https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2296978963664766&set=a.102621753100509&type=3
Haze says it's a 10-inch. anyone have any idea about the music on it?
Walsby shared one of Toshis Instagram videos a while back said Sleep and Melvins involved. My guess is Sabbath covers with maybe Al from sleep singing?? That's what it sounds like in the clip.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlG9L3ql_Ah/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xmu07j6adu62
Now this is exciting!!! To me it doesn't sound like Al in that Instagram clip although i guess it could be. Love the HAZE art there and the "Melvins" font.
Thinking out loud, i wonder if this is going to be part of that mysterious "history of rock" album project that was mentioned or whether it's just a one off 10 inch. It does seem with Melvins that the songs they put out with HAZE always end up appearing on an album later on. Like the Tres Cabrones or Basses Loaded tracks were.
a small part of me is surprised anyone from MELVINS was interested in covering a Black Sabbath song.
but then again.. the almighty dollar is highly motivational. this will sell like wildfire.
Ian, I don't know about that business of it all coming out on an album or CD. Wasn't "Alleged" on AmRep and also a covers collaborative 10" ? Or a variety of "other" collaborative covers on AmRep only vinyl ("Victoria," "Breaking Glass," "In League With Satan," and the rest of the clown series b-sides)
I appreciate that there are these vinyl only releases and I guess eventually hearing crappy rips on youtube is better than never hearing them. But I'm not really getting my hopes up. I might try to get the vinyl to own since the art is awesome and there's no guarantee it'll ever come out any other way. I'll still probably have to wait until it's on youtube or wherever to hear the damn thing.
Quote from: glen on August 30, 2018, 09:48:23 AM
a small part of me is surprised anyone from MELVINS was interested in covering a Black Sabbath song.
I know, i thought somewhat the same. Especially a song that has been covered by many acts.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 30, 2018, 09:55:16 AM
Ian, I don't know about that business of it all coming out on an album or CD. Wasn't "Alleged" on AmRep and also a covers collaborative 10" ? Or a variety of "other" collaborative covers on AmRep only vinyl ("Victoria," "Breaking Glass," "In League With Satan," and the rest of the clown series b-sides)
Yes, you are right, not ALL the Amrep stuff appears on an Ipecac release but i think there's a good chance this will. Or some of it! Usually it is more the 7"'s that tend to be their own thing. The 10"'s the band have put out have usually been album material, released earlier as an 10" EP. However you are right that this doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of future plans.
Who's singing in that clip? Al? Matt?
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on August 30, 2018, 11:16:40 AM
Who's singing in that clip? Al? Matt?
It's definitely not Matt. It doesn't immediately sound like Al either, but after hearing it a few times it does seem like it could be him. Imitating Ozzy. If this is indeed the Sleep guys, i wonder how Matt would fit into this. The guitar sounds like Buzz alone to me so im wondering if it isn't just Buzz, Dale and Al on bass.
I'm taking a stab at Al. he's shown multiple vocal stylings over the years.
Damn, that vinyl is going to be sold out in less than 5 minutes, I hope Hazelmyer has plans to release it on CD as well.
Here's where I get my foundation for their thoughts on Ozzy/ Sabbath. :idea:
https://youtu.be/yTo6ARxGJfA
Quote from: Stonergrunge on August 30, 2018, 02:27:51 PM
Damn, that vinyl is going to be sold out in less than 5 minutes, I hope Hazelmyer has plans to release it on CD as well.
Is there a day/time listed for sales yet?
Quote from: johnnyg on August 31, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on August 30, 2018, 02:27:51 PM
Damn, that vinyl is going to be sold out in less than 5 minutes, I hope Hazelmyer has plans to release it on CD as well.
Is there a day/time listed for sales yet?
As far as I know, nothing yet.
Test pressing on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MELVINS-Sabbath-EP-Test-Pressing-1-10/392113219932?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/MELVINS-Sabbath-EP-Test-Pressing-1-10/392113219932?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1)
:lol:
Alright... Sounds like maybe a Sausages project that couldn't get finished until after the long awaited Sleep releases. Just my guess. Curious what the lineup is. I'm really hoping for the classic, epic Sabbath tracks. Two tracks over seven minutes, please!
It seems that 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' and 'Black Sabbath' are the two songs that are featured. It is an odd one that it is a 10" considering it's only two songs. I guess this falls in line with what Buzz said recently about 7"'s being too expensive to have made. They just decided to make it a 10" instead.
As regards the line-up, it appears to be Buzz, Dale and Al by the looks of it.
Cool. Really hope Haze does a run of the cheapo $5 CDs, since I don't have any intentions of paying the going vinyl price, plus it'll sell out in 5 min. besides.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on September 03, 2018, 10:51:57 AM
Cool. Really hope Haze does a run of the cheapo $5 CDs, since I don't have any intentions of paying the going vinyl price, plus it'll sell out in 5 min. besides.
C'MON cheapy $5$ CD version
I wonder why Buzz is doing this considering his burning hatred for Ozzy-era Sabbath
Knowing how he feels about them, I almost want to accost him at the next show to enthusiastically thank him for finally giving fitting tribute to the Melvins' obviously-biggest influence who they directly descended from, just to get a reaction
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 03, 2018, 01:09:12 AM
:lol:
honestly.. I would absolutely love to know the person that has $800 to spend on a piece of vinyl. that's the kind of person I need to be friends with.
It's Al! :lol:
https://www.punknews.org/article/67861/melvins-and-al-cisneros-of-sleep-record-two-songs (https://www.punknews.org/article/67861/melvins-and-al-cisneros-of-sleep-record-two-songs)
At this point, does this mean Al can be considered an official "Melvin"? A proper Melvins bassist? Or does a true member need to perform live with the band beyond merely recording their part?
Eh, as official as Scott Kelly at least.
Quote from: DToxico on September 04, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
I wonder why Buzz is doing this considering his burning hatred for Ozzy-era Sabbath
Not quite true it seems.
http://homeofmetal.com/why-i-love-black-sabbath-king-buzzo/
I wonder if this is a one-off or are we about to see a tease of the History of Rock concept album in the works. That said if the latter could we well get another cool covers album with plenty of guests?
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on September 04, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
I wonder if this is a one-off or are we about to see a tease of the History of Rock concept album in the works. That said if the latter could we well get another cool covers album with plenty of guests?
I've always been really intrigued about that project ever since Steve mentioned it. He said Buzz asked Jeff MacDonald to be involved and i always thought it would just be that line-up. But now i do wonder if - like you say - it could be a number of guests all contributing on different types of songs. In this sense, i wonder whether it would just be a series of covers (like Everybody Loves Sausages) presented in chronological order or whether it would be new Melvins material done in the style of the various eras of rock.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 04, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: DToxico on September 04, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
I wonder why Buzz is doing this considering his burning hatred for Ozzy-era Sabbath
Not quite true it seems.
http://homeofmetal.com/why-i-love-black-sabbath-king-buzzo/
That's straight-up bizarre; just a year or two ago I read an interview with him where he shit all over them, complained about being compared to them because he said he never thought they were actually very good/thought they were horribly overrated, and said their only decent album was Heaven & Hell. This is like the diametric opposite of the stuff he was saying there.
Quote from: DToxico on September 05, 2018, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 04, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: DToxico on September 04, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
I wonder why Buzz is doing this considering his burning hatred for Ozzy-era Sabbath
Not quite true it seems.
http://homeofmetal.com/why-i-love-black-sabbath-king-buzzo/
That's straight-up bizarre; just a year or two ago I read an interview with him where he shit all over them, complained about being compared to them because he said he never thought they were actually very good/thought they were horribly overrated, and said their only decent album was Heaven & Hell. This is like the diametric opposite of the stuff he was saying there.
I would point out that this article seems that the site reached out to Buzz and seemed to ask "why is sabbath cool?" I don't think that Buzz wrote to them asking to do an article. His answers in this seem to mostly try to walk away from sabbath and talk about priest, cooper, and blue cheer.
I would guess the root of it is this: Buzz and co really like Sabbath. But, they feel it minimizes them when they are viewed as a band that is just trying to duplicate sabbath's sound, or is a band that is MOSTLY influenced by sabbath, as that seems to suggest they're not adding their own originality or cleverness into their own music, or are always in the shadow of another band. I think Buzz sees Sabbath as something like 1/20th of what the Melvins are, the rest being influence of other bands, other art, and the band's own spark. This is totally my guess, mind you.
I agree, Sabbath is the cornerstone of most heavy metal sound, over bands like deep purple...but only where Judas priest gets less love, Iron Maiden has more of a marketing niche for that matter than Priest.
Kids who didn't live the 80's wouldn't think to know the difference of whats what, they didn't see it evolve in real time.
Did they mention Pink floyd at all? I would credit them as being a major influence..but that goes without saying, a lot of bands owe a huge debt to Pink Floyd.
There was a lot of polished glam stuff that got in there and smeared a lot of the focus from some of the grittier more brutal stuff that evolved out of the crossover.
You can hear more Alice cooper influence in Halo of Flies, more stooges sound etc.
Melvins are a lot more cautious about disclosing their influences, but clearly Buzz loves the noise aspect of loud psych rock because it so easily challenged the later stuff in the punk and metal scene even by today's standards.
personally I'd love to hear the Melvins take on Sabbath tunes, anyone with a good pair of ears can appreciate Blues oriented stuff even in a heavy metal context.
Nothing wrong with Sabbath covers, I wouldn't Judge a band for biting sabbath, there's too many bands out there to name who are blatant about it, so what's one more band taking a shot at the sabbath can going to do at this point? I'm sure they'd sell more albums that way...it's a win.
What do you think if they had done Hendrix or blue cheer, kids wouldn't give as big a fuck...who are those guys? right?
Hell most people are deaf and can't tell the difference between anything.
back in highschool, I played melvins for a guy who thought Buzzes vocals sounded like metallica, I laughed...
Maybe...mayyybe...but Only because the guy doesn't know who Corrosion of Conformity is whatsoever, and I'd rate them as a bigger influence on Melvins than Metallica.
I'd say Buzz tends to sound more like Tom From slayer when he's really belting it out.
One thing I will mention is that Buzz IMO is one of the greatest all time vocalists of Heavy metal, hands down...he's maybe a Bulldozer on guitar (which is actually a good thing in this case IMO) he's got some serious bellows on him that is a challenging match, lyrically I find them untouchable, that's their secret formula that encodes a lot of direct meaning and really opens the whole thing up into it's own private little world.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 30, 2018, 09:55:16 AM
Ian, I don't know about that business of it all coming out on an album or CD. Wasn't "Alleged" on AmRep and also a covers collaborative 10" ? Or a variety of "other" collaborative covers on AmRep only vinyl ("Victoria," "Breaking Glass," "In League With Satan," and the rest of the clown series b-sides)
I appreciate that there are these vinyl only releases and I guess eventually hearing crappy rips on youtube is better than never hearing them. But I'm not really getting my hopes up. I might try to get the vinyl to own since the art is awesome and there's no guarantee it'll ever come out any other way. I'll still probably have to wait until it's on youtube or wherever to hear the damn thing.
THIS^
How long has this been out? I've been waiting for proper digital versions of these and my hope is fading.
"Be patient" they said...
Anyway, I think Al would make a great addition to the roster of bass players. I love his playing style and voice.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 05, 2018, 01:58:46 PMback in highschool, I played melvins for a guy who thought Buzzes vocals sounded like metallica, I laughed...
Lol... This acquaintance I've mentioned here before who is really weird about what he chooses to listen to, and
hates the Melvins because "all of their decades' worth of songs sound identical" (which, as I've pointed out elsewhere, is an absurd criticism from somebody whose all-time favorite band is Bad Religion) was really impressed when I played "Hooch" and "Honey Bucket" in my car while giving him a ride... but only because he was completely convinced they were Metallica. Once I pointed out who it actually was, suddenly the songs weren't actually all that good or whatever, y'know...
I've heard Black Sabbath (the song) floated around as one of the tracks. =;
come on. dig deeper. Lord Of This World. Tomorrow's Dream. Symptom Of the Universe. stuff like that.
Quote from: vince furnier on September 06, 2018, 10:20:34 AM
I've heard Black Sabbath (the song) floated around as one of the tracks. =;
come on. dig deeper. Lord Of This World. Tomorrow's Dream. Symptom Of the Universe. stuff like that.
I could picture them putting out a great "Fairies Wear Boots"
also, though I'd take 'good' Sabbath over practically any other metal band any day of the week, I would argue that purely on a good vs. bad albums ratio, Deep Purple beats the hell out of Tony's Boys. I would love a Deep Purple cover one of these days - especially if it's a track from the underrated Rod Evans era.
Quote from: DToxico on September 06, 2018, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: vince furnier on September 06, 2018, 10:20:34 AM
I've heard Black Sabbath (the song) floated around as one of the tracks. =;
come on. dig deeper. Lord Of This World. Tomorrow's Dream. Symptom Of the Universe. stuff like that.
I could picture them putting out a great "Fairies Wear Boots"
also, though I'd take 'good' Sabbath over practically any other metal band any day of the week, I would argue that purely on a good vs. bad albums ratio, Deep Purple beats the hell out of Tony's Boys. I would love a Deep Purple cover one of these days - especially if it's a track from the underrated Rod Evans era.
I love Sabbath to bits but I have a hard time disagreeing with this. Purple in their prime is as essential as Sabbath. Hell I'd easily take Now What!? over 13 or Perpindicular over most of the Tony Martin output.
Melvins doing sabbath may not be as straight forward as you would be expecting, it could be fucked...you know what? I'm counting on them to fuck shit up like only the Melvins could.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 06, 2018, 10:36:46 PM
Melvins doing sabbath may not be as straight forward as you would be expecting, it could be fucked...you know what? I'm counting on them to fuck shit up like only the Melvins could.
remember Dogs And Cattle Prods? that was like Led Zep 3 put in a blender with a sheet of acid. :mrgreen:
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19269.msg492464#msg492464 (http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19269.msg492464#msg492464)
Surely everyone's aware of this old cover??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2arumaiPc
Yeah, back when I was first getting into the band I heard that, It sounds like it's from a rehearsal that got recorded.
It was on a tape I made a million years ago for my drummer, trying to get him into the Melvins...he really loved one or two tracks at least, Like ever since my accident, the part where Buzz goes
YEAAAUUUHHH!!! with crazy drums and guitar solo at the end, The fast version just cracked him up because it's basically insane.
Was hoping Into the Void was one of the tracks because this shit here fuckin kills. It's in regular rotation for me. How they slow it down and the groove...something about it. The only other Sabbath cover that comes close is the EP THOU put out. All Sabbath covers. It's some of the heaviest shit I've ever heard. If y'all haven't heard it check it out.
https://youtu.be/8m0QcEv2xwU
Sabbath are both overrated and underrated IMO. I think the best album is the first one where they have no idea what they're doing and its just weird & dark extremely heavy white man blues. Even the proggy 10 minute guitar solo is kind of good!
Paranoid is pretty much untouchable. There's limits to the musicianship, I guess, but the songs and the sound and the sequencing are perfect.
That said, I don't need covers of those songs so anything Sabbath the Melvins choose to do is great by me. I sort of half expect a weird interpretation like Buick McKane or that one split single they only half learned (was it the Velvet Underground, or KISS).
But I also think with Al it's likely to be heavy and dark which is a great thing.
What's toshi's IG handle? Can't seem to find it
Quote from: vince furnier on September 06, 2018, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 06, 2018, 10:36:46 PM
Melvins doing sabbath may not be as straight forward as you would be expecting, it could be fucked...you know what? I'm counting on them to fuck shit up like only the Melvins could.
remember Dogs And Cattle Prods? that was like Led Zep 3 put in a blender with a sheet of acid. :mrgreen:
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19269.msg492464#msg492464 (http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19269.msg492464#msg492464)
ah, that song was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZnG8-fgc8&feature=youtu.be
I wish Al had used his typical Om voice for this instead of an Ozzy-like impression but oh well. As covers go it was decent.
is Al singing?
This does not disappoint. The second movement is epic. I love " you bastards" in the background or whatever he yells. Can't wait to hear song #2.
Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2018, 12:17:47 PM
is Al singing?
Yeah. Some Buzz here and there too.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 09, 2018, 01:52:50 PM
I love " you bastards" in the background
That's clearly Buzz saying that bit i think. The second song on the release is 'Black Sabbath'.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 09, 2018, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2018, 12:17:47 PM
is Al singing?
Yeah. Some Buzz here and there too.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 09, 2018, 01:52:50 PM
I love " you bastards" in the background
That's clearly Buzz saying that bit i think. The second song on the release is 'Black Sabbath'.
excited to hear the song Black Sabbath!
the play it slower! these guys know what they're doing
wood love an lp with al.
Quote from: glen on August 30, 2018, 09:48:23 AM
a small part of me is surprised anyone from MELVINS was interested in covering a Black Sabbath song.
but then again.. the almighty dollar is highly motivational. this will sell like wildfire.
I'm sure Buzz likes Black Sabbath more than he wants to admit.They've already done Black Sabbath covers and not for the dollah.
For all his talk of the Stones, Beatles and the importance of the classics there's no way he doesn't respect the founding fathers of heavy metal.
He just doesn't want to show it much.
They just don't worship them like, say, Sleep do.
He just has to say his contrarian thing every time, come on it's Buzz.
Of course has to mention they were more into Black Flag than Black Sabbath so people don't go thinking they were ripping off Black Sabbath when they built their sound, because that's not what happened, they grew from another scene. He doesn't want anyone building obvious false connections.
Regarding Ozzy he just obviously thinks his life decisions weren't that wise, but that's personal.
That's all there is to it.
Quote from: Justafilthylurker on September 09, 2018, 05:48:18 PM
the play it slower! these guys know what they're doing
reminds me of their Moving Sidewalks version of Hold Your Hand how it struggles through the scale changes.
QuoteOf course has to mention they were more into Black Flag than Black Sabbath so people don't go thinking they were ripping off Black Sabbath when they built their sound
Based on their early stuff, I don't see how one could see more Sabbath than BF in their sound.
Quote from: glen on September 10, 2018, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: Justafilthylurker on September 09, 2018, 05:48:18 PM
the play it slower! these guys know what they're doing
reminds me of their Moving Sidewalks version of Hold Your Hand how it struggles through the scale changes.
agreed
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on September 08, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
Paranoid is pretty much untouchable. There's limits to the musicianship, I guess, but the songs and the sound and the sequencing are perfect.
That said, I don't need covers of those songs so anything Sabbath the Melvins choose to do is great by me. I sort of half expect a weird interpretation like Buick McKane or that one split single they only half learned (was it the Velvet Underground, or KISS).
But I also think with Al it's likely to be heavy and dark which is a great thing.
I picked up a few years ago, a newly released double LP of a 60's band called "Iron Maiden" (NO CONNECTION TO THE 80's IRON MAIDEN)
They were from the same time and place Just never put out a full release and had all these Acetates that never got played, the band basically didn't make it out of the 60's and went through many lineup and name changes in the mid 60's.
So Honestly? Where did sabbath get some of their influence? IMO check into the Original Iron Maiden band and you'll see where they got some ideas for songs like NIB for example and drew more from Occult subject matter.
also, my friend played me the Melvins Cover of Sabbath Bloody sabbath, it took me a minute to figure it out. The whole thing had more of a St. Vitus vibe or sleep or something.
I listened to it for the first time last night. I have no idea what happened. kindle must've glitched out. first 2 times I could barely hear the vocals, bass or drums. sounded like some weird noise rock. I thought wow, this is brave. then on the 3rd listen it played for real with all the proper levels and I was a little disappointed. not great. not bad. kinda bland. I think it'll grow on me.
Now i want to see Sabbath do a Melvins cover!
Quote from: jules on September 09, 2018, 11:45:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZnG8-fgc8&feature=youtu.be
YES!!! Praise IOMMI!
It's been interesting purveying the polarizing opinions of listeners on Instagram and the video itself. With anything like this it also makes for good reading seeing where each person comes from on something like this. People who are either more fans of Melvins or fans of Sleep and judging accordingly.
Sorry Melvins. I don't care much for the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath cover. I've never been a fan of Al's monotone. Maybe the track will grow on me...
no one can top the Ozzy - Speak Of The Devil live version, sorry everyone (including Sabbath). :twisted:
listening again, love it!
I get the Sabbath worship and everything but I am thoroughly sick of this tone. The drums sound like cardboard at this point and I feel like Buzz's guitar work is the same on every single track they put out.
Quote from: Oscar on September 17, 2018, 05:21:59 AM
I get the Sabbath worship and everything but I am thoroughly sick of this tone. The drums sound like cardboard at this point and I feel like Buzz's guitar work is the same on every single track they put out.
Crystal Fairy did have the most variety in riffs, sounds, taxtures.
Quote from: meezer on September 17, 2018, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: Oscar on September 17, 2018, 05:21:59 AM
I get the Sabbath worship and everything but I am thoroughly sick of this tone. The drums sound like cardboard at this point and I feel like Buzz's guitar work is the same on every single track they put out.
Crystal Fairy did have the most variety in riffs, sounds, taxtures.
True.
http://loudwire.com/cover-stories-black-sabbath-sabbath-bloody-sabbath/
To be fair with the Crystal Fairy stuff they probably put more effort into that given the commercial potential of the project.
Quote from: Bigval on September 19, 2018, 12:46:57 AM
To be fair with the Crystal Fairy stuff they probably put more effort into that given the commercial potential of the project.
From a musician's/ songwriter's POV, I see it more as a thing where you shift instrumentation around to fit the personnel. Buzz plays low end riffs when he sings these days. His voice has gotten deeper with age, as happens with all vocalists. He plays deep riffs when he sings, but playing with a female vocalist, he started to shift things around to fit her voice better . That created a better flow from song to song throughout the entire album. Add in the fact that there was a keyboard on a lot of those songs and that pushed things around even further. If you strip out Teri from that album it sounds more like Ozma than anything they've done in a decade.
Now look, Just a thought (Because all the griping is really irritating after years of constant bitching) would you rather HAVE NO SABBATH COVERS BY MELVINS? OR WHAT?
Man, these guys could have retired a looonnng time ago, like before the end of the 90's ok?
Here's an idea: How about YOU take some of your hard earned dollars into the studio and put out your own Sabbath covers and see if Your recordings can hold any water.
Straight up man, if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Straight up man, if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
ehm, Dumpster... this a discussion forum. The whole point of this place is to express our ideas and opinions, not to keep those things just for ourselves.
Brandon Habermas Cheapy $5 CD?
Thomas Hazelmyer thats the plan
Quote from: Stonergrunge on September 19, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Straight up man, if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
ehm, Dumpster... this a discussion forum. The whole point of this place is to express our ideas and opinions, not to keep those things just for ourselves.
on a *FAN* forum!
people seem to forget they are fans, not critics. Case in point, we're lucky to still have a band like this, it's incredible...absolutely.
Who said the drums sound like cardboard on this recording..Meezer? Dammit :lol: what in the hell are you listening to it through, are you kidding? It's heavy and punishing, listen to that snare!
As far as a band making it on their own terms, this is a true victory lap for them to put this out...Something is better than nothing, It's good for them to cash in a little and kick back a bit after the trials and experiences they've been through over the years.
Personally I'd have given up playing music by now if I kept hearing people talking shit about it. That's me and I'm Just a total baby then.
Couple other sabbath covers by other bands, you know what? Both these bands still sound like themselves covering sabbath. Melvins sound like themselves, that's one important thing to note about this particular cover...it's got over 91,000 Views already, so that's a really amazing thing considering there's a marginal hardcore fan base for the band that's probably under 20,000 people. They are bringing their music into a broader market with a different grain of perspective, people might overlook the band until they hear something by them that is familiar, then they might stop and take a second look at something else the band has put out that they would otherwise dismiss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NiUbirhPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFtjxB6DYCw
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
Who said the drums sound like cardboard on this recording..Meezer?
Quote from: Oscar on September 17, 2018, 05:21:59 AM
The drums sound like cardboard at this point
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Just seeing if you were paying attention is all. 8-[
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
Just seeing if you were paying attention is all. 8-[
:lol:
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on September 19, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Straight up man, if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
ehm, Dumpster... this a discussion forum. The whole point of this place is to express our ideas and opinions, not to keep those things just for ourselves.
on a *FAN* forum!
people seem to forget they are fans, not critics.
I don't think anyone here sees themselves as a critic. We are all fans that discuss what we like and what we don't. I know a place such as this will attract a range of different people. Some will be long time hardcore Melvins devotees, some will be casual fans, some may be disenchanted former enthusiasts, some may have only just discovered the band. All these different types of people are music fans and all have a voice. This place should be for all to voice what they think whether it is overwhelmingly positive or generally more critical.
As i see it, you are a very fervent supporter of all things Melvins and that's perfectly fine. Im not expecting or asking you to be otherwise but you can't demand that everyone else follows suit. You can't dictate that this place should be where everyone is 100% positive about EVERYTHING Melvins 100% of the time. That's just not real. I agree wholeheartedly with Stonergrunge, we should ALL be able to talk here about what our ideas and opinions are. There's room for all that. For all perspectives along the spectrum. It's not a sterile, boring, nodding in agreement environment and thank-god it's not.
Good points on all sides, nice discussion gents!
I like Dumpsters idea about the difference between fans and critics and also Ian's point that we definitely do not want a stale, only one opinion counts, type of forum.
Ian, have you ever been to a melvins concert?
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 21, 2018, 02:48:32 AM
Ian, have you ever been to a melvins concert?
I would imagine you know i haven't.
If im reading your train of thought there correctly, i see what you are saying, but i don't think live comes into it when we are talking about RECORDED work. As Buzz himself says those are two different things. If someone was to say they didn't like a certain song that isn't a reflection on the band themselves or them as a live act, merely that song in itself.
For example - as comical as this sounds lets run with it - let's say there was a band that always put on really great, fun shows but their albums were pretty bad or lackluster. Would that mean their recorded work gets a free pass purely on their ability to put on a fun show? Or what about the opposite - is a band that made fantastic albums a bad band if their live performances are drab or unrepresentative?
But back to Melvins, if seeing a band live is the only barometer of their greatness or otherwise, what about the members here who have indeed seen Melvins live countless times (probably more than yourself!) yet they still deem certain parts of their discography as poor or even terrible? Do their opinions still count for nothing?
I'll never understand the outraged reactions to any negative comment on the band's output.
That's like me sitting here and getting flustered about somebody liking this song that I happen to dislike.
I've been listening to the Melvins for decades, been on this forum for a number of years and lurked here for many years before that.
I have totaled maybe 5 posts critiquing the Melvins, all of them in my opinion pushing a point of discussion forward despite my dislikes or turn-offs.
No, I don't want them to return to the early 90s when things were better. They weren't.
No, I don't want them to be HEAVIER and turn up the amps and go back to the Les Paul and play slower. The heaviness of this band has nothing to do with distortion or loudness.
Every single time I say anything that doesn't equate to me loving whatever the band is doing, some grumpy dude jumps up with the "APPRECIATE IT OR GET OUT" mindset. That is absolute bullshit to me and decidedly un-Melvins in ethos as well.
As people have pointed out, this is a discussion forum. So as long as I'm interested, I will keep discussing and that also includes things that aren't so great.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
would you rather HAVE NO SABBATH COVERS BY MELVINS? OR WHAT?
I'd be ok with that, yeah.
Like most good bands the Melvins don't give a fuck what we think, and thank god for that \:D/
Quote from: deatheats on September 21, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Like most good bands the Melvins don't give a fuck what we think, and thank god for that \:D/
*as long as it's nice.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 21, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: deatheats on September 21, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Like most good bands the Melvins don't give a fuck what we think, and thank god for that \:D/
*as long as it's nice.
as usual the bUTTHOLEmAN knows his shit.
Quote from: Oscar on September 21, 2018, 06:13:52 AM
I'll never understand the outraged reactions to any negative comment on the band's output.
That's like me sitting here and getting flustered about somebody liking this song that I happen to dislike.
I've been listening to the Melvins for decades, been on this forum for a number of years and lurked here for many years before that.
I have totaled maybe 5 posts critiquing the Melvins, all of them in my opinion pushing a point of discussion forward despite my dislikes or turn-offs.
No, I don't want them to return to the early 90s when things were better. They weren't.
No, I don't want them to be HEAVIER and turn up the amps and go back to the Les Paul and play slower. The heaviness of this band has nothing to do with distortion or loudness.
Every single time I say anything that doesn't equate to me loving whatever the band is doing, some grumpy dude jumps up with the "APPRECIATE IT OR GET OUT" mindset. That is absolute bullshit to me and decidedly un-Melvins in ethos as well.
As people have pointed out, this is a discussion forum. So as long as I'm interested, I will keep discussing and that also includes things that aren't so great.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
would you rather HAVE NO SABBATH COVERS BY MELVINS? OR WHAT?
I'd be ok with that, yeah.
Agree with every word. Though maybe it isn't as "un-Melvins" as one would think considering what was going on here after Bulls and the Bees came out...
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 21, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: deatheats on September 21, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Like most good bands the Melvins don't give a fuck what we think, and thank god for that \:D/
*as long as it's nice.
Heh, kinda true.
I should have said, nothing we say is impacting what the Melvins decide to record next.
Quote from: Oscar on September 21, 2018, 06:13:52 AM
I'll never understand the outraged reactions to any negative comment on the band's output.
That's like me sitting here and getting flustered about somebody liking this song that I happen to dislike.
I've been listening to the Melvins for decades, been on this forum for a number of years and lurked here for many years before that.
I have totaled maybe 5 posts critiquing the Melvins, all of them in my opinion pushing a point of discussion forward despite my dislikes or turn-offs.
No, I don't want them to return to the early 90s when things were better. They weren't.
No, I don't want them to be HEAVIER and turn up the amps and go back to the Les Paul and play slower. The heaviness of this band has nothing to do with distortion or loudness.
Every single time I say anything that doesn't equate to me loving whatever the band is doing, some grumpy dude jumps up with the "APPRECIATE IT OR GET OUT" mindset. That is absolute bullshit to me and decidedly un-Melvins in ethos as well.
As people have pointed out, this is a discussion forum. So as long as I'm interested, I will keep discussing and that also includes things that aren't so great.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
would you rather HAVE NO SABBATH COVERS BY MELVINS? OR WHAT?
I'd be ok with that, yeah.
Are you Just having a bad week or something?
I would be less ok with the band quitting and retiring than catering to criticism, outrage is hardly the word...Annoyed I would say, and if you don't understand it..There's nothing anyone can do to help you. It's not just you personally giving me a headache, it's a lot of people over the years coming down on this band where they need to STFU already and be grateful this band is still kicking ass. I'm tired of it. No one comes close to being as good as this band in so many magical ways.
Your name is oscar, yet *I'M* the grouch? What *do* you want from this band? what will satisfy you and make you happy then? sincerely!
Tell you what, explain in greater detail how the drums sound like cardboard, It's Just a Jaded Critique to me. If you're going to rip on this band don't do it with half your ass.
I could listen to it a few more times and give you an idea of where this was recorded and what microphones were possibly used etc, what cymbals and kit were used.
It doesn't sound like it was done in their usual space.
What was your expectation of this cover before you listened? Hey, Tell me something- you played it straight off a smart phone didn't you?
PS. Ian, I've been through a few trials trying to get to see the band live a few times. Imagine what these guys have gone through playing thousands of shows all over the world, how hard these guys work, and how incredible and inspiring and rare and special that is?
Dumpster D... :-k :-k hhhmmm...... D.... Dumpster DALE. OH MY GOD!!! :idea: :idea: it's all so obvious now. :D
Glen...smoking banana peels again eh?
I have a very vivid imagination. O:)
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 19, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Are you Just having a bad week or something?
I would be less ok with the band quitting and retiring than catering to criticism, outrage is hardly the word...Annoyed I would say, and if you don't understand it..There's nothing anyone can do to help you. It's not just you personally giving me a headache, it's a lot of people over the years coming down on this band where they need to STFU already and be grateful this band is still kicking ass. I'm tired of it. No one comes close to being as good as this band in so many magical ways.
Your name is oscar, yet *I'M* the grouch? What *do* you want from this band? what will satisfy you and make you happy then? sincerely!
Tell you what, explain in greater detail how the drums sound like cardboard, It's Just a Jaded Critique to me. If you're going to rip on this band don't do it with half your ass.
I could listen to it a few more times and give you an idea of where this was recorded and what microphones were possibly used etc, what cymbals and kit were used.
It doesn't sound like it was done in their usual space.
What was your expectation of this cover before you listened? Hey, Tell me something- you played it straight off a smart phone didn't you?
PS. Ian, I've been through a few trials trying to get to see the band live a few times. Imagine what these guys have gone through playing thousands of shows all over the world, how hard these guys work, and how incredible and inspiring and rare and special that is?
Ok how about you reign in the youtube comment section energy and let us have a discussion.
I'm aware that you don't track my posts, but we have discussed gripes with their current sound on here a whole lot and didn't think I need to roll out the whole thing again to get my point across. I played this song on my sound system like I do every time, the fact that you worked yourself up into some kind of "
you kids and your phones" tangent is hilarious. Especially considering that most of us first listened to this on Youtube. I'm sure it all sounds extra crisp when played through your superior hi-fi.
The drums on this Sabbath record sound bland and tinny to me. It might be the kit, it might be the engineering, it might be the mix. I'm not about to A/B it for you with a record that I like, because we are arguing over arbitrary factors - all I said, and am still saying, is that I am tired of this tone. I don't care if this was recorded somewhere other than Sound Of Sirens, I just think that the sound, mix and sometimes studio performance has been quite uninspired lately. Cisneros' vocals on this have been discussed previously, I agree in that he is not at all helping the already pretty tired delivery of this song. I love that the Melvins do what they want, that's what makes them THEM, but if what they want right now is dad rock, then I guess that aspect is not for me.
Does this mean I think that the Melvins don't kick ass? No.
Does this mean I don't respect the fact that they're one of the most phenomenal bands of this (and the last) century? Fuck no.
Does the fact that they're phenomenal and have been around for a long time mean that I'll nod and agree with everything that comes out? Even if I don't like it? Ask yourself.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 21, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
What *do* you want from this band? what will satisfy you and make you happy then? sincerely!
I don't "want" anything. They're my favourite band, always have been. They don't owe me things. It's art, and it's theirs to make.
Also, keep in mind that I'm not saying anything on here to convince the band to change their ways. All I'm doing (and I can't believe I'm still breaking this part down) is COMMENTING ON THE SONG IN THE DAMN THREAD THAT WAS STARTED FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SONG.
I happen to not like it. I happen to be over their style of production and feel like they're plateauing. I'm good on Sabbath and especially Stones covers. My week has been great, I just have an opinion and was apparently mistaken that this is the place to express it.
PS: How is not liking something being grouchy? Doesn't Buzz himself shit on pretty much everything? And you love him for it?
This is gold.
Actually a friend played this tune through his Iphone for me, It took me awhile to guess who actually.
I played it a second time on my Monitor and PA system, My Superior Hi-fi is broken to be honest.
Here's a thought.
Put on a display at an art gallery.. lets say it's your rendering of a famous painting by a classic artist in particular because you're already a well known artist inside of a community...
It's an opening night and here you are. a minute goes by, someone walks up to one of your paintings and starts critiquing your work all of a sudden other people chime in and start pointing out what they feel is wrong with your work and then Just walk away. It's like, What are you doing HERE in the first place looking at my painting if you don't like it? :?
Within reason, what gives you the right to Judge what someone else is doing for a living?
What would you have them do if it was up to you?
Oh, yeah no more Sabbath covers...ok you can live with that? But what more can they do for you? what DO you want then, you still haven't expressed what they should be doing in your opinion. You have NO idea what's coming down the line in the future based on this one cover song do you?
An art gallery is something very different from a discussion forum, D. I really hope that is understood otherwise we won't reach any kind of anything here.
Your example equates more to going to a Melvins show and heckling them from the pit screaming about how lame that Sabbath cover was.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 21, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
Oh, yeah no more Sabbath covers...ok you can live with that? But what more can they do for you? what DO you want then, you still haven't expressed what they should be doing in your opinion. You have NO idea what's coming down the line in the future based on this one cover song do you?
Jeez man, you asked the question on the Sabbath covers and I said I'm good on it. I'm also good on a rumored Stones cover EP. It's just my damn opinion, how has this got you so tight? There is nothing to be expected or wanted from a band, I only commented on one song. You asked about them not doing covers at all and I (half-jokingly) said I could live without it.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 21, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
PS. Ian, I've been through a few trials trying to get to see the band live a few times. Imagine what these guys have gone through playing thousands of shows all over the world, how hard these guys work, and how incredible and inspiring and rare and special that is?
Oh exactly i agree. Honestly i really do, it IS special. As i mentioned a couple of days ago, it is special to get new releases too even when i don't much like some of them. But don't forget lots of bands go through all sorts of things. Not all of those bands are great bands or put out awesome records. Graft and passion is one thing and to be commended of course but it's all about the outcome. That is all that matters in any artistic field. Not what goes into it but what comes out the other side. That is what it stands or falls by and nothing else. On it's own merits.
Quote from: Oscar on September 21, 2018, 04:56:45 PM
An art gallery is something very different from a discussion forum, D. I really hope that is understood otherwise we won't reach any kind of anything here.
Your example equates more to going to a Melvins show and heckling them from the pit screaming about how lame that Sabbath cover was.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 21, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
Oh, yeah no more Sabbath covers...ok you can live with that? But what more can they do for you? what DO you want then, you still haven't expressed what they should be doing in your opinion. You have NO idea what's coming down the line in the future based on this one cover song do you?
Jeez man, you asked the question on the Sabbath covers and I said I'm good on it. I'm also good on a rumored Stones cover EP. It's just my damn opinion, how has this got you so tight? There is nothing to be expected or wanted from a band, I only commented on one song. You asked about them not doing covers at all and I (half-jokingly) said I could live without it.
now I'M the one criticizing YOU...Well maybe you can tell me something then, how does it feel?
That being said, ok... I talk a lot of negative shit on this forum in general. I admit.
It's tough to try and make a living on your own using your creativity, so I duno maybe negative shit does inspire in some ways to use that and keep going.
I really can't say, It's probably best to ignore it or pretty soon you'd be through with life already in your head.
I can understand not wanting to hurt someone's feelings, but does that over-ride someone's actual opinion? There's a difference between 'your dirty music sucks, and so does your mom', and I liked the band during these years, but not these, and this sounds bad to me, because of x and y and z.
Doesn't it seem strange to only want to hear mindless compliments about a band, disregarding the actual content or subject matter?
I'm pretty inspired to hear this track and the artwork is Killer...It's one of the coolest Haze Lino cuts I've seen, It's really a special thing, Sabbath is one of those sacred magical things for me personally.
Sabbath bloody sabbath is one of those Albums that has been there for me in life at some rough points, possibly the greatest sabbath album IMO.
There's been a few nights I've gone for walks with this Album playing. It's a total game changer of a record.
Why they chose to do this now after all the other bands did it a lot earlier in their career points has me wondering, considering when they themselves, were into this music at a time when it had really gone out in the 90's.
Does this song have some special place in the bands hearts and minds? or was it Just a choice everyone could agree on?
Anyway, go ahead and dislike it, no big deal then.
What's the song about?
It's about deep stuff Buttholeman...you wouldn't understand. :P
So Can we all skip ahead and start calling them sellouts yet? [-X
So when is this thing coming out?
At least 4 variants
Saw a quote from Haze on insta that it would be available as a cheap CD. Please tell me someone else saw that. [-o<
Quote from: meezer on September 22, 2018, 11:03:46 AM
Saw a quote from Haze on insta that it would be available as a cheap CD.
I'll wait till it's on an Ipecac CD with approximately 11 other songs!!
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 22, 2018, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: meezer on September 22, 2018, 11:03:46 AM
Saw a quote from Haze on insta that it would be available as a cheap CD.
I'll wait till it's on an Ipecac CD with approximately 11 other songs!!
eheh
If you ignore all other factors, this release is a gift from the divine for the simple mathematical fact:
Dale Crover > All Drummers {Bill Ward, drummer2, drummer3, ...}
(https://scontent.fccp2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42568193_10156479250937040_5012489853934239744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&oh=35f6faf4a1afea5d52872ee14d783fce&oe=5C1FC3AA)
Sunday at noon. No word about a CD yet.
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath on Side B
Can't spoil the A side.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 26, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
Can't spoil the A side.
I've said twice in this thread what is on side A.
Noon central?
I know we already technically know what it is, but I'd love it if they'd follow up "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" with a curveball track most people wouldn't care about (even moreso than "Fluff", at least that's Ozzy-era), like "Headless Cross", "Trashed", or "No Stranger to Love"
Missed out. First tried the blood red one, that was sold out, then had the pink one in my cart, but while on PayPal it said that one was also sold out. I'm not a fan of the Love and Death soundtrack, the book and the bluray are interesting but I don't want to pay that amount of money for just those items and the artwork. I'll buy the cd's next time something comes up to save shipping costs, I'm sure there are plenty of those.
Managed to get a set. Sold out fucking quickly. Hopefully there'll be another chance to snag it later, Alex.
RED EDITION: Red ink on sleeve & clear vinyl with red & black splatters.
BLOOD RED EDITION: Dark red ink on sleeve & blood red & black haze vinyl.
FLUORESCENT RED EDITION: Day-Glo fluorescent red ink on sleeve with black & red pinwheel vinyl.
PINK EDITION: Pink ink on the front cover & gray/mono ink on the back. Vinyl is black with white stripe in the middle.
CD - $5
Tried for the set. PayPal password was being a dick. Missed out
got a fluorescent one!
they went between 1-3 minutes...
them poor sleep stoners...
also the red was 200 the other 3 100 copies each.
Missed it too, in PayPal cart...oh well
FLUORESCENT RED EDITION :ohsnap:
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 30, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
them poor sleep stoners...
That's probably why it went even faster than usual. Wasn't just us nerds watching.
Way she goes boys.
First got the red version in my cart, proceeded to Paypal checkout, but it was sold out before I could confirm the order.
I frantically went back and clicked the other editions, managed to buy the ugly Oreo edition with Barbie ink cover.
Can't really complain since I got a copy, but it's pretty shitty how you can snag orders from otheres while they still have it in their cart.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on September 30, 2018, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 30, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
them poor sleep stoners...
That's probably why it went even faster than usual. Wasn't just us nerds watching.
I usually don't line up for limited Melvins records, there's simply too much to keep up with. But a Melvins/Sleep Sabbath-cover collab? Too good to pass on. I love Sleep as much as Melvins, so that definitely played a role.
Only got the Sabbath cheapy CD, but was able to grab a soundtrack/film vinyl before they sold out again.
That makes no fuckin sense if you can snag shit out of someone's Cart...Someone Literally Did that once to me in a Value Village...it ruins your day.
I swear to god that's total bullshit, who programmed that fuckin' shit to do that? WTF?
Not like I even bothered trying to get anything ever, but it still makes no sense.
I bought the cheapy CD and 5 other titles in the same category. I don't know how you think it's someone else's cart. Just pay and GTFO. Once I've gotten it in the cart, I've always gone right to PayPal and scored it. =;
Nothing triple priced on eBay yet... :shock:
I completely forgot about this until now :lol:
The CD is still available so that's great.
I was alert this time around and I got a set
:ohsnap:
Quote from: meezer on September 30, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
I bought the cheapy CD and 5 other titles in the same category. I don't know how you think it's someone else's cart. Just pay and GTFO. Once I've gotten it in the cart, I've always gone right to PayPal and scored it. =;
how do people know to be there at the right time who aren't part of this forum?
Social Media
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 30, 2018, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: meezer on September 30, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
I bought the cheapy CD and 5 other titles in the same category. I don't know how you think it's someone else's cart. Just pay and GTFO. Once I've gotten it in the cart, I've always gone right to PayPal and scored it. =;
how do people know to be there at the right time who aren't part of this forum?
I saw the Shoxop sale info posted in the sleep group a couple of times and on weedian Instagram page. We had way more competition in the checkout process this time around than normal. As I saw someone post somewhere before, don't remember who but as the saying goes "in yo cart not in yo hands".
I missed this by a few hours but if I didn't know from various pages and groups on FB and feeds on Instagram I would have seen this.
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 30, 2018, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: meezer on September 30, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
I bought the cheapy CD and 5 other titles in the same category. I don't know how you think it's someone else's cart. Just pay and GTFO. Once I've gotten it in the cart, I've always gone right to PayPal and scored it. =;
how do people know to be there at the right time who aren't part of this forum?
Haze announced the date and the time of the sale on Facebook.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on September 30, 2018, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on September 30, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
them poor sleep stoners...
That's probably why it went even faster than usual. Wasn't just us nerds watching.
Yeah, it was crazy how quickly this one sold out. I had a blood red in my cart, but it was gone when I went to check out. Tried for blood red, put it in ym cart, and then that was sold, too- all in less than two minutes! Still, at least the cd as available. A record would have been nice, but a slong as I can get a physical copy in some format, I'm happy.
I'm Dumbfounded how someone can be so quick on the draw? whats the Trick to having the faster reaction time under the 2 minute mark???
The heart pounding tension would break a lesser spirit. :lol:
I've won Ebay Auctions at the last second and outbid some Sharks in my day to the point where a victory Glass is toasted to good fortune...it's a double on the rocks, always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2CD0hn1hY
(bumping Tobias)
That's probably the closest I've ever seen Buzz to having 'normal' hair post-Jewfro days
Cheapy CD arrived today. Running time looks like long single. Saving the first listen for when I'm in the car with no kids.
(https://ibb.co/eAeAb9)
I was skeptical of the selection for song 2. I was wrong. :shock:
Quote from: meezer on October 07, 2018, 02:15:41 PM
I was skeptical of the selection for song 2. I was wrong. :shock:
Care to fill us In?
Quote from: Dumpster D on October 07, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
Quote from: meezer on October 07, 2018, 02:15:41 PM
I was skeptical of the selection for song 2. I was wrong. :shock:
Care to fill us In?
Number one clue. I put the CD in. Two tracks. 18:11 running time. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is 7:15. :toke:
Yep, "Black Sabbath," track two, is the main event. It recalls epic covers like "Sacrifice" in feel and "Station to Station" in scope/ambition. Al sings. Dale drums. Amps rattle.
Very happy to have the cheapy CD. Both tracks kill, track 1 wins by a slight margin. Haze's mailorder is top notch of late. I order something, it's in my mailbox in 2 days, from MN to WNY.
That's what I'm talkin' bout. You know it.
I should Join the Amrep Subscription, And get em' to subscribe right to my door. 8) 8) 8)
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
I think they picked Sabbath for this collab because it was discovered at rehearsal that Al only knows Sabbath songs.
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:12:05 PM
I think they picked Sabbath for this collab because it was discovered at rehearsal that Al only knows Sabbath songs.
Im surprised they chose 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' though. Al has mentioned loads of times how he considers the first FOUR Sabbath albums as being important to him. Vol 4 in particular and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (the album) which came after that.
That's the one song post-first-four that people always give a free pass to (or just forget isn't on Master of Reality or something). If they're feeling generous they'll also give one to "Symptom of the Universe" (while specifying that the second half of the song is, like, gay as fuck doood)
Quote from: DToxico on October 09, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
That's the one song post-first-four that people always give a free pass to (or just forget isn't on Master of Reality or something). If they're feeling generous they'll also give one to "Symptom of the Universe" (while specifying that the second half of the song is, like, gay as fuck doood)
I've actually never encountered anyone so entrenched in stoner rock retardation that they think SBS and Sabotage suck. I knew some punk rock dude who hated everything after Master of Reality, but he also hated Melvins and thought NOFX and Rancid were amazing.
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:12:05 PM
I think they picked Sabbath for this collab because it was discovered at rehearsal that Al only knows Sabbath songs.
Im surprised they chose 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' though. Al has mentioned loads of times how he considers the first FOUR Sabbath albums as being important to him. Vol 4 in particular and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (the album) which came after that.
Al's not totally retarded. I'm sure he enjoys the post-Vol 4 stuff, he's just not personally influenced by them I'd imagine
Quote from: hemispheres on October 11, 2018, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: DToxico on October 09, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
That's the one song post-first-four that people always give a free pass to (or just forget isn't on Master of Reality or something). If they're feeling generous they'll also give one to "Symptom of the Universe" (while specifying that the second half of the song is, like, gay as fuck doood)
I've actually never encountered anyone so entrenched in stoner rock retardation that they think SBS and Sabotage suck. I knew some punk rock dude who hated everything after Master of Reality, but he also hated Melvins and thought NOFX and Rancid were amazing.
Believe it or not I have. Something about them getting 'too prog', meh.
Though that's still better than the prog/power-metal assholes I've known who solemnly swear with a straight face that all Sabbath other than the three Dio albums is unlistenable neanderthal-music (because TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE, SQUIDWARD!) and have this weird sense of superiority and self-importance as a metal fan based around the fact that they "see through" the early Sabbath stuff and think it sucks. I wish I could say I've only met one person like that but that's sadly not the case.
Quote from: DToxico on October 11, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: hemispheres on October 11, 2018, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: DToxico on October 09, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
That's the one song post-first-four that people always give a free pass to (or just forget isn't on Master of Reality or something). If they're feeling generous they'll also give one to "Symptom of the Universe" (while specifying that the second half of the song is, like, gay as fuck doood)
I've actually never encountered anyone so entrenched in stoner rock retardation that they think SBS and Sabotage suck. I knew some punk rock dude who hated everything after Master of Reality, but he also hated Melvins and thought NOFX and Rancid were amazing.
Believe it or not I have. Something about them getting 'too prog', meh.
Though that's still better than the prog/power-metal assholes I've known who solemnly swear with a straight face that all Sabbath other than the three Dio albums is unlistenable neanderthal-music (because TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE, SQUIDWARD!) and have this weird sense of superiority and self-importance as a metal fan based around the fact that they "see through" the early Sabbath stuff and think it sucks. I wish I could say I've only met one person like that but that's sadly not the case.
I knew a guy on Sputnikmusic who was like that. He listened to Dragonforce and Children of Bodum without a hint of irony
Quote from: hemispheres on October 11, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: DToxico on October 11, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: hemispheres on October 11, 2018, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: DToxico on October 09, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
That's the one song post-first-four that people always give a free pass to (or just forget isn't on Master of Reality or something). If they're feeling generous they'll also give one to "Symptom of the Universe" (while specifying that the second half of the song is, like, gay as fuck doood)
I've actually never encountered anyone so entrenched in stoner rock retardation that they think SBS and Sabotage suck. I knew some punk rock dude who hated everything after Master of Reality, but he also hated Melvins and thought NOFX and Rancid were amazing.
Believe it or not I have. Something about them getting 'too prog', meh.
Though that's still better than the prog/power-metal assholes I've known who solemnly swear with a straight face that all Sabbath other than the three Dio albums is unlistenable neanderthal-music (because TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE! TECHNIQUE, SQUIDWARD!) and have this weird sense of superiority and self-importance as a metal fan based around the fact that they "see through" the early Sabbath stuff and think it sucks. I wish I could say I've only met one person like that but that's sadly not the case.
I knew a guy on Sputnikmusic who was like that. He listened to Dragonforce and Children of Bodum without a hint of irony
Two of the dudes I'm talking about were Dream Theater fanboys who couldn't leave the house without wearing some piece of merch from them which says a lot, and I don't even dislike Dream Theater. When one of them also feels like hijacking a music class briefly covering Nirvana/Seattle's cultural impact for a thirty-minute soliloquy about how Kurt Cobain ruined all music forever because he "single-handedly killed the virtuoso by making it so you could become successful and validated as a rock musician even if you had no idea how to play guitar" then they also start to go on my shitlist though.
Prog-nerds are just a trip in general. One of the people I'm referring to would basically fly into a rage and kick off a dozens-of-pages internet flamewar anytime he saw Pink Floyd being referred to as progressive rock, and would go into this whole thing comparing individual bits and pieces of their songs to individual bits and pieces of Yes, Genesis, and King Crimson songs to show the difference between them and 'real' progressive rock and would get really, really worked up about it and how angry it made him that that mainstream bullshit Pink Floyd (which he maintained was "psychedelic funk-rock") was always getting lumped in with his superior subgenre. It was hilarious.
Some people have too much time on their hands.
I worked at a music store for about eight months and a good handful of the regulars were prog snobs or diehard Crimson fans.
There wasnt one I didnt want to punch in the face.
Then again the owner was also a brain-fried deadhead that was easily the most hateful hippie I've ever met. I've got stories of this guy to say the least. Also soured my opinion on deadheads as well.
Yeah, you run into people on the Rush fan forum who think music should never be more raw than Queensryche
On the opposite end of that, you've got the groove hounds who think odd time signatures are always pretentious. Music fans suck
We would actually run into this issue in the past in the band I'm in. Singer and guitarist were in camp bongwitch of sludge mountain, and the bassist/drummer (me) wanted to rewrite Voivod songs. We eventually matured
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on October 11, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Then again the owner was also a brain-fried deadhead that was easily the most HATEFUL HIPPY I've ever met.
The Savage Hippy - I bet he was real fucking nasty!
Someone upload the other track on YouTube. I'm about to buy the cd from amrep but I want to hear it now so someone get on that ASAP.
https://youtu.be/ALJsjn6_a5E
never heard this before
Anyone want to trade one for a Bash 17 10 inch?
Quote from: GiveMe45 on October 15, 2018, 11:16:15 PM
Anyone want to trade one for a Bash 17 10 inch?
Another 'affordable' version should be coming soon.
Quote from: Nizamark on October 15, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
https://youtu.be/ALJsjn6_a5E
never heard this before
Looks great!
Quote from: coodies on October 15, 2018, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on October 11, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Then again the owner was also a brain-fried deadhead that was easily the most HATEFUL HIPPY I've ever met.
The Savage Hippy - I bet he was real fucking nasty!
He claimed to have seen The Grateful Dead over 300 times and Jerry Garcias band over 150 times. Not sure if its legit but It Tastes Better Than The Truth ;)
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
Quote from: black stallion on October 28, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
It has some riffs from other Sabbath songs spliced in the middle. I can't remember which.
Quote from: black stallion on October 28, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
Yeah, it's definitely changed around somewhere or other. Unfortunately im not sure i like it that much. It sounds very disjointed.
Quote from: meezer on October 28, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 28, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
It has some riffs from other Sabbath songs spliced in the middle. I can't remember which.
yeah, i noticed that.. still wondering which song is that riff from... doesn't come to mind.also for a strange reason it doesn't seem Cisneros on vocals... his singing seems too good for being him :)
Quote from: black stallion on October 29, 2018, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: meezer on October 28, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 28, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
It has some riffs from other Sabbath songs spliced in the middle. I can't remember which.
yeah, i noticed that.. still wondering which song is that riff from... doesn't come to mind.also for a strange reason it doesn't seem Cisneros on vocals... his singing seems too good for being him :)
My CD arrived today, the other riff is from "Cornucopia".
Quote from: Stonergrunge on October 29, 2018, 01:45:58 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 29, 2018, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: meezer on October 28, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: black stallion on October 28, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 09, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Can anyone provide a link (or otherwise!) to hear the other track please?!! Super eager to hear it. 10 minutes+ long!!
listening now, is it just me or the version they play is different than the original song?
It has some riffs from other Sabbath songs spliced in the middle. I can't remember which.
yeah, i noticed that.. still wondering which song is that riff from... doesn't come to mind.also for a strange reason it doesn't seem Cisneros on vocals... his singing seems too good for being him :)
My CD arrived today, the other riff is from "Cornucopia".
ah Cornucopia! from Vol. 4! thanks
More Sabbath 10"s to be sold 6 January.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on December 30, 2018, 10:25:52 PM
More Sabbath 10"s to be sold 6 January.
Looks like some more Love & Death letterpress LPs might be on the way. too. Maybe for the tour?
Just heard this recently via cheapy CD and a good time as any to chime in. That version of "Black Sabbath" is wicked, like that a lot more than the cover of "SBS". The Cornucopia bit was a nice touch too.
Factory edition LPs on Shoxop......
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on January 06, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: jules on January 06, 2019, 12:18:17 PM
Factory edition LPs on Shoxop......
Sold Out!
Ha! Had the chance to place the order earlier today. Now, a few hrs later, they're all gone. Oh well, would have been cool to have on vinyl, but the CD is fine.
This singer ruined these covers.
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
No but his voice kinda fit what they were doing. Love Al's take on it.
I remember reading Dio saying something about Ozzy's vocal melody mostly following the guitar lines while he liked to be off on his own with his vocal tones. I really like some post-Ozzy Sabbath but definitely doesn't sound like the same band.
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
On the six Sabbath albums I own? Yes, he was.
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
Let me guess, you prefer Dio? Ozzy was the perfect fit for Sabbath.
Quote from: 119 on February 20, 2019, 07:44:22 AM
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
Let me guess, you prefer Dio? Ozzy was the perfect fit for Sabbath.
I think they were both perfect for Sabbath and their original eras (minus Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die - those albums are total stinkers). I can do without Dio singing Ozzy tunes as heard on Live Evil, but really their is enough room in the world for Ozzy Sabbath and Dio Sabbath. I just wish Rob Halford would have done some studio stuff with them.
Quote from: sadcorps on February 20, 2019, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 20, 2019, 07:44:22 AM
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
Let me guess, you prefer Dio? Ozzy was the perfect fit for Sabbath.
I think they were both perfect for Sabbath and their original eras (minus Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die - those albums are total stinkers). I can do without Dio singing Ozzy tunes as heard on Live Evil, but really their is enough room in the world for Ozzy Sabbath and Dio Sabbath. I just wish Rob Halford would have done some studio stuff with them.
Agree 100% on Halford Sabbath, that would have been amazing
Quote from: sadcorps on February 20, 2019, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 20, 2019, 07:44:22 AM
Quote from: meezer on February 01, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: 119 on February 01, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
This singer ruined these covers.
With that monotone voice singer might be a stretch. :lol:
Consider the source of the material. Was Ozzy some great singer?
Let me guess, you prefer Dio? Ozzy was the perfect fit for Sabbath.
I think they were both perfect for Sabbath and their original eras (minus Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die - those albums are total stinkers). I can do without Dio singing Ozzy tunes as heard on Live Evil, but really their is enough room in the world for Ozzy Sabbath and Dio Sabbath. I just wish Rob Halford would have done some studio stuff with them.
Agree with all of this except about Never Say Die; that kicks the hell out of half the Ozzy-Sabbath records. Technical Ecstasy is absolutely one of the worst things they ever recorded with any singer though.
Ozzy and Dio's styles were very different, and Live Evil illustrates that perfectly. Dio just sounds bored on the Ozzy songs, and it really hammers in what Geezer(?) said about how Ozzy was just following the guitar melodies while Dio was just forging his own vocal melodies.
Halford doing studio Sabbath stuff would have been amazing, but I'd even have settled for one more Ian Gillan album. So underrated.
I never got into Sabbath with Dio and much prefer Ozzy (and I think yes, he was a great singer),
but I can see other people liking it with him and I do agree there is enough room in the world for both.
Also agree with DToxico, Never Say Die wasn't bad at all and definitely not as bad as a lot of people paint it to be.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on February 26, 2019, 06:17:12 AM
I never got into Sabbath with Dio and much prefer Ozzy (and I think yes, he was a great singer),
but I can see other people liking it with him and I do agree there is enough room in the world for both.
Also agree with DToxico, Never Say Die wasn't bad at all and definitely not as bad as a lot of people paint it to be.
When I throw on Never Say Die, the only tune where I pick up the needle and skip past is Air Dance. What the hell is that crap? Sabbath's version of yacht rock/smooth jazz/fusion :merde:? :lol:
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Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on February 26, 2019, 06:17:12 AM
I never got into Sabbath with Dio and much prefer Ozzy (and I think yes, he was a great singer),
but I can see other people liking it with him and I do agree there is enough room in the world for both.
Also agree with DToxico, Never Say Die wasn't bad at all and definitely not as bad as a lot of people paint it to be.
When I throw on Never Say Die, the only tune where I pick up the needle and skip past is Air Dance. What the hell is that crap? Sabbath's version of yacht rock/smooth jazz/fusion :merde:? :lol:
I love Air Dance! I love 2 songs on Technical Ecstasy. I love Sabbath with Dio. If the first 3-5 Sabbath albums are all you like, fine, but not me man. :D
I might learn to like Technical Ecstasy eventually, but probably in an ironic way.
I never liked those synth sounds on any album, personal preference.
I've been told cocaine can be fine for drummers but it interferes with your ear's harmonic sense so anyone who needs to be melodic or harmonic (guitar, bass, keys, singers) should avoid it. Also lends to narcissistic confidence so you'll think you're untouchable and insist your ideas are good even when they're not.
It's the sound of the end of Ozzy era Sabbath to me.
and not The End?
tour only version for the coming US tour
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0s2VsnJx7q/?utm_source=ig_web_options_share_sheet
Quote from: buddy holiday on August 05, 2019, 11:31:10 AM
tour only version for the coming US tour
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0s2VsnJx7q/?utm_source=ig_web_options_share_sheet
Ooh, one more chance :shock:
I read over on the wiki page that Cisneros didn't play bass on this one. Just sang the vocals and that Steve was on bass duties. Is that correct? I just assumed the tracks featured Buzz, Dale and Al.
tonight, usual time, a couple of the melvins sabbath 10" are going up. apparently they found a small amount...
no hint as to anything else going up tonight.
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 27, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
I read over on the wiki page that Cisneros didn't play bass on this one. Just sang the vocals and that Steve was on bass duties. Is that correct? I just assumed the tracks featured Buzz, Dale and Al.
:shock: :lol:
Quote from: buddy holiday on March 21, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
tonight, usual time, a couple of the melvins sabbath 10" are going up. apparently they found a small amount...
no hint as to anything else going up tonight.
YES!
Quote from: vince furnier on March 21, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 27, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
I read over on the wiki page that Cisneros didn't play bass on this one. Just sang the vocals and that Steve was on bass duties. Is that correct? I just assumed the tracks featured Buzz, Dale and Al.
:shock: :lol:
:-k
Quote from: buddy holiday on March 21, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
tonight, usual time, a couple of the melvins sabbath 10" are going up. apparently they found a small amount...
no hint as to anything else going up tonight.
they are up now
Quote from: buddy holiday on March 21, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on March 21, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
tonight, usual time, a couple of the melvins sabbath 10" are going up. apparently they found a small amount...
no hint as to anything else going up tonight.
they are up now
It's a quiet day at the market today.
- saw the sabbath factory ver was like heyyyyyy lemme get 1
Snagged one! Thanks!
My copy is already out for delivery :shock:
Quote from: Jozzy on March 24, 2021, 08:22:08 AM
My copy is already out for delivery :shock:
Please send a tracking map if it ends up going via Miami and Anchorage. 😃
Got mine today. You can tell these sat around in an uncontrolled climate for 2-1/2 yrs. There's slight warpage - not wavy, but dished where you notice it visually on one side only. That said it didn't affect sound. Glad to have this on wax.
I did what I've done before with warped/dished LPs. Stack 75-100 lbs of free weights on the record evenly on a hard surfaced floor. Let it sit for a few weeks, then throw it on the turntable, fixed :). That worked for me w/ the infamously bad warpage on the 1st pressing of Nude With Boots(Ipecac).
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 27, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
I read over on the wiki page that Cisneros didn't play bass on this one. Just sang the vocals and that Steve was on bass duties. Is that correct? I just assumed the tracks featured Buzz, Dale and Al.
that would make sense in a way, because Steven plays with them constantly and Al only played with Dale in Shrinebuilder a decade ago. and these versions are not straight up album version arrangements. so there would be some rehearsals needed to et the material down with Al.
wonder who called Al for this collab, maybe Dale? :-k
it's back up
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-sabbath-10-factory-editions-black