Did anyone notice that the Melvins version (which is on Crybaby) is played kinda sloppy? Especially when the guitar switches back to clean and the verse starts. You can clearly hear Buzz miss a note.
on purpose or pretty much recorded in a hurry?
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did lief garret get the joke?
Quote from: sloppy joeDid anyone notice that the Melvins version (which is on Crybaby) is played kinda sloppy? Especially when the guitar switches back to clean and the verse starts. You can clearly hear Buzz miss a note.
on purpose or pretty much recorded in a hurry?
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you should of seen it live with david yow on vocals. i think they did it on purpose, for punk rocks sake!
There are some Melvins fans that get into the Melvins music because Kurt liked them. They now enjoy and love the Melvins. I accept these people as legit Melvins fans.
Some people don't really like the Melvins but pretent to because "Kurt liked them."
This is my theory: Buzzo destroyed Smell Like Teen Spirit for these posers. Imagine the only song you know by the Melvins is a Nirvana cover. These individuals are out there! Their first Melvins cd is the Crybaby because SLTS is covered. The 2X2 tour in support of the Crybaby was two different sets. The second set could be extremely confusing to a Melvins novice. Add in SLTS being sung by some anus jibblet from the audiance and you have just ruined a posers image of the Melvins forever. He begins to question his idol's beliefs and thus his own.
The Crybaby is a great album and of all the songs on the release, Smell Like Teen Spirit is the least exciting. It's just a cover. But throw in Leif Garrett, a former teen idol, and the song takes on a darker meaning.
To answer the question "Do you think Leif ever got it?", I say no. At the Seattle Showbox show he made the statement: "This is historical, in my world anyway" which makes it all the more pathetic.
If you have any 2x2 tour bootlegs of SLTS it is all crystal clear. And with the FTP up and running download a few.
Some food for thought:
Do you think any Hank Williams Sr. fans picked up a copy of the Crybaby for the HankIII cover of Rambling Man? And then fell in love with the Melvins?
Hank III has crossed over to a certain degree
into the "alternative" market by association
with the melvins. this is a good thing.
leif garret however should dry up, and blow away.
Grimreaper..... did they actually ask someone from the crowd to sing that song? thats pretty cool.
reaper, you couldn't be more right. i listened to the 2000 NYC 2X4 version of teen spirit, and you can feel the sense of....almost mockery. they totally took it and made it their own and were like fuck this shit, dorkos. i like it!
I love how when they play it live they fuck up the solo into some crazy noise, as opposed to on the album where it's pretty much straight.
i agree with most of Reaper rant. oddly enough i was a melvins fan through Nirvana, but it took the cover of "Youth of America" to make me pay more attention. I think the Houdini album is more popular for the Nirvana transition, only because real Nirvana fans know Kurt makes an appearance on Sky Pup.
my band butchered Teen Spirit once, had some guy from the audience play drums. Its pretty satisfying to play it poorly, and i think if anything, Kurt would be proud of The Melvins version. He really didnt like SLTS.
anyway, its punk rock to fuck things up.
^^^^ that guys right.
It strikes me as an irony that they sadly played out too late...If only SLTS had appeared on Houdini to both piss off Kurt and to alienate the new Melvins fans...It would have been so satisfying. As far as I'm concerned the joke is rather old news if you look at it in the context of 1999, with Kurt having shuffled off his mortal coil 5 years previously. If the Melvins were hoping to make a point about the Nirvana connection, it's a little late in the day, although what with the copious analysis of Cobain's life as of late I suppose all those fleeting references to the band might have been some form of inspiration to disrespect the Nirvana staple. In any case, the use of Leif Garret went over my head at first but then again, I wasn't even sperm in the '70s so I had no idea about his status...
Having said all this, some of the things that Buzz has said from the stage about Nirvana are frankly unnecessary. F'rinstance, to paraphrase one interview Buzz is said to have described SLTS as "the pahtetic outpourings of a heroin addict", which seems perhaps a little too cold for a man who claimed to have been, if not friends, at least aquintances with Kurt.
In short, well done Melvins. You've made a neat artistic statement and severed any remaining ties with the Nirvana camp but it's old news nowadays.
Was Beck supposed to do this song, but because of management problems they settled with Lief?
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Buzz is said to have described SLTS as "the pahtetic outpourings of a heroin addict", which seems perhaps a little too cold for a man who claimed to have been, if not friends, at least aquintances with Kurt.
its just sad to see such hostility towards a friend. comeon, Kurt helped produce Houdini and they toured together in 94, so they had to at least be friends up until his death. i think Buzz is just sad and angry at the wasting of a life.
Quote from: PAULI love how when they play it live they fuck up the solo into some crazy noise, as opposed to on the album where it's pretty much straight.
Yeah, I really loved that fucked up solo, it makes the song better...
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its just sad to see such hostility towards a friend. comeon, Kurt helped produce Houdini and they toured together in 94, so they had to at least be friends up until his death. i think Buzz is just sad and angry at the wasting of a life.
It's just a shame that Buzz can't be more honest with himself and the audience. The Kurt bahsing is the one attribute of Buzz's that makes me cringe because he sounds like all these pathetic 'scenester' wankers who constantly feel the need to sound as 'underground' as possible. Although, what do I know? I'm not Buzz. Maybe he really does hate Kurt, but then again as you say, he let him help produce a record and toured alongside him...
the cover from Melvins is better than Teen Spirit original!!
course!!!
QuoteWas Beck supposed to do this song, but because of management problems they settled with Lief?
So it is written in the Booklet. I'd say the problem is that Beck converted to fukking Scientology and they are his management nowadays. Wouldn't surprise me if they don't want to be somewhat like connected to the Melvins
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its just sad to see such hostility towards a friend. comeon, Kurt helped produce Houdini and they toured together in 94, so they had to at least be friends up until his death. i think Buzz is just sad and angry at the wasting of a life.
It's just a shame that Buzz can't be more honest with himself and the audience. The Kurt bahsing is the one attribute of Buzz's that makes me cringe because he sounds like all these pathetic 'scenester' wankers who constantly feel the need to sound as 'underground' as possible. Although, what do I know? I'm not Buzz. Maybe he really does hate Kurt, but then again as you say, he let him help produce a record and toured alongside him...
exactly what do you do again?
HA!
It's just a shame that Buzz can't be more honest with himself and the audience. The Kurt bahsing is the one attribute of Buzz's that makes me cringe because he sounds like all these pathetic 'scenester' wankers who constantly feel the need to sound as 'underground' as possible. Although, what do I know? I'm not Buzz. Maybe he really does hate Kurt, but then again as you say, he let him help produce a record and toured alongside him...[/quote]
CAN'T YOU SEE BUZZ'S BEING SARCASTIC???
Although, methinks he is not beeing sarcastic about junkies. He hates them
You pair of fools really underestimate my intelligence don't you? I fail to see the obviousness of Buzz's sarcasm when I've only ever read comments regarding his Kurt slating. Maybe if he was inclined to spout at every show, I would've heard the evidence from his mouth and be in a better position to judge. Your argument is therefore akin to saying that Hitler was only being sarcastic. Incidentally, Buzz showed Kurt how to shoot up, you twat. He may not be a full on junkie, but he's been there.
And Asterisk...is that really your best shot? You poor, sad fuck...
Fuck, you people can really be a bunch of myopic cunts when you're defending your idols can't you? I love Buzz, but he's not perfect. God, why do I bother...
yeah, Buzz's comments very consistently give me that awkward feeling of embarrassment for him. he always just says the opposite of what he "should" say regardless of whether it's rational or not. some of his political quotes don't even make sense to me. his music is smart, but I don't think he is!
occasionally, though, he's dead on and it's worth it...like the spending more money can help make a better album
it is hard to judge just based on quotes, but it's happened so many times.
i think it's safe to say cobain wasn't a bad musician. he should be rewarded for doing something good for music and complaining is disrespectful. it's also hard to judge his motives. it seems he resents the nirvana association because it belittles his work...like nirvana made his career. this is gonna get quoted like a mofo
also, if the SLTS cover is sarcastic, it is extremely dry sarcasm in my opinion. why would they do such a good, powerful version if they didn't like it? or do it at all? if they were planning on getting beck to do it, didn't they want to do it really good? they made prick, why wouldn't they just make the shittiest dumbest version of the song ever heard?
my take is that they wanted to OUTdo nirvana's version to prove that it's not that hard.
also again, buzz likes elvis and furthermore, he's got respect for guys who left mainstream for "authenticity" like Patton and Wes Borland
so maybe it's making a double point with the irony of garret and the overall craft of the song
Quote from: Mario Lemieuxlike Patton and Wes Borland
what did wes borland go on to do? i always felt there was something about him that had potential but was being wasted in that band. i like him and i don't know why....
he did this unbelievably shitty Patton rip-off album..i mean, it was BAD it was like...I wrote it or something. i can't remamber to well, but i think it was in the direction of mr. bungle, i don't remember, all i know is that it was bad. i don't know what else he's done
side note: someone mentioned Youth of America earlier. i love that song, but i had no idea it was a cover. who wrote the original??
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side note: someone mentioned Youth of America earlier. i love that song, but i had no idea it was a cover. who wrote the original??
The Wipers.
thanks, should've known.
im also a melvins fan through nirvana, ive been listening to them for years on songs 'cow' 'revolve' 'hooch' 'lizzy' and i really got into them when i heard night goat.....buzz is indeed not perfect as many other idols, weird how fans are driven to be purposely naive towards their idols..