Senile Animal.
Whatever was playing last :banana:
im glad you still dig em.. Just been playing a lot of melvins lately.
It seems my ears stopped being challenged after Senile.
nothing last forever.
Good for melvins. Bigger audience. Bigger paychecks.
I am way to grumpy for the new glossy melvins. Sabbath cover? What next? My money is on a Rolling Stones cover lp.
Dad rock rules.
Thank god your band is around to show us the way.
When is your new LP coming out?
funning you say that...starting a band called Prius Driver.
Dudes from CROM/TITD/TRAPPIST/soft cell and 400 blows.
Cool, let us know when it hits
I'll definitely want a follow up in 35 years on how you are still putting out the heaviest, most challenging music EVER!
melvins fan boy. cool. :)
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
melvins fan boy. cool. :)
You are on a Melvins' fan site... ](*,)
Quote from: deatheats on September 11, 2018, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
melvins fan boy. cool. :)
You are on a Melvins' fan site... ](*,)
but not brainwashed. My ears don't lie. Melvins have softened.
Go tell someone who cares about how hard a band is...
Quote from: backstard on September 11, 2018, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Good for melvins. Bigger audience. Bigger paychecks.
I am way to grumpy for the new glossy melvins. Sabbath cover? What next? My money is on a Rolling Stones cover lp.
Dad rock rules.
This might be the dumbest comment ever posted on this message board. The dumb is self evident. No need to explain the dumb. So dumb it may just be trolling.
alright!
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
funning you say that...starting a band called Prius Driver.
Dudes from CROM/TITD/TRAPPIST/soft cell and 400 blows.
Rora braasasrrga raaasssar!
Cookie Monster tantrum garbage.
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Sabbath cover? What next? My money is on a Rolling Stones cover lp.
Dad rock rules.
You do know they've covered plenty of 'dad rock' bands, including Sabbath, going back to the 80s?
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
funning you say that...starting a band called Prius Driver.
Dudes from CROM/TITD/TRAPPIST/soft cell and 400 blows.
Uncle Scotty I presume.
At risk of feeding a troll, I still think Bulls & Bees is the last totally impeccable, essential Melvins release.
"Sesame Street Meat" and "Onions" and "Don't Forget" and "Crankenstein" and a handful of covers from Sausages deserve a place as essential modern Melvins tracks. Weirdly the part of A Walk with Love and Death I couldn't part with is the LOVE soundtrack disc which I see as one cohesive work.
Everything else may not be "relevant" though it is engaging and impressive and could serve as a good entry point if you didn't have the rest of the catalog to compare.
"give up" comes on here making a bold, yet retarded claim, yet nothing real to back it up. Ian probably agrees with you. :lol:
My guess is you want to make friends here so someone will eventually care about your band. Thanks for the heads up about your potential endeavor. I'll be sure to avoid at all costs. :P
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-oIEiz4Uz0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_EuuhvMB-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lgpWaetd_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pabmB-2SFsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0idx-QlnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRxbr1GmrXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w7yVR27RHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbrDHCZlJGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Rcff5N3gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33KoJYM7Rk
Maybe if your sinus wasn't so packed full of Cocaine it was coming out your ears then you could hear something good coming from this band, otherwise what else is your mouth packed full of for that matter. :merde:
Bigger audience. Bigger paychecks. ...man, you should toss that opinion out during the next Melvins show at the Aquarium in Fargo North Dakota. While they are loading their own equipment up in rented vans hoping to make it to Souix Falls in time to get some sleep at the next Motel 8. It's cool to have an opinion...I'm glad you are at least talking about the melvins. Just try and make the shit you sling a little more well thought out. Put them down proper!! Make the shit talk funny!!
I think it depends upon what we mean when we say "relevant". All the modern Melvins releases are worthy releases as i see it. Some i don't like very much or feel they are flawed for including certain songs, yet i still deem them of interest in and of themselves. I would somewhat agree with the original comment about (A)SA but for me Nude With Boots is the last (or near to last) Melvins album i absolutely love front to back. No bad or embarrassing filler songs or directions that i don't enjoy. Freak Puke was a VERY close call too. Yet like Deatheats shows, each release since then has featured at the very least a couple of cool songs.
I pretty much can agree to everything what ))))(((( wrote in the previous post, though I have to say that I like the "Death" side of A Walk With Love And Death nearly as much as NWB. I think the "less challenging" impression you get from the newer Melvins releases can't be completely attributed to Buzz's songwriting, but more to the overall weaker sounding guitar and drums (which is also evident in the new Sabbath cover). The riffs in the songs are still there. As an example, compare the live rendition of "Hideous Woman" to the recorded version... the live one is a lot fiercer and heavier sounding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgnBYSlCsk
just kinda like being challenged
ASA killed it due to Jared and Cody in the mix. Flesh blood and Jared is sooo talented.
Wish they clone that dude.
Anyhoo- been a melvins fan since OZMA/EGGNOG era and would die for em.
Melvins have morphed into a tame and quirky group in both sound and stage presence.
I GET IT.
It's real hard for me to watch/take serious sounds when the new bassist prancess and poses with a straight face. Parody rock.
AND more importantly in the past live i would get a bangover from the brutal and heavy sounds...
Last show a few months back ....no sore neck. :x
ASA swings real hard. Nudes has a handful of em and then things go ......softer and more user friendly.
Oh we'll....
I am gonna crank Hospital Up on and cherry pick .
Long live Jared and Cody for keeping it heavy.
Quote from: dwr budr on September 12, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Bigger audience. Bigger paychecks. ...man, you should toss that opinion out during the next Melvins show at the Aquarium in Fargo North Dakota. While they are loading their own equipment up in rented vans hoping to make it to Souix Falls in time to get some sleep at the next Motel 8. It's cool to have an opinion...I'm glad you are at least talking about the melvins. Just try and make the shit you sling a little more well thought out. Put them down proper!! Make the shit talk funny!!
north dakota :lol:
Quote from: give up on September 13, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
I am gonna crank Hospital Up on and cherry pick .
ok I'll give you Hospital Up. shit is a jam.
Quote from: glen on September 13, 2018, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: give up on September 13, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
I am gonna crank Hospital Up on and cherry pick .
ok I'll give you Hospital Up. shit is a jam.
gimme a break! and GimeME45 is one CMF. That dude rules.
I'm just glad the Melvins continue to play the music no one else wants them to.
Quote from: deatheats on September 13, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
I'm just glad the Melvins continue to play the music no one else wants them to.
Even though there are some releases i don't really like, i agree with you, it's still ALWAYS fun and exciting to have NEW Melvins albums. Sometimes i lose sight of that whenever a new one disappoints me, but really it's just great to be able to hear this stuff. To think about it and discuss it. I welcome something over nothing every damn time.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 13, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Even though there are some releases i don't really like, i agree with you, it's still ALWAYS fun and exciting to have NEW Melvins albums. Sometimes i lose sight of that whenever a new one disappoints me, but really it's just great to be able to hear this stuff. To think about it and discuss it. I welcome something over nothing every damn time.
Yup!
Quote from: deatheats on September 13, 2018, 03:14:28 PM
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 13, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Even though there are some releases i don't really like, i agree with you, it's still ALWAYS fun and exciting to have NEW Melvins albums. Sometimes i lose sight of that whenever a new one disappoints me, but really it's just great to be able to hear this stuff. To think about it and discuss it. I welcome something over nothing every damn time.
Yup!
Melvins World Ambassador, spreading the message since 2018.
Quote from: give up on September 13, 2018, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: dwr budr on September 12, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Bigger audience. Bigger paychecks. ...man, you should toss that opinion out during the next Melvins show at the Aquarium in Fargo North Dakota. While they are loading their own equipment up in rented vans hoping to make it to Souix Falls in time to get some sleep at the next Motel 8. It's cool to have an opinion...I'm glad you are at least talking about the melvins. Just try and make the shit you sling a little more well thought out. Put them down proper!! Make the shit talk funny!!
north dakota :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7OAMqayqQ&list=PLq0fPLgECPHbN7kaFjCxarYoffnDqFERH
https://youtu.be/_2UL794o32M
Quote from: give up on September 11, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
funning you say that...starting a band called Prius Driver.
Dudes from CROM/TITD/TRAPPIST/soft cell and 400 blows.
Crom? 400 Blows? TITD? Hopefully that ain't no joke 'cause that's some shit hot pedigree right there y'all.
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on September 14, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
Crom? 400 Blows? TITD? Hopefully that ain't no joke 'cause that's some shit hot pedigree right there y'all.
Would be nice if it happened. Check out Trappist as well, with Chris Dodge!
p.s. Soft Cell?? :buzz:
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on September 14, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on September 14, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
Crom? 400 Blows? TITD? Hopefully that ain't no joke 'cause that's some shit hot pedigree right there y'all.
Would be nice if it happened. Check out Trappist as well, with Chris Dodge!
p.s. Soft Cell?? :buzz:
Yeah I knew that was Dodge's new jam ... have yet to hear anything by 'em tho ... good brew tho them Trappists make.
400 Blows ... great band, great flick ...
https://youtu.be/V0Uttolr-h8
https://youtu.be/i89oN8v7RdY
"Way back in the day 400 Blows played in my bedroom, that was pretty sweet" - John Dwyer
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on September 14, 2018, 07:11:55 PM
"Way back in the day 400 Blows played in my bedroom, that was pretty sweet" - John Dwyer
Wow, nice.
Not PAT that shit was weak, phoned in, uninspired and gay +5.
Quote from: ZILLA on September 14, 2018, 10:40:55 PM
Not PAT that shit was weak, phoned in, uninspired and gay +5.
melvins is gay! :P
Dale Crover Band covered Flamboyant Duck in LA and the result was pure magic.
PAT kicks ass, admit it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS8JecEaUnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFZqUKRx_w4&list=RDY0OY2AXi8j8&index=3
gluey porch treatments :twisted:
Quote from: GrimReaper on September 15, 2018, 05:20:14 PM
Dale Crover Band covered Flamboyant Duck in LA and the result was pure magic.
PAT kicks ass, admit it.
So jelly!
While the Bulls and Bees was the last album I enjoyed front to back, I don't think the albums that have been released since are non-relevant. They are moving in a direction away from my personal taste is all. The most relevant thing a band can do is to release music that is an honest representation of who they are, and what they're in to. Buzz and Dale have always been into classic rock stuff, and now that they are collaborating with a couple of bass players who are also into classic rock, that sound is becoming more prevalent. Makes sense really. Talking horses for courses.
Speaking of Fargo, I went to the show at the Aquarium here a couple of months ago. They packed the place, rocked the house, and sold lots of merch. Pretty sure Steve and the 2 roadies (Gareth and the dude from Isis...Bryant?) carried most of the gear.
Scene from Steven's job interview for the Melvins:
Steve: I'm gonna act like I'm in 1980's Motley Crue
Buzz and Dale: Ok, but you have to carry all of the heavy stuff
I cherish every Melvins album. I'm always wondering what's coming next!
I'm not sure they were ever relevant. Maybe for a few minutes in the early 90s. But that's not why any of us listen to them. Who fuckin' cares?!
Quote from: the bloat on September 16, 2018, 10:11:58 PM
I cherish every Melvins album. I'm always wondering what's coming next!
I'm not sure they were ever relevant. Maybe for a few minutes in the early 90s. But that's not why any of us listen to them. Who fuckin' cares?!
+1
Quote from: GrimReaper on September 15, 2018, 05:20:14 PM
PAT kicks ass, admit it.
I think that's stretching definitions a tad there.
Senile Animal is a fantastic album but I've enjoyed a lot of music they released since then. My favorite album post Senile Animal is probably Tres Cabrones. Love Dogs and Cattle Prods and Walters Lips
Melvins is heavy as fack, regardless of who plays bass.
:(
Quote from: BERZERKER on September 22, 2018, 02:07:30 AM
Melvins is heavy as fack, regardless of who plays bass.
huh? melvins are a lot of things but they aint heavy no more. vaudeville
Play honky and live heavier
i've never thought to use "vaudeville" as a way to describe the modern, corny melvins, i'm gonna have to remember that
but srsly wy dont melvins play heavy no more>?????
HEAVY = 8)
NOT HEAVY = :x
Unless it's The Bootlicker and then that's still okay.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 23, 2018, 09:26:44 AM
Unless it's The Bootlicker and then that's still okay.
HAT is way pure and heavy.
Its clean and dirty O:) :twisted:
Hmm....Gluey Porch Treatments. They have been posers ever since
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize. I still go to the shows and listen to every new release though
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize. I still go to the shows and listen to every new release though
sadly you are correct.
Listened to Honky today real loud. Brilliant.
Does not even sound like the same band who put out the Pinky thing or death. :lol:
My advice to you is to create. Satisfy yourself with all the unbelievably heavy music that's in your head and you may learn to roll with other artists a bit easier and avoid laying your expectations on them lack a chain of tiresome personal desire. Enjoy the trip, and feel free to jump off for a second and scribble your own picture in the dirt. You may find yourself feeling better about another person's output. Or just keep bitching about how things aren't how you want them to be, and that this artist didn't write the song that you wanted him to...
Btw, this act can still mow down bands half their age without breaking a sweat.
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2018, 08:01:18 AM
My advice to you is to create. Satisfy yourself with all the unbelievably heavy music that's in your head and you may learn to roll with other artists a bit easier and avoid laying your expectations on them lack a chain of tiresome personal desire. Enjoy the trip, and feel free to jump off for a second and scribble your own picture in the dirt. You may find yourself feeling better about another person's output. Or just keep bitching about how things aren't how you want them to be, and that this artist didn't write the song that you wanted him to...
Btw, this act can still mow down bands half their age without breaking a sweat.
there are other bands out there who satisfy me w/out having to "create" music. Lame advice Shackelford.
This aint no bitching or complaining, just my observation. Been a melvins army cadet #28 since 1990. Proud of it. When it comes to playing melvins music, I rarely grab anything past A Senile or maybe Bulls & Bees. My ears dig the old stuff. More challenging. More like a seance instead of 70's polished hard rock. Gimme STAG. HAT, Honky, OZMA, BOOTLICKER, maggot etc.. all day long....Seems melvins were more arty and now they are more vaudeville rock.
Just sayin. 8)
Gotcha. Usually those kind of observations come from twenty somethings who care about being the heaviest thing around, so that's why I thought you were younger. All that matters is that they have fun and keep going, for themselves, not because Melvin's army member #28 wishes they'd make one of their old albums over. I prefer those albums to some new stuff too at times, but that doesn't mean I feel the need to crack on these guys for not doing something they've already done and how I think they should do it.
He's not saying the Melvins suck or anything.
Sorry to bring this topic down a bit. I'm not good at interacting in these kind of provocative conversations, my sincerity starts to show...
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize.
Are willing to realize? The band has talked about their love of some bands from the seventies since the beginning, and in pretty much every interview for quite a few years now. Buzz listens to and talks about Judy Garland albums, not the latest killer THOU album or whatever. Did you see them on What's in my Bag? As for fans, most of them are boring assholes who have no idea what Buzz is on about when talks about the nuances of some of his influences. It goes right over a lot of heads.
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
Sorry to bring this topic down a bit. I'm not good at interacting in these kind of provocative conversations, my sincerity starts to show...
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize.
Are willing to realize? The band has talked about their love of some bands from the seventies since the beginning, and in pretty much every interview for quite a few years now. Buzz listens to and talks about Judy Garland albums, not the latest killer THOU album or whatever. Did you see them on What's in my Bag? As for fans, most of them are boring assholes who have no idea what Buzz is on about when talks about the nuances of some of his influences. It goes right over a lot of heads.
Hearing a bunch of annoyed twentysomething hipsters (as well as older metalheads) getting irate and loudly going "what the fuck is this shit" when the PA system cut from Iron Maiden to Miles Davis' "On the Corner" before they took the stage said a lot, lol
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
The band has talked about their love of some bands from the seventies since the beginning, and in pretty much every interview for quite a few years now. Buzz listens to and talks about Judy Garland albums, not the latest killer THOU album or whatever.
That's a good point there actually. It all makes me wonder how exactly those earlier Melvins albums came to be. Was it a total fluke that they put out some brilliant records while Buzz actually just wanted to make lighter, more accessible releases all along?
you people have never seen this before??? really? =;
band gets old. band gets mellow(er). band gets nostalgic for stuff they grew up listening to. I hope you can follow the plot in movies better than you're following this story arc. :facepalm:
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
Sorry to bring this topic down a bit. I'm not good at interacting in these kind of provocative conversations, my sincerity starts to show...
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize.
Are willing to realize? The band has talked about their love of some bands from the seventies since the beginning, and in pretty much every interview for quite a few years now. Buzz listens to and talks about Judy Garland albums, not the latest killer THOU album or whatever. Did you see them on What's in my Bag? As for fans, most of them are boring assholes who have no idea what Buzz is on about when talks about the nuances of some of his influences. It goes right over a lot of heads.
Are you on their payroll?
I've never even heard Thou, but I have heard a sycophant on a music forum who gets defensive when someone points out that rewriting an early 70s hard rock song isn't the most experimental thing in the world. I enjoy all their records, I'm perfectly fine with the recent tunes that go for Grand Melvins Railroad or whatever - it's good music. My point is fans and the band seem to have an attitude that all their records are Trout Mask Replica, and I just think that's a bit off base. I'm not asking them to change at all.
Quote from: DToxico on October 11, 2018, 07:47:44 AM
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
Sorry to bring this topic down a bit. I'm not good at interacting in these kind of provocative conversations, my sincerity starts to show...
Quote from: hemispheres on October 09, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
I do think a lot of new Melvins sounds more like 70s hard rock than fans or the band are willing to realize.
Are willing to realize? The band has talked about their love of some bands from the seventies since the beginning, and in pretty much every interview for quite a few years now. Buzz listens to and talks about Judy Garland albums, not the latest killer THOU album or whatever. Did you see them on What's in my Bag? As for fans, most of them are boring assholes who have no idea what Buzz is on about when talks about the nuances of some of his influences. It goes right over a lot of heads.
Hearing a bunch of annoyed twentysomething hipsters (as well as older metalheads) getting irate and loudly going "what the fuck is this shit" when the PA system cut from Iron Maiden to Miles Davis' "On the Corner" before they took the stage said a lot, lol
I was actually disappointed I didn't get to hear any electric Miles at my last show, but I at least got treated to some 70s Priest. It would have been hilarious to see the scenario you describe - 500 bearded guys with Charlie Manson tattoos dropping PBRs in unison!
there have been a handful of concerts in my area where the music before or after a high octane band was something much older/ quieter/ slower or whatever and it's stuck in my mind for decades. no one freaked out either. must just be those damn millennials. :D
Add Mark D for some atmosphere, creepy mood whispering stuff i dig!
Mark is a phone call away.
or Jared for some swing!
or Kevin for some swivel hippin'
Quote from: vince furnier on October 11, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
there have been a handful of concerts in my area where the music before or after a high octane band was something much older/ quieter/ slower or whatever and it's stuck in my mind for decades. no one freaked out either. must just be those damn millennials. :D
Slipknot played stuff from David Bowie's
Scary Monsters album during their intermission when I saw them in 2015 or so, and the circa-2004-Hot-Topic-refugees were pretty vexed, that was fun too. Especially since their newest lead single at the time ("The Devil in I") happens to have a very similar-sounding intro to "Fame" so some people started cheering then got really confused.
Quote from: hemispheres on October 11, 2018, 09:26:01 AM
I've never even heard Thou, but I have heard a sycophant on a music forum who gets defensive when someone points out that rewriting an early 70s hard rock song isn't the most experimental thing in the world. I enjoy all their records, I'm perfectly fine with the recent tunes that go for Grand Melvins Railroad or whatever - it's good music. My point is fans and the band seem to have an attitude that all their records are Trout Mask Replica, and I just think that's a bit off base. I'm not asking them to change at all.
Thou is good, check em out. I think I'm pretty far from a sycophant, just trying to balance out this conversation, and in a small way remind people of who these weird fuckers are who we all enjoy. Experimenting hasn't been brought up, nor has it ever been some kind of mission statement from the band. They were covering The Great ZZ TOP over 30 years ago, in the middle of all the stuff people love, so something like the James Gang cover or all the rest isn't weird or unexpected in the slightest, to me. Did you get Everybody Loves Sausages?
Quote from: vince furnier on October 11, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
you people have never seen this before??? really? =;
band gets old. band gets mellow(er). band gets nostalgic for stuff they grew up listening to. I hope you can follow the plot in movies better than you're following this story arc. :facepalm:
For real. I also really think most people don't understand what it takes to keep enjoying playing music for your entire adult life. The vast majority of people in bands get bored or stale after a few years, if that, even if they keep going. This band laughs, and still stomps around on the terra like few around. I find that massively impressive, and more so as each year rolls quickly by.
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 11, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
Thou is good
Correct! Probably the first person other than myself to finally big them up on here. I wasn't personally too much for 'Rhea Sylvia' but both 'Magus' and 'The House Primordial' are excellent releases from them this year!
tweet from Ryan Adams regarding his ex-wife Mandy Moore:
@TheRyanAdams
She didn't like the Melvins or BladeRunner. Doomed from the start... If only I could remember the start lol
(sorry for the thread hijack.. it wasn't worth it's own thread.)
Was wondering when someone would post something about that here
Mentioned it to my fiance and he was laughing his ass off
It's a legitimate concern, Ryan
the story rules and now the Melvins have shared it on their official facebook page.
(https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/screen-shot-2018-10-11-at-8-42-48-pm.png)
now go listen to his album I posted that he recorded with Walsby on drums and tell me you could write songs, sing and play guitar like that at 19. :D
funny stuff.. Whiskey town is kinda hip.
Quote from: ))))(((( on October 12, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
Correct! Probably the first person other than myself to finally big them up on here. I wasn't personally too much for 'Rhea Sylvia' but both 'Magus' and 'The House Primordial' are excellent releases from them this year!
Fuck yeah, I agree!
HAT's the greatest in my opinion. The last relevant release? A toss up between ASA and The Bulls and the Bees and Freak Puke. Those three albums are awesome.
BladeRunner is awesome.
Freak Puke.