New album!!
(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician.jpg?quality=80&w=806)
1. Stop Moving To Florida
2. Embrace The Rub
3. Don't Forget To Breathe
4. Flamboyant Duck
5. Break Bread
6. I Want To Hold Your Hand
7. Prenup Butter
8. Graveyard
"We've never had two bass players. We've had two drummers and two guitar players so it makes total sense to now have two bass players. We'll be taking this two-prong bass attack on the road as well which should prove to be interesting. Pinkus Abortion Technician is a radically great record and was a stone groove to record. We drank a lot of coffee and enjoyed each other's company. I like Steven and Jeff a great deal. I admire their bass playing and singing and both of them can grill a mean steak." - Buzz
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/02/melvins-announce-new-album-pinkus-abortion-technician-map-out-north-american-tour/
Finally the cat is out of the bag. It sounds good. Some will love it, some will hate.
Graveyard! Can't wait to hear the full album and hope they will bring this lineup to europe [-o<
Im really super glad that Graveyard FINALLY gets on a Melvins album!! I love that cover of theirs. Interesting that Stop, Moving To Florida and The Beatles tune make the cut too. Again it's good to see them feature.
mmmh.. just realized two songs are those covers. so it's just six new songs
btw, looks Walsby did some art for this release
Can't wait for this one. I don't care if it's two covers and 6 new. Two bass attack ftw
I have a strong feeling this album is gonna rule
4 Covers (two combined) and 5 New Ones.
Looks REAL cool. Two bassists... and eight songs (as opposed to 12 or so) suggesting massive rumblers... and a nice tour, too! OH YEAAAH!
Quote from: johnnyg on February 12, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
eight songs (as opposed to 12 or so) suggesting massive rumblers...
I imagine that Graveyard might stretch out a bit similar to that live version they did with feedback or odd sounds at the end. Which is something Melvins have done on a great many of their albums lately - end on weird noises etc. I would suspect The Beatles cover is still pretty short.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 12, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
4 Covers (two combined) and 5 New Ones.
Graveyard
I wanna hold your hand
Stop moving to Florida
And??
Quote from: Pound4abrown on February 12, 2018, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 12, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
4 Covers (two combined) and 5 New Ones.
Graveyard
I wanna hold your hand
Stop moving to Florida
And??
'Stop Moving To Florida' is TWO songs combined. The James Gang cover 'Stop' and 'Moving To Florida' by the Butthole Surfers.
The band play cool versions of both on this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ILoa4erXQ
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2018, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: Pound4abrown on February 12, 2018, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 12, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
4 Covers (two combined) and 5 New Ones.
Graveyard
I wanna hold your hand
Stop moving to Florida
And??
'Stop Moving To Florida' is TWO songs combined. The James Gang cover 'Stop' and 'Moving To Florida' by the Butthole Surfers.
The band play cool versions of both on this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ILoa4erXQ
My mistake. I thought you were saying there were two combined covers plus graveyard and I wanna hold your hand.
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever" :mrgreen:
Quote from: meezer on February 12, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever"
Just imagine what Quincy Jones would say about Melvins!!
Another year, another Melvin's release... 8)
cant wait to hear some tracks.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: meezer on February 12, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever"
Just imagine what Quincy Jones would say about Melvins!!
Interviewer: So, what do you think of the Melvins?
QJ: The Melvins? Nice guys. They helped faked the moon landing with Stevie Wonder. Gene Krupa taught them everything they know after he shot the governor of Mississippi and had to get plastic surgery to change his face. He was laying low. Say, do you like Brazilian music?
Last year in an interview Dale said this album wasn't planned. He said Jeff came down to LA and they recorded the record. In light of that i wonder how well thought out or "written" the songs are. Especially the originals from Buzz. Knowing that these cover songs were live staples for a while does make it seem a little like they threw this one together a bit. That Buzz had a few songs written and they simply just decided to record the covers they had been playing to fill out an LP. Im sure it's not quite like that of course but it does make you wonder how vital the impetus to create this album was for the band.
^^^ And from what I've heard in recent interviews, they are really excited to be playing with both Steve and Jeff. Makes sense, they always seemed to have a ton of fun playing with them.
Hold It In was great but not nearly as weird as I had expected or hoped for ... Hope on this one they got exceedingly lost all up there in Weirdsville.
I'm keeping my mouth shut, and letting it all play out. I'm biased, and like it. Like I said, some will like it, and as Taylor Swift said, the haters are going to hate, that I have no doubt. Besides the two bass attack, this album as a couple other first in Melvin's history.
Short time to write and record a record is a good thing. The original Hold It In tracks were written over a short time, then once Paul got involved and brought a few more tracks, it snow balled into a bigger release. It was originally only going to be a 4 song EP, and look what we got.
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on February 13, 2018, 11:55:01 AM
Hold It In was great but not nearly as weird as I had expected or hoped for
It was a little long for me. The quality dipped a bit here and there i thought with the odd song. Being that it was a longer Melvins record, i wish that album had a few of the lesser tracks lobbed off to create a tighter set of songs. And when i say "lesser" tracks i mean the Paul Leary ones!
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 13, 2018, 12:25:53 PM
It was originally only going to be a 4 song EP, and look what we got.
Yes i remember that rumour being mentioned on here. The Pinkus EP i recall it being named.
Vital Impetus! :D
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 13, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
The Pinkus EP i recall it being named.
Which is basically what this seems to be. Five new songs and three covers is a bit of a cheeky release IMO.
Quote from: johnnyg on February 13, 2018, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: meezer on February 12, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever"
Just imagine what Quincy Jones would say about Melvins!!
Interviewer: So, what do you think of the Melvins?
QJ: The Melvins? Nice guys. They helped faked the moon landing with Stevie Wonder. Gene Krupa taught them everything they know after he shot the governor of Mississippi and had to get plastic surgery to change his face. He was laying low. Say, do you like Brazilian music?
=D>
The writeup at Metal Injection was pretty funny.
QuoteMelvins released a double album called A Walk With Love And Death on July 7, 2017, and then embarked on a 61-date tour that stretched from July to October. Clearly the band took about 30 minutes off between getting home and working on a new record, because there's a new Melvins record coming on April 20.
QuoteI can hear some of you from miles away right now too, and here's what you're saying – "what about Basses Loaded? That had SIX bassists! THIS IS BULLSHIT!" Well, yeah, but that had six bassists all performing on separate songs, whereas Pinkus Abortion Technician has two bassists performing simultaneously on each track. So suck it, hypothetical person.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 13, 2018, 12:25:53 PM
I'm keeping my mouth shut, and letting it all play out. I'm biased, and like it. Like I said, some will like it, and as Taylor Swift said, the haters are going to hate, that I have no doubt. Besides the two bass attack, this album as a couple other first in Melvin's history.
Short time to write and record a record is a good thing. The original Hold It In tracks were written over a short time, then once Paul got involved and brought a few more tracks, it snow balled into a bigger release. It was originally only going to be a 4 song EP, and look what we got.
All I want to know is.....is it heavy?
Quote from: Bigval on February 13, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 13, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
The Pinkus EP i recall it being named.
Which is basically what this seems to be. Five new songs and three covers is a bit of a cheeky release IMO.
I thought the same, although i suspect those original Pinkus songs made their way onto 'Hold It In'.
Quote from: (PAUL) on February 13, 2018, 10:28:01 PM
The writeup at Metal Injection was pretty funny.
QuoteMelvins released a double album called A Walk With Love And Death on July 7, 2017, and then embarked on a 61-date tour that stretched from July to October. Clearly the band took about 30 minutes off between getting home and working on a new record, because there's a new Melvins record coming on April 20.
Shows what they know, both were written more or less at the same time, one just had to wait it's turn at Ipecac.
QuoteI can hear some of you from miles away right now too, and here's what you're saying – "what about Basses Loaded? That had SIX bassists! THIS IS BULLSHIT!" Well, yeah, but that had six bassists all performing on separate songs, whereas Pinkus Abortion Technician has two bassists performing simultaneously on each track. So suck it, hypothetical person.
Didn't they have a record recently with three basses at the same time? Wasn't that record several years old? So why step down to two now, shouldn't they be building?...THIS IS BULLSHIT!!
I'd be majorly surprised if the answer to that is anything other than - "no, not really". I imagine it falls in line with how Basses Loaded and A Walk With... sound.
Quote from: johnnyg on February 13, 2018, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: meezer on February 12, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever"
Just imagine what Quincy Jones would say about Melvins!!
Interviewer: So, what do you think of the Melvins?
QJ: The Melvins? Nice guys. They helped faked the moon landing with Stevie Wonder. Gene Krupa taught them everything they know after he shot the governor of Mississippi and had to get plastic surgery to change his face. He was laying low. Say, do you like Brazilian music?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Bigval on February 13, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 13, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
The Pinkus EP i recall it being named.
Which is basically what this seems to be. Five new songs and three covers is a bit of a cheeky release IMO.
Remember though, Lysol was only three new songs and three covers, and that one's obviously endured.
Quote from: DToxico on February 14, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: Bigval on February 13, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 13, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
The Pinkus EP i recall it being named.
Which is basically what this seems to be. Five new songs and three covers is a bit of a cheeky release IMO.
Remember though, Lysol was only three new songs and three covers, and that one's obviously endured.
they're never gonna make something like that again though
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 13, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Knowing that these cover songs were live staples for a while does make it seem a little like they threw this one together a bit. That Buzz had a few songs written and they simply just decided to record the covers they had been playing to fill out an LP.
i think that's exactly what happened
Haters gonna hate.
Speculators are gonna speculate.
Magic 8 ball says not all things are as they seem.
At this point in their careers I do not think they just throw things together.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 14, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
At this point in their careers I do not think they just throw things together.
I think it depends what we mean when we say "thrown together". I didn't mean they just come up with this record on the fly in 10 minutes. Obviously the material will be considered and executed to their intentions. However i doubt it was deliberated upon or worked over for too long either. Now, of course a band don't need to meditate upon their new album nor does it need to be a rigorously tough process to record a record. But i think we all know what i meant.
The real question is what the super limited version is gonna look like and how quickly can I give them my money.
Hope there's a standard Ipecac vinyl release along w/ CD. I'll have the CD right away, can't wait. When's the $30 cassette version due out? :lol:
Three pages already and still no official streaming of at least one song?
And I'm still waiting for my AWWLAD CD, fucking chilean post office :cry:
I find myself intrigued by the 'Stop Moving To Florida' track. I wonder whether it is simply one cover song followed by the next like they performed it live, or an amalgamation of the two that may switch back and forth somehow.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on February 15, 2018, 11:01:18 PM
Three pages already and still no official streaming of at least one song?
Im as impatient as the next guy when it comes to things like this, but in a way i don't want to hear a song prior. That ruined A Walk With... a little for me since we got to hear Christ Hammer so long before the release. Same applies to Basses Loaded and the EP's. When you finally get the record it loses some of that coherence or flow if you are too familiar with a song. Ideally i like to hear the whole thing front to back in one go. But at the same time i'll gladly take a stream of a song too!
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 16, 2018, 03:51:37 AM
Im as impatient as the next guy when it comes to things like this, but in a way i don't want to hear a song prior. That ruined A Walk With... a little for me since we got to hear Christ Hammer so long before the release. Same applies to Basses Loaded and the EP's. When you finally get the record it loses some of that coherence or flow if you are too familiar with a song. Ideally i like to hear the whole thing front to back in one go. But at the same time i'll gladly take a stream of a song too!
Yep, it's a temptation hard not to give in but very rewarding if you can control yourself.
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3788272129_10.jpg)
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pinkus-abortion-technician
Stop Moving To Florida up on Bandcamp.
Sounds really good! Very thick sounding, vocals are kick ass. =D>
Let's get it straight, Howard Tate wrote "Stop".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlxbxcR1el0
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Howard-Tate.jpg)
Howard fell on some hard times but pulled it together.
Quote from: GrimReaper on February 19, 2018, 02:11:14 AM
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pinkus-abortion-technician
Stop Moving To Florida up on Bandcamp.
Sounds really good! Very thick sounding, vocals are kick ass.
Yes. I was surprised that it's Steve who takes the prominent role with the vocals on the 'Stop' part of the track. I liked Pinkus' tones on the live tour versions they did so i expected it would be him instead. Personally i consider Jeff to have a better voice than Steve, still it sounded great. I think this one really benefited from them playing it live and knowing the song so well. I could leave out the 'Moving To Florida' part of the song. I never liked that one. Buzz sounds retarded. Oddly in a way this whole track reminds me of 'The Water Glass' - a rocking first part followed by an ill judged, emphasis upon spoken words second section.
Quote from: johnnyg on February 12, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
eight songs (as opposed to 12 or so) suggesting massive rumblers
This album is pretty damn short in duration. 37 minutes!
5:20 1. Stop Moving To Florida
1:40 2. Embrace The Rub
7:53 3. Don't Forget To Breathe
5:47 4. Flamboyant Duck
2:34 5. Break Bread
4:06 6. I Want To Hold Your Hand
4:38 7. Prenup Butter
5:06 8. Graveyard
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pinkus-abortion-technician
No vinyl pre order?!?!?!?!?!?
Quote from: (the) flutter nuts on February 19, 2018, 07:52:25 AM
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pinkus-abortion-technician
No vinyl pre order?!?!?!?!?!?
Will hopefully come later.
Quote from: Garnz on February 19, 2018, 07:55:46 AM
Quote from: (the) flutter nuts on February 19, 2018, 07:52:25 AM
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pinkus-abortion-technician
No vinyl pre order?!?!?!?!?!?
Will hopefully come later.
that'll be on Merchaye and Amazon I bet
Stop Moving to Florida sounds so fucking good.
Really excited for this album.
yeah, . i prefer the second part, i mean the butthole surfers cover. double bass attack sounds great
Stop Moving to Florida is fantastic and better than the original, instantly on repeat.
Definitely going to split the two tracks in half so one doesn't require the listening of the other.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 19, 2018, 04:02:22 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 12, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
eight songs (as opposed to 12 or so) suggesting massive rumblers
This album is pretty damn short in duration. About 36 minutes!
5:20 1. Stop Moving To Florida
1:40 2. Embrace The Rub
7:53 3. Don't Forget To Breathe
5:47 4. Flamboyant Duck
2:24 5. Break Bread
4:06 6. I Want To Hold Your Hand
4:38 7. Prenup Butter
5:06 8. Graveyard
GOOD. Short album is good.
Also Stop Moving To Florida is utterly sublime.
It only gets tripper or creepier from here.
I'm not sure which title I like better, Flamboyant Duck or Prenup Butter :lol:
Quote from: (PAUL) on February 19, 2018, 07:36:35 PM
I'm not sure which title I like better, Flamboyant Duck or Prenup Butter :lol:
Prenup Butter is one of my favorite plays on words in a long time. Can't wait to hear this!
Quote from: (PAUL) on February 19, 2018, 07:36:35 PM
I'm not sure which title I like better, Flamboyant Duck or Prenup Butter
Neither myself. Just like their jokey songs, im not a fan of the jokey song titles. Most often when i excitedly read a Melvins tracklist for the first time, you will find me rolling my eyes a little.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 20, 2018, 05:15:19 AM
Most often when i excitedly read a Melvins tracklist for the first time, you will find me rolling my eyes a little.
I'm guessing you don't rate Piss Pisstopherson as a song title then? ;) Putting the low brow humor aside I think it's probably got more to do with having so many songs that they probably can't be fucked thinking up decent names for them, I even get that feeling a bit from their album titles.
Buzz: "What should we call album number 25?"
Dale: "Yeah eh um how bout Polka Dot Sledgehammer?"
Buzz: "Done. But I'm choosing the name of the next one in six months time"
Dale: "Whatever"
In saying that The Asshole Bastard is an awesome name for a song title. My mother's boyfriend is an old school Italian fella who gets worked up pretty easily and when he starts ranting about politicians or public servants he always refers to them as asshole bastards. They're not just assholes and they're not just bastards they're asshole bastards. I'm sure I remember Buzz in the 51 shows in 51 days tour diaries calling the government officials who came up with some train line in LA to the airport as asshole bastards too.
Quote from: Bigval on February 20, 2018, 05:54:59 AM
I think it's probably got more to do with having so many songs that they probably can't be fucked thinking up decent names for them
Yes. Like 'Hold It In', they said that came from a joke the band had. Like you note, they don't seem to take it too seriously, which is the extreme opposite of how i would be about it. 'Everybody Loves Sausages' in particular is one i absolutely detest!!
Quote from: Bigval on February 20, 2018, 05:54:59 AM
In saying that The Asshole Bastard is an awesome name for a song title.
Agreed! That's the odd thing with Melvins, some of their song/album titles are terrible while others are awesome. The Asshole Bastard is indeed an example of a great one. I like 'Pinkus Abortion Technician' as a title too.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 20, 2018, 06:03:23 AM
Yes. Like 'Hold It In', they said that came from a joke the band had. Like you note, they don't seem to take it too seriously, which is the extreme opposite of how i would be about it. 'Everybody Loves Sausages' in particular is one i absolutely detest!!
IMO, Hold It In = bad, Everybody Loves Sausages = very good.
QuoteI like 'Pinkus Abortion Technician' as a title too.
Me too, a cool name.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 19, 2018, 06:08:49 PM
GOOD. Short album is good.
I wonder if this is the start of a new trend with the band. The "Death" side of the last record was considered a "proper" Melvins album and that was only 38 minutes long. How about it, shorter Melvins albums from now on!!?!
A CD bundle coming on Merchaye. I hope it is not a baseball cap again :D
http://revolvemerchandise.shop/ipecac-music/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-cd-bundle
anybody going to call out Buzz's dog on the cover? that is most certainly a portrait of the little scamp.
Quote from: glen on February 20, 2018, 11:32:53 AM
anybody going to call out Buzz's dog on the cover? that is most certainly a portrait of the little scamp.
I would say yes. I've often wondered whether the dog on the cover of Nude With Boots is one of his too.
Stop Moving To Florida is cool, but when they were doing Moving To Florida live Buzz did it with more gusto.
The delivery is not quite up to how he was doing it on that tour. On the best shows, anyway.
I think the high-pass filter on his vocals was a mistake as it killed some of that as well.
I still like the sound of these two a lot though.
The two basses sound great, the mix sounds different and good, there's even a few piano notes thrown in.
Looking forward to this.
I'm not sure if trying to capture Gibby verbatim was the right thing to do. better to "Buzz" it a little.
Melvins are much better live actually
Quote from: glen on February 21, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
I'm not sure if trying to capture Gibby verbatim was the right thing to do. better to "Buzz" it a little.
Free suggestion: the Melvins need to release a buzz rant album, similar to the venom recording. "I'm not your fucking parents! Smoke pot! Stay off the stage!"
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 21, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: glen on February 21, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
I'm not sure if trying to capture Gibby verbatim was the right thing to do. better to "Buzz" it a little.
Free suggestion: the Melvins need to release a buzz rant album, similar to the venom recording. "I'm not your fucking parents! Smoke pot! Stay off the stage!"
Well Cowboy is kind of like that.
Quote from: (PAUL) on February 21, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 21, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: glen on February 21, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
I'm not sure if trying to capture Gibby verbatim was the right thing to do. better to "Buzz" it a little.
Free suggestion: the Melvins need to release a buzz rant album, similar to the venom recording. "I'm not your fucking parents! Smoke pot! Stay off the stage!"
Well Cowboy is kind of like that.
Having Fun With The Melvins Live on Stage? Fuck it, I'd pay money for that.
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/308/MI0002308604.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: meezer on February 12, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
It's a good thing they're covering that Beatles song because those guys were the "worst musicians ever"
Just imagine what Quincy Jones would say about Melvins!!
If Quincy produced Bootlicker it would have been sexier than a Marvin Gay record AND it would've sold more too.
.......just sayin.
Quote from: Helen83 on February 22, 2018, 03:29:15 AM
If Quincy sharted in my mouth I would tell you guys it tasted like beluga caviar
.......just sayin.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 22, 2018, 12:59:00 AM
Quote from: (PAUL) on February 21, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 21, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: glen on February 21, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
I'm not sure if trying to capture Gibby verbatim was the right thing to do. better to "Buzz" it a little.
Free suggestion: the Melvins need to release a buzz rant album, similar to the venom recording. "I'm not your fucking parents! Smoke pot! Stay off the stage!"
Well Cowboy is kind of like that.
Having Fun With The Melvins Live on Stage? Fuck it, I'd pay money for that.
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/308/MI0002308604.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Or like that Beach Boys album that's a bunch of banter and joke-covers meant to emulate bullshitting in their living room
So I listened to the song Stop Moving to Florida and I was like "This sound familiar...."
I am a big Jimi Hendrix fan and I know Buzz Osborn is also a huge Jimi Hendrix fan.
Imagine my surprise when I found out Stop Moving to Florida is a cover of Stop by Jimi Hendrix
Listen at 1:25
https://youtu.be/D2rs4CBLCiQ
Quote from: Pringles on February 28, 2018, 07:47:23 AM
Imagine my surprise when I found out Stop Moving to Florida is a cover of Stop by Jimi Hendrix
It isn't actually. The Melvins state it is a cover of 'Stop' by James Gang which came out in 1969. Hendrix just covered it himself a year later. Although technically the song was actually wrote by Howard Tate and released in '68.
Oh yeah you are right
https://youtu.be/cCQ9d3WqDwo
More 'Stop' talk via the James Gang drummer.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/james-gang-jim-fox-melvins-stop/
Man, I should write (or edit) for Ultimate Rock. The Band of Gypsys version of "Stop" was not on the Band of Gypsys album released in 1970, but was released on "Band of Gypsys 2" released in 1986. Also, the Beatles cover should be noted that it is a cover of the Beatles "I Want to Hold Your Hand" but they are using the arrangement made by Billy Gibbons and his pre-ZZ Top band "Moving Sidewalks". It always drives me nuts when things are incorrectly written in music articles because it rewrites and confuses history. But hey - at least they are writing about Melvins!
Quote from: sadcorps on February 28, 2018, 12:33:33 PM
Also, the Beatles cover should be noted that it is a cover of the Beatles "I Want to Hold Your Hand" but they are using the arrangement made by Billy Gibbons and his pre-ZZ Top band "Moving Sidewalks".
Damn you're right! I thought it was Melvins who had re-imagined it like that.
Quote from: sadcorps on February 28, 2018, 12:33:33 PM
Man, I should write (or edit) for Ultimate Rock. The Band of Gypsys version of "Stop" was not on the Band of Gypsys album released in 1970, but was released on "Band of Gypsys 2" released in 1986. It always drives me nuts when things are incorrectly written in music articles because it rewrites and confuses history.
Band of Gypsys refer to the name Jimi Hendrix gave to his band in 1969-1970.
Of course they released an album called Band of Gypsys.
A different version of Stop is also on the Live at the Filmore East album.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 28, 2018, 07:57:20 AM
Quote from: Pringles on February 28, 2018, 07:47:23 AM
Imagine my surprise when I found out Stop Moving to Florida is a cover of Stop by Jimi Hendrix
It isn't actually. The Melvins state it is a cover of 'Stop' by James Gang which came out in 1969. Hendrix just covered it himself a year later. Although technically the song was actually wrote by Howard Tate and released in '68.
And now we learn that not even Tate was the original author of the song :lol: Funny.
Melvins like doing covers, of covers, like "I wanna hold your hand".
This version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRz-0kpdjkk
Quote from: crushr24 on March 05, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
This version...
That was pretty darn badass. Melvins won't be bettering that anytime soon!
These were sold out within half an hour, who got one? http://hazexxltomhazelmyer.bigcartel.com/product/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-test-pressings-with-linocut-printed-sleeve
The regular version will be for sale in april.
Quote from: Alex- on March 12, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
These were sold out within half an hour, who got one? http://hazexxltomhazelmyer.bigcartel.com/product/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-test-pressings-with-linocut-printed-sleeve
The regular version will be for sale in april.
How do you know what time they went up?
Quote from: PepsiMike on March 12, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: Alex- on March 12, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
These were sold out within half an hour, who got one? http://hazexxltomhazelmyer.bigcartel.com/product/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-test-pressings-with-linocut-printed-sleeve
The regular version will be for sale in april.
How do you know what time they went up?
I didn't knew. I was on Facebook and saw this posted by Haze half an hour ago when I checked. So it's possible these went even quicker than 30 min, not sure.
Japan CD pre-order:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/HSE-4548
where's the stream by now? one song even? hello? :o
Quote from: Alex- on March 12, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
These were sold out within half an hour, who got one? http://hazexxltomhazelmyer.bigcartel.com/product/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-test-pressings-with-linocut-printed-sleeve
The regular version will be for sale in april.
"Art edition" or no "art edition", $400 for an LP is madness. For a test press, even.
Pure exploitation of collectors' mania.
Not even flippers charge this high.
I'm shocked.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on March 16, 2018, 05:49:45 AM
Pure exploitation of collectors' mania.
No doubt, but people don't HAVE to buy it.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on March 16, 2018, 05:49:45 AM
"Art edition" or no "art edition", $400 for an LP is madness. For a test press, even.
That is one expensive frisbee.
I will not partake in streaming online or sneak a listen until I have the CD. If I want to hear Stop/Florida until then, I'll crank the Syracuse '15 show. :wink:
The week of 4/20/18 is gonna rule. New Melvins, and Neil Young has a new Archive release coming out that week - Live @ The Roxy '73(Tonight's The Night Live). Something to bundle up on and get free shipping that week.
Pretty much the goldmine of live '70s Neil. Very glad that it's also a 2CD set. I refuse to pay the over-inflated prices for Neil's stuff lately on vinyl, RSD or otherwise.
Sorry Chief. New track to preview. :twisted:
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/track/embrace-the-rub (https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/track/embrace-the-rub)
Quote from: meezer on March 28, 2018, 07:58:16 AM
Sorry Chief. New track to preview. :twisted:
https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/track/embrace-the-rub (https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/track/embrace-the-rub)
YEAH, DUMBASS!!
I really like this! Kind of a weird Dead Kennedys / X vibe to it but that's only scratching the surface. This is a pretty cool song!
Digging Embrace The Rub.
Good times.
The song is okay. Not much else to say about it really.
I still think it was a bit of a strange decision to combine Stop and Moving To Florida into one track. I've been listening to it again the last couple of days and it just feels like two separate songs. Like this record should be a 9 track one rather than 8. It's like an inverse The Maggot tracklist wise in this way.
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 30, 2018, 06:44:04 AM
I still think it was a bit of a strange decision to combine Stop and Moving To Florida into one track. I've been listening to it again the last couple of days and it just feels like two separate songs. Like this record should be a 9 track one rather than 8. It's like an inverse The Maggot tracklist wise in this way.
Another great example is Set Me Straight transitioning to Deserted Cities of the Heart, which actually transitions smoother I must admit.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on March 30, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
Another great example is Set Me Straight transitioning to Deserted Cities of the Heart, which actually transitions smoother I must admit.
Yes. I had just got into Melvins a few months before Houdini Live came out and not being very familar with their songs (and definitely not Cream) i thought Deserted Cites WAS part of Set Me Straight.
That change in Set Me Straight really ticked me off when I first heard Houdini live. SMS was one of my favorite songs on Houdini but i felt they had ruined it. Then pretty soon I liked that version better and still didn't learn in was the Cream cover till much later. It looks like it's title OCH on the CD anyway. And they play it almost twice as fast as Cream, so I was never going to figure that out on my own.
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 31, 2018, 05:11:21 AM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on March 30, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
Another great example is Set Me Straight transitioning to Deserted Cities of the Heart, which actually transitions smoother I must admit.
Yes. I had just got into Melvins a few months before Houdini Live came out and not being very familar with their songs (and definitely not Cream) i thought Deserted Cites WAS part of Set Me Straight.
Are you familiar with Cream now tho? You should be Cream is great man ... the S/T debut is such a great record with some of my favorite production ... that album sounds so good. All their stuff is tits ... Disraeli Gears has some of the finest wha wha finesse ever ... Clapton's leads and tones on that release may even better Hendrix imo ... Clap's fuzzy buzzy hummy lead tone on that record is pretty untouchable.
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on March 31, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Are you familiar with Cream now tho?
Not really. I haven't listened to them for a good while. I just about recall listening to Disraeli Gears before but i don't think i've heard anything else from them. As you suggest, i should correct that.
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 31, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on March 31, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Are you familiar with Cream now tho?
Not really. I haven't listened to them for a good while. I just about recall listening to Disraeli Gears before but i don't think i've heard anything else from them. As you suggest, i should correct that.
Live Cream Vol 1 and Vol 2. Those are the tits!
Quote from: aeustin on March 31, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 31, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on March 31, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Are you familiar with Cream now tho?
Not really. I haven't listened to them for a good while. I just about recall listening to Disraeli Gears before but i don't think i've heard anything else from them. As you suggest, i should correct that.
Live Cream Vol 1 and Vol 2. Those are the tits!
Live Cream Vol. 2 is the shit 8). Still have it on cassette, and LP. That one has more of their stronger songs w/ some sick soloing.
Vol. 1 on the other hand has too much endless loose jamming that sort of goes nowhere IMO.
look
That's a really cool looking design.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on March 31, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: aeustin on March 31, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on March 31, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on March 31, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Are you familiar with Cream now tho?
Not really. I haven't listened to them for a good while. I just about recall listening to Disraeli Gears before but i don't think i've heard anything else from them. As you suggest, i should correct that.
Live Cream Vol 1 and Vol 2. Those are the tits!
Live Cream Vol. 2 is the shit 8). Still have it on cassette, and LP. That one has more of their stronger songs w/ some sick soloing.
Vol. 1 on the other hand has too much endless loose jamming that sort of goes nowhere IMO.
I love that loose jamming haha. But yet, I totally agree, the track list on Vol 2 is better.
Some reviews.
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/reviews/albums/the-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician
http://www.moshville.co.uk/reviews/album-review/2018/04/album-review-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician/
https://soundblab.com/reviews/albums/20050-the-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician
https://midlandsmetalheads.com/album-review-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician/
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 10, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
Some reviews.
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/reviews/albums/the-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician
http://www.moshville.co.uk/reviews/album-review/2018/04/album-review-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician/
https://soundblab.com/reviews/albums/20050-the-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician
https://midlandsmetalheads.com/album-review-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician/
thanks! cannot wait for the full album now...
I'm guessing it'll be a 6.1 on the Pitchfork scale
Can't wait (even more)!
Can't stand unresearched journalism. The Moshville writer states that Houdini and Nevermind came out the same year....
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 10, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Can't wait (even more)!
Can't stand unresearched journalism. The Moshville writer states that Houdini and Nevermind came out the same year....
What???? They obviously weren't alive back then.
One of the reviewers also said Dale started in 1988 :lol:
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 10, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Can't wait (even more)!
Can't stand unresearched journalism. The Moshville writer states that Houdini and Nevermind came out the same year....
They changed it to In Utero.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on April 10, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
One of the reviewers also said Dale started in 1988 :lol:
That's even worse than the way reviewers often call Dale one of the original members. At least that one is somewhat understandable, given his longevity and the fact the only album they recorded before he joined got shelved for 20 years. But 1988, wtf?
Personally it doesn't bother me at all that people get little (or large!) factual points wrong. I don't want a history lesson in a review, i just like reading what listeners think about a new record. Hearing their "fresh", sometimes uninitiated perspective upon something im eager to hear myself.
Quote from: Pound4abrown on April 11, 2018, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 10, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Can't wait (even more)!
Can't stand unresearched journalism. The Moshville writer states that Houdini and Nevermind came out the same year....
They changed it to In Utero.
And it altered the storyline. Mentioning Nevermind was their way of connecting it to the explosion of grunge.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 12, 2018, 07:52:12 AM
Personally it doesn't bother me at all that people get little (or large!) factual points wrong. I don't want a history lesson in a review, i just like reading what listeners think about a new record. Hearing their "fresh", sometimes uninitiated perspective upon something im eager to hear myself.
I would agree if it was a straight review but with a band like Melvins it makes a little sense to tie in some history. With the variety in their sound it helps to know a bit about their background for people new to them. So if you're gonna include stuff like that, do your research, especially on something as simple as the year an album was released.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 12, 2018, 11:36:02 AM
I would agree if it was a straight review but with a band like Melvins it makes a little sense to tie in some history. With the variety in their sound it helps to know a bit about their background for people new to them.
Totally, i just meant i personally don't like reading it. Especially for bands im familiar with. I usually just jump right over the first paragraph in a Melvins review to the actual music talk.
Somebody who has an advance copy of the CD posted the album details on Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Pinkus-Abortion-Technician/release/11853924),
and looking at the credits it seems...
Buzz has written NONE of the songs on this album?! :shock:
Ummm............. I don't know what to think...
Embrace the nub written by the McDonalds? Omg that makes sense.
This is more of a pinkus + Melvins ep, it looks like.
Quote from: PepsiMike on April 12, 2018, 03:41:34 PM
Embrace the nub written by the McDonalds? Omg that makes sense.
This is more of a pinkus + Melvins ep, it looks like.
More like Pinkus + Dale, with one Steven song. Weeeiiiirrrrddd.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 12, 2018, 03:30:57 PM
Buzz has written NONE of the songs on this album?!
Ummm............. I don't know what to think...
I suppose it makes a sort of sense in light of what Dale said in an interview last year about how Pinkus turned up in LA and the band hadn't intended to make this recording. Had Buzz wrote a few songs i don't think it would automatically mean anything different though. I guess this news just allows me to look at this release like Everybody Loves Sausages or The Crybaby - a kind of cover or collaboration record. Something not to be taken too seriously.
Nice to see HAZE features on this album too! Some additional guitar work perhaps?
Quote from: PepsiMike on April 12, 2018, 03:41:34 PM
This is more of a pinkus + Melvins ep
Im happy with that. Some of Pinkus' songs on Hold it In were pretty good!
Toshi did not get the credit of the weird Japanese piano thing he plays on Don't Forget to Breathe.
So if Buzz nor Dale wrote the songs, is it really a Melvin's record?
This was the one of the firsts I was talking about several pages back.
To bad they post all the credits like that. I like when they give little info, like Pigs was. With no info people blindly praise and hate a record. Now they can play the blame game. But so far the reviews have been pretty good. This might earn some extra points on the pitchfork scale?
Three Haze versions of the album. Tour, mail-order, art edition.
Having seen "I want to hold your hand" live twice already, the rest of the album could be dogs snoring and it would still be worth the pre-order. Just saying.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 13, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
So if Buzz nor Dale wrote the songs, is it really a Melvin's record?
Yes, because it says so on the cover!! Being serious though, that concept has kinda been explored on Everybody... and The Crybaby. Although i guess one could say that Buzz did actually write 'Heathen Earth' on the covers record and many of the songs on Crybaby originated as Melvins recordings given to other artists. One could even throw Chicken Switch in there too as another possible example of Melvins not really being Melvins. Funny also to think that the Crystal Fairy album is technically more a Melvins record than this is!
After many many times listening to "Stop" I only now realized the lyrics are slightly different
When I looked them up...
Quote from: https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/melvins/stopmovingtoflorida.html
Stop
I don't know the words
I think they're wrong
Stop
It don't matter jack
'Cause no one here
Really knows this song
Never knew how this song could be
Now this damn song's made a fool of me
My backstage is hazy
(One more time)
One more fucking band's gonna drive me crazy
Never knew how this song could be
Now this damn song's made a fool of me
My backstage is hazy
(One more time)
One more fucking band's gonna drive me crazy
WE'VE BEEN PLAYED LIKE A FIDDLE!
So has anyone seen the the CD package itself yet? Jewel-case, or the over-sized "LP replica" style cardboa digipak? Hopefully they got away from those like "Hold It In" was. I'm hoping for standard jewel case which they did last for Basses Loaded.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on April 15, 2018, 05:36:24 PM
So has anyone seen the the CD package itself yet? Jewel-case, or the over-sized "LP replica" style cardboa digipak? Hopefully they got away from those like "Hold It In" was. I'm hoping for standard jewel case which they did last for Basses Loaded.
I'm hoping for the opposite, why don't you like digipaks?
Think we've discussed this before but I still can't understand why some people prefer jewel cases.
Personally I hate the excessive plastic. That which hides the artwork like it's behind a glass so you can't touch it, and that strip on the left, and the inevitable border around the whole thing.
(At least it's not on the front on most Melvins albums, thank Mackie and Buzz for that)
I don't like the tactile feel of plastic as well, thick cardboard is so much nicer.
I can only think of a few exceptions where the jewel cases' "shop window glass" effect was fitting to the artwork.
But other than that I feel like digipaks are superior in every way :?
I've been having huge problems with the fully paper CD thing. Do they even measure CDs before they put these together these days? The CD should be in a removable sleeve, that it actually fits in as well as slides in and out. Then that sleeve should slide into the outer package, without needing the jaws of life to accomplish this task. Then, this entire package should not be ¼" to the" too big to fit in a case designed for CDs. Is that too complicated? :x
That's why my way is perfect - do away with the packaging and just put the disk in a generic, slimline CD case. When i used to keep the cases it always bugged me to see bands use different style cases from release to release. Not any longer! Now i don't care. My other pet hate as regards CD packaging is cases (usually of the half card/half plastic variety) that hold the CD in place incredibly strongly. You try to remove the CD and it feels like the disk is going to snap in half before you can get it out. The Whores album i brought recently was a classic example of that.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 16, 2018, 10:28:02 AM
I still can't understand why some people prefer jewel cases.
I think both are flawed. The cardboard digipacks definitely look better. They are more artifact like and as you say more suited to creative packaging. However i think these wear far quicker than your standard jewel case.
Digipacks are a good option when the plastic tray is included. A CD or at least the side where the laser light reads the information should never, EVER get in touch with any kind of surface or object because I could scratch and damage the stored information in the long run, that's why the good old classic jewel cases are and always will be the best way to store a CD.
Fundamentally I support the idea of the CD amaray, like DVD packaging, if they made it square. The hard plastic of classic Jewel cases is ultimately bad for the art (booklets with those little teeth marks on the edge, or the crease where the case closed while the booklet slipped out. Amaray are replaceable, more flexible and more shock absorbent, and allow full cover art, protected and glossy.
The problem with digipaks is that the grip teeth in both Jewel cases and digipaks are essentially disposable. A jewel case where you can replace the tray is way better than a digipak with glued on tray that soon features crushed or chipped teeth.
For digipaks, ideally we'd have premium clear resealable plastic like many Japanese products are packaged. That would solve most of the digipak wear problem.
I hear that the liability on CDs (aside from deep scratches on the playing surface) is actually dye from cheap label ink (or bleeding inks from disc label touching any other art or packaging). Certain dyes and other harsh solvents over time will eat through and disturb the reflective surface from the label side, which can truly ruin the CD worse than most scratches.
I'm with you on the annoyance of oversized digipaks or ill fitting inserts. Or the worst... the CD just falls out of some unsecure pocket when you hold the digipak closed. Even worse that pocket is a roundish die cut half way through the art that makes putting the CD in or out feel like scratching it heinously.
new chat with steven...
http://www.thevinylguide.com/episodes/ep120-steven-mcdonald-of-redd-kross-off-melvins-more
This is a good, thought provoking review. It makes a lot of good points and in a way, it's difficult to disagree.
http://www.metalsucks.net/2018/04/17/album-review-the-melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician/
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 18, 2018, 05:50:42 AM
This is a good, thought provoking review. It makes a lot of good points and in a way, it's difficult to disagree.
I find it quite easy to disagree with the review, the writer's style, and your assessment that it's good and thought provoking.
Agreed, I'm biased, but the writing was terrible. Does metalsucks hire hipsters?
Yeah, that has to be one of the shittiest album reviews I've read in weeks.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 19, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
Agreed, I'm biased, but the writing was terrible. Does metalsucks hire hipsters?
They started out as a parody site to Metal Sludge.
So I rarely, if ever, take them seriously.
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on April 19, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
I find it quite easy to disagree with the review, the writer's style, and your assessment that it's good and thought provoking.
Well, it's not a great review in what one might think to describe one as. But i do think it raises a few interesting points. Or rather it did to me.
Just heard the majority of this album (bar 'Flamboyant Duck'). Prior to listening i was on the fence of if to buy it or not. Thankfully i have to say this is actually quite a solid record. 'Don't Forget To Breathe' in particular is an undeniably cool song and the album highlight. 'Graveyard is a little slower than the live version i was used to hearing and loved but still good. Hey, perhaps from now on Jeff Pinkus should write ALL Melvins material!!
I've heard nothing beyond Embrace the Nub I mean Rub. the above coming from as tough a critic as Ian, I must say my interest has risen.
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
I've heard nothing beyond Embrace the Nub I mean Rub.
That's the worst song IMO. Everything else is better.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 19, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
I've heard nothing beyond Embrace the Nub I mean Rub.
That's the worst song IMO. Everything else is better.
don't tell anybody I said this but I am glad to hear that.
I should probably listen to this at some point.
It's on youtube.
Graveyard - Good
Don't Forget to Breathe - Good
Break Bread - Good
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Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on April 19, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
It's on youtube.
Graveyard - Good
Don't Forget to Breathe - Good
Break Bread - Good
Yeah. I agree. Thought Prenup Butter was interesting too.
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It is hard but this album is so different than the norm (and in a good way too) that I got to give it the edge yeah.
ordered today
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It is hard but this album is so different than the norm (and in a good way too) that I got to give it the edge yeah.
Oh shit....and Buzz did not write the songs. I've said it before that I'm biased, but figured people would really like it, or really hate it.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 19, 2018, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It is hard but this album is so different than the norm (and in a good way too) that I got to give it the edge yeah.
Oh shit....and Buzz did not write the songs. I've said it before that I'm biased, but figured people would really like it, or really hate it.
Not that it changes much, but according to the liner notes Dale and Buzz each have one writing credit.
Still very Pinkus heavy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhw84YZB1sd/?taken-by=otisserie
QuoteMelvins at practice, Ripping at all times, this is the heavy Vibe 2 Bass players live, sounds like, @stevenmcdonald and @teamhonky Gnar Like No Other! Don't miss this up coming tour! Melvins Practice, Los Angeles, Calif. ©️2018 Video By O.
Quote from: black stallion on April 19, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
ordered today
I should have the CD tomorrow, or Saturday the latest, delivered. Still have not previewed any a/v online. Ordered from Bullmoose, along w/ the Hendrix - Axis.. mono '13 reissue LP for $18, which is really great. Longtime Hendrix fan/collector, never heard that mix, great to have.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on April 19, 2018, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 19, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
ordered today
I should have the CD tomorrow, or Saturday the latest, delivered. Still have not previewed any a/v online. Ordered from Bullmoose, along w/ the Hendrix - Axis.. mono '13 reissue LP for $18, which is really great. Longtime Hendrix fan/collector, never heard that mix, great to have.
Bullmoose is the best.
Quote from: Pound4abrown on April 19, 2018, 07:24:41 PM
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on April 19, 2018, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 19, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
ordered today
I should have the CD tomorrow, or Saturday the latest, delivered. Still have not previewed any a/v online. Ordered from Bullmoose, along w/ the Hendrix - Axis.. mono '13 reissue LP for $18, which is really great. Longtime Hendrix fan/collector, never heard that mix, great to have.
Bullmoose is the best.
Ditto. Agreed!
only through my first listen now. but i can already say i love it and will love it more with every listen. this band rules so much!
Holy shit this is their best album since Bootlicker.
I can't remember being this impressed with a new Melvins album since Bootlicker although Crybaby was the bees knees simply because of Divorced.
But yeah fucking AWESOME album and perfect amount of tracks.
For me it's ALL about Don't Forget To Beathe, Flamboyant Duck and Prenup Butter. In saying that all the rest aren't too shabby either....they start & finish the album with some hum-dingers too!
Well done Melvins!
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It POONS those ones BIG TIME.
Quote from: runk the punk on April 19, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhw84YZB1sd/?taken-by=otisserie
QuoteMelvins at practice, Ripping at all times, this is the heavy Vibe 2 Bass players live, sounds like, @stevenmcdonald and @teamhonky Gnar Like No Other! Don't miss this up coming tour! Melvins Practice, Los Angeles, Calif. ©️2018 Video By O.
I watched that for 5 minutes before I realized its a continuous loop :oops:. Good stuff!
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:03:32 AM
Holy shit this is their best album since Bootlicker.
i was thinking this, but too scared to type it... :shock:
...maybe since HAT...
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on April 19, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
It's on youtube.
It's up on their Bandcamp page now too.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on April 19, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
Graveyard - Good
Don't Forget to Breathe - Good
Break Bread - Good
And the rest?? Ha.
Oh i love this album. Very Pinkus forward but with a great weirdness to it.
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It POONS those ones BIG TIME.
Absolutely no way does it! Not a chance. Freak Puke is easily the best modern Melvins release. Although i have admittedly been pleasantly surprised by this record. With what Dale said about this album being "weird" and the rubbish 'Embrace The Rub' i totally feared the worst. Thankfully it's just a good Melvins record. As a whole, not amazing but good. As a collection it's better than '...Love & Death' and i'll take that. I'd give it a reasonably healthy 7.5/10. I just wish 'Graveyard' was a bit faster like that AV Club video and Embrace The Rub had been replaced with something else.
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 20, 2018, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:03:32 AM
Holy shit this is their best album since Bootlicker.
i was thinking this, but too scared to type it... :shock:
...maybe since HAT...
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Quote from: ))))(((( on April 20, 2018, 05:10:26 AM
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It POONS those ones BIG TIME.
Absolutely no way does it! Not a chance. Freak Puke is easily the best modern Melvins release. Although i have admittedly been pleasantly surprised by this record. With what Dale said about this album being "weird" and the rubbish 'Embrace The Rub' i totally feared the worst. Thankfully it's just a good Melvins record. As a whole, not amazing but good. As a collection it's better than '...Love & Death' and i'll take that. I'd give it a reasonably healthy 7.5/10. I just wish 'Graveyard' was a bit faster like that AV Club video and Embrace The Rub had been replaced with something else.
Haha that's cool you have an affinity with Freak Puke but this new one pile drives it from the top rope.
The new one poons HAT too.......BUT.....if we were to consider the real HAT album as being the 7" set with the B-Sides then it'd be touch & go.
But for me....easily the best since Bootlicker. From now on only 8-9 tracks.
I love this new album.
Couldn't care for some of the classic rock stuff (the two "singles") but the other songs are up there. Vocals are on point which is something that has brought down recent albums.
The banjo, Dale sounds like Dale, the experimentation, the bass. Top notch album :love:
Have to say one of the absolute best moments on this record - possibly the best! - is when the guitar chugging riff kicks in on 'Flamboyant Duck'. That is awesome.
Best songs on the album...
Don't Forget To Breathe
Flamboyant Duck
Prenup Butter
Graveyard
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 20, 2018, 05:10:26 AM
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It POONS those ones BIG TIME.
Absolutely no way does it! Not a chance. Freak Puke is easily the best modern Melvins release. Although i have admittedly been pleasantly surprised by this record. With what Dale said about this album being "weird" and the rubbish 'Embrace The Rub' i totally feared the worst. Thankfully it's just a good Melvins record. As a whole, not amazing but good. As a collection it's better than '...Love & Death' and i'll take that. I'd give it a reasonably healthy 7.5/10. I just wish 'Graveyard' was a bit faster like that AV Club video and Embrace The Rub had been replaced with something else.
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The new one poons HAT too.......
Not even a little bit.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 20, 2018, 06:06:14 AM
Have to say one of the absolute best moments on this record - possibly the best! - is when the guitar chugging riff kicks in on 'Flamboyant Duck'. That is awesome.
Best songs on the album...
Don't Forget To Breathe
Flamboyant Duck
Prenup Butter
Graveyard
Yep all killer tracks. Get rid of Break Bread and Embrace The Rub and extend the rest.
I had been waiting to post this, but if you skip to 29:00 you get the banjo version of Don't Forget to Breath. And his ayahuasca story when he wrote it. Good version of 20lb jockey too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-wfyOXTII
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 20, 2018, 05:10:26 AM
Quote from: Helen83 on April 20, 2018, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: glen on April 19, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
you putting it over Freak Puke and The Bride?
It POONS those ones BIG TIME.
Absolutely no way does it! Not a chance. Freak Puke is easily the best modern Melvins release.
100% agree.
But this album is pretty fierce. Just not that fierce.
Since they got two whole bassists on this tour...
Golden opportunity to do some of those Mike and The Melvins tunes live.
(Chicken n' Dump and Limited Teeth, especially)
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on April 20, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
Since they got two whole bassists on this tour...
Golden opportunity to do some of those Mike and The Melvins tunes live.
(Chicken n' Dump and Limited Teeth, especially)
Good idea! I highly doubt it will happen though. They should do something a bit more special and unique rather than just roll out the old standards yet again.
Been spinning this one since I got home from work yesterday. I think that this one, for me, will go down as their version of Diver Down.
Bunch of covers and some other cool originals to pad out the time. I know that Diver Down is not nearly as good as all the albums that came before it,
but I love that album regardless.
Quote from: Pound4abrown on April 20, 2018, 08:03:54 AMI know that Diver Down is not nearly as good as all the albums that came before it,
but I love that album regardless.
One of my favorites as well.
Official 'Don't Forget To Breathe' video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33KoJYM7Rk
5 out of 5. Fucking awesome, this album rocks!
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on April 20, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
5 out of 5. Fucking awesome, this album rocks!
Fucking right it does!!! It reminded me why the melvins are the band to end all bands.
The fact that it doesn't "sound like" Melvins is the biggest proof that it is, indeed, Melvins.
One thing is for sure, what this band needs is some more Banjo.
Prenup Butter is effin' great. It's Southern Rock / This Machine Kills Artists with a more regular Melvins tinge. Buzz's vocals sound really great on this track, too. The other songs are also pretty good. See my avatar for my overall rating of this record. I'll be waiting now for the next "real" Melvins release, but this + AWWLAD contain some of their strongest material in years.
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Quote from: black stallion on April 19, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
ordered today
I should have the CD tomorrow, or Saturday the latest, delivered. Still have not previewed any a/v online. Ordered from Bullmoose, along w/ the Hendrix - Axis.. mono '13 reissue LP for $18, which is really great. Longtime Hendrix fan/collector, never heard that mix, great to have.
great Chief!
Nawh I'm movin down ta flory-DUH
Picked up the CD today. Just need to find a CD player....
Yes!, this is as good as I expected, if not better. Prenup Butter might be my fave so far. Love the dark/heavy psych groove they've got going on throughout. Man, Pinkus better bring that banjo along on tour.
Wanted to hear the album before getting show tix. Gonna order up a tik for Cleveland here soon.
On the CD package, it's the cheapest digipak style available, but at least it's a gatefold, and it's not the over-sized one like TMKA & Hold It In. I have my own stash of CD paper sleeves from Office Max for this situation. Luckily the paper sleeve does fit in the pocket.
In just over a week I will officially be "homeless" ... a man of no fixed address couch surfing a big wave of this fucking sucks! Right now I should be continuing to pack up my stuff and trying getting my shit together. Instead I unpacked my stereo and smoked a fatty so I could crank the shit outta Pinkus Abortion Technician. I'm a dumbass but the soundtrack to that dumb assery is SWEET!
Maybe I should move to Florida?
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
Yup
JD Pinkus has an excellent backing band on his new solo record, which contains an unexpected Red Kross cover.
"Break Bread" is hilarious, it could be perfect as music for a TV commercial.
Quote from: aeustin on April 19, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Best Melvins album of the decade.
FIGHT ME.
I'm just about on the first listen and I might be in the same boat. Eight solid tracks, perfect length, a hearty dose of weirdness without being bullshit, occasional heaviness and just a cool record.
Tres Cabrones might still be my favorite of this decade but this one isn't too far behind.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 20, 2018, 11:23:56 PM
"Break Bread" is hilarious, it could be perfect as music for a TV commercial.
If i have one complaint about the album (minus the duffer Embrace The Rub) it's that Pinkus repeats the words "break bread" a little too much for my liking in that song. It seems a bit too much. Something Melvins themselves don't ever really do - fixate upon a word or phrase. Interestingly i don't mind the repetition of the title in 'Don't Forget To Breathe' where i do in 'Break Bread'.
Maybe it is telling you to go to church and find a good Christian girl?
I can't think of one, and I'm on my first cup of coffee. But I don't think the Melvins are big on choruses?
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 21, 2018, 08:43:32 AM
Maybe it is telling you to go to church and find a good Christian girl?
I can't think of one, and I'm on my first cup of coffee. But I don't think the Melvins are big on choruses?
See: Set Me Straight.
They've mostly moved on from that era.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 21, 2018, 03:29:35 AM
If i have one complaint about the album it's that Pinkus repeats the words "break bread" a little too much for my liking in that song.
lol! Now every time I hear Pinkus go ... "Break Bread!" in that song I'm gonna picture Ian wincing and cringing ... and I don't even know what Ian looks like!
Hell all morning I've been puttering about singing ... "Break Bread!" and laughing at Ian wincing and cringing over there in jolly ol' England.
Sorry Ian.
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on April 21, 2018, 09:57:01 AM
Hell all morning I've been puttering about singing ... "Break Bread!" and laughing at Ian wincing and cringing over there in jolly ol' England.
I'll probably say this in the wrong way, but to me that is one of those sort of bouncy, more "immediate" lets say songs. One that gives the impression it was fairly quickly written. So having this line repeated over the top adds to that flimsy feeling to me. It makes the song seem more throwaway with it than it should be. Like i say i could probably explain that better but that is the vibe i get when listening to the song. I'd say it's a half cringe on that one.
I honestly cannot wait for this "era" of the Melvins to go away...if it ever does. I don't get it. This stuff doesn't blow me away like previous releases.
Quote from: 119 on April 21, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
I honestly cannot wait for this "era" of the Melvins to go away...if it ever does. I don't get it. This stuff doesn't blow me away like previous releases.
Agreed, this is a very ordinary album but I can't see old Melvins ever coming back. Three Men and A Baby with it's crunchy heaviness stood out like dogs balls compared to their recent output of quirky pop songs designed to tap your feet to. It's a shame but it is what it is, age.
Yeah, I too wish they would just keep making the same albums they did when they were younger and totally different people again and again and never try different things
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 21, 2018, 10:42:48 AM
I'll probably say this in the wrong way, but to me that is one of those sort of bouncy, more "immediate" lets say songs. One that gives the impression it was fairly quickly written. So having this line repeated over the top adds to that flimsy feeling to me. It makes the song seem more throwaway with it than it should be. Like i say i could probably explain that better but that is the vibe i get when listening to the song. I'd say it's a half cringe on that one.
I feel exactly the same. "Break Bread" is a pretty stupid phrase, anyway. Reminds me of some douchey 80's schlock-rock.
Quote from: herb wilkinson on April 21, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
Yeah, I too wish they would just keep making the same albums they did when they were younger and totally different people again and again and never try different things
=D> first post!
Well, maybe the last two albums are indeed a bit more soft compared to their previous stuff but I do believe that Basses Loaded has some pretty good and heavy tracks, like "Beer Hippy", "The Decay Of Lying", "Choco Plumbing" and "Hideous Woman" among others.
Yeah, I was relistening to Basses Loaded recently and in retrospect it's actually a very damned decent album.
So what can I say about the new one? It's pretty neat.
It could have easily been an EP if you'd take out the cover songs, and that's pretty much how I view it.
But it would be quite a remarkable EP at that.
- Prenup Butter might be my favorite on the record despite having the stupidest worthless title in all of the band's catalog.
(And I'm almost never the one to dislike Melvins' song titles. I'm pretty much the opposite of )))((( in that regard)
Very strong deep Buzz vocals. Very enjoyable.
And the riff after Buzz finishes singing each verse is... mwah! :love:
It's a Black Sabbath level riff I would say.
Great song overall.
- Don't Forget To Breathe is another definite highlight.
For some reason Jeff's vocal delivery reminded me of a bluesy take on...... dare I say the N-word here?.... Nirvana.
It's somewhat depressing, definitely a feel-bad song. Like blues but without the stoicism.
- Flamboyant Duck... not really feeling it now. Maybe it's a grower.
- I Want To Hold Your Hand - well, I already loved it from when they played it on tour. This recorded version is very good, although the elongated ending doesn't feel necessary and I think the Adult Swim live version was slightly more melodic due to how the backing vocals were equally loud whereas here Buzz's take central stage.
- Stop Moving To Florida - Stop is quite infectious, I've been listening to it quite a lot since they uploaded it. Moving To Florida was much better live, I already talked about it. And since they put it in one track I was hoping there'd be some kind of mashup, but it's just one song after the other.
- Graveyard is Graveyard, of course it's awesome. I was the most hyped about it when they played it on first tour with Pinkus, now I'm not as excited about it as then, but I'm glad there's now a studio version of it.
- Break Bread is the only song on the record I strongly dislike. No thanks. As I was entering the thread I was thinking about it and particularly the repetition of the title (which isn't a great title either), and I immediately saw ian grunting about it as well :) But I do actually agree.
- Embrace The Rub - speaking of repetition (and ian grouching), the title is sung repeatedly in this one as well, quite unfittingly. That makes three songs but in Don't Forget To Breathe it actually fits and makes sense, being a mantra it is.
But. BUT! Other than that it's actually a really good and unexpected song, I don't know what makes )))((( so ː((( about it.
Overall, I like the album, but honestly I'm already waiting for the Steven era to end.
pretty weird looking at the credits for "Embrace The Rub" and seeing the name ... Josh Klinghoffer, being dude is the current guitarist for RHCP an' all ... Granted he's played with PJ Harvey and PJ is the shit ... still kinda weird Melvins rubbing shoulders w/ that bit of LA musicalia.
Quote from: Bigval on April 21, 2018, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: 119 on April 21, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
I honestly cannot wait for this "era" of the Melvins to go away...if it ever does. I don't get it. This stuff doesn't blow me away like previous releases.
Agreed, this is a very ordinary album but I can't see old Melvins ever coming back. Three Men and A Baby with it's crunchy heaviness stood out like dogs balls compared to their recent output of quirky pop songs designed to tap your feet to. It's a shame but it is what it is, age.
It's easier if you treat the newer albums like EPs. Never even made it through Break Bread, Stop moving to Florida, shaving cream, 99 bottles etc...next.... instant gratification era :lol:
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
I've listened to it maybe 10 times now. Yeah I still stand by my statement that this is their best in years.
It is way more layered than their other newer stuff. Reminds me a lot of Stag, actually.
There is A LOT going on in the background of the songs.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 21, 2018, 02:50:38 PM
Well, maybe the last two albums are indeed a bit more soft compared to their previous stuff but I do believe that Basses Loaded has some pretty good and heavy tracks, like "Beer Hippy", "The Decay Of Lying", "Choco Plumbing" and "Hideous Woman" among others.
I like Basses Loaded too but it's more a compilation album than proper album of just left over songs from the various incarnations of the band.
Quote from: (the) Razor on April 21, 2018, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: Bigval on April 21, 2018, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: 119 on April 21, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
I honestly cannot wait for this "era" of the Melvins to go away...if it ever does. I don't get it. This stuff doesn't blow me away like previous releases.
Agreed, this is a very ordinary album but I can't see old Melvins ever coming back. Three Men and A Baby with it's crunchy heaviness stood out like dogs balls compared to their recent output of quirky pop songs designed to tap your feet to. It's a shame but it is what it is, age.
It's easier if you treat the newer albums like EPs. Never even made it through Break Bread, Stop moving to Florida, shaving cream, 99 bottles etc...next.... instant gratification era :lol:
I came close to pressing stop during 'Stop Moving To Florida' and although the album did get better it wasn't much better.
"Don't Forget to Breathe" is the highlight on the first few listens. Stuck in my head all day.
I really hear the two basses in a few places to great effect. There's a place maybe in Break Bread or Flamboyant where I think Steven does an ascending fill that really works well against Pinkus (all that info could be wrong).
On "Prenup Butter" the first thing that stands out is the lowness and looseness. Are the basses both severely detuned? Just curious.
Went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Whoever can't wait for the "Steven era to end" will probably be heavily disappointed. Even though Steven wrote just one song on here, I think he's an ideal collaborator for this band at this time.
Considering this is Pinkus's farewell record ostensibly, it's a really great show of his warped mind fitting perfectly in the Melvins fold. This record has me re-appreciating Hold It In and Basses Loaded where Jeff played, too.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 22, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
"Don't Forget to Breathe" is the highlight on the first few listens. Stuck in my head all day.
I agree that is the stand out song on the album for mine and I like Prenup Butter too.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 22, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
Considering this is Pinkus's farewell record ostensibly
I hope not! I like him in the band. Certainly far more than Steven and actually more than having Jared return too.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 21, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
I Want To Hold Your Hand - well, I already loved it from when they played it on tour. This recorded version is very good, although the elongated ending doesn't feel necessary and I think the Adult Swim live version was slightly more melodic due to how the backing vocals were equally loud whereas here Buzz's take central stage.
One thing i find funny is when i listen to that song on the record i keep expecting to hear Steve shout out "yeah Buzzo" in one bit like he did when they performed it live. It's bugging me that i can't stop hearing that in my head!
Quote from: (the) Razor on April 21, 2018, 07:36:52 PM
It's easier if you treat the newer albums like EPs.
That's a good way of putting it and actually rather true. All the albums since Freak Puke have at least 4 really cool songs and then some filler. Perhaps i should start thinking of them more as expanded EP's than proper albums.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 21, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
- Don't Forget To Breathe is another definite highlight.
For some reason Jeff's vocal delivery reminded me of a bluesy take on...... dare I say the N-word here?.... Nirvana.
It's somewhat depressing, definitely a feel-bad song. Like blues but without the stoicism.
Yeah I hear that, I got some strong Lane Staley vibes from those vocals
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 22, 2018, 04:50:32 AM
Perhaps i should start thinking of them more as expanded EP's than proper albums.
I'm in the middle of putting together a compilation CD for my brother of the best songs from the last 6 years of Melvins albums. Two songs from PAT will be on it.
Not technically Melvins but I forgot how good that King Buzzo solo album was.
Quote from: Bigval on April 22, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
Not technically Melvins but I forgot how good that King Buzzo solo album was.
That's the best thing he's been associated with since Freak Puke IMO. I think that record shows Buzz can still write excellent songs. There is no doubt there. Imagine that material on electric with Dale and a bassist and that would be a brilliant Melvins album.
I mean, just look!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFPM81Cgeog
Yeah Buzzo's solo album was killer.
And I do like Pinkus in the band more than Steve.
Steve is a nice guy and fun on stage but his musical tastes (and ergo, influences) are pretty far from my personal preferences.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 22, 2018, 07:17:53 AM
Steve is a nice guy and fun on stage but his musical tastes (and ergo, influences) are pretty far from my personal preferences.
That's all it comes down to with me as well. I have no problem with him as a person. He's cool.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
haven't checked the new album yet, waiting for my copy to arrive.. though it's funny how every fan has a different opinion about it, makes me very curious
http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2018/04/19/two-bass-hit-an-interview-with-jeff-pinkus-and-steven-mcdonald/
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
haven't checked the new album yet, waiting for my copy to arrive.. though it's funny how every fan has a different opinion about it, makes me very curious
you will love it...
it is just a bit more beautiful than the navigli quarter.
it is also better than pizza.
This is the most SOLID Melvins record for me since Bulls and the Bees. Amazing cover song choices, amazing originals - especially the ear worm that is Don't Forget to Breathe.
I think what a lot of people are experiencing with all of the recent albums is fatigue due to the amount of music that they put out now. It used to be, back in the day, you would get a really solid Melvins album or EP once every 1-2 years. This requires a band to be much more selective about what songs they record and release. The Melvins are now at a point in their career where they can be as prolific as they wanna be - they are putting out new records all of the time. They have a studio and engineer at their disposal whenever they want to record and two labels that will put out everything that they do. They are constantly writing music, recording music and collaborating with new musicians or doing solo projects and side projects (Crystal Fairy). By releasing what seems like everything that they are recording, the quality of the music is not going to be as high all of the time, but the quantity is sure up there. If they were in a position of only being able to put out a record or EP in the numbers of the late eighties and early nineties, we would probably see a much different selection of songs that reach our ears. I am not complaining, and I am certainly not going to tell Buzz and Dale how to run their show, I trust them 100%, but just think that is what is going on here. I would rather have TOO MUCH Melvins music than none at all!
All of that being said - this album kicks my ass.
Quote from: sadcorps on April 22, 2018, 03:37:58 PM
This is the most SOLID Melvins record for me since Bulls and the Bees. Amazing cover song choices, amazing originals - especially the ear worm that is Don't Forget to Breathe.
I think what a lot of people are experiencing with all of the recent albums is fatigue due to the amount of music that they put out now. It used to be, back in the day, you would get a really solid Melvins album or EP once every 1-2 years. This requires a band to be much more selective about what songs they record and release. The Melvins are now at a point in their career where they can be as prolific as they wanna be - they are putting out new records all of the time. They have a studio and engineer at their disposal whenever they want to record and two labels that will put out everything that they do. They are constantly writing music, recording music and collaborating with new musicians or doing solo projects and side projects (Crystal Fairy). By releasing what seems like everything that they are recording, the quality of the music is not going to be as high all of the time, but the quantity is sure up there. If they were in a position of only being able to put out a record or EP in the numbers of the late eighties and early nineties, we would probably see a much different selection of songs that reach our ears. I am not complaining, and I am certainly not going to tell Buzz and Dale how to run their show, I trust them 100%, but just think that is what is going on here. I would rather have TOO MUCH Melvins music than none at all!
All of that being said - this album kicks my ass.
I also might be full of shit too because Maggot, Bootlicker, Crybaby and COD all came out pretty quickly. What the fuck do I know?
As more and more people listen to this record, I think it's important to note that voicing criticism of the band's current sound does not automatically imply that one wants the 90's back or that the Melvins should "return" to anything they have done in the past. Quite the contrary, venturing off into the unknown is a big part of what makes them great. It's just that trying something new or different can also result in a dud. This is a forum after all, so calling any and all critics whiny bitches, haters or nostalgic sludge worshippers is a little narrow-minded in my opinion.
That said, I like this record and it's refreshing to have some sonic layers to peel back this time around.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 21, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
Overall, I like the album, but honestly I'm already waiting for the Steven era to end.
Couldn't have put it better...
I met Steven after the Orlando show last September as he came outside to smoke a cigarette while I was waiting for a cab. We spoke for 5-10 mins and I can say that he is a super nice, cool guy.
However, I also must say that I didn't like his fit in the melvins pretty much from day one, mostly on stage.
He brings in a more "poppy", clean vibe, which I probably wouldn't mind in bands who are NOT Melvins :D
For me, Melvins (especially live Melvins) was always about heaviness, weirdness, something you FEEL, DIVE INTO, EXPERIENCE, rather than just watch or listen to. The 2 shows I've attended with Steven on bass lacked that X factor, that elusive feeling that you normally get after a Melvins show. That "what the fuck did I just watch?" (in a good way) feeling...
The shows with Steven look more "professional" if u'd like, more of a "rock show" for the fans as opposed to standard Melvins which is "Anti-fans" :lol: it lacks that "fuck you" attitude, that uniqueness that distinguishes Melvins from other bands.
It really hit me again a couple of months back when that video of Night Goat with Kevin surfaced. I'd much rather see someone like Kevin on bass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Geupgdfps
So yeah I agree about Steven :).
I also agree that this is not a bad album, but I think it's far from being one of their best.
BTW apparently I'm the only one here who likes embrace the rub??
Quote from: aeustin on April 21, 2018, 09:02:06 PM
There is A LOT going on in the background of the songs.
I noticed this going through the songs for the first time, it really makes them worth re-listening to. I don't like PAT as much as Freak Puke (still my favorite release of theirs this decade w/ Bulls & the Bees a close second) but I'd say it's the best since that one. I feel like their last couple of releases (Basses Loaded onward) have all been getting better and better after a couple mediocre ones in-between. The only thing I truly don't like about the new one is the Moving to Florida cover, I just can't take Buzz's voice on it! I think my patience for some of the Butthole Surfers' stuff wore out a while ago and doing an even more exaggerated voice than Gibby Haynes' certainly doesn't help.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 22, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
Went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Whoever can't wait for the "Steven era to end" will probably be heavily disappointed. Even though Steven wrote just one song on here, I think he's an ideal collaborator for this band at this time.
hell yeah to all of this
Well, whatever one thinks about the new album, we can all agree that it is better than the new Tool album will be.
Quote from: dead mike on April 22, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
Well, whatever one thinks about the new album, we can all agree that it is better than the new Tool album will be.
=D>
If its any clue as to what exactly I'm talking about what I said about "this era" the last Melvins album that blew me away was in fact Freak Puke. There was not one bad track on that album. Yes I also think Buzz's solo album is awesome too. All the albums after Freak Puke have been hit and miss for me. There may 2-3 songs on each album I like but the rest of them not so much.
I'm ready for another Big Business/Melvins album honestly. If there ever will be another one...
Quote from: sadcorps on April 22, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on April 22, 2018, 03:37:58 PM
This is the most SOLID Melvins record for me since Bulls and the Bees. Amazing cover song choices, amazing originals - especially the ear worm that is Don't Forget to Breathe.
I think what a lot of people are experiencing with all of the recent albums is fatigue due to the amount of music that they put out now. It used to be, back in the day, you would get a really solid Melvins album or EP once every 1-2 years. This requires a band to be much more selective about what songs they record and release. The Melvins are now at a point in their career where they can be as prolific as they wanna be - they are putting out new records all of the time. They have a studio and engineer at their disposal whenever they want to record and two labels that will put out everything that they do. They are constantly writing music, recording music and collaborating with new musicians or doing solo projects and side projects (Crystal Fairy). By releasing what seems like everything that they are recording, the quality of the music is not going to be as high all of the time, but the quantity is sure up there. If they were in a position of only being able to put out a record or EP in the numbers of the late eighties and early nineties, we would probably see a much different selection of songs that reach our ears. I am not complaining, and I am certainly not going to tell Buzz and Dale how to run their show, I trust them 100%, but just think that is what is going on here. I would rather have TOO MUCH Melvins music than none at all!
All of that being said - this album kicks my ass.
I also might be full of shit too because Maggot, Bootlicker, Crybaby and COD all came out pretty quickly. What the fuck do I know?
Don't make me separate you two.
Quote from: sadcorps on April 22, 2018, 03:37:58 PM
I would rather have TOO MUCH Melvins music than none at all!
Very well said. Although I and others have quibbled the quality of the throw it all out there and see what sticks approach I'd much rather that than the 'old' days of getting a new album every 2 years or look at some mainstream rock bands only putting out a new album every 4-5 years.
There are plenty of awesome songs on these post-TBSM albums.
Quote from: herb wilkinson on April 22, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
I just can't take Buzz's voice on it! I think my patience for some of the Butthole Surfers' stuff wore out a while ago and doing an even more exaggerated voice than Gibby Haynes' certainly doesn't help.
I know what you mean, but it's grown on me and I really dig it now. I didn't like it at first because it seemed like Buzz was emulating Gibby. After a few listens it dawned on me that this is Buzz performing a cover the way he wants to interpret it.
Quote from: Bigval on April 22, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
There are plenty of awesome songs on these post-TBSM albums.
He speaks the truth.
8 tracks, 3 of them covers. The rest of em written by Pinkus Or Steve. One track bearing Crovers name as well. Yet I see people saying this is their best album in ten years? Really? Only proof of this being a melvins album is the band name on the cover. This is a Pinkus album wih a few covers, lets be honest. I know it was said in an interview that it wasn't planned and it was done really fast which makes sense after hearing it. Hopefully someday they will learn quality over quantity unless there is quality and quantity (the trilogy) I feel like some of the same people who say this is their best in a long time are the same people who say they love prick or think the second disc of a walk with love and death is amazing. Prick was a joke and the second disc of awwlad is pretty much the same. I know buzz said the second disc was hard to do but that doesn't make it good. The original tracks aren't horrible. I was really liking prenup butter til Steven came in with that horrid bass effect. he used that same shit live on Amazon last time I saw them. Bass wah filter phaser filter what ever the fuck it is please someobe take it from him. I know they love playing with him but Jesus the dude Is a goofball and cheeses everything up on stage. I say that knowing the Melvins have a sense of humor behind everything they do.maybe they will do another album with Kevin since they jammed with him recently. I don't hate the album but it makes my head hurt to see people say it's their best album in ten years. I'll still buy the album to support them and keep them touring to my town Sorry for all the yelling but they are one of my all time favorites , now when is the Haze Edition goin up on shoxop?😅
That bass effect on Amazon live ruled!!!
let's just say the pure unadulterated evil has been replaced with a healthy dose of hippy dippy and southern sass as of late.
is it a good thing or a bad thing? beauty is as always in the ear of the beholder.
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2018/04/19/two-bass-hit-an-interview-with-jeff-pinkus-and-steven-mcdonald/
I wish Buzz had got his way and insisted on the faster Graveyard. After hearing that badass live version, the studio one feels WAY too slow. It diminishes all the awesomeness from it!
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
let's just say the pure unadulterated evil has been replaced with a healthy dose of hippy dippy and southern sass as of late.
In addition to that, I think there is a bit of a dad rock element setting in. All of them keep emphasizing how weird and out there this stuff is when it's possibly the most vanilla sounding era of the band yet.
Quote from: Oscar on April 23, 2018, 09:26:28 AM
All of them keep emphasizing how weird and out there this stuff is
True. Nothing much is really very weird now. It's more just WTF were they thinking.
I think something quite telling was in that recent Steve interview. He said Buzz is a huge contrarian. Part of me thinks all the recent Melvins output is Buzz' way of doing a complete 180. In going off and doing what no one really wants and standing by it.
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
let's just say the pure unadulterated evil has been replaced with a healthy dose of hippy dippy and southern sass as of late.
Yep, exactly.
It actually reminds me of the episode of Metalocalypse where Dethklok fired their bassist for his nasty toxic attitude
(that, and he didn't really play well - they ended up cutting out most of his parts out of the mix)... and after a while pleaded him to come back because without him their recordings ended up sounding too happy. Turned out even though he played poorly, his negativity was one of the key elements in the band's sound and recording process and they just couldn't cut it without him.
That "bite" is just something Melvins do well and it sorta seems to me like a waste of talent to do the vanilla stuff.
Quote from: Oscar on April 23, 2018, 09:26:28 AM
In addition to that, I think there is a bit of a dad rock element setting in. All of them keep emphasizing how weird and out there this stuff is when it's possibly the most vanilla sounding era of the band yet.
Right. I think Buzz either says so out of habit, or there's a disrepancy he doesn't notice between how it sounds in his head when he's planning it and how it turns out on record when the guys actually do it. I mean, the trailer for A Walk With Love And Death freaked me the fuck out, it was promising something really shocking. But a lot of the songs the actual album, at least the Death part, were inconsistent with that image. I'm wondering if Buzz doesn't quite realize how vanilla their stuff with Steven sounds and thinks they're still doing something extra weird.
He did admit in a recent interview he doesn't know what's shocking today anymore.
Maybe he just gave up on trying to go in the "twisted" direction of and just sticks with what feels good to him.
What's interesting is that Buzz can still write a mean song.
A lot, or even most, of the stuff with Dillard is just the right amount of wickedness.
Some songs on Hold It In were a great example.
Even with Steven, there are songs like Hideous Woman as well.
And the solo album.
I think they need someone who will influence them to go in a weirder and slightly darker direction.
Not in visuals - I'll pass on the dead bodies on the packaging, leave that to Unsane - what I'm interested in is getting that hard bite or heavy crush in the music.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 23, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2018/04/19/two-bass-hit-an-interview-with-jeff-pinkus-and-steven-mcdonald/
I wish Buzz had got his way and insisted on the faster Graveyard. After hearing that badass live version, the studio one feels WAY too slow. It diminishes all the awesomeness from it!
They should have done two versions like on the original Locust! What a missed opportunity.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 23, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
I'm wondering if Buzz doesn't quite realize how vanilla their stuff with Steven sounds and thinks they're still doing something extra weird.
I think that is quite possibly part of it too. The band are too much in their own bubble. You only have to see an interview with Buzz when someone asks him about current bands or music he likes and he struggles to pick anyone. He just says Big Business and Le Butcherettes all the time and often says he doesn't follow music or go to shows. I get the impression he's just wrapped up in his own thing. Dale seems to be much more aware of what bands are doing and what is out there.
reality check. they're (thereabouts) 50 years old. they're probably not interested in listening to new music. Heck... I'm "thereabouts" the same age and probably a bit of an anomaly for pursuing new music. they're interested in paying their mortgage and raising their children. and again.. I'm not trying to pick on them. I'm living the same shit except I don't get to make music to pay the bills. God bless them for making MELVINS a career thing and not tucking tail and taking a job at the local megamart like 95% of their contemporaries. but the fact of the matter in my relatable opinion is you change. you mature. you don't stay "GG Allin" forever unless you're GG Allin. do we really want 30 years of Ozma and HAT (oo... dangerous question. of course we do.) but you know what I mean. its natural evolution. I'll still here as a fan and customer. at this point maybe the MELVINS and myself are more symbiotic than ever in our 25+ year relationship.
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 22, 2018, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
haven't checked the new album yet, waiting for my copy to arrive.. though it's funny how every fan has a different opinion about it, makes me very curious
you will love it...
it is just a bit more beautiful than the navigli quarter.
it is also better than pizza.
:lol: hey, i never asked how went your italian holiday?
Quote from: black stallion on April 23, 2018, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 22, 2018, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
haven't checked the new album yet, waiting for my copy to arrive.. though it's funny how every fan has a different opinion about it, makes me very curious
you will love it...
it is just a bit more beautiful than the navigli quarter.
it is also better than pizza.
:lol: hey, i never asked how went your italian holiday?
all good, milano was nice. we recently were in mantua which was also cool (my girlfriends mother family has its roots there). love italy!
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 11:55:31 AM
reality check. they're (thereabouts) 50 years old. they're probably not interested in listening to new music. Heck... I'm "thereabouts" the same age and probably a bit of an anomaly for pursuing new music. they're interested in paying their mortgage and raising their children. and again.. I'm not trying to pick on them. I'm living the same shit except I don't get to make music to pay the bills. God bless them for making MELVINS a career thing and not tucking tail and taking a job at the local megamart like 95% of their contemporaries. but the fact of the matter in my relatable opinion is you change. you mature. you don't stay "GG Allin" forever unless you're GG Allin. do we really want 30 years of Ozma and HAT (oo... dangerous question. of course we do.) but you know what I mean. its natural evolution. I'll still here as a fan and customer. at this point maybe the MELVINS and myself are more symbiotic than ever in our 25+ year relationship.
very good point... also do not forget buzz and dale (especially) are huge fans of that vanilla sound you guys are talking about. they are mad for stuff like Beatles, The Monkees etc.. so they are doing what they like, that's it!
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 23, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 23, 2018, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 22, 2018, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 22, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Just listened all the way through for the first time. Fucking love it.
haven't checked the new album yet, waiting for my copy to arrive.. though it's funny how every fan has a different opinion about it, makes me very curious
you will love it...
it is just a bit more beautiful than the navigli quarter.
it is also better than pizza.
:lol: hey, i never asked how went your italian holiday?
all good, milano was nice. we recently were in mantua which was also cool (my girlfriends mother family has its roots there). love italy!
nice to hear man! Mantova is a cool city!
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 11:55:31 AM
they're interested in paying their mortgage and raising their children.
Buzz doesn't have any children!! He has dogs!
Both Glen and Stallion make good points there. I just wonder how much longer does this go on before it seems like their earlier releases were some kind of magical fluke?
One thing I have noticed and bought into is the idea of the Melvins being more prolific at this period in time and hence lowering the quality of output. So discography check:
1983
1984
1985
1986: 6/8/10/26 Songs
1987: Gluey Porch Treatments
1988
1989: Ozma
1990
1991: Bullhead, Eggnog
1992: King Buzzo, Dale Crover, Joe Preston, Lysol
1993: Houdini
1994: Your Choice Live Series 012, Prick, Stoner Witch
1995
1996: Stag
1997: Honky, Singles 1-12
1998: Alive at the Fucker Club
1999: The Maggot, The Bootlicker
2000: The Crybaby
2001: Electroretard, Colossus of Destiny
2002: Millennium Monsterwork, Hostile Ambient Takeover
2003: Melvinmania: The Best of the Atlantic Years
2004: Neither Here Nor There, Pigs of the Roman Empire, Never Breathe What You Can't See
2005: Mangles Demos from 1983, Sieg Howdy!
2006: Houdini Live 2005, A Senile Animal
2007
2008: Nude With Boots
2009: Chicken Switch
2010: The Bride Screamed Murder
2011: Sugar Daddy Live
2012: The Bulls and the Bees, Freak Puke
2013: Everybody Loves Sausages, Tres Cabrones
2014: Hold It In
2015
2016: Three Men and a Baby, Basses Loaded
2017: A Walk With Love and Death
2018: Pinkus Abortion Technician, ?????
I tried to limit this to non-limited edition releases, stuff I could go to the record store and buy when released, either an indy or a good chain store (RIP Tower records). Some stuff could be considered limited because of the size of the pressing but was not intentionally a special limited release (ex: Six Songs). Compilations/EPs/Live Albums count, straight re-releases do not (hence Melvinmania, but not Bulls & Bees + Electro). In those parameters I disincluded Tora, Slim's 8 Track, The End, Making Love demos, vs. Minneapolis, Pick Your Battles, Endless Residency, Smash the State, Third Man, Steven EP, 12'" or 7" single or split, and any AmRep limited edition ep whether new material or stuff that later got a wide release.
Based on those parameters and qualifiers, Pinkus Abortion Technician is the 45th Wide-Release Melvins title. There has only been 5 years since 1986 when the first EP was released that there has not been a unique Wide-Release Melvins title released to market. 1992 was the most prolific year with 4 unique releases, followed by 1994 and 2004 with 3 each. So, maybe it's not so much quantity but a change in style and perceived drop in quality - which is of course purely subjective.
# of releases
Quote from: black stallion on April 23, 2018, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 11:55:31 AM
reality check. they're (thereabouts) 50 years old. they're probably not interested in listening to new music. Heck... I'm "thereabouts" the same age and probably a bit of an anomaly for pursuing new music. they're interested in paying their mortgage and raising their children. and again.. I'm not trying to pick on them. I'm living the same shit except I don't get to make music to pay the bills. God bless them for making MELVINS a career thing and not tucking tail and taking a job at the local megamart like 95% of their contemporaries. but the fact of the matter in my relatable opinion is you change. you mature. you don't stay "GG Allin" forever unless you're GG Allin. do we really want 30 years of Ozma and HAT (oo... dangerous question. of course we do.) but you know what I mean. its natural evolution. I'll still here as a fan and customer. at this point maybe the MELVINS and myself are more symbiotic than ever in our 25+ year relationship.
very good point... also do not forget buzz and dale (especially) are huge fans of that vanilla sound you guys are talking about. they are mad for stuff like Beatles, The Monkees etc.. so they are doing what they like, that's it!
I hear you on all that, but (and I've said this before) it doesn't need to be traditionally heavy or edgy for me to enjoy it.
Shit, stuff like Black Bock or the Skin Horse outro are among some of the heaviest Melvins moments to me.
Oddly enough, their tenacity and fearlessness that I love so much seems to be turning on them. I always admired the fact that their same handful of influences has carried them over three decades of great music. But by the same token, they seem to be oblivious to a changing musical landscape. Now I'm by no means expecting them to throw a laptop and a sampler on stage to mix it up, but like ))))(((( mentioned, when it comes to new bands they seem to be completely blown away by shit like Tweak Bird and Les Butcherettes which always leaves me a bit puzzled. Sure, they make fine music but.....really?
Quote from: blacksanta on April 23, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
# of releases
I appreciate the rundown, I also think that they aren't obligated to churn out an album a year. I can't imagine that they'll go broke if they decide to work on a project for a year or two. There's always special releases and we buy anything they put out and go see them live regardless.
If you take out the live albums, compilations like Melvinmania, and things like Chicken Switch, they have put out even less true albums. Are they busy, yes, but are they that busy, I don't think so.
Funny to hear the complaints on graveyard. I always liked the quaalude version. I'm probably one of the biggest Butthole Surfer fans, but I'm not bitching about Buzzo skipping words in both songs. They are on par with all of the covers they have done. Shit they even made up funny words to Stop, which were pretty true...most people NEVER even heard of Stop, the James Gang <been a fan since I was a kid due to my sisters and their boyfriends>, much less the original. At least it is not that gawd awful Gibby/Flaming Lips Smoke on the Water.
Glen is right: beauty is as always in the ear of the beholder
Finally got a few spins in over the weekend!
I would say the only one I haven't really gotten into yet is Break Bread...
Pretty solid album back to front though, Buzz & Dale have to be some of the best collaborators in the business, I love how their work changes depending on who they are playing with!
Could you imagine if H.A.T. was released in the age of Facebook? Anti-Vermin Seed would be vilified and praised ad nauseum.
I think the discussions are great, and the opinions on P.A.T. all have merit. For me, I'm just going to enjoy it, and be excited about the tour.
Quote from: GrimReaper on April 23, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
Could you imagine if H.A.T. was released in the age of Facebook? Anti-Vermin Seed would be vilified and praised ad nauseum.
Sure rather than pass in the night with not many noticing. HAT is pure unadulterated genius, I popped it on again last week and it still blows me away.
some hardcore douchebag on a music site i frequent trashed h.a.t. really badly and inferred fans of it (and other melvins releases comparable to it) are "minimalists", like what the fuck are you talking about guy
Quote from: herb wilkinson on April 23, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
some hardcore douchebag on a music site i frequent trashed h.a.t. really badly and inferred fans of it (and other melvins releases comparable to it) are "minimalists", like what the fuck are you talking about guy
He needs a good kick to the nut sack.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on April 23, 2018, 02:07:19 AM
8 tracks, 3 of them covers. The rest of em written by Pinkus Or Steve. One track bearing Crovers name as well. Yet I see people saying this is their best album in ten years? Really? Only proof of this being a melvins album is the band name on the cover. This is a Pinkus album wih a few covers, lets be honest. I know it was said in an interview that it wasn't planned and it was done really fast which makes sense after hearing it. Hopefully someday they will learn quality over quantity unless there is quality and quantity (the trilogy) I feel like some of the same people who say this is their best in a long time are the same people who say they love prick or think the second disc of a walk with love and death is amazing. Prick was a joke and the second disc of awwlad is pretty much the same. I know buzz said the second disc was hard to do but that doesn't make it good. The original tracks aren't horrible. I was really liking prenup butter til Steven came in with that horrid bass effect. he used that same shit live on Amazon last time I saw them. Bass wah filter phaser filter what ever the fuck it is please someobe take it from him. I know they love playing with him but Jesus the dude Is a goofball and cheeses everything up on stage. I say that knowing the Melvins have a sense of humor behind everything they do.maybe they will do another album with Kevin since they jammed with him recently. I don't hate the album but it makes my head hurt to see people say it's their best album in ten years. I'll still buy the album to support them and keep them touring to my town Sorry for all the yelling but they are one of my all time favorites , now when is the Haze Edition goin up on shoxop?😅
The new album drops a GIANT DOOKIE on everything they've done the last 18yrs let alone 10. And if you want to call it a Pinkus album then mad props to him for giving Melvins and their sissy fans a good kick up the ass.
Oh and if Steve is too cheesey for you moaning toilet ghosts.....then STOP taking everything so seriously.....it's only rock'n'roll.....go drop some acid and see the world for what it truly is....people being in too much of a rush and taking everything WAAAAAAAY too seriously.
Oh yeah and Buzzo ALWAYS envisions totally weirded out twisted music to make while sniggering and thinking to himself "wait'll the fans hear THIS weird stuff!!! It'll show'em how bad-ass we are!"
Helen, are you listening to the right record here??
Quote from: Helen83 on April 24, 2018, 02:34:08 AM
Oh yeah and Buzzo ALWAYS envisions totally weirded out twisted music to make while sniggering and thinking to himself "wait'll the fans hear THIS weird stuff!!! It'll show'em how bad-ass we are!"
Yea because covering the Beatles is so weird. If you really think this is better than anything they've put out in 18 years then you've either been in a coma or you're trolling.
At this point for me (A) Senile Animal is the last great Melvins album.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on April 24, 2018, 04:50:17 AM
Quote from: Helen83 on April 24, 2018, 02:34:08 AM
Oh yeah and Buzzo ALWAYS envisions totally weirded out twisted music to make while sniggering and thinking to himself "wait'll the fans hear THIS weird stuff!!! It'll show'em how bad-ass we are!"
Yea because covering the Beatles is so weird. If you really think this is better than anything they've put out in 18 years then you've either been in a coma or you're trolling.
That was sarcasm.
Sure, Buzz did say they're not trying to be perverse. But that just means he's not going out of his way to make things weird.
They usually just come out weird naturally because he's a very eccentric person.
But for some reason that eccentricity doesn't come out to play much.
They're sort of got stuck in their comfort zone with Steven.When Joe was in the band, his complaint was
"we should be working on new material instead of just playing Kiss covers all the time".
Of course he exaggerated and he couldn't read Buzz's mind. He wasn't completely right, but
do you see his point there?When he joined the Melvins, their most unique current feature at the time was drone (Hung Bunny), and the sludge of Bullhead.
Joe no doubt wanted them to focus on that uniqueness and go forward with it, while seeing the classics worship aspect as regression.
See how this is again becoming relevant?They say you should thank life not only for your friends, but enemies as well.
Joe might have been a pain in the ass, but he was also a KICK to the ass that didn't let the band get stuck in their comfort zone.
Steven is just straight up pandering to the classic-rock-worshipping side of Buzz and that seems to overshadow his weird adventurous side.
I think they're in need a younger, edgier bassist, with wider and/or different tastes.
Someone who can take them out of their bubble for a bit so they can get a fresh outlook and get inspired anew.
This might be the first time we are really having this conversation about the band. I think it's good, this is a forum after all.
We are all aware that the Melvins do what they want, and I wouldn't want it any other way. It's not like we're running up on Buzz after a gig saying "what you SHOULD HAVE DONE is..."
Quote from: Helen83 on April 24, 2018, 02:23:39 AM
Oh and if Steve is too cheesey for you moaning toilet ghosts.....then STOP taking everything so seriously.....it's only rock'n'roll.....go drop some acid and see the world for what it truly is....people being in too much of a rush and taking everything WAAAAAAAY too seriously.
I assume you're trolling or just plain ignorant.
I've seen them play with Steve 3 times in the last two years, I was never crazy about him joining because I find Redd Kross to be one of the blandest acts out there - but kept an open mind because I trust their sensibilities. Yes it is only rock'n'roll, but if you applied that logic to all of this, then why the fuck are you on the band's official forum let alone a thread on this album.
I'm not taking anything seriously, I simply don't like him. Two different things.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 24, 2018, 05:54:20 AM
They're sort of got stuck in their comfort zone with Steven.
I agree, that's part of the dad rock I mentioned earlier. Every interview with Steven talks about the Rolling Stones over and over and over again.
Quote from: Buttcakefred on April 24, 2018, 04:54:40 AM
At this point for me (A) Senile Animal is the last great Melvins album.
Nude With Boots for me
Quote from: Oscar on April 24, 2018, 07:23:40 AM
Nude With Boots for me
Agreed
btw I think all this discussion on the pros and cons of PAT, current style etc is all very healthy it's great.
Quote from: Bigval on April 24, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
btw I think all this discussion on the pros and cons of PAT, current style etc is all very healthy it's great.
Same here. It's a nice change actually that now people are providing their opinion and both sides (or all sides!) can discuss this stuff rather than just be labelled a "hater" or excessively negative. I've always kind of bemoaned that usually this place just blindly laps up whatever they were putting out. Yet now i think it is quite telling (and interesting!) how perspectives seem to be changing a little.
ALL the albums since HAT have been run of the mill and with the exception of the odd tune here & there predictable.
My least enjoyed Melvins stuff was ALL the Big Business stuff. Them live with Melvins was great but all those albums they were on just didn't do anything.
The only reason Freak Puke stood out a bit was due to the instruments used.
The new album is the most interesting thing they've done for years & years. If you don't think so then tough titties.
When it comes to the live shows....well it doesn't matter who is with them....they always kill it. Kevin & Mark D were my preferred bass players live & in studio but Steve is absolutely fine. As long as it's a 3 piece or a 3 piece AND Pinkus its all good.
I shouldn't engage because we will forever disagree but are you seriously calling Pigs Of The Roman Empire, (A) Senile Animal, Nude With Boots and The Bride Screamed Murder run of the mill? That's a pretty exciting mill if you ask me.
Also, saying that that an album with almost as many covers as original songs is their best in years might be saying something about your general affinity for the band.
Quote from: Buttcakefred on April 24, 2018, 04:54:40 AM
At this point for me (A) Senile Animal is the last great Melvins album.
no doubt about that
Different types of fans:
The one that loves the band no matter what, and gets offended at negative remarks.
The one that likes some things, not others.
The one that likes the band because others like them.
?
??
Quote from: Oscar on April 24, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
I shouldn't engage because we will forever disagree but are you seriously calling Pigs Of The Roman Empire, (A) Senile Animal, Nude With Boots and The Bride Screamed Murder run of the mill? That's a pretty exciting mill if you ask me.
Also, saying that that an album with almost as many covers as original songs is their best in years might be saying something about your general affinity for the band.
Thank you. Yea all those albums are killer, like wtf? This guy has to be trolling. And that's what I was trying to say earlier about so many damn covers and the rest of the songs not even being written by the Melvins. Break bread sounds like a damn honky song. I don't mind Pinkus in the Melvins but I don't care for Honky. Your "general affinity for the band" part is spot on. You said it way better than me.
Quote from: PepsiMike on April 24, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
Different types of fans:
The one that loves the band no matter what, and gets offended at negative remarks.
The one that likes some things, not others.
The one that likes the band because others like them.
? Dogs
?? Babies
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on April 24, 2018, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: PepsiMike on April 24, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
Different types of fans:
The one that loves the band no matter what, and gets offended at negative remarks.
The one that likes some things, not others.
The one that likes the band because others like them.
? Dogs
?? Babies
:lol:
Quote from: Oscar on April 24, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
I shouldn't engage because we will forever disagree but are you seriously calling Pigs Of The Roman Empire, (A) Senile Animal, Nude With Boots and The Bride Screamed Murder run of the mill? That's a pretty exciting mill if you ask me.
Also, saying that that an album with almost as many covers as original songs is their best in years might be saying something about your general affinity for the band.
Ah crap forgot about Pigs Of The Roman Empire. That did indeed kick ass.
And yes a Melvins mill on the run is a bit more exciting than most but that shouldn't exempt them from being called out.
I mean when you talk about comfort zone you can't help but think of the Melvins/Big Biz albums.
Oh and Honky rules.....well the Melvins album that is Waka Waka Waka.
I'm a troll because I think some recent Melvins albums are pish compared to some their previous albums? MAN UP!!!
I got an idea guys.....let's argue about vibrations in the air that make us wiggle our bums & stroke our chins! :cheers: :cheers: \:D/
It's not my intention to elude the current discussion but I would like to know if anyone has seen the RSD version of the album yet. I've been trying to find pictures of the aluminum version without any success.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 24, 2018, 03:11:18 PM
It's not my intention to elude the current discussion but I would like to know if anyone has seen the RSD version of the album yet. I've been trying to find pictures of the aluminum version without any success.
That was a joke, if you're referring to what I think. Aluminum version = regular cd.
Quote from: Helen83 on April 24, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
I mean when you talk about comfort zone you can't help but think of the Melvins/Big Biz albums.
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I love the Melvins uber-evil character, I think those songs have always been more frightening than pretty much any other music, even those that were labeled devil music or identified as such.
After inspiring a genre full of copycats with tracks like "Eye Flys" and "Hung Bunny/ROman Dog Bird" they continued to surprise me with chilling darkness like "Goggles," "At The Stake," "Divorced," "Mouth Breather," "They All Must Be Slaughtered," "The Fool, The Meddling Idiot," "See How Pretty, See How Smart." and so forth. These are all songs I would put on the mix for that guy's little brother that he's always mentioning.
I love that "Don't Forget to Breathe" taps into that without being at all a repeat. And that it's not even buzz's song. It ends up with a string section. It's one of the most adventurous things they've done since Freak Puke.
Elsewhere I hear echoes of the disturbed Melvins that I love so much, something that was rather absent from Death, ironically.
There's also some really cool sounds in "Prenup Butter" and "Flamboyant Duck"
I like that "Stop Moving to Florida" is not at all connected. I think it's a funny continuation of their assault on the traditional tracklist. I don't know the BHS (BS?) catalog well enough to reference the original of "Graveyard" or "Florida." I like Buzz's performance on "Moving to Florida" but I'm not stoked about the EQ and mixing on it until I turn the record up way too loud, which actually works well for the song.
I like that they were very honest about the album, its origins and speed to make. If it's only a stop-gap between two Buzz-penned albums then it's among the best we could have hoped for.
If you're over the age of thirty and you regret spending $12 for this album I seriously pity you. If you need to skip a song you can.
If you're under thirty you probably think all music sounds like an MP3 and have never bought an album anyway.
Break Bread was a Honky song written with Bobby and Dale. Honky did not use it, so the Melvins did.
All the Melvins albums have stinkers on them. I think the only one that I will fully listen too without skipping something is the maggot. And I retracked that one anyways, so to say it is cut up no wonder you don't skip songs, is a wrong.
I guess i'm In the boat that likes some things but not others. If I hear eye flies or youth of America one more time I'm going to hurl.
It is a pawty y'all, just listen to it and have a good time, or if you don't like it, pass and not continuously bitch about it. Or are you the troll?
I get it, to say it is the best in 20 years with half the songs being covers, is that a stretch? Not necessarily.
I made a point awhile back, I'm biased, and said your will either really like it or really hate it.
To each their own.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on April 24, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 24, 2018, 03:11:18 PM
It's not my intention to elude the current discussion but I would like to know if anyone has seen the RSD version of the album yet. I've been trying to find pictures of the aluminum version without any success.
That was a joke, if you're referring to what I think. Aluminum version = regular cd.
The Record Store Day version was a joke? I thought it was real since it was posted as a message on the Melvins Facebook page... well, clearly my english is not that good.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 24, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on April 24, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on April 24, 2018, 03:11:18 PM
It's not my intention to elude the current discussion but I would like to know if anyone has seen the RSD version of the album yet. I've been trying to find pictures of the aluminum version without any success.
That was a joke, if you're referring to what I think. Aluminum version = regular cd.
The Record Store Day version was a joke? I thought it was real since it was posted as a message on the Melvins Facebook page... well, clearly my english is not that good.
Yup.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 24, 2018, 05:45:42 PM
I love the Melvins uber-evil character
Count me in on that also.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on April 24, 2018, 05:48:39 PM
All the Melvins albums have stinkers on them.
Woah!! No way. VERY rarely any prior to Freak Puke.
this is so funny :lol:
Quote from: black stallion on April 25, 2018, 05:31:42 AM
this is so funny :lol:
I made/posted that!
I cringe at my mistake spelling "few" as "fear" though.
That is fucking brilliant! :lol:
Also, PAT showed up in the mail today. He gets better with every listen.
PAT is a good boy. He may even be the goodest boy of this decade.
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Can anyone tell which song this was being recorded here then? Im intrigued as to which one it was and i can't for the life of me remember hearing that part on the album.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPLgAZLj8sn/?
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 26, 2018, 09:51:06 AM
Can anyone tell which song this was being recorded here then? Im intrigued as to which one it was and i can't for the life of me remember hearing that part on the album.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPLgAZLj8sn/?
Fairly certain that is from Don't forget to breathe.
I agree that Senile Animal was the last great album from start to end, since then it's been hit or miss for me mostly. Nude With Boots was nice but not super nice. I think they should've ended the Big Biz collaboration at that point. TBSM was meh. Bulls'n'Bees - okay, but not more. Not a fan of Freak Puke either, full of mediocre songs. Everybody Loves Sausages was really fun, but is obviously no regular album in the classic sense. I like Tres Cabrones pretty much. Not so much love for the Pinkus-influenced song on Hold It In, plus it sounds really flat production-wise, otherwise it's quite good. Never got into TMAAB at all. Basses Loaded is my favorite album of the decade so far, but I consider it more of a compilation. AWWLAD... read what I wrote about Freak Puke. Frankly lots of criticism here, but on the other hand I absolutely love them live, no matter which songs they play and they're still one of my all time favorite bands and I'd definitely rather have them release too much than too less!
Now to PAS: Definitely one of the better efforts recently! Stop is fine. Love their version of Moving To Florida. Cannot understand the dislike for Embrace The Rub, certainly far away from regular Melvins-style but I dig it nontheless. Don't Forget To Breath is cool, agreed on the resemblance to Staley's singing style. Flamboyant Duck could totally have been on Dale's solo album, first half is super catchy and sweet sounding, second half I consider rather boring and pointless. Break Bread and Prenup Butter are solid but nothing that will stay in my ear. I Wanna Hold Your Hand should've been more like the recent live versions but not much to complain about here really, good version. Unsure what to think about Graveyard. Overall experience is positive.
Quote from: aeustin on April 26, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Fairly certain that is from Don't forget to breathe.
That's what i maybe thought. Although i wasn't sure. I guess Prenup Butter is the only other possible one.
Quote from: aeustin on April 25, 2018, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: black stallion on April 25, 2018, 05:31:42 AM
this is so funny :lol:
I made/posted that!
I cringe at my mistake spelling "few" as "fear" though.
ah, you made my day with that!
The Melvins well of greatness is so bottomless, so rewarding that it doesn't feel right to flat-out dump on them. However, as much as I admire, respect the urge to experiment, PAT is not an experiment that paid off. Proof for me is when Buzz finally takes lead vocals. He has total command of his voice, seems to be interested in the sound and has always done so much with that sound, whereas Pinkus is a "singer", and a bland one at that. Generic bellowing at best. If I wanted to hear him sing, I'd get his solo album or some Honky. Anyway, Buzz will keep experimenting and we all will benefit. For me this one is a big miss, one I won't be buying, but shit, their track record is too great to bail out now.
Still, I cannot wait for him to lose that EGC guitar. The heft is gone. Same situation with Duane Dennison on the Jesus Lizard reunion shows. Those guitars are souped up banjos, they just don't cut it.
Flory-duh!
I placed an order a few days ago at ImportCDs and none of the latest albums could be included because both Sleep and Melvins were -and still are- back ordered. I'm going to wait maybe around next month when (hopefully) the hype has decreased.
Quote from: squawx on April 27, 2018, 03:51:17 AM
Still, I cannot wait for him to lose that EGC guitar. The heft is gone. Same situation with Duane Dennison on the Jesus Lizard reunion shows. Those guitars are souped up banjos, they just don't cut it.
I'm no guitarist and don't study this stuff, but ever think that Buzz's sound has changed due to amplification/pedals, and not the axe?
I'm always a fan of old-school tube amps & Strats/Les Pauls, but with Primus for instance I sort of miss when Ler used to sling the PRS. Not sure what exactly, but I know he changed amps from what he used in the '90s to now.
Quote from: squawx on April 27, 2018, 03:51:17 AM
Still, I cannot wait for him to lose that EGC guitar. The heft is gone. Same situation with Duane Dennison on the Jesus Lizard reunion shows. Those guitars are souped up banjos, they just don't cut it.
100% agree. Buzz's guitar tone used to sound incredible, but now he plays that squawk box sounding thing through a single half stack (the other half stack up there isn't even on) - The heaviness is at about 50% what it used to be. I didn't even buy tix to this current tour cuz their live sound has been pretty disappointing to me the last 5 years or so. And I also agree with the criticisms of recent Melvins albums in this thread. At this point, I'm buying them strictly out of habit. I haven't listened to any of them more than a couple times really since SENILE. They all sound pretty tossed off to me, especially the last few.
I'll always love Melvins but I haven't been really excited by the band in quite some time. (shrug)
Quote from: DeeSonyaChin on April 27, 2018, 09:37:52 AM
Flory-duh!
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Quote from: mikewilliamson on April 27, 2018, 06:39:02 PM
100% agree. Buzz's guitar tone used to sound incredible, but now he plays that squawk box sounding thing through a single half stack (the other half stack up there isn't even on)
All of the speakers you see on stage are powered on. The two amp heads you see, one is strictly a backup. Watch the rig rundown.
Final verdict is a "Highest possible recommendation". The record is just too damn fun not to pass up.
http://doodlehound.blogspot.com/2018/04/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician.html (http://doodlehound.blogspot.com/2018/04/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician.html)
Quote from: meezer on April 27, 2018, 09:58:05 PM
Quote from: mikewilliamson on April 27, 2018, 06:39:02 PM
100% agree. Buzz's guitar tone used to sound incredible, but now he plays that squawk box sounding thing through a single half stack (the other half stack up there isn't even on)
All of the speakers you see on stage are powered on. The two amp heads you see, one is strictly a backup. Watch the rig rundown.
Yeah, I've seen the rundown, and seen him play live half a dozen times with this new setup. He used to use multiple heads through multiple cabs, and they were face meltingly loud. The last show of theirs I saw (the Echo in LA last year) I was directly in front of his amp, front row, and I could BARELY feel the power. Time before that, at the Troubadour, front row in front of him and I could barely hear the guitar at all. It's just a really weak setup for this style of music, whereas previously I may have pointed to his live gear as a reference point for how heavy guitar rock should sound.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 19, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
Just heard the majority of this album (bar 'Flamboyant Duck'). Prior to listening i was on the fence of if to buy it or not. Thankfully i have to say this is actually quite a solid record. 'Don't Forget To Breathe' in particular is an undeniably cool song and the album highlight. 'Graveyard is a little slower than the live version i was used to hearing and loved but still good. Hey, perhaps from now on Jeff Pinkus should write ALL Melvins material!!
Easy now, let's not get crazy.
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 22, 2018, 04:15:24 AM
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 22, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
Considering this is Pinkus's farewell record ostensibly
I hope not! I like him in the band. Certainly far more than Steven and actually more than having Jared return too.
For live shows, I easily prefer Steven over Pinkus but kinda can't stand Steven's songs and lead vocals so far (both studio and live). For me, Jared blows them both out of the water both live and in the studio. I definitely miss the Big Business aided live configuration.
Quote from: Helen83 on April 24, 2018, 02:23:39 AM
Quote from: dirtmerchant on April 23, 2018, 02:07:19 AM
8 tracks, 3 of them covers. The rest of em written by Pinkus Or Steve. One track bearing Crovers name as well. Yet I see people saying this is their best album in ten years? Really? Only proof of this being a melvins album is the band name on the cover. This is a Pinkus album wih a few covers, lets be honest. I know it was said in an interview that it wasn't planned and it was done really fast which makes sense after hearing it. Hopefully someday they will learn quality over quantity unless there is quality and quantity (the trilogy) I feel like some of the same people who say this is their best in a long time are the same people who say they love prick or think the second disc of a walk with love and death is amazing. Prick was a joke and the second disc of awwlad is pretty much the same. I know buzz said the second disc was hard to do but that doesn't make it good. The original tracks aren't horrible. I was really liking prenup butter til Steven came in with that horrid bass effect. he used that same shit live on Amazon last time I saw them. Bass wah filter phaser filter what ever the fuck it is please someobe take it from him. I know they love playing with him but Jesus the dude Is a goofball and cheeses everything up on stage. I say that knowing the Melvins have a sense of humor behind everything they do.maybe they will do another album with Kevin since they jammed with him recently. I don't hate the album but it makes my head hurt to see people say it's their best album in ten years. I'll still buy the album to support them and keep them touring to my town Sorry for all the yelling but they are one of my all time favorites , now when is the Haze Edition goin up on shoxop?<span class="emoji-outer emoji-sizer"><span class="emoji-inner" style="background: url(chrome-extension://immhpnclomdloikkpcefncmfgjbkojmh/emoji-data/sheet_apple_32.png);background-position:59.9882491186839% 67.97884841363103%;background-size:5418.75% 5418.75%" data-codepoints="1f605"></span></span>
The new album drops a GIANT DOOKIE on everything they've done the last 18yrs let alone 10. And if you want to call it a Pinkus album then mad props to him for giving Melvins and their sissy fans a good kick up the ass.
Oh and if Steve is too cheesey for you moaning toilet ghosts.....then STOP taking everything so seriously.....it's only rock'n'roll.....go drop some acid and see the world for what it truly is....people being in too much of a rush and taking everything WAAAAAAAY too seriously.
To each their own but....lol no, not even close. I'm a complete Melvins nut and this record does basically nothing for me outside of Don't Forget To Breathe. Not enough Buzz and too many covers would be my biggest complaints.
Quote from: mikewilliamson on April 27, 2018, 06:39:02 PM
At this point, I'm buying them strictly out of habit.
Pretty much the same here.
Quote from: black stallion on April 24, 2018, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: Buttcakefred on April 24, 2018, 04:54:40 AM
At this point for me (A) Senile Animal is the last great Melvins album.
no doubt about that
I agree but I admit that Freak Puke holds a special place for me too. So its tough. Everything after that has been hit and miss. Three Men and a Baby was brilliant though.
I could definitely make a great compilation of the songs I like since ASA and toss the rest.
Ultimately what this new album is, is an album of songs that Buzz and Dale as fanboys would want from some of their heroes.
Im not that big of a fan of Butthole Surfers.
It's funny to see folks who don't frequent the rest of the board fall into the Helen83 troll trap! :lol:
Quote from: meezer on April 28, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
It's funny to see folks who don't frequent the rest of the board fall into the Helen83 troll trap! :lol:
The honey trap.
Who is this chick calling us all sissies!
lmao am I the only one here that still unironically enjoys them?
Quote from: aeustin on April 28, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
lmao am I the only one here that still unironically enjoys them?
I enjoy the Melvins as much as I ever did, which is a whole lot. I just think they're going through a career lull.
Some of my lifelong favourites have dropped stinkers, still love em to death.
It's like being a Zappa fan in the 80s, I guess.
Quote from: aeustin on April 28, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
lmao am I the only one here that still unironically enjoys them?
Nope, I'm also one. PAT rules, though I can sort of see why some might call it their "Diver Down". Bottom line, The Melvins are still making great music. It'll take most people 5 yrs to catch up with what they're doing, as it did with NWB, BSM, etc.
It's like when Miles said "I've changed the course of jazz like 4 or 5 times". Just substitute "jazz" for "punk/metal" & there you have the Melvins.
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Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on April 21, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
Overall, I like the album, but honestly I'm already waiting for the Steven era to end.
Couldn't have put it better...
I met Steven after the Orlando show last September as he came outside to smoke a cigarette while I was waiting for a cab. We spoke for 5-10 mins and I can say that he is a super nice, cool guy.
However, I also must say that I didn't like his fit in the melvins pretty much from day one, mostly on stage.
He brings in a more "poppy", clean vibe, which I probably wouldn't mind in bands who are NOT Melvins :D
For me, Melvins (especially live Melvins) was always about heaviness, weirdness, something you FEEL, DIVE INTO, EXPERIENCE, rather than just watch or listen to. The 2 shows I've attended with Steven on bass lacked that X factor, that elusive feeling that you normally get after a Melvins show. That "what the fuck did I just watch?" (in a good way) feeling...
The shows with Steven look more "professional" if u'd like, more of a "rock show" for the fans as opposed to standard Melvins which is "Anti-fans" :lol: it lacks that "fuck you" attitude, that uniqueness that distinguishes Melvins from other bands.
It really hit me again a couple of months back when that video of Night Goat with Kevin surfaced. I'd much rather see someone like Kevin on bass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Geupgdfps
So yeah I agree about Steven :).
I also agree that this is not a bad album, but I think it's far from being one of their best.
BTW apparently I'm the only one here who likes embrace the rub??
Actually, I also like Embrace The Rub. You're not the only one.
Quote from: Oscar on April 23, 2018, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: glen on April 23, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
let's just say the pure unadulterated evil has been replaced with a healthy dose of hippy dippy and southern sass as of late.
In addition to that, I think there is a bit of a dad rock element setting in. All of them keep emphasizing how weird and out there this stuff is when it's possibly the most vanilla sounding era of the band yet.
Heard it a few years ago too.
I mean it's totally understandable but glad someone else hears it too. At least it's not like rolling stones in the 80s or 90s or beyond. :lol:
Reading through this thread was really interesting, as it's hard to pin down exactly what it is with the band in the last decade in terms of the quality of albums but it is telling that they are constantly looking at collaborations at this point.
I think the best thing would be for them to go finish off the next Fantomas or side projects for a few years, Dale has a lot more in him with his solo material and other side projects. Just take a break from Melvins and come back fresh after a few years.
Its not about heaviness or them releasing ozma again, it's just being able to get to that level again where what they were releasing was confident. I mean let's be honest, will people still be listening to Stag and HAT in 20, 30 years? Yes! These new albums not so much landmark or timeless in that sense.
I'm just an armchair critic of course and what would I know about music but the latest string of albums to my ears do not sound like the same impactful controlled output Melvins of past.
Just some random thoughts and opinions to go along with this thread:
I'm what one would consider a Melvins fanboy. Some of their stuff that I couldn't really get into at the time (Big Biz trilogy, Bootlicker) I listened to over and over and developed an appreciation for it. I guess that's my keyword for this post: appreciation. PAT is far from perfect, too many covers, etc., but I appreciate it because it comes from the Melvins and their allies.
Shit, I'm just glad they don't release the same album time after time like AC/DC or Judas Priest do. On PAT, my favorites are Flamboyant Duck and Breathe. I'm glad they did the Butthole covers because it was a chance for me to get into the Surfers (I only previously knew Electric Larryland really).
I've only seen Melvins four times live (in two days it will be five!), so I've only seen Pinkus and Steve. I like Steve's jumping around and his energy onstage, but it does get old after a while. I prefer Pinkus' style of hanging back and plucking away with his beer within easy reach on a cinder block (at least at the Texas shows he does that).
I thought the Death album was a masterpiece (notice I didn't say AWWLAD). Melvins have lots of misses and things that don't work on their albums -- Barcelonian Horseshoe Pit comes to mind -- but I will always love and appreciate what they do because they're the fuckin' Melvins. I try to see those tracks as soundscapes and not just "songs."
I think their best album this decade is Hold It In (Yes, even though I said Death was a masterpiece). HII has the raw elements that I love. Pinkus' singing style sounds like a pissed off Buzz, in a good way.
By the way, does anyone else make Melvins shows into mini holidays from work? I'm taking one day off as a travel day (only 2 hour drive) and to see the show and another day to recover.
If Melvins seem in a rut or stuck in dad rock or whatever, remember, it's a pendulum. Sooner or later they'll be working with other people, and that pendulum will swing again. Just enjoy the music and have fun. That's what I do.
^ Well said.
At the end of the day an off Melvins release is like an off Coens brother film - still better than majority of what's out there even if the experiment doesn't quite work or gets compared to their old work.
With so many talking about the spotty releases Melvins have had over the last ~decade, it has me wanting to start a new thread where everyone puts together their own 2010 and forward Best of Melvins collection that's no longer than 80 minutes.
Or maybe just do that in here?
Quote from: spliff(TONE) on April 28, 2018, 11:51:26 PM
With so many talking about the spotty releases Melvins have had over the last ~decade, it has me wanting to start a new thread where everyone puts together their own 2010 and forward Best of Melvins collection that's no longer than 80 minutes.
Or maybe just do that in here?
I decided to make up a post-2012 compilation CD for my brother and gave it to him today. Even though it was meant to be the post-BB era and the start of the collaborative era I decided to start at Bulls & Bees rather than Freak Puke just because of how good I think that EP is and don't rate Freak Puke. I also decided to put the Bowie cover and a taste of the Buzz solo album at the end there for him too.
1. We Are Doomed
2. National Hamster
3. Psychodelic Haze
4. Sesame Street Meat
5. Chicken 'N' Dump
6. The Decay of Lying
7. Choco Plumbing
8. Phyllis Dillard
9. Euthanasia
10. Flaming Creature
11. Cactus Party
12. Don't Forget To Breathe
13. Prenup Butter
14. Station To Station
15. Vaulting Over A Microphone
Quote from: spliff(TONE) on April 28, 2018, 11:51:26 PM
everyone puts together their own 2010 and forward Best of Melvins collection that's no longer than 80 minutes.
Probably longer than 80 minutes but these are the ones that would be in contention for me.
The War On Wisdom
We Are Doomed
Mr Rip Off
Inner Ear Rupture
Baby Won't You Weird Me Out
Worm Farm Waltz
A Growing Disgust
Holy Barbarians
Let Me Roll It
Romance
City Dump
American Cow
Onions Make The Milk Taste Bad
Sesame Street Meat
The Bunk Up
The Decay Of Lying
Beer Hippie
Captain Come Down
Hideous Woman
Planet Destructo
Black Heath
Sober-delic (Acid Only)
Euthanasia
Flaming Creature
That's a great idea for a different thread. We're talking about this new album here mang. :D
well that was about 4 minutes to sell out. Surprised it went that fast :shock: ...must be the album art
Quote from: agentcooper on April 29, 2018, 12:06:00 PM
well that was about 4 minutes to sell out. Surprised it went that fast :shock: ...must be the album art
Yeah, used to be you'd see the sell times posted here but now that they sell out so quickly...
Wait...what did I miss?
Got one... :D
4min and they were gone.
art edition going up next week, exact date tbc on amrep facebook.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 29, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
Wait...what did I miss?
200 Green w\ pinwheel vinyl
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-lp
There's definitely some version selling on tour, so I don't think this was the last chance to pick one up!
Edit: Oops see above :P
Quote from: buddy holiday on April 29, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
...art edition going up next week, exact date tbc on amrep facebook.
If I hear about it I'll post the time here for the non Facebook people!
Snooze :(
20 minutes too late.
there will also be a "factory made" amrep vinyl edition coming in a few weeks.
this will be cheaper and easy to get.
the limited red variant is with the band on tour, and as mentioned before there will be an art edition going up next week.
Price was...?
50$.
Damn. Was it a surprise? Wish I would have known
follow Tom Hazelmyer's instagram and facebook.
I don't have an account on either.... :(
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 29, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
I don't have an account on either.... :(
Sorry dude! I don't either...the only reason I heard was because my wife has an account.
Next time I'll be sure to drop you a line if I get the heads up
Quote from: deatheats on April 29, 2018, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 29, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
I don't have an account on either.... :(
Sorry dude! I don't either...the only reason I heard was because my wife has an account.
Next time I'll be sure to drop you a line if I get the heads up
Thank you good sir! Let's hang out sometime soon.
We need a support network here. :lol:
I slept 8 solid hours today after work, and feel pretty good about it.
Instagram is free and you can just follow others if you don't want to post stuff. If you are on this website...its not a stretch to make the next step :). I follow a ton of bands/artists...currently its the best social media type of thing for keeping up on new shows, merch, etc.
Here is Tom's last post, hinting at the art editions coming up.
Ok, I see the logic behind the vinyl but releasing a CD with the same tracks as the Ipecac edition, I really don't see the point... the only difference is the artwork.
just had my first listen of PAT.. what to say? i like it, especially the proper songs.. could've done without the covers, only one i really like is Stop Moving to Florida, without the James Gang part though. production, as for all recent albums, is the main complaint, especially speaking of Buzz guitar. favourite track is Don't Forget to Breath, very good! in conclusion, still love the band, they have some great moments..... this album would have been very good adding three more new songs instead of the covers.
All is wish for is that they keep Pinkus in rotation for as long as possible. The guy is a great musician and a cool dude too.
Quote from: black stallion on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
only one i really like is Stop Moving to Florida, without the James Gang part
Wow!! I think i prefer Stop over Moving To Florida.
Quote from: black stallion on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
favourite track is Don't Forget to Breath, very good!
Yep. That's easily the best of the bunch.
Quote from: Oscar on April 24, 2018, 04:47:37 PM
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lol. this whole thread pretty much.
and i... still havent bought the album.
doesn't get any better(cheaper) than this
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-cd
Quote from: GiveMe45 on April 29, 2018, 07:05:10 PM
Thank you good sir! Let's hang out sometime soon.
Agreed! Long overdue!
Flamboyant Duck now stuck in my head
Quote from: black stallion on May 02, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
Flamboyant Duck now stuck in my head
It is Dale that sings that one right? I can't really tell if it's Dale or Steve. Same goes for on 'Embrace The Rub' too.
Quote from: ))))(((( on May 02, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: black stallion on May 02, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
Flamboyant Duck now stuck in my head
It is Dale that sings that one right? I can't really tell if it's Dale or Steve. Same goes for on 'Embrace The Rub' too.
mmh, i think Dale on Flamboyant D. and both Dale&Steven on Embrace the Rub
Quote from: aeustin on May 01, 2018, 09:59:16 AM
All is wish for is that they keep Pinkus in rotation for as long as possible. The guy is a great musician and a cool dude too.
This. At first I didn't like Jeff during his first live shows with the band, then I began to really appreciate the way he approached to the older Melvins' material and since "Hold it in" I like his style more than Steven's.
Discounting bassists that won't ever return, this is my preferred order of Melvins bassist.
1. Kevin
2. Trevor
3. Jeff
4. Jared
5. Steve
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on May 02, 2018, 09:00:58 AM
doesn't get any better(cheaper) than this
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-cd
Thanks for the heads up!
Quote from: ))))(((( on May 02, 2018, 03:31:37 PM
Discounting bassists that won't ever return, this is my preferred order of Melvins bassist.
1. Kevin
2. Trevor
3. Jeff
4. Jared
5. Steve
Mine Goes:
1. Kevin
2. Jeff
3. Trevor
4. Steve
5. Jared
Nothing against Jared at all but he just seems far less versatile than the others. That really isn't a bad thing, cause he really does what he does well.
Jarod and Buzz vox were awesome.
More PAT lps are scheduled to be restocked for the tour. What kind/cover? I don't know. When? I don't know.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 02, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
More PAT lps are scheduled to be restocked for the tour. What kind/cover? I don't know. When? I don't know.
Well then THANKS FOR NOTHING :D :P
Quote from: rimb on May 02, 2018, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cheese on May 02, 2018, 09:00:58 AM
doesn't get any better(cheaper) than this
https://www.shoxop.com/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-cd
Thanks for the heads up!
I saw that the other day. Seems kind of odd that they'd put this up for sale, basically undercutting the standard Ipecac CD by more than half price. When AmRep recently did a $5 CD of Prick w/ new art, that made sense since they were both thru AmRep and the orig was out of print.
Had PAT come out on CD first thu Amrep, I'd have grabbed it and not bothered with the Ipecac CD @ $12 or whatever it was. They probably figure most diehard fans who still prefer CDs will want the AmRep version w/ variant art too at that cheap price.
I'd buy that CD if the international shipping wasn't so high to completely negate the cheap CD.
Here's my take on the record:
https://www.punknews.org/review/15756/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician
Quote from: ))))(((( on May 02, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: black stallion on May 02, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
Flamboyant Duck now stuck in my head
It is Dale that sings that one right? I can't really tell if it's Dale or Steve. Same goes for on 'Embrace The Rub' too.
Flamboyant Duck is definitely Dale. It sounds like it could have been recorded during his solo sessions.
A lot of people are hating on Break Bread. However, after I was able to get past the repeated "Break Bread" lines at the beginning, it's actually a good classic rock-style song. I'm liking it more and more.
Art addition for sale soon?
Quote from: Topaz on May 04, 2018, 09:04:13 AM
A lot of people are hating on Break Bread. However, after I was able to get past the repeated "Break Bread" lines at the beginning, it's actually a good classic rock-style song. I'm liking it more and more.
I genuinely like them all. No complaints about this album at all.
Has anyone gotten their copy from Amrep? I haven't seen a shipping notice yet and I'm getting a bit worried.....
Quote from: mrcatleg on May 04, 2018, 11:39:01 PM
Has anyone gotten their copy from Amrep? I haven't seen a shipping notice yet and I'm getting a bit worried.....
You should have received it by now, I'm thinking.
Quote from: GrimReaper on May 04, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Art addition for sale soon?
No details yet, at least not on FB.
Quote from: deatheats on May 05, 2018, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: GrimReaper on May 04, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Art addition for sale soon?
No details yet, at least not on FB.
check on haze' instagram. he posted a pic of the art edition where somebody asked in the comments "this week same place, same time?" and haze said "yes"...
so if nothing comes on fb i would check tomorrow noon CST....
Quote from: GrimReaper on May 02, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
Jared and Buzz vox were awesome.
I had only been into the band for a year when (A) Senile Animal came out and not knowing much about them, i didn't know it was two different vocalists on the album. I thought it was all Buzz! Very similar sounding and i guess complementary those two vocal wise.
Just double checking, is something going up for sale this morning?
Quote from: GiveMe45 on May 06, 2018, 11:13:10 AM
Just double checking, is something going up for sale this morning?
Not sure, I'm going to check at 10am (Pacific), just in case though.
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Up now!!
And gone!
1007 PST Sold Out.
Quote from: buddy holiday on May 05, 2018, 03:39:59 AM
check on haze' instagram. he posted a pic of the art edition where somebody asked in the comments "this week same place, same time?" and haze said "yes"...
so if nothing comes on fb i would check tomorrow noon CST....
Thanks Buddy!
I'm tired of always missing out on these :(
Quote from: deatheats on May 06, 2018, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: buddy holiday on May 05, 2018, 03:39:59 AM
check on haze' instagram. he posted a pic of the art edition where somebody asked in the comments "this week same place, same time?" and haze said "yes"...
so if nothing comes on fb i would check tomorrow noon CST....
Thanks Buddy!
:cheers:
good times! ...also if i look at the stuff you posted in "my recent purchases".
How much did the mega fancy art edition sell for?
Quote from: johnnyg on May 07, 2018, 09:22:16 AM
How much did the mega fancy art edition sell for?
$100
arrived today... great sound, also this version has one of my favourite vinyl color combinations from amrep.
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:D :cheers:
I didn't think it was possible but I have to admit Stop Moving To Florida has really grown on me now.
Quote from: Bigval on May 09, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
I didn't think it was possible but I have to admit Stop Moving To Florida has really grown on me now.
love it!
Quote from: Bigval on May 09, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
I didn't think it was possible but I have to admit Stop Moving To Florida has really grown on me now.
Well... im still waiting myself.
A few ART editions are back up
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/less-than-10-left/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-lp-art-edition
Quote from: ))))(((( on May 12, 2018, 04:39:12 AM
Quote from: Bigval on May 09, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
I didn't think it was possible but I have to admit Stop Moving To Florida has really grown on me now.
Well... im still waiting myself.
I actually like this way better after listening to the record on my niceish home stereo. Definitely Spotify through my laptop wasn't doing the album justice.
Japanese CD has the usual insert and sticker as a bonus:
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Quote from: jules on May 21, 2018, 03:59:57 AM
Japanese CD has the usual insert and sticker as a bonus:
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Do all the Japanese versions have the stickers? AWWLAD had one included as well didn't it?
Love and Death did, and Basses Loaded came with some notes to the Japanese fans from each member of the band as well as the sticker.
Man, they get l the cool stuff in Japan.
Quote from: aeustin on May 21, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Man, they get l the cool stuff in Japan.
When you drop an atomic bomb on a country the least you can do is sort them out with dope special edition records.
It's called reparations.
Quote from: Helen83 on May 22, 2018, 11:03:18 AM
When you drop an atomic bomb on a country the least you can do is sort them out with dope special edition records.
It's called reparations.
:lol:
Quote from: Helen83 on May 22, 2018, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: aeustin on May 21, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Man, they get l the cool stuff in Japan.
When you drop an atomic bomb on a country the least you can do is sort them out with dope special edition records.
It's called reparations.
:lol:
Blabbermouth have reviewed PAT and gave the album 8/10.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/pinkus-abortion-technician/
Quote from: Bigval on May 31, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
Blabbermouth have reviewed PAT and gave the album 8/10.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/pinkus-abortion-technician/
Nice!
Looks like Pitchfork instead of giving the traditional 6.5 is simply going to ignore this release :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyy6lURuEtM
Found this very interesting from Tarantino, interesting to listen to this while thinking of Melvins in a way.
Tony Bennett reviews pinkus abortion tech.
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/entertainment/4433094-album-review-latest-melvins-album-lacking-several-fronts
Quote from: PepsiMike on June 08, 2018, 12:53:53 AM
Tony Bennett reviews pinkus abortion tech.
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/entertainment/4433094-album-review-latest-melvins-album-lacking-several-fronts
He did a little Wikipedia research and never even listened to the album.
New discussion:
"Don't Forget to Breath" has really morphed into a completely different song after the first part of the tour. I attended the first show in San Diego, and the Strombo live is totally different.
Would be great to get an audio of Strombo for the commute.
This is just bad ass, a hallmark of their career:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvSVXrkSfr4
Quote from: GrimReaper on June 08, 2018, 01:07:58 AM
Would be great to get an audio of Strombo for the commute.
This is just bad ass, a hallmark of their career:
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f66d22422c094145e00e72eccbadd87920180608155019/324955b3ed1b643490b58c3d459d9fcd20180608155019/5db42f
sometime i think buttholeman is the coolest guy on planet
Quote from: black stallion on June 08, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
sometime i think buttholeman is the coolest guy on planet
Cooler than Dale? No way, not having that.
Quote from: (the) Razor on June 09, 2018, 05:01:33 AM
Quote from: black stallion on June 08, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
sometime i think buttholeman is the coolest guy on planet
Cooler than Dale? No way, not having that.
two different styles of greatness :)
Quote from: jules on June 09, 2018, 08:19:19 AM
Quote from: black stallion on June 09, 2018, 08:07:30 AM
Quote from: (the) Razor on June 09, 2018, 05:01:33 AM
Quote from: black stallion on June 08, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
sometime i think buttholeman is the coolest guy on planet
Cooler than Dale? No way, not having that.
two different styles of greatness :)
Nicely steered, Stallone!
Adriaaaaan
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on June 08, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: GrimReaper on June 08, 2018, 01:07:58 AM
Would be great to get an audio of Strombo for the commute.
This is just bad ass, a hallmark of their career:
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f66d22422c094145e00e72eccbadd87920180608155019/324955b3ed1b643490b58c3d459d9fcd20180608155019/5db42f
This recording is top notch! Thank you BHM!
This might not make any sense, but PAT is one of the most "playable" Melvins lps to date, I think. It's not in my top 5 (though I really do dig it), but if I want to listen to Lysol or Pigs of the Roman Empire, I kind of have to be in the exact mood for those albums, even though they are some of my very favorites. For PAT, I can just throw it on while driving and really enjoy it, no matter my current mindset. I also like how it is really shortly and speedy. It's kind of just a great, straight up rock record.
Quote from: johnnyg on June 11, 2018, 08:58:37 AM
This might not make any sense, but PAT is one of the most "playable" Melvins lps to date, I think. It's not in my top 5 (though I really do dig it), but if I want to listen to Lysol or Pigs of the Roman Empire, I kind of have to be in the exact mood for those albums, even though they are some of my very favorites. For PAT, I can just throw it on while driving and really enjoy it, no matter my current mindset. I also like how it is really shortly and speedy. It's kind of just a great, straight up rock record.
I know what you mean. It's way more immediate than many Melvins albums and like you say, a much easier listen.
Yep one if the most fun albums start to finish. From the first sounds of forgotten lyrics to the last grinding beats of graveyard it sounds like it was fun to make and none of that was lost in the finished product.
Don't forget to breath is growing on me.
That weird solo at 5:00 is something to behold.
It's like straight out of a 1960's stoner album, Children of the Mushroom, Iron Butterfly or Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Five more variants coming soon.
People complain about them going full-on comic publisher with all the limited variant covers but I think it's a pretty cool business model that lets them connect more directly with the fans in a way. Why not keep doing it if people are willing to pay?
It definitely reminds you of the comic book/variant cover phenomenon of the 90s. The big question is, how long are people going to keep buying? Especially the variant collectors?
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 06, 2018, 08:43:12 AM
It definitely reminds you of the comic book/variant cover phenomenon of the 90s. The big question is, how long are people going to keep buying? Especially the variant collectors?
You make a good point. If you remember, when they first started releasing the letter presses/haze editions, things would go for crazy money on ebay/discogs -3,4,5 times the "sticker price". Now, they sell for just a little more than the price at the show. I think Melvins have basically found the "market price" and are charging that. I'm all for it so long as the fancy editions are nice pieces of art- which they seem to be some 10 years on. And, for the most part, everything is available as the standard $12 cd, too.
As for comic variants, one difference I see is that you could potentially collect all comic cover variants- there's basically no way someone could collect every Melvin variant unless he was not just rich, but REALLY rich. In a way, I'm glad that this happened. When they first started doing rare stuff around 2008, I was trying to get one of everything. Now that this is no longer a possibility, I'm happy to just get the stuff I think is really cool if I can get it. Honestly, it has relieved stress on my wallet and made it less of a "box ticking" affair and more of a fun collecting type thing.
Total PAT variants:
1/ orange vinyl/ edition 100
2/ black specks /edition 100
3/ yellow /edition 100
4/ black-yellow /edition 100
5/ white black specks /edition 100
6/ test press /edition 5
7/ first cover variant /edition 30
8/ mackie letterpress AP /edition 5
9/ pinwheel green /edition 200
10/ tour Haze cover (blackish vinyl) / edition ?
11/ Haze art variant gatefold /edition 100
12/ Mackie letterpress (blackish vinyl) /edition 22
Eh... I'd say just in vinyl b-sides there's a whole two albums worth that has never seen a CD. The HAT b-sides, the Sausages b-sides, Sawed Off, With Yo Heart single, Love Canal, Pigskin, Alleged
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 06, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Total PAT variants:
1/ orange vinyl/ edition 100
2/ black specks /edition 100
3/ yellow /edition 100
4/ black-yellow /edition 100
5/ white black specks /edition 100
6/ test press /edition 5
7/ first cover variant /edition 30
8/ mackie letterpress AP /edition 5
9/ pinwheel green /edition 200
10/ tour Haze cover (blackish vinyl) / edition ?
11/ Haze art variant gatefold /edition 100
12/ Mackie letterpress (blackish vinyl) /edition 22
First person to get all the variants wins.
Quote from: johnnyg on July 06, 2018, 09:01:47 AM
there's basically no way someone could collect every Melvin variant unless he was not just rich, but REALLY rich.
But why even bother though? Who is anyone going to impress just because they have all the Melvins merch. Who is really going to care that a person has every single obscure thing from a band that most people don't even know exist? In some ways i understand the appeal and why someone would like to own such, but in other ways it seems utterly foolish.
Quote from: ))))(((( on July 06, 2018, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on July 06, 2018, 09:01:47 AM
there's basically no way someone could collect every Melvin variant unless he was not just rich, but REALLY rich.
But why even bother though? Who is anyone going to impress just because they have all the Melvins merch. Who is really going to care that a person has every single obscure thing from a band that most people don't even know exist? In some ways i understand the appeal and why someone would like to own such, but in other ways it seems utterly foolish.
Well, I can understand *wanting* to have them all. I love flipping through my records and looking at the weird ones while playing them. Collecting records brings me a lot of joy. It's not about impressing other people. It's about enjoying them as music and pieces of art. I'm just saying, at this point, collecting them all is basically impossible, so it kind of makes collecting them more fun as it's less a quest to get every single one and more a quest to get the ones you want the most.
Quote from: jules on July 06, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 06, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Total PAT variants:
1/ orange vinyl/ edition 100
2/ black specks /edition 100
3/ yellow /edition 100
4/ black-yellow /edition 100
5/ white black specks /edition 100
6/ test press /edition 5
7/ first cover variant /edition 30
8/ mackie letterpress AP /edition 5
9/ pinwheel green /edition 200
10/ tour Haze cover (blackish vinyl) / edition ?
11/ Haze art variant gatefold /edition 100
12/ Mackie letterpress (blackish vinyl) /edition 22
First person to get all the variants wins.
Afraid you will end up only second? ;-)
Honestly: That comes close to the GPT variants that have hit the planet this year...
Quote from: Garnz on July 06, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
Quote from: jules on July 06, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 06, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Total PAT variants:
1/ orange vinyl/ edition 100
2/ black specks /edition 100
3/ yellow /edition 100
4/ black-yellow /edition 100
5/ white black specks /edition 100
6/ test press /edition 5
7/ first cover variant /edition 30
8/ mackie letterpress AP /edition 5
9/ pinwheel green /edition 200
10/ tour Haze cover (blackish vinyl) / edition ?
11/ Haze art variant gatefold /edition 100
12/ Mackie letterpress (blackish vinyl) /edition 22
First person to get all the variants wins.
Afraid you will end up only second? ;-)
Honestly: That comes close to the GPT variants that have hit the planet this year...
:lol: I've got a bit of catching up to do later. Happy times!
Five of the PAT variants going up for sale Sunday, noon central time, at shoxop, $30 each.
I woulda bought it if I weren't at breakfast. :anonymous:
I was able to grab the whole set. I woke up just in time. I usually get a couple of practice runs in but I hit snooze and almost missed it. Surprised they weren't sold out by time I got logged in and checked out.
I missed this one. How much were individual lps selling for?
Quote from: johnnyg on July 09, 2018, 09:48:27 AM
I missed this one. How much were individual lps selling for?
$30.
There's 500 of these floating around, and a lot were saved for the tour coming soon. It should be fairly easy to get one.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 09, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on July 09, 2018, 09:48:27 AM
I missed this one. How much were individual lps selling for?
$30.
There's 500 of these floating around, and a lot were saved for the tour coming soon. It should be fairly easy to get one.
whoa! Cheap enough!
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Mackie & Buzz artwork with Haze vinyl. The vinyl is so pretty.
seems there was a 'weird ass' edition quickly available. only 30 though, and likely sold out instantly.
https://www.shoxop.com/collections/brand-spanking-new/products/melvins-pinkus-abortion-technician-lp-weird-ass-edition
so haze has got a whole thing about clowns, right?
DAMN, $125 USD and already sold out, some people have tons of cash or the economy is going really well in the US.
Quote from: Justafilthylurker on September 10, 2018, 08:40:40 AM
so haze has got a whole thing about clowns, right?
The Locust abortion Technician Album cover has clowns on it no?
Quote from: Dumpster D on September 10, 2018, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: Justafilthylurker on September 10, 2018, 08:40:40 AM
so haze has got a whole thing about clowns, right?
The Locust abortion Technician Album cover has clowns on it no?
I think he's referring to between this and the clown series singles.
I've gotta man up and admit I was wrong about PAT. I was on the train yesterday scratching around for something to listen to and thought I would give PAT another go and BANG like being slapped with a fish it hit just hit me how good this album actually is. I couldn't believe it. Weird as fuck, trippy, catchy, a bit heavy I don't know how I didn't I understand all this the first couple of times I listened to it.
PAT is a top shelf Melvins album it really is.
=D>
Quote from: Bigval on October 23, 2018, 10:06:06 PM
PAT is a top shelf Melvins album it really is.
Perhaps for four songs (Don't Forget To Breathe, Flamboyant Duck, Prenup Butter, Graveyard) that would be right.
It is good.
But listening to singles 1-12 today made me realise how much the Melvins changed from being drum centric to vocal harmony centric. It's like drums are toned down and take a back seat these days in place for the straight up rock. It's interesting and wonder whether Dale changed or Buzz's song writing changed.
Adapt or die.
Quote from: Dumpster D on October 29, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
Adapt or die.
Yes but seems a waste to have Dale's talents hidden taking a backseat.
Quote from: (the) Razor on October 29, 2018, 12:51:42 AM
It is good.
But listening to singles 1-12 today made me realise how much the Melvins changed from being drum centric to vocal harmony centric. It's like drums are toned down and take a back seat these days in place for the straight up rock. It's interesting and wonder whether Dale changed or Buzz's song writing changed.
i think it has something to do with Toshi
Listening to PAT again another couple of times on the train today I just love this album even more now. I can totally understand long time Melvins fans not getting into this album, fully understand. I first got into them during the Stoner Witch era and they sound like a completely different band to that now. There's no getting away from it age/boredom/potentially more commercial success are likely all factors.
I know after the BB era ended I was a bit disappointed with the next few albums (the collaborative era?) Freak Puke, Tres Cabrones & Hold It In but since then I think they've put out some very good albums. Three Men & A Baby sounds cool for how not just how old school chunky it is but Kunka's vocals really lend themselves to the music. Basses Loaded is awesome for it's 'bag of mixed lollies' feel to it with all the different bass players and some real cracking songs. A Walk with Love & Death is probably the weakest of the last four IMO but I rated that album strongly until I fell into PAT's honey pot of which I'm still yet to emerge from.
The first couple of times I listened to PAT I thought ho hum even though I always loved Don't Forget To Breathe from the moment I first heard it but then the rest of it fell into place and comes across to me as the Melvins attempt at a weird as fuck yet catchy as hell pop rock album. I know Crover recently said in an interview they want to do another album with this lineup and I really hope they do they've really hit on something with this album.
Quote from: Bigval on November 20, 2018, 06:38:53 AM
I know after the BB era ended I was a bit disappointed with the next few albums (the collaborative era?) Freak Puke, Tres Cabrones & Hold It In
Freak Puke is genius. and that tour was amazing. Different yes.. but so dam good. I'm hoping that more of those recordings surface eventually. Trevor is incredibly talented.
A big part of the appeal of Melvins (to me) is their refusal to sit still and just constantly taking chances, trying new things and experimenting.
- I think they have for a while now been trying to remove themselves from the "Stoner Rock" and "Sludge" labels that they always get stamped with.
Quote from: Bigval on November 20, 2018, 06:38:53 AM
A Walk with Love & Death is probably the weakest of the last four IMO
That record should have been two separate releases. I think that would have made more sense and allowed each side to work better in isolation. As they are together it's, like you say, not so great overall.
Quote from: ))))(((( on November 21, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Bigval on November 20, 2018, 06:38:53 AM
A Walk with Love & Death is probably the weakest of the last four IMO
That record should have been two separate releases. I think that would have made more sense and allowed each side to work better in isolation. As they are together it's, like you say, not so great overall.
Probably smart to include them together though as the soundtrack album would disappear on it's own.
When I put this album on I listen to it 2-3 times in a row and only stop for say dinner or something which then breaks the spell. It's too good it's almost unfair I've got a hard drive choc full of music I can't listen to because of this album, bastards.
I know there's still more than 12 months to go but I'm officially nominating PAT for album of the decade.
I hope you said grace before your dinner Bigval.
Quote from: GrimReaper on December 02, 2018, 06:07:09 AM
I hope you said grace before your dinner Bigval.
I'd imagine it would be like that scene in Hook.
Quote from: GrimReaper on December 02, 2018, 06:07:09 AM
I hope you said grace before your dinner Bigval.
I'm sure the joke has gone right over my head but I was going to say make tea but remembered it was an American site and I don't think you call dinner tea there? I think that's more an Aussie/British thing.
I picked up a copy of Locust Abortion Technician today I'm sure that will be an interesting listen given what PAT has done to me.
Nice.
Keep in mind it was recorded mainly with 1 microphone on an old 8 track the size of a refrigerator.
Quote from: Bigval on December 04, 2018, 07:16:34 AM
I picked up a copy of Locust Abortion Technician today I'm sure that will be an interesting listen given what PAT has done to me.
first time hearing it?
:shock: :shock:
prepare for an awakening. even now... 31 years later.
Quote from: Bigval on December 04, 2018, 07:16:34 AM
I picked up a copy of Locust Abortion Technician today I'm sure that will be an interesting listen given what PAT has done to me.
Post a review after you listen to it.
I never listened to Locust Abortion Technician as far as I know, possibly....POssibly Once...A guy I know in town at the art gallery has it on vinyl maybe he'd let me tape it sometime?
My friend showed me some Butthole surfers years ago and It blew me away how much it was like hearing some long lost relative of the Melvins in some strange way...I said even then it would be a perfect collaborative between the two bands though at the time...what do you know eh?
Anyway...it's on my list of things to get to.
I'll be sure to post my review of the Album also.
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 04, 2018, 12:18:42 PM
I never listened to Locust Abortion Technician as far as I know, possibly....POssibly Once...A guy I know in town at the art gallery has it on vinyl maybe he'd let me tape it sometime?
you mean to tell me (Dumpster.. I LOVE YOU... BUT....) you are
that totally out there and you HAVE NOT been exposed to Locust Abortion Technician?
for the love of God... please never do. I'm afraid of who and what Dumpster D might be after that awakening.
Quote from: glen on December 04, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 04, 2018, 12:18:42 PM
I never listened to Locust Abortion Technician as far as I know, possibly....POssibly Once...A guy I know in town at the art gallery has it on vinyl maybe he'd let me tape it sometime?
you mean to tell me (Dumpster.. I LOVE YOU... BUT....) you are that totally out there and you HAVE NOT been exposed to Locust Abortion Technician?
WTF, right?! Seriously? You have never been baptized? DD you seem like someone practically weaned on the dripping, oozing teat of the Locust Abortion Technician. This is frickin' unbelievable ... unfrickin'believable to the max! Dude do yourself a solid and listen to this tout suite! And be high when you do ... really high ... say acid, or maybe mesc, perhaps even spray paint (silver or gold natch).
you know that mindblown gif? Yeah, right here!
One of the greatest records ever recorded ... like Abbey Road but better
Yeah, totally was waiting for that kind of response. Yeah, well fuck you guys ok? :lol:
I'm still working my way through the Helios Creed discography, and taking my sweet time doing so.
I've been saving the Butthole surfers special to get into it eventually when I'm looking for a band to live in when all else is drawing blanks.
Maybe you need to be there for a guy who needs to be exposed to awesome shit for once? expecting people to do it themselves, since when?
I'm one of those guys who has no real friends who listen to awesome shit besides you dickweeds... damnit! :o
There's a Glass jar with some magical goodies in...If I don't know what to listen to if the occasion arises, I'll be sure to make use of the Locust Abortion Album at that point in time. I know what the butthole surfers are, and why they came to this planet in the first place...Like I said...saving them special for the right time in life.
If I don't die of anxiety attack beforehand of course. :-k
Just the first 45 seconds are going to give you and anxiety attack, then it will be all right. By the time side one finishes, you will at the great singularity. Make sure you have some weed in you before you set the needle down or push play or whatever.
PS. Conda left me a couple butthole surfers Tape cassettes...I'll see which ones he gave me...hangon a minute...
He gave me Rembrandt pussyhorse and Hairyway to steven, I listened to them once and That was pretty solid shit, I gotta admit it's long overdue and high past time I get back and re-re-listen to those a few more times, I'm probably scared I'll be so much more of a fucked up person than I already am...it's a little scary going into that kind of territory musically for a guy like me.
Butthole surfers man, what are they? Like the Pink floyd of Grunge or something. :lol:
"That kind of response" ????
that kind of response was not meant to belittle, or criticize ... it was honest surprise and bafflement ...
maybe we are here for a guy who needs to be exposed to awesome shit for once ... so take our advice and take the trip my man!
Rambrant Pussyhorse is neck and neck with Locust ... and it has a better record cover ... listen to that again in the interim ...
As for this record fucking you up? There is no other purpose for this record ... that is it's sole objective ... it's like a mantra ... there is only two states of being in the universe, pre and post Locust Abortion Technician ...
Pink Floyd? Pffftt!!! Buttholes are bigger than Jesus!
Y'all better recognize that if you haven't yet listened to Rembrandt Pussyhorse and Locust Abortion Technician then you are not yet truly alive. Get with it!
Yeah I get it, Anyway...I'll be sure to make a point to Discover these in my own time....especially when I have some people over here who I want to expose to something mind altering. :evil:
You should probably just get everything up to and including Independent Worm Saloon. Get a couple tabs of acid and some really good headphones, then prepare for the awakening.
The butts were so poor during the RPH Times, which is actually some of their first recordings, they used old recording tapes that were all ready used and did not really know what they were doing. So after they recorded creep and were playing it back, that is where the fiddle part came from it was already there from the first recording, but ended up backwards on theirs.
Quote from: spunkmonkey on December 04, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
You should probably just get everything up to and including Independent Worm Saloon. Get a couple tabs of acid and some really good headphones, then prepare for the awakening.
Let's take a moment here if possible, to talk about drugs in an open discussion, briefly..perhaps.
Couple Tabs?
I think the stuff if it's real..you only need about a half a hit IMO.
Apparently you can still get that stuff and it's still being made in places but I wouldn't ever do it casually in any sort of practical environment in my current condition I need professional supervision...hm...and on a side note..what's with too many mindless idiots these days banging opioids and dirty cheap cut Coke and Just pure street grime has taken a course to run rampant, meth? you know? what the fuck kind of shit you booking me in?!?!?
..where have the good days of psychedelics all but disappeared to while on the subject.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on December 04, 2018, 06:29:22 PM
The butts were so poor during the RPH Times, which is actually some of their first recordings, they used old recording tapes that were all ready used and did not really know what they were doing. So after they recorded creep and were playing it back, that is where the fiddle part came from it was already there from the first recording, but ended up backwards on theirs.
This is interesting information. 8)
Quote from: Bigval on December 02, 2018, 02:07:35 AM
When I put this album on I listen to it 2-3 times in a row and only stop for say dinner or something which then breaks the spell. It's too good it's almost unfair I've got a hard drive choc full of music I can't listen to because of this album, bastards.
I know there's still more than 12 months to go but I'm officially nominating PAT for album of the decade.
glad you like it so much bud,i have to disagree though...i mean, it's not bad , the Crover song (outtake from his solo album sessions probably) and Don't Forget To Breath are cool tunes....covers are fun and well done, but i consider this more as a collection of songs rather than a proper album.
what' s the latest proper album Melvins recorded? i'd say Bride Screamed Murder
What about walk?
Quote from: moose on December 05, 2018, 08:51:26 AM
What about walk?
yeah, sorry..that was an album..a double album. probably i prefer that one than PAT. i've been listening to AWWLAD more than PAT for sure
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 04, 2018, 08:14:37 PM
..where have the good days of psychedelics all but disappeared to while on the subject.
I was lucky enough to have a friend who was dating a gent in the last year, that had a connection.
Glad I took him up on the offer, cause they've already broken up and you know how that goes.
I don't touch any hard drugs other than psychedelics...fuck that noise, glad I learned that much in my 20s.
Some kids don't learn that, and end up getting hooked on something that destroys both body and mind.
KIDS!!! don't be fucking idiots.
Yeah Deatheats that's exactly what I'm talking about, some kids start off on the wrong foot.
If you're going to take drugs, don't abuse them, study and do some research into it beforehand.
Alkaloids should be taken respectfully as they can be life changing in both good and bad ways, they are useful in connecting your mind-body-spirit together in a greater sense of awareness... but... that doesn't necessarily lend any useful practicality to contemporary consumer lifestyles.
Mushrooms are not for the white man.
That's all I can say about that.
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 05, 2018, 04:13:11 PM
Some kids don't learn that, and end up getting hooked on something that destroys both body and mind.
KIDS!!! don't be fucking idiots.
Yeah Deatheats that's exactly what I'm talking about, some kids start off on the wrong foot.
If you're going to take drugs, don't abuse them, study and do some research into it beforehand.
Alkaloids should be taken respectfully as they can be life changing in both good and bad ways, they are useful in connecting your mind-body-spirit together in a greater sense of awareness... but... that doesn't necessarily lend any useful practicality to contemporary consumer lifestyles.
Mushrooms are not for the white man.
That's all I can say about that.
Well said sir! Agreed that the decision on whether to indulge should never be taken lightly.
Good thing I'm not a white man, I loves me some mushrooms.
QuoteMushrooms are not for the white man.
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Tell that to the Aztecs, Mayans and the spanish conquest.
MELVINS are quite obviously one of the greatest bands of all time.
but can we not compare PAT to LAT? I don't feel comfortable with that. sure.. you could throw Lysol or HAT or GPT or Bullhead in the ring. but PAT is going to get ran right the fuck home and put back to bed by LAT.
not saying PAT doesn't have value. because it does. but LAT is life changing.
PAT, LAT, HAT - it's hard to keep up!
Im not much of a Surfers fan, but even i will attest that Locust... is a fine album.
I know a guy with an LP of LAT, I will ask to tape it sometime like I said...Things right now In my life are fucked...I'll get to it when the dust settles...right now Like it's Just not a good time personally for me to be discovering Life changing music.
Anyway thanks guys for the shared knowledge and wisdom of righteous music.
I've never listened to any BS, and I've never seen Blade Runner. Who wants to fight me?
Never seen Blade runner...Well I got you beat there at least.
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 06, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
Never seen Blade runner...
Usually when I tell someone that they act like I just said I fucked their mom.
Quote from: asesino on December 06, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
I've never listened to any BS
A lot of people who say this will then be like 'ooohhhh, theeeese guys' when I play them either "Pepper" or "Who Was in My Room Last Night"
Quote from: DToxico on December 07, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: asesino on December 06, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
I've never listened to any BS
A lot of people who say this will then be like 'ooohhhh, theeeese guys' when I play them either "Pepper" or "Who Was in My Room Last Night"
the two single worst examples of Butthole Surfers songs IMO.
True Glen.
Blade Runner is a snooze fest.
Shame on the other.
Blade Runner is a cool movie, I wouldn't dismiss it, for it's time it's still a very visually amazing film, un-matched cinnamontography. :lol:
Quote from: glen on December 07, 2018, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: DToxico on December 07, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: asesino on December 06, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
I've never listened to any BS
A lot of people who say this will then be like 'ooohhhh, theeeese guys' when I play them either "Pepper" or "Who Was in My Room Last Night"
the two single worst examples of Butthole Surfers songs IMO.
I have a soft spot for IWS. Yeah, it's more "accessible" than earlier stuff, but it still has enough weirdness in parts that I consider it the last necessary BHS release.
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 07, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
Blade Runner is a cool movie, I wouldn't dismiss it, for it's time it's still a very visually amazing film, un-matched cinnamontography.
The first time i saw Blade Runner i wasn't impressed. In fact i thought it was a really dull, slow moving movie. So dark and difficult to see stuff too. I didn't particularly understand what it was about - and that was the redone version with the added voiceover "happy" ending. Over the years and a couple more viewings i began to appreciate it more. I haven't seen it in quite a while though. Haven't seen 2049 yet either.
Quote from: ))))(((( on December 08, 2018, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Dumpster D on December 07, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
Blade Runner is a cool movie, I wouldn't dismiss it, for it's time it's still a very visually amazing film, un-matched cinnamontography.
The first time i saw Blade Runner i wasn't impressed. In fact i thought it was a really dull, slow moving movie. So dark and difficult to see stuff too. I didn't particularly understand what it was about - and that was the redone version with the added voiceover "happy" ending. Over the years and a couple more viewings i began to appreciate it more. I haven't seen it in quite a while though. Haven't seen 2049 yet either.
Pretty much the same for me. When I first saw it I really didn't get it considered it boring and way over-hyped. But then I gave it another go a year or two later and appreciated it a lot more. I still think it's a bit over-hyped but a pretty good movie all the same and especially good for when it was made.
Rutger Hauer all the way man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfx5jlv8WUo
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I've been thinking about it for a while now, probably around a year, maybe longer. Just trying to figure out how they've evolved over the years and it's not about distortion or heaviness. It seems that in the past, a lot of the Melvin's essential DNA, what makes them Melvins is is that they presented themselves with the sideshow bob appearance, the muumuu, the gardening gloves, the ridiculous lyrics, the sense of humour. BUT. At the same time their music was totally opposite, it was nasty, heavy, punishing, savage, sharp or sludgy or disturbing. They worked in unison, two almost ironic juxtapositions if you will. This lasted for ages.
From Dadaism nonsensical lyrics of Ozma mixed with brutal delivery. The quite clean precises delivery of the bootlicker opposed by a sinister tone and sharp delivery of all those songs. loose laid back feel on Honky while strongly opposed by a disturbing ambience throughout. The more you look at it the more it appears, the stark contrast they've always maintained.
However I could never place my finger on why but only recently I think it's because the newer albums don't have this.
It seems these days the ridiculousness of the Melvin s themselves has actually translated across into the music and to me, it just doesn't work as well. they play a straight game these days.
nstead of the odd contradiction of the seriousness of their music mixed in with their sense of humour...these days it's crept across so much so that the contradiction is lost and all that is sometimes left is just that. 99 Bottles, or some of the covers.
It's not about heavy guitars or Melvins not making Lysol anymore. It's more the fact that that I think they've lost that essential ingredient which made Melvins the Melvins. It's not a diss, it's not a criticism but it's definitely the feeling I get when I hear their modern records to those of 15+ years ago.
There are some nasty/solid bits in this PAT album and the contractitions are stil there, but there are times where it just goes straight up and misses out on thisjuxtaposition d the'yve had for so many years. dont abnd me again i'm actually half drunk lol and typed this out in one go
:D Stick him in the Leg up program.
Quote from: (the) Razor on January 28, 2019, 12:07:50 AM
the sideshow bob appearance
My friend sent me this last week, reminds me of this. :lol:
Quote from: (the) Razor on January 28, 2019, 12:07:50 AM
I've been thinking about it for a while now, probably around a year, maybe longer. Just trying to figure out how they've evolved over the years and it's not about distortion or heaviness. It seems that in the past, a lot of the Melvin's essential DNA, what makes them Melvins is is that they presented themselves with the sideshow bob appearance, the muumuu, the gardening gloves, the ridiculous lyrics, the sense of humour. BUT. At the same time their music was totally opposite, it was nasty, heavy, punishing, savage, sharp or sludgy or disturbing. They worked in unison, two almost ironic juxtapositions if you will. This lasted for ages.
From Dadaism nonsensical lyrics of Ozma mixed with brutal delivery. The quite clean precises delivery of the bootlicker opposed by a sinister tone and sharp delivery of all those songs. loose laid back feel on Honky while strongly opposed by a disturbing ambience throughout. The more you look at it the more it appears, the stark contrast they've always maintained.
However I could never place my finger on why but only recently I think it's because the newer albums don't have this.
It seems these days the ridiculousness of the Melvin s themselves has actually translated across into the music and to me, it just doesn't work as well. they play a straight game these days.
nstead of the odd contradiction of the seriousness of their music mixed in with their sense of humour...these days it's crept across so much so that the contradiction is lost and all that is sometimes left is just that. 99 Bottles, or some of the covers.
It's not about heavy guitars or Melvins not making Lysol anymore. It's more the fact that that I think they've lost that essential ingredient which made Melvins the Melvins. It's not a diss, it's not a criticism but it's definitely the feeling I get when I hear their modern records to those of 15+ years ago.
There are some nasty/solid bits in this PAT album and the contractitions are stil there, but there are times where it just goes straight up and misses out on thisjuxtaposition d the'yve had for so many years. dont abnd me again i'm actually half drunk lol and typed this out in one go
I understand your point and also have the feeling that some of the latest releases lack this "meaner" sound that made earlier releases very special to me. But I am happy they come back to this with some of their later stuff like the Sabbath EP.
I love that they put out an album under the name Melvins Lite and that one's still heavier than A Walk With Love and Death and Pinkus Abortion Technician. I agree the heaviness aspect has kinda gotten lost in the shuffle as of late.
Still, PAT is a great record and probably one of my favorites in this decade.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on January 31, 2019, 06:20:30 AM
Still, PAT is a great record and probably one of my favorites in this decade.
It was my favourite Melvins album of 2018!
Thanks, I love Melvins and have for ages but online is my only outlet here so yeah, sometimse I think about this stuff.
It's not really heavyness though.
Think Tool did the same thing, they had all these dark creepy songs in the 90s but were singing about fisting and heaps of sexual inneundeo in their lyrics as an offset to the seriousness of the music.
So Tool later went ultra serious with their lyrics and music and Melvins went opposite with silly lyrics, song titles and (a lot of the time) music.
Just an observation really.
Quote from: (the) Razor on February 01, 2019, 02:43:26 AM
Thanks, I love Melvins and have for ages but online is my only outlet here so yeah, sometimse I think about this stuff.
It's not really heavyness though.
Think Tool did the same thing, they had all these dark creepy songs in the 90s but were singing about fisting and heaps of sexual inneundeo in their lyrics as an offset to the seriousness of the music.
So Tool later went ultra serious with their lyrics and music and Melvins went opposite with silly lyrics, song titles and (a lot of the time) music.
Just an observation really.
Your observation is correct.
Quote from: (the) Razor on January 28, 2019, 12:07:50 AM
I've been thinking about it for a while now, probably around a year, maybe longer. Just trying to figure out how they've evolved over the years and it's not about distortion or heaviness. It seems that in the past, a lot of the Melvin's essential DNA, what makes them Melvins is is that they presented themselves with the sideshow bob appearance, the muumuu, the gardening gloves, the ridiculous lyrics, the sense of humour. BUT. At the same time their music was totally opposite, it was nasty, heavy, punishing, savage, sharp or sludgy or disturbing. They worked in unison, two almost ironic juxtapositions if you will. This lasted for ages.
From Dadaism nonsensical lyrics of Ozma mixed with brutal delivery. The quite clean precises delivery of the bootlicker opposed by a sinister tone and sharp delivery of all those songs. loose laid back feel on Honky while strongly opposed by a disturbing ambience throughout. The more you look at it the more it appears, the stark contrast they've always maintained.
However I could never place my finger on why but only recently I think it's because the newer albums don't have this.
It seems these days the ridiculousness of the Melvin s themselves has actually translated across into the music and to me, it just doesn't work as well. they play a straight game these days.
nstead of the odd contradiction of the seriousness of their music mixed in with their sense of humour...these days it's crept across so much so that the contradiction is lost and all that is sometimes left is just that. 99 Bottles, or some of the covers.
It's not about heavy guitars or Melvins not making Lysol anymore. It's more the fact that that I think they've lost that essential ingredient which made Melvins the Melvins. It's not a diss, it's not a criticism but it's definitely the feeling I get when I hear their modern records to those of 15+ years ago.
There are some nasty/solid bits in this PAT album and the contractitions are stil there, but there are times where it just goes straight up and misses out on thisjuxtaposition d the'yve had for so many years. dont abnd me again i'm actually half drunk lol and typed this out in one go
Very well noted and said.
I think I've had this realization in the back of my mind but for the longest time I couldn't put my finger on it.
Had another listen to PAT today. My dislikes still remain in place. At the core of it, this is actually a pretty good Melvins album. It's only the absolute stinker that is Embrace The Rub that ruins things. But i will add in the Beatles cover as somehow not very good too. Graveyard is another that although good just doesn't work at that slow, disjointed, almost deary(!) pace. I wish it was speeded up a bit like that "outdoor ice cream" video of the band playing it. That would have been an awesome finish. Replace the two stinkers and speed up Graveyard and this would have been a pretty damn good Melvins record.
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 07, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
Had another listen to PAT today. My dislikes still remain in place. At the core of it, this is actually a pretty good Melvins album. It's only the absolute stinker that is Embrace The Rub that ruins things. But i will add in the Beatles cover as somehow not very good too. Graveyard is another that although good just doesn't work at that slow, disjointed, almost deary(!) pace. I wish it was speeded up a bit like that "outdoor ice cream" video of the band playing it. That would have been an awesome finish. Replace the two stinkers and speed up Graveyard and this would have been a pretty damn good Melvins record.
Interesting! It just goes to show, different strokes. I love embrace the rub. it's basically a first wave west coast punk song and it's my favorite tune on the album.
Quote from: johnnyg on February 08, 2019, 03:56:46 PM
It just goes to show, different strokes. I love embrace the rub.
Im amazed that anyone would say that but you are right. It's all about how different people approach things or from where they come from on it. My favourite is either Don't Forget To Breathe or Flamboyant Duck.
I'm already nostalgic for this record. "Don't Forget" and "Flamboyant Duck" and "Prenup Butter" are the standout Melvins originals. The covers all rock. "Embrace the Rub" and "Break Bread" grew on me. I also love that they decided to put this out as an album, specifically a CD. There's too much good stuff here to languish as b-sides on LTD Ed eBay kindling.
Quote from: Fureon Nectarmoon on February 02, 2019, 06:47:52 AM
Quote from: (the) Razor on January 28, 2019, 12:07:50 AM
I've been thinking about it for a while now, probably around a year, maybe longer. Just trying to figure out how they've evolved over the years and it's not about distortion or heaviness. It seems that in the past, a lot of the Melvin's essential DNA, what makes them Melvins is is that they presented themselves with the sideshow bob appearance, the muumuu, the gardening gloves, the ridiculous lyrics, the sense of humour. BUT. At the same time their music was totally opposite, it was nasty, heavy, punishing, savage, sharp or sludgy or disturbing. They worked in unison, two almost ironic juxtapositions if you will. This lasted for ages.
From Dadaism nonsensical lyrics of Ozma mixed with brutal delivery. The quite clean precises delivery of the bootlicker opposed by a sinister tone and sharp delivery of all those songs. loose laid back feel on Honky while strongly opposed by a disturbing ambience throughout. The more you look at it the more it appears, the stark contrast they've always maintained.
However I could never place my finger on why but only recently I think it's because the newer albums don't have this.
It seems these days the ridiculousness of the Melvin s themselves has actually translated across into the music and to me, it just doesn't work as well. they play a straight game these days.
nstead of the odd contradiction of the seriousness of their music mixed in with their sense of humour...these days it's crept across so much so that the contradiction is lost and all that is sometimes left is just that. 99 Bottles, or some of the covers.
It's not about heavy guitars or Melvins not making Lysol anymore. It's more the fact that that I think they've lost that essential ingredient which made Melvins the Melvins. It's not a diss, it's not a criticism but it's definitely the feeling I get when I hear their modern records to those of 15+ years ago.
There are some nasty/solid bits in this PAT album and the contractitions are stil there, but there are times where it just goes straight up and misses out on thisjuxtaposition d the'yve had for so many years. dont abnd me again i'm actually half drunk lol and typed this out in one go
I couldn't put my finger on it.
Jimmy Shit finger? featuring Jeff Stinkus? :-s
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on February 09, 2019, 12:53:13 AM
"Embrace the Rub" and "Break Bread" grew on me.
I realised during that listen that i've come around a fair bit to Break Bread. Not the greatest Melvins song or anything but more enjoyable for me than it was.
i don't think Embrace The Rub is that bad
Break Bread was a Honky song the wrote with Dale when they toured with him drumming. I pretty sure same for Embrace the Rub was an Off song written while Dale was drumming.
So does that make them "proper" Melvin's songs? Who cares.
Quote from: linoleum blownapart on February 09, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
So does that make them "proper" Melvin's songs? Who cares.
If all the songs on The Crybaby and Everybody Loves Sausages are Melvins songs, then the PAT ones are most certainly Melvins songs! I don't really mind that other people wrote them. Just that i don't like them. For instance Don't Forget To Breathe is a great Melvins song and Jeff wrote it!
"Embrace the Rub" and "Break Bread" would both probably end up on a favorite-Melvins-tracks-of-the-2010s mix for me
Quote from: DToxico on February 11, 2019, 11:24:16 AM
"Embrace the Rub" and "Break Bread" would both probably end up on a favorite-Melvins-tracks-of-the-2010s mix for me
Just PAT 1-8 will do it's got everything you need. This album is just pure genius it's so good I struggle to listen to anything else on my train rides, why listen to another band when I could be listening to PAT? I want to listen to other stuff I just can't bring myself to do it.
I hope Buzz keeps this lineup around especially Pinkus a stroke of genius opening up the songwriting to him. I don't think it's possible they could top PAT but I do hope they try for mine it's the best Melvins album in a long time and nudging ever so closer to the lofty realms of HAT.
WTF?!?!
....at the last two comments!!
Quote from: ))))(((( on February 12, 2019, 06:57:36 AM
WTF?!?!
....at the last two comments!!
Make it three. Pinkus Abortion Technician cured my illness and saved my life. Don't Forget To Breathe, indeed.
I disliked "Embrace the Rub" at first but quickly came around and love it for its combination of stompy and whimsical. The way the chorus riff kinda swings around in circles, just getting slightly faster/higher each time, makes me happy. Obviously reminds me of Redd Kross but also Mangled Demos From 1983 which is just a neat change of pace overall, because despite what the reviews say, none of the 'Melvins 83' stuff actually sounds like Mangled Demos era to me, as much as I do still enjoy it.
"Break Bread" stuck with me immediately though because I love Pinkus' voice and his 'dark blues' songwriting style. The big dramatic sound on the chorus just spoke to me, and the song almost feels like the weird, more-aggressive little brother of "Don't Forget to Breathe", which is another of my favorites for its similar-but-totally-different, more-mature approach to 'dark blues'.
It used to be that "With Teeth" was sort of an inspirational mantra to me and the only Melvins song that made me feel that way, but now "Don't Forget to Breathe" has joined it
Still a great album all the way through. A couple songs have slightly special meaning since the album came out the day I started hanging out with my current female companion.
Quote from: DToxico on February 13, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
I disliked "Embrace the Rub" at first but quickly came around and love it for its combination of stompy and whimsical. The way the chorus riff kinda swings around in circles, just getting slightly faster/higher each time, makes me happy. Obviously reminds me of Redd Kross but also Mangled Demos From 1983 which is just a neat change of pace overall, because despite what the reviews say, none of the 'Melvins 83' stuff actually sounds like Mangled Demos era to me, as much as I do still enjoy it.
I loved that Pinkus interview where he says they got the "WHOA!!!" sample from them hanging out watching someone fail at something on the tube. :lol:
Quote from: GiveMe45 on February 13, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
Still a great album all the way through. A couple songs have slightly special meaning since the album came out the day I started hanging out with my current female companion.
Hey baby want to embrace the rub? Want to make some prenup butter?
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 13, 2019, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: GiveMe45 on February 13, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
Still a great album all the way through. A couple songs have slightly special meaning since the album came out the day I started hanging out with my current female companion.
Hey baby want to embrace the rub? Want to make some prenup butter?
I didn't get that normal for a while after we knew each other. We first hung out at a small Windhand show and then the next day I texted her a YouTube of I Want To Hold Your Hand. I'll say that Don't Forget To Breathe might have been my first attempt at being a friendly and respectful perv.
that song written by Dale is one of my favourite from this album