Even HAT got a proper vinyl release, which sounds great. WTF is up with holding this record hostage from being a single black vinyl record offered for sale to vinyl record consumers?
The 2019 release is relatively recent.
I always wondered why the CD version had the tracks split thing?
No one else I've seen has ever done that.
Was that to keep people from bootlegging/burning Copies?
You can't burn a copy without the track splitting on a CD-R.
The trilogy vinyl mix is noticeably different than the CD.
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMI always wondered why the CD version had the tracks split thing?
They said they wanted people to hear the middle of the songs as well. Make of that what you will though.
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMI always wondered why the CD version had the tracks split thing?
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMNo one else I've seen has ever done that.
I think you may have answered your own question here.
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMThe trilogy vinyl mix is noticeably different than the CD.
Interested what do you mean by this?
Quote from: rimb on February 12, 2025, 04:38:28 PMQuote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMThe trilogy vinyl mix is noticeably different than the CD.
Interested what do you mean by this?
The audio itself, I used to listen to both the Vinyl and CD a lot with headphones.
It's either in part due to mastering for Vinyl, or the vinyl itself but there's more texture and depth to my ear on the Vinyl than the CD...The CD's a lot cleaner but it's also a bit more compressed sounding, at least to my ear.
The 'Neither here nor there' CD has a few tracks that to me, sound like they're a bit of a different mix or mastering Job as well. It's subtle but I did notice something different.
DD's got the golden ear.
The 'Bootlicker' pressing is a lot more distorted on the high end, the CD version is cleaner.
The Maggot is a lot fatter, and same with the Crybaby version rather than the CD, they're a bit warmer on the Trilogy pressings.
Not sure that's because transferring those to a vinyl pressing is a bit lossy of highs maybe, the pressings were done on 'picture' vinyl and that's a bit softer than the 'black' vinyl according to what I've read online about record pressing.
I'm guessing these were digital recordings to begin, and there's a bit of a difference between Analog recording and digital.
They're also squeezing a lot onto those records...Like the original stag pressing.
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 06:17:20 PMQuote from: rimb on February 12, 2025, 04:38:28 PMQuote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMThe trilogy vinyl mix is noticeably different than the CD.
Interested what do you mean by this?
The audio itself, I used to listen to both the Vinyl and CD a lot with headphones.
It's either in part due to mastering for Vinyl, or the vinyl itself but there's more texture and depth to my ear on the Vinyl than the CD...The CD's a lot cleaner but it's also a bit more compressed sounding, at least to my ear.
The 'Neither here nor there' CD has a few tracks that to me, sound like they're a bit of a different mix or mastering Job as well. It's subtle but I did notice something different.
Thanks - very interesting and tempting me to open my sealed trilogy vinyl....
Quote from: rimb on February 13, 2025, 04:48:14 PMQuote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 06:17:20 PMQuote from: rimb on February 12, 2025, 04:38:28 PMQuote from: Dumpster D on February 12, 2025, 12:28:19 AMThe trilogy vinyl mix is noticeably different than the CD.
Interested what do you mean by this?
The audio itself, I used to listen to both the Vinyl and CD a lot with headphones.
It's either in part due to mastering for Vinyl, or the vinyl itself but there's more texture and depth to my ear on the Vinyl than the CD...The CD's a lot cleaner but it's also a bit more compressed sounding, at least to my ear.
The 'Neither here nor there' CD has a few tracks that to me, sound like they're a bit of a different mix or mastering Job as well. It's subtle but I did notice something different.
Thanks - very interesting and tempting me to open my sealed trilogy vinyl....
Donnnn't Do it!!!
I haven't noticed a huge difference between the Trilogy pic disc vinyls, and the orig CDs. I'm sure there's some noticable difference.
It's common knowledge here that Maggot/Bootlicker/Crybaby were the last Melvins albums to be recorded pure analog. H.A.T. was the first all pro-tools/digital.
I wonder if there's any difference between the trilogy picture disc release and the 2019 maggot/bootlicker release.
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 13, 2025, 06:09:22 PMI wonder if there's any difference between the trilogy picture disc release and the 2019 maggot/bootlicker release.
Oh probably...The high end on the Trilogy press of the Bootlicker LP is noticeably crispy...It's probably a new pressing...Just gonna take a wild guess on that tho, because it might not be? Only someone with both those could confirm.
ipecac's vinyl has been sus for a while now. doubt they did a separate mix for vinyl. they would have to do mutliple test presses to see how the mix is affected by the compression. the absence of some frequencies will highlight others.
Open your vinyl, all of it. Shrink wrap can warp records over time. Dust from the factory lives in there, jostling around. Records are meant to be played.
OK, I was not aware of the 2019 reissue. I see it is NOT a picture disc, but on colored vinyl, which is less favorable, but I will get it even though they are ugly colors. Thanks for informing me about this release, everyone.
Pic discs have had a reputation for sounding lousy for a long time. The only one I still have and listen to is Hex by Earth.
Yes, ipecac's vinyl has been sus ever since they first started releasing vinyl. I think Songs for the Deaf was the first one they released. My Fantomas box set sounds like shit, but HAT is glorious. I am also considering getting Nude With Boots from the bandcamp site.
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on February 13, 2025, 05:56:30 PMIt's common knowledge here that Maggot/Bootlicker/Crybaby were the last Melvins albums to be recorded pure analog. H.A.T. was the first all pro-tools/digital.
HAT was the last analog tape album, I'm pretty sure. Buzz said it in an interview decades ago and Toshi told me that himself through emails back in 03 or 04 when I was a young engineer eager to learn. It was quite a while ago though so if you say it's common knowledge around here then I may be misremembering.
Quote from: Skip on February 14, 2025, 08:24:58 PMQuote from: Chief Ten Beers on February 13, 2025, 05:56:30 PMIt's common knowledge here that Maggot/Bootlicker/Crybaby were the last Melvins albums to be recorded pure analog. H.A.T. was the first all pro-tools/digital.
HAT was the last analog tape album, I'm pretty sure. Buzz said it in an interview decades ago and Toshi told me that himself through emails back in 03 or 04 when I was a young engineer eager to learn. It was quite a while ago though so if you say it's common knowledge around here then I may be misremembering.
Old user rusty shackleford used to swear that HAT was recorded on an 8 track, theres an interview somewhere where buzz talks about it.
Shouldn't be hard to find out in person, with the upcoming tour starting soon.
Quote from: PepsiMike on February 14, 2025, 08:51:15 PMQuote from: Skip on February 14, 2025, 08:24:58 PMQuote from: Chief Ten Beers on February 13, 2025, 05:56:30 PMIt's common knowledge here that Maggot/Bootlicker/Crybaby were the last Melvins albums to be recorded pure analog. H.A.T. was the first all pro-tools/digital.
HAT was the last analog tape album, I'm pretty sure. Buzz said it in an interview decades ago and Toshi told me that himself through emails back in 03 or 04 when I was a young engineer eager to learn. It was quite a while ago though so if you say it's common knowledge around here then I may be misremembering.
Old user rusty shackleford used to swear that HAT was recorded on an 8 track, theres an interview somewhere where buzz talks about it.
Shouldn't be hard to find out in person, with the upcoming tour starting soon.
If memory serves they didn't spend a lot on that record like only about 25K to record.
I would have thought the trilogy would have been all digital. Those were 98/99 and I was under the impression tape for bands in major recording studios had been superseded by digital around the late 80's. But I really don't know anything.
Quote from: Brooklyns Finest PoonTang on February 14, 2025, 11:28:41 PMI would have thought the trilogy would have been all digital. Those were 98/99 and I was under the impression tape for bands in major recording studios had been superseded by digital around the late 80's. But I really don't know anything.
Used to talk about that a lot, during the 90's analog had been kinda perfected just as it was sort of being phased out...so some of the very best analog recordings were 90's recordings IMHO.
Would be interested to know more about how they recorded the trilogy and HAT.
Yeah, I think about that sometimes. California by Mr. Bungle was done on tape.
I'd sure as shit rather have a digital (CD) retail product of an album recorded on tape than a cassette tape of an album recorded digitally. Funny how that works.
Everything recorded before Nude with Boots was recorded on Tape. Everything recorded after A Senile Animal was recorded Digitally.
Quote from: eaterpaste84 on February 15, 2025, 08:24:52 PMEverything recorded before Nude with Boots was recorded on Tape. Everything recorded after A Senile Animal was recorded Digitally.
I always joked that Nude with boots was from a tape track sheet for 'Nano webers' ...They were wondering what does 'NwB' stand for? I dunno!? Nude with boots?!
Even Mike Oldfield put a question Mark in that box.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on February 15, 2025, 01:40:52 AMYeah, I think about that sometimes. California by Mr. Bungle was done on tape.
I forget if this is true but you reminded me.
I think maybe California was one of the very last 'all analog' mastering Jobs? Forget if I read that in an interview or not.
If there was such a thing as a perfectly recorded album, IMHO this might very well be close as can be.
Quote from: Dumpster D on February 16, 2025, 12:40:14 AMI think maybe California was one of the very last 'all analog' mastering Jobs? Forget if I read that in an interview or not.
Cutting from tape to lathe is still done. The high quality lathes used are all 50+ years old and no one makes them anymore, along with the tape machines that require a preview head. The transfer consoles I've always thought were so cool, even though they're smaller and less visually impressive compared to the big large format analog consoles.
If you're into that kind of stuff check out Paul Gold at Salt Mastering in nyc. He's one of the best still doing it. He built his own console and it's awesome. If you see the new Dylan movie that's his room and desk standing in for the old Atlantic studio.
California is an engineering masterpiece, imo.
OK, so I finally got the funds to get this record, and I am really glad I did. It sounds perfect, much better than the CDs. I heard details on the vinyl I never heard before.
Hail Melvins!
Quote from: Brooklyns Finest PoonTang on May 01, 2025, 10:45:33 PMOK, so I finally got the funds to get this record, and I am really glad I did. It sounds perfect, much better than the CDs. I heard details on the vinyl I never heard before.
Hail Melvins!
Yeah different mastering Job for the Vinyl, it sounds a lot fatter.