vinyl but earlier this year got rid of all their DVD/Blu-ray/4K sections too and the local Sanity (much smaller version of JB) closed it's doors last month too. They couldn't compete with Amazon's prices either.
Quote from: vince furnier on September 20, 2022, 07:32:26 AM
it's not just saving money either. i don't have time to go to the record store these days and i know if i did i'd walk out of there with stuff i wasn't even thinking about when i walked in. on Amazon i can buy pants, a walkman cassette deck, a cd and whatever else i need and it's delivered to my house for almost nothing. :lol:
Like most of us here I buy a lot of things off of Amazon just for convenience sake. It's pretty nuts that I can have a thought occur, pull my phone out, order it and it's at my door in 24-48 hours. Can't really beat that.
I can't bring myself to buy vinyl from them though.
I miss good independent record stores. Used to have half a dozen in my area and they are all gone now.
As a serious collector, I pretty much order direct from the label or through an independent store on Discogs.
I mistakenly bought vinyl twice through Amazon and once the LP was packed in a huge box just rattling around the second time it was crammed into a soft mailing envelope and the jacket was completely mangled. :shock:
NEVER AGAIN
I prefer to buy my records from people who love records.
Quote from: jonE5 on September 20, 2022, 09:06:02 AM.
I mistakenly bought vinyl twice through Amazon and once the LP was packed in a huge box just rattling around the second time it was crammed into a soft mailing envelope and the jacket was completely mangled. :shock:
NEVER AGAIN
I prefer to buy my records from people who love records.
that's crazy. all the vinyl i've picked up on Amazon has been packaged as good as or better than from labels. whether i buy from them or a vendor on there. must be an east coast thing. and i've bought vinyl twice by mistake so i can relate. kept the slab, ordered the cd afterwards. that shit's on me for not checking better. :lol:
SURPRISE!!! CD edition in standard jewel case and the factory splattered vinyl are in stock NOW, plus the black vinyl pre-order:
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new
Quote from: Stonergrunge on September 20, 2022, 10:30:21 AM
SURPRISE!!! CD edition in standard jewel case and the factory splattered vinyl are in stock NOW, plus the black vinyl pre-order:
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new
Yay! Ordered. Thanks for the heads up!
Heh.... dude, that was *so* yesterday... :wink:
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 19, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
CD, black and spalttered vinyl editions available
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-cd
Quote from: Stonergrunge on September 20, 2022, 10:30:21 AM
SURPRISE!!! CD edition in standard jewel case and the factory splattered vinyl are in stock NOW, plus the black vinyl pre-order:
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new
when's this gonna hit streaming?????
Yes, that pretty much sums it up, alright.
Ironically, Amazon got on my bad side before the millennium, when I worked as a Marketing Director for a book publishing / distribution company in Minneapolis. Although I handled accounts with major publishers such as Penguin, HarperCollins, et al, we generally catered toward local and independent authors. One of our best clients was a feminist bookstore called Amazon, who literally had to fight to keep their name, then when the shop changed hands, lost the rights to the name by Amazon dot com.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Bookstore_Cooperative
They weren't the only ones who had difficulties as the shadow of Amazon loomed larger every day. What Bigval described regarding indie records shops being squeezed out by larger conglomerates held true for many of my customers who owned mom + pop, niche book stores in Minneapolis and the surrounding regions. I lost a lot of business, due to a lot of those shops losing their own businesses. And it hasn't gotten better over the years, no matter what the product is, be it books, records, CDs, or pants.
Although it has been years now, I've in the past been sort of forced to buy certain electronics, etc, for my home studio through the Amazon marketplace, only because the manufacturers themselves set it up that way, and didn't deal directly with customers. Because of this, I have personally run into a number of situations where Amazon actually interfered with some of the sellers in the own marketplace, by claiming a seller was out of stock - *BUT* they added that I could get it directly from the Amazon warehouse for less and free shipping! Funny thing about that though, was that in a few instances like that, I contacted the manufacturer to confirm that they were no longer carrying the product I was trying to buy, and it turns out it wasn't true at all. All I can assume is that Amazon was directly trying to ace out their own sellers and pocket 100% of the profits.
So yeah, people can do whatever they want for all I care, sleep with the devil, vote for Trump, support businesses like Live Nation, etc, but if you think of your dollars as a vote, and your purchases as activism, you *might* make different choices. Or Not. Whatever. Sleep well tonight.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH:Quote from: Bigval on September 20, 2022, 05:46:30 AM
I think the whole Fuck Bezos thing comes from Amazon destroying the competition. Record stores can't compete with Amazon prices so the consumer 9 times out of 10 will go with the cheaper option, therefore further destroying record stores.
Before Napster and all that happened I remember in the late 90's here in Australia we had a big chain store start up and expand everywhere called JB Hi-Fi. Due to their behemoth like purchasing power they undercut all the local record stores by selling their CD's $10 cheaper than them. You could argue the record stores were already gouging us the consumer too much anyway $30 for CD's and $35-$40 for import CD's like John Zorn stuff.
But when JB Hi-Fi started up they didn't sell imports but all their standard CD's were $20 each and the record stores just couldn't compete with that and quickly started going out of business in my city Big Star Records, Verandah Music, Andromeda, Bank Street Records all these stores just disappeared almost overnight. Then only about a year or two after JB had cornered the CD market, Napster and downloads happened and destroyed it all anyway, which obviously would've happened regardless.
Now Amazon on a much bigger global scale has gobbled up not just the CD/Vinyl market but plenty of other markets too. My local JB Hi-Fi has not only stopped selling CD's/Vinyl but earlier this year got rid of all their DVD/Blu-ray/4K sections too and the local Sanity (much smaller version of JB) closed it's doors last month too. They couldn't compete with Amazon's prices either.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 20, 2022, 02:30:51 AM
I don't get the whole Fuck Bezos thing. Sure no one likes Amazon or large corporations but if they stock what you want what's the problem?
update: album shipped 8)
It's sort of insulting to charge $15 for the CD to a fan/loyal customer who just paid $30 for the fancy factory vinyl. At least I should get a half-off discount on the CD, as a reward for buying the vinyl. Remember when bands/artists would throw in the CD for free with a vinyl purchase? Shellac has always done that, and Primus did it on a full LP 10 yrs ago.
I'm one of those weirdos that likes both formats. I'm sure Buzz would say fuck you, if you want it for free then download it and make your own CD! :P
Quote from: black stallion on September 20, 2022, 03:55:41 PM
update: album shipped 8)
Happy for you! Hopefully it arrives soon. Can't wait to hear your thoughts.
As for my own expectations for getting this, it goes something like this....
:microwave:
Bad mood rising indeed!
LOL, I couldn't order it right away and now the CD appears as a pre-order... Well, I'm still waiting for Mr. Phylzzz's Cancel Culture Club on vinyl and, last time I checked, it was scheduled for early October, so... I hope to order both things when the time comes.
Quote from: 01001010 on September 20, 2022, 12:27:39 PM
Yes, that pretty much sums it up, alright.
Ironically, Amazon got on my bad side before the millennium, when I worked as a Marketing Director for a book publishing / distribution company in Minneapolis. Although I handled accounts with major publishers such as Penguin, HarperCollins, et al, we generally catered toward local and independent authors. One of our best clients was a feminist bookstore called Amazon, who literally had to fight to keep their name, then when the shop changed hands, lost the rights to the name by Amazon dot com.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Bookstore_Cooperative
They weren't the only ones who had difficulties as the shadow of Amazon loomed larger every day. What Bigval described regarding indie records shops being squeezed out by larger conglomerates held true for many of my customers who owned mom + pop, niche book stores in Minneapolis and the surrounding regions. I lost a lot of business, due to a lot of those shops losing their own businesses. And it hasn't gotten better over the years, no matter what the product is, be it books, records, CDs, or pants.
Although it has been years now, I've in the past been sort of forced to buy certain electronics, etc, for my home studio through the Amazon marketplace, only because the manufacturers themselves set it up that way, and didn't deal directly with customers. Because of this, I have personally run into a number of situations where Amazon actually interfered with some of the sellers in the own marketplace, by claiming a seller was out of stock - *BUT* they added that I could get it directly from the Amazon warehouse for less and free shipping! Funny thing about that though, was that in a few instances like that, I contacted the manufacturer to confirm that they were no longer carrying the product I was trying to buy, and it turns out it wasn't true at all. All I can assume is that Amazon was directly trying to ace out their own sellers and pocket 100% of the profits.
So yeah, people can do whatever they want for all I care, sleep with the devil, vote for Trump, support businesses like Live Nation, etc, but if you think of your dollars as a vote, and your purchases as activism, you *might* make different choices. Or Not. Whatever. Sleep well tonight.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH:
Quote from: Bigval on September 20, 2022, 05:46:30 AM
I think the whole Fuck Bezos thing comes from Amazon destroying the competition. Record stores can't compete with Amazon prices so the consumer 9 times out of 10 will go with the cheaper option, therefore further destroying record stores.
Before Napster and all that happened I remember in the late 90's here in Australia we had a big chain store start up and expand everywhere called JB Hi-Fi. Due to their behemoth like purchasing power they undercut all the local record stores by selling their CD's $10 cheaper than them. You could argue the record stores were already gouging us the consumer too much anyway $30 for CD's and $35-$40 for import CD's like John Zorn stuff.
But when JB Hi-Fi started up they didn't sell imports but all their standard CD's were $20 each and the record stores just couldn't compete with that and quickly started going out of business in my city Big Star Records, Verandah Music, Andromeda, Bank Street Records all these stores just disappeared almost overnight. Then only about a year or two after JB had cornered the CD market, Napster and downloads happened and destroyed it all anyway, which obviously would've happened regardless.
Now Amazon on a much bigger global scale has gobbled up not just the CD/Vinyl market but plenty of other markets too. My local JB Hi-Fi has not only stopped selling CD's/Vinyl but earlier this year got rid of all their DVD/Blu-ray/4K sections too and the local Sanity (much smaller version of JB) closed it's doors last month too. They couldn't compete with Amazon's prices either.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 20, 2022, 02:30:51 AM
I don't get the whole Fuck Bezos thing. Sure no one likes Amazon or large corporations but if they stock what you want what's the problem?
Blasphemy! Fact: Amazon-dot-com got us through the pandemic. No one denies this.
Praise be unto Lord Bezos!
looks like the factory edition- *record shop BLACK variant* $25) and compact disc (14.99$) are up for preorder :D
vinyl: https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-factory-edition-store-variant
Cd: https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-cd
And the splatter *mail order variant* is back up also
I was dismayed, nay just disappointed that the youtube rip is down. I wanted to listen to Mister Dog while i'm up here at jerk, er work.
I know why it's down. Melvins make that money baby! I already bought three copies of this new one. And although i listen to plenty of youtube shit I would never do them like that as far as posting a rip. Just bummed, venting. that's what this support group is for right?
; p
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 22, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
I was dismayed, nay just disappointed that the youtube rip is down. I wanted to listen to Mister Dog while i'm up here at jerk, er work.
Haze did say a stream of the album is in the works. So lets hope it won't be too long and you'll be able to hear Mr Dog at work as intended!!
When's the last time u got a cd jewel case from amphetamine
Honky ?
My Honky was a digipak. Not sure if that counts, but it was more substantial than the cheapy card sleeves. I'm sure there were some jewel cases in the 2000s but I can't recall what.
QuoteWhen's the last time u got a cd jewel case from amphetamine
Honky ?
My copy of Singles 1-12 had a fancy double jewel case! Not one of the thick ones, but the kind that you could kinda flip like the page of a book and there was a CD attached to either side.
Honky was a digipack, and what a digipack!
Quote from: laptop sorcery on September 22, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
When's the last time u got a cd jewel case from amphetamine
Honky ?
alive at the fucker club
I bought the tour Vinyl. I recorded it on a cheap vinyl to mp3 set up. It sounds awful. I really want to hear this as intended. Is there any high quality download option available?
I can't tell if the album is super grimey or if its just my shitty svinyl set up lol Please help!!!
I have a couple different versions of this, and the sound is fabulous!
I know a lot of only have what we have to play our audio, but if your setup squashed the audio down to mp3s, it automatically stripped away some of the mids and highs - that's what mp3s are, after all. I don't know what the turntable is like, but if it's anything lower level than a AT 120LP, it could either be the turntable itself, or possibly the stylus. Sorry, but I'm going to risk saying I think it's your gear, not the record. Go to a friend's house who has a high end stereo system and see if you get the same results. Then if I'm wrong, you can call me names. Seriously, it's a great record and sounds terrific. Really.
• • • •
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on September 23, 2022, 05:57:49 PM
I bought the tour Vinyl. I recorded it on a cheap vinyl to mp3 set up. It sounds awful. I really want to hear this as intended. Is there any high quality download option available?
I can't tell if the album is super grimey or if its just my shitty svinyl set up lol Please help!!!
Quote from: 01001010 on September 23, 2022, 06:27:35 PM
I have a couple different versions of this, and the sound is fabulous!
I know a lot of only have what we have to play our audio, but if your setup squashed the audio down to mp3s, it automatically stripped away some of the mids and highs - that's what mp3s are, after all. I don't know what the turntable is like, but if it's anything lower level than a AT 120LP, it could either be the turntable itself, or possibly the stylus. Sorry, but I'm going to risk saying I think it's your gear, not the record. Go to a friend's house who has a high end stereo system and see if you get the same results. Then if I'm wrong, you can call me names. Seriously, it's a great record and sounds terrific. Really.
• • • •
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on September 23, 2022, 05:57:49 PM
I bought the tour Vinyl. I recorded it on a cheap vinyl to mp3 set up. It sounds awful. I really want to hear this as intended. Is there any high quality download option available?
I can't tell if the album is super grimey or if its just my shitty svinyl set up lol Please help!!!
. I'm sure my shitty turntable is the culprit. I'm really just hoping for a download to play in the car.
Mine sounds great as well. Black vinyl from roughtrade. Haven't tried the orange splatter factory edition yet. I'm glad this record is on Amrep because they never have Quality Control issues. ipecac seems to have one problem or other with every dang release. which is a
GD shame if ever there was one.
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 24, 2022, 08:56:21 AM
Ipecac seems to have one problem or other with every dang release. which is GD shame if ever there was one.
If Ipecac was a car manufacturer, it would be Edsel.
Ipecac sucks.
Warped nude with boots? Ok, mistakes happen.
Not even checking the test press for the recent ASA?
Super lazy.
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 24, 2022, 08:56:21 AM
Mine sounds great as well. Black vinyl from roughtrade. Haven't tried the orange splatter factory edition yet. I'm glad this record is on Amrep because they never have Quality Control issues. ipecac seems to have one problem or other with every dang release. which is a
GD shame if ever there was one.
. I wasn't really blaming the physical record. I was just suggesting that maybe the "artistic direction" was intentionally off kilter. (Which is fine). Have you guys ever bought a Melvins release (paraquat plus perhaps) and legitimately wondered if it was meant to play on 45 or 33 lol. I'm just saying my recording sounds unhinged and I want to know how much of it is just my recording. It would be fine with me if It was meant to sound this way, As long as I knew for sure.
got my cd from AmRep. why whine about streaming? it's digitally converted for your listening convenience! :lol: [-X
Any deets to spill? Does the record sound more like FLD or WWG on CD? Is there a booklet? I could see AmRep doing barely a white backed card stock square for a cover (no offense intended, just seems like sometimes they go less-is-more).
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on September 24, 2022, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 24, 2022, 08:56:21 AM
Mine sounds great as well. Black vinyl from roughtrade. Haven't tried the orange splatter factory edition yet. I'm glad this record is on Amrep because they never have Quality Control issues. ipecac seems to have one problem or other with every dang release. which is a
GD shame if ever there was one.
. I wasn't really blaming the physical record. I was just suggesting that maybe the "artistic direction" was intentionally off kilter. (Which is fine). Have you guys ever bought a Melvins release (paraquat plus perhaps) and legitimately wondered if it was meant to play on 45 or 33 lol. I'm just saying my recording sounds unhinged and I want to know how much of it is just my recording. It would be fine with me if It was meant to sound this way, As long as I knew for sure.
When i was a teenager i played the solo eps (and butthole surfers first two eps) on 33 for years....
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 24, 2022, 04:30:39 PM
Any deets to spill? Does the record sound more like FLD or WWG on CD? Is there a booklet? I could see AmRep doing barely a white backed card stock square for a cover (no offense intended, just seems like sometimes they go less-is-more).
Got mine. 4 page (1 fold) booklet, front and back jewel case art, bar code, and a nice old fashioned crack in the plastic :lol:
Quote from: vince furnier on September 24, 2022, 03:52:02 PM
got my cd from AmRep. why whine about streaming? it's digitally converted for your listening convenience! :lol: [-X
Is this Ted?
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on September 24, 2022, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: vince furnier on September 24, 2022, 03:52:02 PM
got my cd from AmRep. why whine about streaming? it's digitally converted for your listening convenience! :lol: [-X
Is this Ted?
we're supposed to use our usernames bro! :lol:
I love you VF! I'm crying about this download because I'm going for a long drive monday and wanna hear a decent version in the car. I'll order the cd too probably.
😂😂😂 I figured it out 😂😂😂. Whining over. 🙂 I forgot how to be resourceful for a minute.
I saw that on the back of the record there is a credit for a "Tabla Orchestra". Is that on the loop effects at the beginning and end of 'Receiver...'??
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 24, 2022, 07:05:19 PM
I saw that on the back of the record there is a credit for a "Tabla Orchestra". Is that on the loop effects at the beginning and end of 'Receiver...'??
Yes
This is the first straight up Melvins release since "Death". I am enjoying it, its going to take a few listens in earnest to decide where it lands. The first half is as grumpy and ugly as anything they have done, but the second half is gorgeously melodic. It Won't or It Might is my favorite track, and it fits into a lineage containing The Bunk Up, Soberdelic, Prenup Butter etc.
Looks like my black version is out for delivery today. I thought it was a pre-order and not shipping until sometime in October. Not complaining at all, just hoping I'm not confusing it with a different order I don't remember making
Petty complaint. I wish there were more variation in the kick and snare sounds. Any of the straight drum parts all sound like Toshi's typical Melvins splat drums.
I was going to wait for the release of Mr. Phylzzz's "Cancel Culture Club" on vinyl but last night I went to SHOXOP and the BMR CD was already in stock so... fuck it, I ordered it anyway.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 28, 2022, 11:20:22 AM
Petty complaint. I wish there were more variation in the kick and snare sounds. Any of the straight drum parts all sound like Toshi's typical Melvins splat drums.
I don't think its a petty complaint. I love the sound that this team has crafted over the past 20 (!) years, but I do enjoy experiencing different "production timbres" that comes with a variety of producers/engineers and I would like a little shakeup in the production booth. Good album theme: "Sound Booths Loaded"
My dream would be for a Steve Albini recorded Melvins album. It will NEVER happen though. Toshi4Life!
It's funny that you posted this, because when I read blacksanta's post, that was the first thing I thought, and I was trying really hard to imagine what that might sound like.
I happen to really dig Steve's production methods,, and I also think Toshi and Melvins are a perfect fit, but it could be really interesting to hear a bit of a shake-up in terms of production, just to see where it could go.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 28, 2022, 03:06:44 PM
My dream would be for a Steve Albini recorded Melvins album. It will NEVER happen though. Toshi4Life!
ok, i know i'm beating a (brian the)dead horse(faced goon) with this mister dog commentary but, wait a minute it's a new album. i take it back. I am seriously impressed and impacted by this thing. It's so epic that to me its begging to be called a magnum opus. I know the fallacy in that because melvins will continue and have some more greatness just around the bend quite possibly. With an intro, seems to be 4 parts, and an outro. this thing is just the fucking best. Its the opener of this album but it sets it up for the rest to unfold so well. I also really dig the fact that for me, the double album from 2017 is kinda really death as first LP and Bad MOOD as second LP. I haven't listened to it in this way yet but I will be doing so fairly soon. I can't help but i gotta put this out there for yall. done for now.
Hell yeah. I'm now pretty obsessed with the way Dale plays under the final guitar solo. What a banger. And the first part with lyrics really grew on me. I always kinda liked it but it felt a bit, hm, idunno, clunky? Now really getting the groove of Steven's part I can look past the lyrical phrasing and Buzz's pedal sound a bit.
On that topic, I wonder if this is all Hillbish stuff.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 29, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Hell yeah. I'm now pretty obsessed with the way Dale plays under the final guitar solo. What a banger. And the first part with lyrics really grew on me. I always kinda liked it but it felt a bit, hm, idunno, clunky? Now really getting the groove of Steven's part I can look past the lyrical phrasing and Buzz's pedal sound a bit.
On that topic, I wonder if this is all Hillbish stuff.
i know tour vs studio, they use different gear a lot of the time, but here's the tour pedal board.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-5T2yJzwf/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-5T2yJzwf/)
wow, you guys make me feel nervous as i haven't listened to this thing yet 8-[
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 29, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
With an intro, seems to be 4 parts, and an outro. this thing is just the fucking best.
Perhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!". It reminds me of when we discovered Graveyard was on PAT. I loved the live version they did and then hearing the studio one was just so disappointing. Slowing it down to a point that just wasn't half as cool. In fact the tempo seems to "break" the song in some ways.
i agree with you on the studio vs live graveyard. i really like that video of them in chicago or wherever with the ice cream truck. that version is really great.
I think it is still kinda mindboggling to think this is (in a sense) only Steven's second album with the band. Or at least PROPER album with them.
Basses - He's only on 4 songs.
PAT - Although listed as appearing on the record, apparently Steven was absent for most of it.
Five Legged Dog - All old songs.
QuotePerhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!".
I thankfully was never "tainted" by the live version - even though I did see them play it live in person. I honestly don't have any complaints about this album. It's one of the most straightforward, front to back, satisfying listens in their long list of LPs. It's got heaviness, some great riffs, some speed, some slow, melody, a pinch of weirdness. My ONLY tiny complaint would be Steven's tendency to hit those bass notes just an octave above everything else to make it almost
too melodic at times. Know what I mean?
Quote from: the bloat on September 29, 2022, 07:35:38 PM
QuotePerhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!".
My ONLY tiny complaint would be Steven's tendency to hit those bass notes just an octave above everything else to make it almost too melodic at times. Know what I mean?
Ah, i totally see what you mean. i think Steven is a great (classic) bassist and sometimes tends to do exactly what you expect him to do. i refer to the live context especially
Quote from: the bloat on September 29, 2022, 07:35:38 PM
QuotePerhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!".
I thankfully was never "tainted" by the live version - even though I did see them play it live in person. I honestly don't have any complaints about this album. It's one of the most straightforward, front to back, satisfying listens in their long list of LPs. It's got heaviness, some great riffs, some speed, some slow, melody, a pinch of weirdness. My ONLY tiny complaint would be Steven's tendency to hit those bass notes just an octave above everything else to make it almost too melodic at times. Know what I mean?
isn't that the difference between Joe Preston and Jared Warren tho? just depends on the execution whether it sits right with your tastes and your preconceived notions of what a bass player should be doing in this particular band. :D
Quote from: vince furnier on September 30, 2022, 08:15:39 AM
Quote from: the bloat on September 29, 2022, 07:35:38 PM
QuotePerhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!".
I thankfully was never "tainted" by the live version - even though I did see them play it live in person. I honestly don't have any complaints about this album. It's one of the most straightforward, front to back, satisfying listens in their long list of LPs. It's got heaviness, some great riffs, some speed, some slow, melody, a pinch of weirdness. My ONLY tiny complaint would be Steven's tendency to hit those bass notes just an octave above everything else to make it almost too melodic at times. Know what I mean?
isn't that the difference between Joe Preston and Jared Warren tho? just depends on the execution whether it sits right with your tastes and your preconceived notions of what a bass player should be doing in this particular band. :D
sure
https://open.spotify.com/album/0gu6pNUImVJghf6S9lUv2V?si=xXvdrGO1TxuEA6wADuNnIQ&nd=1
Out on spotify now!
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 30, 2022, 09:03:36 AM
https://open.spotify.com/album/0gu6pNUImVJghf6S9lUv2V?si=xXvdrGO1TxuEA6wADuNnIQ&nd=1
Out on spotify now!
Mister Dog is now Mr Dog. Damn i hate this sort of thing. I wonder why it says "standard" on Spotify. Is there an expanded one in the works or something?
Somewhat related, i wonder if it will ever get a Bandcamp release, although i suspect not. I dislike it when bands put out records on different labels and all their Bandcamp releases are on different pages.
I see the album is on iTunes and YouTube now too.
Also, i tell you what, i'd love to see Dylan Carlson perform 'Mr Dog...' with the band live. That would be cool.
No mainstream CD release or digital download on Bandcamp means IMO this album doesn't exist.
Finally listened to it on my big stereo. I haven't enjoyed an album front to back like this since Bulls and the Bees. I'll go on a limb and say this might be the Steven era HAT or ASA.
For sure.
I keep picking up on new things. In "It Won't Or It Might" there's a guitar solo in the back half that has a real warm blistering tone like J Mascis/Dinosaur Jr. Love it.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on October 01, 2022, 08:52:04 AM
For sure.
I keep picking up on new things. In "It Won't Or It Might" there's a guitar solo in the back half that has a real warm blistering tone like J Mascis/Dinosaur Jr. Love it.
Favorite tune
Quoteisn't that the difference between Joe Preston and Jared Warren tho? just depends on the execution whether it sits right with your tastes and your preconceived notions of what a bass player should be doing in this particular band.
Totally! It wouldn't be as fun if all the bass players sounded the same!
Great, just great - I missed the CD release on AR. When did it go up? Is this getting a real Ipecac release any time soon? Does anyone know anything? Argh.
Quote from: burgerhead on October 01, 2022, 08:30:49 PM
Great, just great - I missed the CD release on AR. When did it go up? Is this getting a real Ipecac release any time soon? Does anyone know anything? Argh.
It went up on Shopox about a week or two ago. I know their initial batch sold out quick and they got more copies in so that may happen a second time now that it has sold out yet again. It's available at some record stores solely in the States too apparently. Currently there is NO intention for it to be released on Ipecac or at least that hasn't been revealed if there indeed is. That could maybe change but i doubt it. It is an AmRep album. All in all this whole sorry saga has been something of a disaster both in fan communication and in availability. Why they didn't just let Haze do the art ones and splatter versions and put the regular version out on Ipecac like normal is utterly baffling.
I was going to rate the tracks on the album from best to least liked. But then i realised that for me that is basically the same order as the tracklist!!! 'It Won't Or It Might' is the only one i feel a bit conflicted on or unsure about. I love the rocking opening but then feel a little less enthused about the second half of the song. So i'm not too sure where to place that one.
QuoteI was going to rate the tracks on the album from best to least liked. But then i realised that for me that is basically the same order as the tracklist!!!
I can see some truth to this, however, I would bump up The Receiver and the Empire State to middle of the pack territory. It has the spirit of Magic Pig Detective, a no-nonsense rocker and a satisfying end to the album. Hammering is probably my least favorite. It's cool that their trying to do a Rolling Stones thing, but it hasn't clicked with me yet. Maybe more listens will reveal its genius
"Hammering" does have a Stones feel to the laid-back groove. But it's got enough of that twisted metal sound that the Stones never approach. Other just generally getting stuck in my head, this song is about the contrast of those two modalities.
still waiting for my copy impatiently, c'mon how does it take from NY to Italy? :evil:
Quote from: black stallion on October 03, 2022, 11:35:13 AM
still waiting for my copy impatiently, c'mon how does it take from NY to Italy? :evil:
Can't wait to hear your take on it.
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on October 03, 2022, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 03, 2022, 11:35:13 AM
still waiting for my copy impatiently, c'mon how does it take from NY to Italy? :evil:
Can't wait to hear your take on it.
it's because of reviews coming from great fans like you that made me even more excited to hear it! :D
Quote from: the bloat on October 02, 2022, 09:51:11 PM
I would bump up The Receiver and the Empire State to middle of the pack territory. It has the spirit of Magic Pig Detective, a no-nonsense rocker and a satisfying end to the album.
You know, i'm actually coming around to that song quite a bit lately. At first i thought it was a throwaway track. A weird conclusion to the record. But now i'm growing to like it and feel it works where it is placed.
I love how that beginning just steamrolls the tabla
happy ending :cheers:
https://ibb.co/JBx5gpG
Quote from: black stallion on October 08, 2022, 05:00:29 AM
happy ending
https://ibb.co/JBx5gpG
Awesome!!! Glad you got it and it isn't damaged. Can't wait to hear your thoughts.
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 03, 2022, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: the bloat on October 02, 2022, 09:51:11 PM
I would bump up The Receiver and the Empire State to middle of the pack territory. It has the spirit of Magic Pig Detective, a no-nonsense rocker and a satisfying end to the album.
You know, i'm actually coming around to that song quite a bit lately. At first i thought it was a throwaway track. A weird conclusion to the record. But now i'm growing to like it and feel it works where it is placed.
my thought is this song could have been on a Melvins 83 album
the dog is right -> best melvins song
followed by a very solid album.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 29, 2022, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on September 29, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
With an intro, seems to be 4 parts, and an outro. this thing is just the fucking best.
Perhaps because i heard it first, i still MUCH prefer the live version myself. The album one seems so slow by comparison. On my first listen to the album when the song kicked in after the drum intro i thought "oh God!!! Why are they doing it this slow!!! Noooo!!". It reminds me of when we discovered Graveyard was on PAT. I loved the live version they did and then hearing the studio one was just so disappointing. Slowing it down to a point that just wasn't half as cool. In fact the tempo seems to "break" the song in some ways.
I like the studio version better. I heard the live version first and upon hearing the record wished that they had just opened the show with the slower version of Mister Dog. But... there's nothing to cry about with Sacrifice as an opener. 🙂
Am I the only one that feels like the rest of this record kind of lives in the shadow of Mister dog?
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on October 20, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
Am I the only one that feels like the rest of this record kind of lives in the shadow of Mister dog?
i agree, that's the highlight of the album. Never Say You're Sorry is another great song. rest of the album sounds ok but didn't impress me honestly
"Mr Dog Is Totally Right" casts a long shadow and side A is for sure the one that defines the record. I was worried that side B might not grow on me as well as it did. Just give it some time, good sunlight and enough water. Aerate the soil every few months. It'll bloom.
Quote from: Afterbirthmilkshake on October 20, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
Am I the only one that feels like the rest of this record kind of lives in the shadow of Mister dog?
Kind of. Although i think 'Never Say...' is the best track. I wish Side B was similar to A. Make the whole thing a sludgy, heavy record. That would have been good.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on October 20, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
I was worried that side B might not grow on me as well as it did.
I disagree. The more i hear side B the less impressive it gets for me. It's just sort of "there" and "meh". Side A is where it is at.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on October 20, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
I was worried that side B might not grow on me as well as it did.
I disagree. The more i hear side B the less impressive it gets for me. It's just sort of "there" and "meh". Side A is where it is at.
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same here
If anyone knows of any store online that sells the CD other than Shoxop, please put up a link here. Would like to have it on CD too, but not for over $20 ppd.
very interesting album: the melvins have settled into enjoying themselves among the modern evil, and have captured the mood
many albums are good but don't capture the elbow of the earth.
i learned what "good albums" are, now. it's not just musicianship, vibe and originality. you also need to tame new regions of the ether and distill a sitcom about life there.
BMR has a deep, mystical blend of advanced musical vibes, some reminiscent of earlier eras of the discography, but repurposed. notes of HAT, ASA, and honky are folded in, honorably
great infusion of classic rock, mixing with the other elements.
nice production. some subtly perfect sounds, in there
Nice take on it, acid. I guess I wasn't the only one who got some ASA feelings. Honky makes sense, too.
BTW is your name a Chocolate Synthesizer reference?
yeah, that's what it's from. thanks
I wish we had some band chat about this album. It seems like ages since the last interviews and it's been surprising that they haven't promoted it a little with a few via video or in text form.
I wonder:
1- If releasing this on Am Rep was a gift/thank you to Haze knowing that financially a new non-limited album is a big deal.
2- Also a good way to audit how many people are guaranteed to seek out a new album.
Quote from: blacksanta on October 27, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
I wonder:
1- If releasing this on Am Rep was a gift/thank you to Haze knowing that financially a new non-limited album is a big deal.
2- Also a good way to audit how many people are guaranteed to seek out a new album.
This would be a good question for a future interview. I imagine the move had a lot to do with ipecac's constant fuck ups and lack of quality control.
Quote from: PepsiMike on October 27, 2022, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: blacksanta on October 27, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
I wonder:
1- If releasing this on Am Rep was a gift/thank you to Haze knowing that financially a new non-limited album is a big deal.
2- Also a good way to audit how many people are guaranteed to seek out a new album.
This would be a good question for a future interview. I imagine the move had a lot to do with ipecac's constant fuck ups and lack of quality control.
aaaaand we'll still get all the Cobain questions instead :? :lol:
Quote from: vince furnier on October 28, 2022, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: PepsiMike on October 27, 2022, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: blacksanta on October 27, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
I wonder:
1- If releasing this on Am Rep was a gift/thank you to Haze knowing that financially a new non-limited album is a big deal.
2- Also a good way to audit how many people are guaranteed to seek out a new album.
This would be a good question for a future interview. I imagine the move had a lot to do with ipecac's constant fuck ups and lack of quality control.
aaaaand we'll still get all the Cobain questions instead :? :lol:
:facepalm:
so funny because ipecac's issues continue... the dead cross records have a skip in the colored variants. hilarious.
Haven't really been following along as of late ... still all that wonder how/where/when this is/or isn't getting a wide release? Just picked up the jewel case at my local record shop ... dropped yesterday. Too bad they didn't have the the Dead Cross too.
Quote from: blacksanta on October 27, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
I wonder:
1- If releasing this on Am Rep was a gift/thank you to Haze knowing that financially a new non-limited album is a big deal.
2- Also a good way to audit how many people are guaranteed to seek out a new album.
Haze is so good about shipping etc. He's also really cool in person and seems to appreciate it when you're interested in his art and what he does. I'm glad it's on Am Rep. I love Ipecac, but we need all the cool labels we can get.
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 26, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
I wish we had some band chat about this album. It seems like ages since the last interviews and it's been surprising that they haven't promoted it a little with a few via video or in text form.
I'd love to see some footage of how they work things out in the studio and practice. Especially from the HAT era.
Quote from: acid policy on October 25, 2022, 06:10:46 PM
very interesting album: the melvins have settled into enjoying themselves among the modern evil, and have captured the mood
many albums are good but don't capture the elbow of the earth.
i learned what "good albums" are, now. it's not just musicianship, vibe and originality. you also need to tame new regions of the ether and distill a sitcom about life there.
BMR has a deep, mystical blend of advanced musical vibes, some reminiscent of earlier eras of the discography, but repurposed. notes of HAT, ASA, and honky are folded in, honorably
great infusion of classic rock, mixing with the other elements.
nice production. some subtly perfect sounds, in there
This sounds like me after morning coffee. I agree that there's some subtle beauty in this one. There is in all of them I guess.
It might be fun to pick apart the sections that call back feelings from other albums.
I received the CD yesterday and it's funny, I thought there was not going to be a silence between Mister Dog and Never Say You're Sorry but in fact there is one, clearly the lack of a silence was made for the vinyl only, which I kind of like it more since it makes Never Say You're Sorry more powerful.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on November 03, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
I thought there was not going to be a silence between Mister Dog and Never Say You're Sorry but in fact there is one, clearly the lack of a silence was made for the vinyl only, which I kind of like it more since it makes Never Say You're Sorry more powerful.
That is one of the things i was interested in. I thought i had heard the album without a break between those two songs. Like yourself, i prefer it that way too. I've just been listening to the YouTube stream so i've got used to having a break as it switches to the next song.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 03, 2022, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on November 03, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
I thought there was not going to be a silence between Mister Dog and Never Say You're Sorry but in fact there is one, clearly the lack of a silence was made for the vinyl only, which I kind of like it more since it makes Never Say You're Sorry more powerful.
That is one of the things i was interested in. I thought i had heard the album without a break between those two songs. Like yourself, i prefer it that way too. I've just been listening to the YouTube stream so i've got used to having a break as it switches to the next song.
My first experience was also on YouTube but from someone who uploaded the vinyl edition, that's why my surprise when I listened to the CD for the first time and noticed the break/silence between the two songs.
a friend of mine, huge fan, after listening to BMR just told me he misses the "sickness" in Melvins recent music.what do you think?
sickness of course being subjective, one could argue that bmr has more sickness than other recent releases
Quote from: black stallion on November 05, 2022, 06:23:00 AM
a friend of mine, huge fan, after listening to BMR just told me he misses the "sickness" in Melvins recent music.what do you think?
I'd like to know what he meant by "sickness". Did he mean sick in terms of meaty, heavy riffs or maybe the music sounding a bit more unhinged and menacing? I absolutely miss both! Going forward i hope they ditch the poppiness and jokiness and stick more to the Mr Dog, Never Say vibes.
Quotea friend of mine, huge fan, after listening to BMR just told me he misses the "sickness" in Melvins recent music.
Yeah, not much to go off of here. Maybe he means "sic" as in spelling incorrect? I love BMR front to back. I've had that orange splatter spinning on my turntable for two months solid.
Quote from: Nizamark on November 05, 2022, 11:05:46 AM
sickness of course being subjective, one could argue that bmr has more sickness than other recent releases
yeah sure
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 05, 2022, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: black stallion on November 05, 2022, 06:23:00 AM
a friend of mine, huge fan, after listening to BMR just told me he misses the "sickness" in Melvins recent music.what do you think?
or maybe the music sounding a bit more unhinged and menacing?
yes, he means this
I agree with Stallion. I immediately thought of that kind of sexual frustration of Ozma that permuted into a seething volatility in the Mark D years and the weirdness in the Kevin years. IMHO they have rarely had that 'sickness' since. Bits and pieces with Pinkus or Jared but I just think it's been replaced by a generally cloistered energy.
We are now squarely in the Melvins "rock" phase. I think the vitriol of youth, the sonic experimentation, the pummeling metal riffage with odd time signatures are all in the past. You can't expect a band to keep repeating themselves over and over for 40 years. They just do meat n'potatoes, heavy rock and roll now. What's wrong with that?
Call me crazy but I don't believe the band has lost things like the pummeling metal riffage with odd time signatures nor the sonic experimentation, maybe they're not that obvious nowadays but if you listen to the very beginning of Mister Dog, Never Say You're Sorry or even the two King Dunn EPs you can clearly hear that kind of stuff.
You guys are asking men in their 50's with mortgages to write the same albums they did when they were in their 20's and broke af. It's not happening.
Don't get me wrong. I love the latest ten studio albums. I think BMR is going ne of the most vital releases in the band's later catalog. I just haven't really heard an 'unhinged' Buzz original since maybe "I Told You I Was Crazy." And that's fine. I would welcome more of it, but what they are doing now is rich and interesting and a bunch of other positive adjectives.
Quote from: immoraliste on November 07, 2022, 12:24:08 PM
You guys are asking men in their 50's with mortgages to write the same albums they did when they were in their 20's and broke af. It's not happening.
Hell, i'll take their 30's or even their 40's!
QuoteI just haven't really heard an 'unhinged' Buzz original since maybe "I Told You I Was Crazy."
Agreed! Love this song. Classic Buzzo
Quote from: the bloat on November 06, 2022, 10:22:17 PM
We are now squarely in the Melvins "rock" phase. I think the vitriol of youth, the sonic experimentation, the pummeling metal riffage with odd time signatures are all in the past. You can't expect a band to keep repeating themselves over and over for 40 years. They just do meat n'potatoes, heavy rock and roll now. What's wrong with that?
i totally agree with your point, sure..nothing wrong with them playing heavy rock n roll. i still think most of the songs on BMR sound a bit generic though, especially for Melvins standards. if i think to best stuff released by the guys in recent years probably the Buzzo acoustic albums come first than Melvins material
the other thing that's interesting to note about BMR is all the comments posted here about it. Compare it to other threads in the Melvin's Album Discussion board and you'll find that this one has fueled quite a healthy discussion amongst Melvins fans! Seems like a very polarizing record.
Quote from: the bloat on November 08, 2022, 07:36:19 PM
the other thing that's interesting to note about BMR is all the comments posted here about it. Compare it to other threads in the rate the records section and you'll find that this one has fueled quite a healthy discussion amongst Melvins fans! Seems like a very polarizing record.
I think some of that discussion perhaps stems from the way it was released with Haze and the vinyl coming before the "proper" release. I think that got us talking more about it than some Melvins albums of recent memory.
i think this is one of the less discussed albums (i mean musically), i'd have been curious to hear more opinions about it by some old school fans from this board . it seems this album has been kinda ignored, probably some people didn't hear it or simply they weren't impressed
Quote from: immoraliste on November 07, 2022, 12:24:08 PM
You guys are asking men in their 50's with mortgages to write the same albums they did when they were in their 20's and broke af. It's not happening.
im not asking, im telling! :lol:
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 02:18:46 AM
It's a dark, rainy morning here but look what just arrived!
I didn't need to get it direct from AmRep either!
How long until the booklet ends up in the bin? ;)
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 02:18:46 AM
It's a dark, rainy morning here but look what just arrived!
I didn't need to get it direct from AmRep either!
where did you find it?
Quote from: Bigval on November 15, 2022, 04:13:27 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 02:18:46 AM
It's a dark, rainy morning here but look what just arrived!
I didn't need to get it direct from AmRep either!
How long until the booklet ends up in the bin? ;)
:lol:
Quote from: Bigval on November 15, 2022, 04:13:27 AM
How long until the booklet ends up in the bin?
Probably not very long!
Quote from: vince furnier on November 15, 2022, 05:51:09 AM
where did you find it?
On Amazon via a third party seller probably looking to make a quick buck. It was £22 so i obviously overpaid a little but i didn't care about that i just wanted the CD. I did think it might have been shipped from the US where it seems to be quite available but weirdly on the package it says Switzerland. I wasn't expecting that!
Can you show us the liner notes? The vinyl didn't include any inserts, just a black record sleeve, so I'm curious what the booklet looks like!
Quote from: the bloat on November 15, 2022, 02:27:00 PM
Can you show us the liner notes? The vinyl didn't include any inserts, just a black record sleeve, so I'm curious what the booklet looks like!
I hope this works...
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ckexu1LOSs7/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
is that booklet still alive? :shock:
Quote from: black stallion on November 15, 2022, 03:01:51 PM
is that booklet still alive?
Oh yeah. I haven't even gave it a listen yet. I NEVER dispose of any art until after at least ONE listen. It'll probably get a few days or so.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 12:02:04 PM
It was £22 so i obviously overpaid a little but i didn't care about that i just wanted the CD.
Wow that's like $40-45 AU, that's one expensive CD.
I haven't paid money like that for a CD since about 20 years ago when John Zorn released a limited edition album with Mike Patton & Ikue Mori signed by all three for around $100-150 AU.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: black stallion on November 15, 2022, 03:01:51 PM
is that booklet still alive?
Oh yeah. I haven't even gave it a listen yet. I NEVER dispose of any art until after at least ONE listen. It'll probably get a few days or so.
i wish you could make a video of this process! :evil:
I tell you one thing i have noticed, the quality of the jewel case seems to be quite bad. It feels thinner or cheaper in some way. Perhaps that's what the majority of jewel cases are like these days. Also the CD isn't held in place whatsoever. It would fall right out if you turned it upside down. All in all, it doesn't bother me because i won't be keeping the case anyway but if i was i would wish for something better than this!
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 07:33:07 PM
I tell you one thing i have noticed, the quality of the jewel case seems to be quite bad. It feels thinner or cheaper in some way. Perhaps that's what the majority of jewel cases are like these days. Also the CD isn't held in place whatsoever. It would fall right out if you turned it upside down. All in all, it doesn't bother me because i won't be keeping the case anyway but if i was i would wish for something better than this!
Yeah not to defend AmRep at all but all modern CD's these days have cheap flimsy shitty cases, the kind of cases that crack just by looking at them. Not like the late 80's and early 90's when the CD cases were really hard and tough, I know that for a fact because a few years ago I fell back into the trap of buying up cheap CD's from op shops and then ripping them to my laptop and then trading them in for a profit at record stores, some of those old CD's from that time period the cases were as tough as anything. They certainly got made cheaper over time and now they're quite pathetically thin.
Thanks for sharing the liner note pics for the CD. I was hoping the vinyl would include some cool graphics, but nope...
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 15, 2022, 07:33:07 PM
I tell you one thing i have noticed, the quality of the jewel case seems to be quite bad. It feels thinner or cheaper in some way. Perhaps that's what the majority of jewel cases are like these days. Also the CD isn't held in place whatsoever. It would fall right out if you turned it upside down. All in all, it doesn't bother me because i won't be keeping the case anyway but if i was i would wish for something better than this!
That's why I changed the tray in mine, you can tell by the photos I shared from my Instagram acccount, and also because one of the "little legs" (don't know the actual name of that) on the centre was broken.
What was the last jewel case release? Basses Loaded? Everything else since Hold it In has been digipak?
Edit: Just noticed I crossed the 900 post threshold :lol:
Quote from: blacksanta on November 16, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
What was the last jewel case release? Basses Loaded? Everything else since Hold it In has been digipak?
I think you're right
The truth can now be told. This album is good.
Quote from: blacksanta on November 16, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
What was the last jewel case release? Basses Loaded? Everything else since Hold it In has been digipak?
It was Working With God actually.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 16, 2022, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: blacksanta on November 16, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
What was the last jewel case release? Basses Loaded? Everything else since Hold it In has been digipak?
It was Working With God actually.
Nope. Maybe there's already a 2nd pressing by now of WWG w/ jewel case, but I bought it week of release date and it's def a digipak. The kind I prefer w/ the plastic tray glued on, NOT the retarded eco-friendly all cardboard versions in which some are oversized by a half inch like Hold It In, and Buzz' 1st solo acoustic one.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on November 16, 2022, 06:01:44 PM
Nope. Maybe there's already a 2nd pressing by now of WWG w/ jewel case, but I bought it week of release date and it's def a digipak.
Ah yeah you're right now you mention it.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 16, 2022, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on November 16, 2022, 06:01:44 PM
Nope. Maybe there's already a 2nd pressing by now of WWG w/ jewel case, but I bought it week of release date and it's def a digipak.
Ah yeah you're right now you mention it.
Ok. I believe the last jewel case Melvins CD was indeed Basses Loaded.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on November 16, 2022, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 16, 2022, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on November 16, 2022, 06:01:44 PM
Nope. Maybe there's already a 2nd pressing by now of WWG w/ jewel case, but I bought it week of release date and it's def a digipak.
Ah yeah you're right now you mention it.
Ok. I believe the last jewel case Melvins CD was indeed Basses Loaded.
Yes, that is true.
https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2022/11/melvins-interview-new-album-bad-mood-rising.html
QuoteDale Crover: More touring and some more records. More of the same. We will certainly make a big stink out of it.
Records (plural). I'm already looking forward to next year! :D
Quote from: the bloat on November 23, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Records (plural). I'm already looking forward to next year!
Does "records" translate into being albums though? I'm sure that could be open to interpretation. Maybe he means multiple re-issues! Haha.
QuoteDoes "records" translate into being albums though? I'm sure that could be open to interpretation. Maybe he means multiple re-issues! Haha.
True... could be a couple 10"s, a reissue, a Dunn album and a live recording. Either way, I'm sure I'll be buying
Quote from: the bloat on November 23, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
QuoteDale Crover: More touring and some more records. More of the same. We will certainly make a big stink out of it.
Records (plural). I'm already looking forward to next year! :D
FWIW the latest Ipecac newsletter arrived overnight and said 5-6 new releases will be coming out on the label next year, Melvins were not one of the bands mentioned.
Quote from: Bigval on November 23, 2022, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: the bloat on November 23, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
QuoteDale Crover: More touring and some more records. More of the same. We will certainly make a big stink out of it.
Records (plural). I'm already looking forward to next year! :D
FWIW the latest Ipecac newsletter arrived overnight and said 5-6 new releases will be coming out on the label next year, Melvins were not one of the bands mentioned.
As I said in a different thread earlier, Ipecac is now down the same path as SST was in the late '80s/early '90s. Other than Spotlights, I can't remember the last "new" good band/album that the label put out. They had a great 10 yr run from '02 to '12. It's been a slow downhill slide since. I'd say Ipecac really jumped the shark when they decided to back Omar Rodriguez' 15 or so digital albums he put out. :lol: Besides the last few Melvins albums and Patton's latest vanity projects, I have no use for Ipecac. So good for the Melvins if they're going strictly AmRep.
Agreed. I also finally got around to listening to Mr.Phyllzz Cancel Culture Club and I found it brief and invigorating.
Notice also Dunn is doing stuff either on his little Riverworm label or elsewhere. I bet the pandemic shook up a lot of artist/label relationships.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on November 23, 2022, 06:45:08 PM
I'd say Ipecac really jumped the shark when they decided to back Omar Rodriguez' 15 or so digital albums he put out. :lol:
And then they disappeared as soon as the Crystal Fairy thing went pear-shaped.
I still think the Melvins need a mainstream type label like Ipecac or something similar because they've got the worldwide distribution channels boutique hobby labels like AmRep don't have. It's one thing as a once off but the band will definitely need to find a proper label going forward.
i liked the part where they talked about Jello B.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on November 23, 2022, 10:02:37 PM
Notice also Dunn is doing stuff either on his little Riverworm label or elsewhere. I bet the pandemic shook up a lot of artist/label relationships.
The brand new Trio-Convulsant album "Seances" is awesome. Well worth the wait :D. I'm way more into that group than any recent or future Buzz/Trevor collabs.
How much does a fiercely independent band need? Assuming we don't have another pandemic, the Melvins can probably subsist on touring for another decade at least. They book well in advance, show up on time and bring great crowds. Whatclub owner is going to care whether they have an album on ipecac or Universal or AmRep? All that stuff, "tour support" and whatnot is just more loans for bands that don't have their shit together.
I bet if they really needed something, they could do another Third Man record. But why bother?
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on November 24, 2022, 04:16:33 PM
I bet if they really needed something, they could do another Third Man record. But why bother?
True, but remember Buzz always prides himself on being the "what have you done lately?" guy. They may play old songs most of the time now but i think for him, writing new material and releasing it is still essentially what a band DOES and is. An active band and not just an on stage jukebox.
they shared Ipecac's black friday post on fb. :D
Quote from: vince furnier on November 24, 2022, 07:49:56 PM
they shared Ipecac's black friday post on fb. :D
Well yeah it's in their financial interests to do so given how many albums they've released on the label.
Yep, totally agree.
They make music to keep up their end of the bargain, and probably because on some level they feel it's vital to the band. And I am so glad for that. We are among the luckiest fans of all time.
I haven't listening to this yet but i'm sure it will provide some insight.
https://www.ghostcultmag.com/podcast-episode-209-thomas-hazelmeyer-of-amphetamine-reptile-records-on-the-new-album-by-melvins-and-running-an-indie-label/
Second listen now ... Mr dog is fantastic .. love the little guitarriff that comes halfway through first half, ugly and effective ... and buzz´s singing higher cleaner notes then i can remember ?
he might have taken some lessons or gone to a vocal coach ... I like it, it really fits the song, more nuances (spelling) than usual with buzz...
i love how they can do whatever the hell soundwise and you wont ever not hear who it is ...
Thinking about Mastodon, quite the opposite....wouldnt hear it was them if some newer material played somewhere..
"never say youre sorry" just started here ..... wow first listen i wasnt at all in the mood for this .... Now its perfect,
how are you guys listening, on stereo speakers or headphones ?? i tried headphones today ... maybe it´s that
BMR is the first real "headphones" Melvins album in a long time for me.
I listen mostly in the car (on CD) or walking the dog (with BT headphones), but this one really sounds awesome if you have the vinyl or at least lossless through a nice set of wired cans.
yeah i think so to...bad mood felt way shorter today, and i just... nooo already?
So i did the natural thing in my position, I took 1st listen to five L D ... headphones didnt come off
i paused after eye flyes had stuck on repeat ....that one is outstanding! so that lead to I couldnt keep my hands away from my classical nylon...
So i have most of the album for later ...
finally really good albums again...i been kind of disapointed about everything since basses loaded, and the even worse with mike kunka...love & death i need to listen more, maybe listened to it twice. pinkus i put in the car so that got many spins ... i have heard it 50 times easy, not because its super good but i really wanted it to be ...Dont forget to breathe is a masterpiece, Pinkus creation mainly?? that bass and the vocals is really nice. Or maybe steven had his fingers in that bassline ... i never listened to redd kross ... so. And working with god i really had my hopes up there to...i know 1 or two tracks got extra spins but i cant remember ... but i have to Headphone that one !!
And Dales two albums ...
i like my headphones more and more ... they are bluetooth from Bose....so not hifi .... i guess since it is enjoyable it good enough
I have heard about headphone listeners and the money they dish out sometimes are insane,
Im curious, maybe should go to a real hifi-store where the the fuses are dipped in molten gold and speakercables are cured in pure pixie-dust.... just to se what REALLY good ones can sound like...
Now when i look back at what i wrote im thinking im spoiled rotten....my favourite band is workaholics and releases something album like at least once a year ....
Could be worse for shure.
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-bad-mood-rising-mint-green-cover-edition
Here is a chance to potentially get another 'artist proof' version...
"side B" is growing on me
I wonder if they will continue to do demos for future albums like they did with this one.
I hope so! I think this worked. Also with Buzz moving out of state I think it's more likely that they'll have to work this way.
This is somewhat interesting. The reversed backmasked intro to Mister Dog Is Totally Right.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ez6CiinpRcijoARWV9ta7MEySbDiTlzd/view
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on December 22, 2022, 07:58:20 PM
I hope so! I think this worked. Also with Buzz moving out of state I think it's more likely that they'll have to work this way.
Is he really leaving California? I thought he loved Los Ángeles... or is it way too expensive to live there already?
Quote from: Stonergrunge on December 27, 2022, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on December 22, 2022, 07:58:20 PM
I hope so! I think this worked. Also with Buzz moving out of state I think it's more likely that they'll have to work this way.
Is he really leaving California? I thought he loved Los Ángeles... or is it way too expensive to live there already?
He moved to Tucson, AZ during the pandemic and Dale has since moved to Palm Springs albeit still in CA but both no longer in LA.
anyone have guitar tabs for mr dog is totally right?