Cool interview here.
http://www.avclub.com/article/melvins-buzz-osborne-picks-songs-by-bands-that-wer-200741 (http://www.avclub.com/article/melvins-buzz-osborne-picks-songs-by-bands-that-wer-200741)
AV Club really seems to dig the melvins these days.
That's a great interview.
Mark Prindle interviewed Shannon, I think it was a Heroine Shieks interview, and the Cows break up is discussed. Interesting to hear Buzz's perspective on the Cows break-up as well as the rest of the bands in his list.
thanks, that was a very entertaining read.
Has some of Buzz` victims ever commented back? Buzz hits the nail pretty well in the article that regards this thread.
Nah, hes right as Rain about everything, as always.
that was a pretty good read.
I saw Isis at their last or second to last show, I don't remember which .
They were pretty damn good , it is too bad they folded...
Quote from: Schnabster on January 07, 2014, 05:05:24 AM
Has some of Buzz` victims ever commented back? Buzz hits the nail pretty well in the article that regards this thread.
I've always wondered that. The thing about this article, though.. is that he's not necessarily putting anyone down out of meanness, rather, he's making a couple of really good points.
He even went out of his way to say the guys in Metallica were nice guys and not meant to disparage them personally.
For added hilarity, check out some of the comments.
QuoteHusker Du never did anything good after Zen Arcade? The Replacements peaked with Stink? Nick Cave's entire solo career isn't as good as The Birthday Party? This is just contrarian hipster bullshit. You have bad opinions, Buzz Osborne, and you should feel bad.
QuoteI gave up on the Melvins 20 years ago, when I spent money to see them play. The first song was a 12 minute guitar wank peppered with the occasional drum strike. When the second song was just a variation on the same theme, I walked out. Friends of mine, who are big Melvins fans, have told me the band did this when they felt the crowd was full of posers.
I'd actually liked a number of the Melvins songs that I had heard before
attending their show, but I can't support a band that feels it's OK to piss on people who paid to see and support them.
I find it humorous that Buzz talks down bands that play arena for being greedy and disconnected with their audience, when that is how I have viewed the Melvins since my one time seeing them.
QuoteThis guy is an idiot.
All of these guys probably think Lorde had the best album of 2013 :lol:
Quote from: dead mike on January 07, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
For added hilarity, check out some of the comments.
QuoteI gave up on the Melvins 20 years ago, when I spent money to see them play. The first song was a 12 minute guitar wank peppered with the occasional drum strike. When the second song was just a variation on the same theme, I walked out. Friends of mine, who are big Melvins fans, have told me the band did this when they felt the crowd was full of posers.
I'd actually liked a number of the Melvins songs that I had heard before
attending their show, but I can't support a band that feels it's OK to piss on people who paid to see and support them.
QuoteThis guy is an idiot.
:lol: :lol:
Blew it?
Pretty on target ... though some of those just weren't that great to begin with ...
Never dug on Isis, shit just bores me ... older, newer ... whatever, boring.
Replacements? Never got the fanfare there. Sounds like some "gritty" stuff the cast of Friends would dig.
Husker Du ... good ... but not great ... but yeah, Zen's the cut off for sure.
Birthday Party/Nick Cave ... there is some solo Cave I think stands shoulders w/ the Birthday Party (say up to Tender Prey) but man, his solo moves have been pretty horrible the last 20yrs. or so ...
Naw, ISIS Is Groovy.
I like how people are still talking about sets they played opening for bands in the 90's, and the idea that if they played "real" songs or something it would win over fans of, say, White Zombie or Nine Inch Nails. I also like how they still cause some people to respond with utter hatred towards them and saying the generic "they suck!" I mean, there's bands out there I don't like at all, but I don't really feel the urge to find articles or interviews with them and comment on their suckiness, which makes me wonder about the people that do.
Oh and I agree with Buzz on pretty much everything except I was never really into the Replacements, but that's mainly because I never really gave them a listen, and I could never afford to see the Stones live to judge whether or not they did indeed blow it.
I enjoyed reading that list & got a few good laughs out of it too.
But as far as post-rock goes? Mogwai, MONO, Slint and The Rachel's are all I'm willing to enjoy.
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on January 07, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
Blew it?
Pretty on target ... though some of those just weren't that great to begin with ...
Never dug on Isis, shit just bores me ... older, newer ... whatever, boring.
Replacements? Never got the fanfare there. Sounds like some "gritty" stuff the cast of Friends would dig.
Husker Du ... good ... but not great ... but yeah, Zen's the cut off for sure.
Birthday Party/Nick Cave ... there is some solo Cave I think stands shoulders w/ the Birthday Party (say up to Tender Prey) but man, his solo moves have been pretty horrible the last 20yrs. or so ...
I have pretty much the same opinion as you do about this stuff, I never got into Birthday Party. Just awful.
Quote from: 119 on January 07, 2014, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on January 07, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
Blew it?
Pretty on target ... though some of those just weren't that great to begin with ...
Never dug on Isis, shit just bores me ... older, newer ... whatever, boring.
Replacements? Never got the fanfare there. Sounds like some "gritty" stuff the cast of Friends would dig.
Husker Du ... good ... but not great ... but yeah, Zen's the cut off for sure.
Birthday Party/Nick Cave ... there is some solo Cave I think stands shoulders w/ the Birthday Party (say up to Tender Prey) but man, his solo moves have been pretty horrible the last 20yrs. or so ...
I have pretty much the same opinion as you do about this stuff, I never got into Birthday Party. Just awful.
Oh man, I freaking
LOVE The Birthday Party. Just Amazing!
Quote from: 119 on January 07, 2014, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on January 07, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
Blew it?
Pretty on target ... though some of those just weren't that great to begin with ...
Never dug on Isis, shit just bores me ... older, newer ... whatever, boring.
Replacements? Never got the fanfare there. Sounds like some "gritty" stuff the cast of Friends would dig.
Husker Du ... good ... but not great ... but yeah, Zen's the cut off for sure.
Birthday Party/Nick Cave ... there is some solo Cave I think stands shoulders w/ the Birthday Party (say up to Tender Prey) but man, his solo moves have been pretty horrible the last 20yrs. or so ...
I have pretty much the same opinion as you do about this stuff, I never got into Birthday Party. Just awful.
The Birthday Party are one of The ALL TIME greats (But I'm a fan of all things Nick Cave so chances are I'm a little biased)
QuoteI could not be bothered to see them live now. I saw them in the early '80s and it sounded like amplified motocross.
:lol:
I'm sorry but I can't get into The Birthday Party. Sounds like bad goth and post punk wonkery to me.
I am suprised at the bored of Isis's sound comments.
I mean , to each their own, but I was still surprised .
I thought they were epic , kinda like the Grails.
Rutmanis's reaction on Facebook was "WE BLEW IT!" :lol:
Quote from: FartLips on January 12, 2014, 05:58:22 PM
Rutmanis's reaction on Facebook was "WE BLEW IT!" :lol:
:lol:
We blew it like a fart, for your face. :P
All pretty much right on the mark, except I would argue that "Loose Nut" & "In My Head" are great albums, even with the subpar crappy '80s production. Also "Who's Got The 10-1/2?" is one of the greatest live albums of all time. Kira owns on that one. The final '86 tour was where things got a little stale, with the Rudy Sarzo clone on board after Kira got the boot. Everything you need to know about Black Flag is 100% correct according to Brian Walsby in his "Manchild" books.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on January 13, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
All pretty much right on the mark, except I would argue that "Loose Nut" & "In My Head" are great albums, even with the subpar crappy '80s production. Also "Who's Got The 10-1/2?" is one of the greatest live albums of all time. Kira owns on that one. The final '86 tour was where things got a little stale, with the Rudy Sarzo clone on board after Kira got the boot. Everything you need to know about Black Flag is 100% correct according to Brian Walsby in his "Manchild" books.
I agree with this.
Loose Nut, The Process of Weeding Out and In My Head are amazing albums and really are a great final chapter in the Black Flag discography.
I do like Who's Got The 10 1/2?, but man that drummer is no Bill Stevenson - so I have to go with Live 84.
Greg Ginn firing Bill Stevenson and replacing him with the mullet drummer guy was a bad move. Kira has told me horror stories of having to get that guy in line because he couldn't keep time for shit. Then once Greg fired Kira and replaced her with the Rudy Sarzo clone it was way over.
But, we were blessed with two amazing Gone albums and Rollins Band. I would say Black Flag quit at the right time.
A killer band would have been Andrew Weiss and Sim Cain with Greg and Henry. But Greg had gone mad by that point, so it would never have been possible.
I also woke up and found out that the Black Flag reunion and album of 2013 were actually just a bad dream. Did not happen. Thank GOD.
Quote from: sadcorps on January 14, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
I also woke up and found out that the Black Flag reunion and album of 2013 were actually just a bad dream. Did not happen. Thank GOD.
A nightmare indeed...
I managed a show at the El Corazon. good energy, but the music... questionable.
got to meet Ginn personally after the show. not for long though.
But this is the worst album cover of all time:
(http://www.valve-magazine.net/images/stories/Reviews/BlackFlag/thecover.jpg)
I would not buy this, based on the art alone.
Quote from: musicismyradar on January 14, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on January 14, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
I also woke up and found out that the Black Flag reunion and album of 2013 were actually just a bad dream. Did not happen. Thank GOD.
A nightmare indeed...
I managed a show at the El Corazon. good energy, but the music... questionable.
got to meet Ginn personally after the show. not for long though.
But this is the worst album cover of all time:
(http://www.valve-magazine.net/images/stories/Reviews/BlackFlag/thecover.jpg)
I would not buy this, based on the art alone.
Fuck......we share the same nightmares.
I hung out with Greg Ginn before a gig in Long Beach maybe 5 years ago. It was Jambang and Texas Taylor Corrugators. The Texas Taylor Corrugators set was amazing. Just improvised music with a lot of leanings to Ornette Coleman's harmolodic electric music. Jambang was questionable. Same players, different music.
We smoked a SHIT LOAD of hash. I mean a SHIT LOAD. Talked music, talked about his influence on me as a musician, talked about the music he is making now, talked about why he would never reform Black Flag because it would be "weak" (his words) and he has no interest in going into the past with his music and only moving forward.
Damn that was some good hash.
Ultimate Guitar (guitar tabs site) posted this on there page,
many Buzz bashers unfolded
pretty fucking funny
but what do Alcohollica fans know anyway?
Quote from: Satchel Paige on January 14, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
Ultimate Guitar (guitar tabs site) posted this on there page,
many Buzz bashers unfolded
pretty fucking funny
but what do Alcohollica fans know anyway?
Can't find it, am I getting warm?:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/ (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/)
Yeah pretty sure Satchel Paige is going a bit senile here.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/melvins_frontman_explains_why_metallica_blew_it.html (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/melvins_frontman_explains_why_metallica_blew_it.html)
Thanks Idle. All I found was this on their forum:
QuoteQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh100_3
Oh yeah that dickhead from the Melvins, is it Buzz Osbourne or something?
He's constantly slagging off every band ever (and not even in a funny Noel Gallagher type way) and seems to have a real chip on his shoulder because his band didn't make it as big as some of the artists he influenced.
idk cuz they deserve it maybe?
heres a fantastic article of him handing out some well deserved slagging.
http://www.avclub.com/article/melvi...that-wer-200741 (http://www.avclub.com/article/melvi...that-wer-200741)
I disagree with what he said about Black Flag though. Family Man and Process of Weeding Out were good, it was after that they started to take a dive. Loose Nut wasn't bad, but I never liked In My Head and obviously What The...? is absolute shit. I really just want to pretend that What The...? doesn't exist. Greg Ginn was such a cool dude and hes a total **** now.
Those people seem to miss the part where he says these bands were good then blew it, not he hates these bands and they were never good. Plus why would anyone defend Metallica anymore?
I like how they couldn't pick on Buzz's music so they went for his hair, and the fact that they don't play arenas, like that's the pinnacle of musical achievement.
Yeah, way too many people equate popularity with quality...unfortunate for them....good for us.
Quote from: deatheats on January 15, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
Yeah, way too many people equate popularity with quality...unfortunate for them....good for us.
Derr ... if they're so good, how come they're not famous?!The fact that actual people I've actually conversed with actually think this way will never stop blowing my mind.
Melvins are famous....Kurt Cobain liked them :cheers:
Quote from: rictus on January 15, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
I like how they couldn't pick on Buzz's music so they went for his hair, and the fact that they don't play arenas, like that's the pinnacle of musical achievement.
Buzz hair is one of the coolest aspects of the bands image, at the start of The Melvins-gig in Brixton last may, a gal in front of me got in extazy seeing Buzz hair. She showed her friend, shooting her hands from her own head what she thougt about it, she went bonankas.
Quote from: dead mike on January 15, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
Quote from: deatheats on January 15, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
Yeah, way too many people equate popularity with quality...unfortunate for them....good for us.
Derr ... if they're so good, how come they're not famous?!
The fact that actual people I've actually conversed with actually think this way will never stop blowing my mind.
Well. You can't be good if youre not rich and famous..
Quote(and not even in a funny Noel Gallagher type way)
:lol:
Quote from: spunkmonkey on January 16, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Quote(and not even in a funny Noel Gallagher type way)
:lol:
:lol:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNFezBHvuhM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNFezBHvuhM#)
Quote from: rictus on January 15, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
I like how they couldn't pick on Buzz's music so they went for his hair, and the fact that they don't play arenas, like that's the pinnacle of musical achievement.
Excellent comment. A+ would read from poster again.
Pretty amazing that they found so many people who apparently DON'T think Metallica has sucked for a long time.
AV Club asked him to do a list of 10 Things. This is what he came up with. What do they want? a Ten best Metallica albums list?
or How about Buzz did a list of ten lists that pertain to Metallica?
How about a fucking list of the 10 Most Attractive Flight Attendants?
http://www.wonderslist.com/10-attractive-airlines-stewardess/ (http://www.wonderslist.com/10-attractive-airlines-stewardess/)
Quote from: dead mike on January 15, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
The fact that actual people I've actually conversed with actually think this way will never stop blowing my mind.
This actually pissed Mike off. :lol:
Democrab posted on Jan 12, 2014 02:14 pm
# Not to mention, the stuff they were dealing with at the time of SKOMs filming was insane...James in rehab, Jason leaving the band, Cliff's death coming back to haunt them, Napster and the way the music industry was changing and Kirk and Lars being unsure of Metallica's future among other things. (Which would be like if you think you may be fired from your job soon, not exactly easy on the stress levels even if you are rich and famous already because it's still very easy to lose that success)
If anything, I commend them for making it public because I would not be surprised if many other metal artists had done the same thing (ie. Had to go to band therapy) but Metallica were the only ones to make it public.
Demo Crab must believe in Santa and the WWF as well.