Poll
Question:
the ozma production?
Option 1: i love it
votes: 9
Option 2: it's ok
votes: 12
Option 3: it sucks balls
votes: 5
should i get ozma and gluely porch treatment together, or seperate for the same price. HOw many tracks are on each? Some info on these cds please.
Buy the Ozma/GPT cd.
its 34 great track.
You can't get Ozma on CD without getting GPT. So buy that first.
I wasn't until I bought the Ipecac re-release, with all the extra tracks, that I really started to appreciating how great GPT is.
My 2
Get the Ozma/GPT cd. Its very good.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzoshould i get ozma and gluely porch treatment together, or seperate for the same price. HOw many tracks are on each? Some info on these cds please.
get them together....its fucking awesome.
Glad GPT was rereleased, it deserves it! Btw, does anyone have anything from Alchemy Records?
I have the Clown Alley album featuring Lori and Mark D. And Virulence which is pre-Fu Manchu. And the Alchemy sampler.
I've been thinking about Ozma, lately and I've come to the conclusion that it's one of my least listened to, and by extension, least favourite Melvins albums...It's not that the material is lacking, although I must confess a penchant for the Melvins latter day stuff, it's the production. It's absolutely fucking awful! Has anyone ever heard a flatter, tinnier production? God, 10 Songs sounds better than this album and as I undersatand it that was done on two-track in some god-forsaken pit.
The bass sound is like Metallica's snare drum on St. Anger...the guitar sound is so thin..and the drums? I think the drums are the only thing on the record that's distinctive at all. This record would be so much better if it sounded like Stoner Witch. I mean, I have Dead Dressed on right now, and it's certainly an impressive track but it annoys me by being so quiet and reedy...
Any opinion anyone?
i absolutely agree. the guitars have some kinda shitty reverb-y sound to them throughout the entire album, and it makes them sound weak as hell.
i think the production is pretty damn good, it has a cool vibe to it. sure it's not the best in the world, but it's not without it's charm.
Quote from: CreepyCrawli think the production is pretty damn good, it has a cool vibe to it. sure it's not the best in the world, but it's not without it's charm.
i agree :)
2 votes each way! But I shan't back down...Gluey's prouction kicks Ozma''s round the proverbial parking lot...
I think everyone can agree on Bullhead at least...
hmmm, i think they should re-record it with billy anderson :) then they would get a bit better sound AND that vintage lo-fi feeling :)
I think that the material on Ozma is some of my favorite Melvins stuff, but yeah the production is pretty flat. But I like the cd so much that it doesn't matter too much to me.
The thing is, it would have really brought out the heaviness of the guitars if they had a thicker sound! And a lot of times on the album, the vocals tend to get "lost", like in "Green Honey". It would be nice if they remastered it, like GPT. I'm not sure how much better they can get it to sound, though, considering the source probably doesn't have the potential to sound that great.
But on the plus side, even though it sounds pretty thin and quiet, at least it's pretty clean. Metallica's St. Anger is a big mess, with the drums drowning everything out.
I was always a huge fan of the ozma album, I never had a problem with the production. In fact, the production has that mechanical cold feel to it. I just enjoy it.
Its probably my favorite album by them. Its jsut wall to wall riffery, seperated by the two covers in it.
Its better than gluey, and I like the production better to. Gluey is too loose sounding.
Bullhead's production sucks away from my enjoyment of the album
speaking of reproductions. they should record some old stuff and put it out on an album. like blessing the operation. that song kicks bottom. maybe bang my head and the fast version of ever since my accident. Snake appeal would be nice too. combine it with the sound from bullhead or eggnog and you've got another excellent melvins album :) oh and i forgot now a limo and grinding process
True. I guess it's a preference of production. I don't really mind that it's got that cold sound to it, since the music is so good. I think that the Melvins were going for that type of mechanical cold feel. I think I read somewhere that Buzz mentioned that was the sound they were going for.
Quote from: turnacussI was always a huge fan of the ozma album, I never had a problem with the production. In fact, the production has that mechanical cold feel to it. I just enjoy it.
Its probably my favorite album by them. Its jsut wall to wall riffery, seperated by the two covers in it.
Its better than gluey, and I like the production better to. Gluey is too loose sounding.
Bullhead's production sucks away from my enjoyment of the album
you're right, the guitars are thin and the mix doesn't have any punch
pffft! production, who needs production... haha, well everyone needs production but yes, i think ozma kicks ass but lori's bass could have been alot better but i liked buzz's guitar too.
but a better production would have been nice....
gluey porch treatments rules fucking ass, and the fact it was done on a two track makes it even better because it gives it that punk quality to it that they grew up listening to.
There is alot of old material the melvins could refine. That would be an interesting project to do.
Thats why their live shows are great, because it brings the life into alot of their old stuff. Anaconda I didn't get until i saw it live.
get a better stereo! :P
i didn't know this thread existed, i was just complaing about it on another thread. how convenient. yeah, i don't like ozma, the songs sound like GPT rejects, i never listen to it.
Quote from: LeroyTrue. I guess it's a preference of production. I don't really mind that it's got that cold sound to it, since the music is so good. I think that the Melvins were going for that type of mechanical cold feel. I think I read somewhere that Buzz mentioned that was the sound they were going for.
that's interesting, because i always thought that weird sound at the beginning of Vile sounded like a machine starting up. *shrugs*
i can't believe people can say they hate ozma...shit. listen to the songs damnit, ozma is damn good.
Ozma has some of Lori's best bass playing ever!! next to Bullhead.
The production is just ok, but Ozma's one of my favourites still, dark and moody
Yes. The songs couldn't possibly be GPT rejects. Everything on Ozma is a lot more complex, and it's riff after riff, while still having a long lasting appeal. It's a different style than GPT, it's just not that apparent by hearing it the first time. It's still one of my favorite Melvins albums. Even though the songs have to grow on you, those songs last.
I don't like listening to Ozma but I think given the context of the time it was recorded, it was
probably one of the more artier and revolutionary rock albums around. It's just so sparse and
hypnotic and bizarre and *metal* without being traditionally metal. I actually like 10 songs far
more than ozma/GPT. But Ozma/GPT does grow on you - I like them a lot more now than I did
when I first got them
10 songs is fucking amazing...i wish they would do a 10 songs tour. those tracks would tear a club apart, i would pay do much for that.... i love 10 songs....
i just listened to it again and i still think it stinks. i think there's a good reason why they rereleased GPT and 10 songs but not Ozma, but we'll see.
Ya gotta love how on Ozma, the sound is so raw. You can hear the sound rattling off of the drums and stuff in the background! :lol:
Quote from: yeknod ykoopsQuote from: LeroyTrue. I guess it's a preference of production. I don't really mind that it's got that cold sound to it, since the music is so good. I think that the Melvins were going for that type of mechanical cold feel. I think I read somewhere that Buzz mentioned that was the sound they were going for.
that's interesting, because i always thought that weird sound at the beginning of Vile sounded like a machine starting up. *shrugs*
that sound was Lori turning on her bass gear.
Seeing as '10 songs' and 'Gluey Porch Treatments' have been re-released on Ipecac I was wondering will they do the same with 'Ozma'? I mean the sound could really do with being a bit more 'polished' and they could take off 'Gluey Porch Treatments' and replace them with some more demos from that era. What do you all think?
It's unlikely for now, at least. You've got to remember that both 10 Songs and Gluey Porch on it's own were both long out of print by the time of the Ipecac reissues. Ozma is still very much available from Boner and they doubtless make a shedload of cash off it even today...
i dont know why number 30 on the cd is gluey porch treatments but on the cd face its listed as number 31, the songs arent listed right
I think that electroretard and ycl:12 will be next. We don't really need an Ozma rerelease.
So you only found one mistake.....
My copy has "Echo Head" and "Don't Piece Me" listed as track 19 and "Exact Paperbacks" and "Happy Grey Or Black" listed as track 23.
yea there all there, i just listed one of the mistakes
not really a mistake but we can hear people talking at the begining of Vile, at the end of Disinvite and at the begginning of Over the under excrement (the last song)
t the beginning of vile i think its lori that says, "k, rolling" and on over from under the excrement someone says, "lets see, do we need anything else". on the end of disinvite i think its dale that says, "steve newman"
Quote from: LouiLoomisSeeing as '10 songs' and 'Gluey Porch Treatments' have been re-released on Ipecac I was wondering will they do the same with 'Ozma'? I mean the sound could really do with being a bit more 'polished' and they could take off 'Gluey Porch Treatments' and replace them with some more demos from that era. What do you all think?
why do you need remaster of OZMA?
i love the original version!
I have the Ozma/GPT cd and I noticed and read somehwere that the tracklisting is off, I think the disc lists 34 songs and there are really 33 or something. If anyone could give me an accurate track listing that would be great. I especially want to know the correct tittle of the 18th song, I think the disc listed it as "Eye Flys" but I'm not sure if that's correct. Thanks.
check this,maybe can help you :
Songs:
1-Vile
2-Oven
3-At A Crawl
4-Let God Be Your Gardener
5-Creepy Smell
6-Kool Legged
7-Green Honey
8-Agonizer
9-Raise A Paw
10-Love Thing
11-Ever Since My Accident
12-Revulsion/We Reach
13-Dead Dressed
14-Cranky Messiah
15-Claude
16-My Secret Percent Shows Most
17-Candy-O
(cd version only Gluey)
18-Eye Flys
19-Echo Head/Don't Piece Me
20-Heater Moves and Eyes
21-Steve Instant Newman
22-Influence Of Atmosphere
23-Exact Paperbacks
24-Happy Grey or Black
25-Leech
26-Glow God
27-Big as a Mountain
28-Heaviness of the Load
29-Flex With You
30-Bitten Into Sympathy
31-Gluey Porch Treatments
32-Clipping Roses
33-As Was It
Over From Under The Excriment
That helps, thanks a lot!
Quote from: MatteThat helps, thanks a lot!
:D :D :D
Quote from: Beto Brasilcheck this,maybe can help you :
Songs:
1-Vile
2-Oven
3-At A Crawl
4-Let God Be Your Gardener
5-Creepy Smell
6-Kool Legged
7-Green Honey
8-Agonizer
9-Raise A Paw
10-Love Thing
11-Ever Since My Accident
12-Revulsion/We Reach
13-Dead Dressed
14-Cranky Messiah
15-Claude
16-My Secret Percent Shows Most
17-Candy-O
(cd version only Gluey)
18-Eye Flys
19-Echo Head/Don't Piece Me
20-Heater Moves and Eyes
21-Steve Instant Newman
22-Influence Of Atmosphere
23-Exact Paperbacks
24-Happy Grey or Black
25-Leech
26-Glow God
27-Big as a Mountain
28-Heaviness of the Load
29-Flex With You
30-Bitten Into Sympathy
31-Gluey Porch Treatments
32-Clipping Roses
33-As Was It
Over From Under The Excriment
Funny - mine's different:
Track 19: Echo Head
and Don't Piece Me
Track 23: Exact Paperbacks
and Happy Grey or Black
The rest is as above. 33 track total.
The Boner version has As it Was and Over from Under the Excrement on one track, and the Ipecac version has them on separate tracks.
HEY YOU ALL!
HAVE A LISTEN TO TRACK NUMERO 29 - FLEX WITH YOU!
ITS AN ORDER!
THE VOLUME SCHOULD BE AT ITS MAX!
AND BE PREPARED FOR...... youll see :)
NP: Flex With You.... :)
im so not cool i know, but the songs is just shit-taking
does anyonone have lyrix to this?
i thought it was "echo head" and "dont pierce me" that was separated on the ipecac one.
How very opportune! This discussion of the OZMA/GPT disc is timely, insofar as I actually ordered the disc in question from my favorite internet retailer, this very afternoon! (Along with Foetus' "Flow", but that's of no concern to you)
i enjoy Flow... great Foetus album. Of course, it's no Ozma, but what is really...
Ozma seems to be mixed to sound like Hotter than Hell by KISS,
they also used the endorsment of Pearl and Gibson at this point
as well, coincidence?? I think not!
the original 'Going Blind' is also on Hotter than Hell (KISS),
and oddly enough it showed up just after on Melvins, Houdini!
call me Sherlock Conda, holmes ROCK N ROLL!
And they did " Love Thing " on Ozma, a send up of " Love Theme From Kiss " from " KISS ". Maybe you're on to something man. Actually I've been trying to prove for years that " Oven " was actually an outtake from " Funhouse " by the Stooges!
also i believe that hotter than hell was one of buzzo's favorite albums
ive never herd KIss
are they good :?: :P
Yes man, right up 'til they did the solo albums they were killer,
all down hill after that though, by the time they took the makeup off
they were through being a musical force. Start with these 3 CDs
(http://www.its-official.com/covers/kiss.jpg)
(http://www.its-official.com/covers/hotter.jpg)
(http://www.its-official.com/covers/rollover.jpg)
I agree but you gotta admit that the Ace Frehley album was awesome and the best of the four.
Quote from: Lorax BricklebritI agree but you gotta admit that the Ace Frehley album was awesome and the best of the four.
Ace's solo album is fantastic.
i'm all about the KISSin' but the studio albums lack the Stanleyisms. and we all know that's the real draw......head straight for Alive I and II and like yourself a little taste of alco-hol!!!
i think stanley may have originally written god of thunder. i have the demo and it's truly horrifying/hilarious.
Quote from: Green Honeyi think stanley may have originally written god of thunder. i have the demo and it's truly horrifying/hilarious.
I am pretty sure that Stanley may have written and sung it at first but the label wanted Gene Simmons to. Have you guys ever heard anything by Wicked Lester? It was Simmons and Stanley's first group before Kiss
Yep, Paul Stanley wrote it. The official KISS writing credits are here:
http://www.its-official.com/kiss.html
Berthas sounds just like Detroit Rock City too... you know the verse of berthas and intro to detroit.
Quote from: kurvaive never herd KIss
are they good :?: :P
UH?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Kiss is a great band man!! yeah !!
Quote from: Lorax BricklebritQuote from: Green Honeyi think stanley may have originally written god of thunder. i have the demo and it's truly horrifying/hilarious.
I am pretty sure that Stanley may have written and sung it at first but the label wanted Gene Simmons to. Have you guys ever heard anything by Wicked Lester? It was Simmons and Stanley's first group before Kiss
Wicked Lester is great, in a camp, hysterical way! They were hippies.
Hippies who've never done drugs?? Bah!! well Stanley and
Simmons anyways, we know Ace and Peter were heavy
dopers. 8)
Quote from: anacondaHippies who've never done drugs?? Bah!! well Stanley and
Simmons anyways, we know Ace and Peter were heavy
dopers. 8)
Perhaps I should clarify...
It was a hippy sound.. perhaps $immon$ thought that was popular and would $ell.
Of course, he also tried the drag thing like the New York Dolls.
Quote from: kurvaive never herd KIss
are they good :?: :P
:?
for the record, I hate the way Ozma was mixed.
many people on this board seem to dislike it. personally i love it; it's one of my favorite melvins releases. i tweaked my guitar to sound pretty much like it hehe. every time i listened to it for the past 2 years i think wow this is so awesome
melvins albums don't seem to get boring... ever
Production is ok, and the songs are FUCKING AWESOME
I totally love it. Of course the production could have been 'better' - whatever the hell that means - but I absolutely dig it this way.I have listened a lot to it last week and I also found out a just few days ago that Candy-O is actually a Cars cover ;]
Quote from: norecessand I also found out a just few days ago that Candy-O is actually a Cars cover ;]
:lol: me too
i like alot of treble, so i like ozma
I think Ozma is one of the strongest collections of songs they have put out... with something like 18 tracks, killer to filler ratio is probably one of the best...
so the production is less important to me. Its not the best of them all but to me it sounds better thatn GPT (which is why I never understood why some people praised GPT over Ozma... but whatever)
Sometimes production doesnt matter. Like on Ozma.
i dont hate it, but it could be a little bit meatier. i think if it was a louder mix i would be a bit more excepting. overall it's really cool. you can hear each instrument very claerly and no instrument covers another.
yeah I love Ozma, one of my favorite melvins albums. and yes you can hear everything, the mix is definately clean, even though it's a little flat. i like how lori turned the treble up high on her bass. this way you can often hear every note she's playing,and it's audible how good of a bass player she was on "let god be your gardener". . and i agree what others said, the consistent raw production fits well with the vibe of the songs.
you people are insane, or deaf, one of the two. thats the worst fucking production this side of c.o.c.'s eye for an eye. if there was any way to salvage that tinny piece of shit, i'd be first in line to buy the remaster. it makes ...and justice for all sound like a dub mix.
I have to vote in favor since this was the 1st full lenght relase I bought by the Melvins, actually when it was fist released.
I think it sounds fine. There are much worse sounding recordings.
Quote from: ziumi tweaked my guitar to sound pretty much like it hehe.
What did you do?
You wanna hear some bad production?
Check this out you audiophile mugs!!!
http://www.hourearth.com/gvomit060405.htm
it's the only album that i don't like the sound of dale's snare.
it's alright. i would've messed with the drums a little more, but all in all it's good.
Quote from: blipntimeyou people are insane, or deaf, one of the two. thats the worst fucking production this side of c.o.c.'s eye for an eye. if there was any way to salvage that tinny piece of shit, i'd be first in line to buy the remaster. it makes ...and justice for all sound like a dub mix.
He's blunt, but he's got a point.
Seriously, I still fail to see what's just so special about Ozma in pretty much every way. The production's flat, lifeless and tinny and I'm not even sold on half the songs on it. Sure, sure, Oven and We Reach are classics but I find that a lot of the album washes over me without leaving much of a mark. Candy-O was my favourite track on it for ages, and then I found out that was a cover...pretty much says it all.
If Ozma had, say, Stoner Witch's production it might sound more reasonable and alive and I might love it as much as you folks but as far as I'm concerned Ozma just ain't one of the Melvins best efforts.
Quote from: Huey P. NewtonQuote from: ziumi tweaked my guitar to sound pretty much like it hehe.
What did you do?
my amp settings are bass 2, mids 0 and treble 1.5 while getting distortion from a ds1 (tone rolled almost all the way back, but much distortion). the volume on my les paul (bridge pickup) is at 4
Quote from: ziumQuote from: Huey P. NewtonQuote from: ziumi tweaked my guitar to sound pretty much like it hehe.
What did you do?
Plug a ProCoRat into the front end of a shitty solid state power amp. The guitar sound on Ozma is fine, its the rest of the instruments that sound terrible. I get a fuller bass sound plugging my J-Bass into my 10 watt Vox guitar amp. And the drums....the whole album sounds like Dale is trying to imitate the main drum fill that kicks in the chorus on In The Air Tonite and just not pullin' off the Phil Collins magic. And I do mean the whole album as it doesnt seem as if Dale plays a straight pattern for any more than 2 or 3 seconds. Just drum fills the whole fuckin' way through. Annoying.
buzzo used a rat on bullhead for sure but i don't think he used a rat on ozma
If anyone here has heard Ozma on vinyl, it doesnt sound near as bad as the cd version. Its almost as if they didnt bother re-mastering it for CD or something. On vinyl you have to master the recording so the frequencies arent as extreme or you'd have to have a huge slab of vinyl, and your record player has an equalizer that adds those frequencies back in.
Quote from: blipntimeit doesnt seem as if Dale plays a straight pattern for any more than 2 or 3 seconds. Just drum fills the whole fuckin' way through. Annoying.
oh so you want straight patterns, huh? yeah, and a radio hit would sure be swell!
his sense of timing is one of the things that makes dale such a special drummer. it's like saying, "buzz doesn't make any sense when he sings, just jibberish the whole fucking way through. annoying."
I'll second that! the beauty of dale IS that he plays around the beat, its his style to do anything but a straight 4/4. it's called lead drums, and it's dale's legacy.
no its way more random than on their later albums. you have to have something to establish the beat before you play around it. he's a great drummer now but he wasnt that great on ozma to solo the whole time.
i am a big fan of dale's drumming. it was just too busy on ozma.
i disagree.
also, you don't have to "have something to play around it" you can play around whatever the fuck you want. don't be so rigid and flat
I'll second Dudbean's seconding of Anaconda's seconding.
the only thing i miss is a cover version of Just what i needed :)
Quote from: DudbeanI guess I can see what people mean when they say they don't like the production, but to be honest, until you guys mentioned it I didn't even think about it. When I think about Ozma I automatically hear Vile in my head, and that song kicks me in the teeth every time, so I can't complain about the album at all.
The bass does sound tinny when the guitar cuts out, but fortunately that's not very often. And the drums are so 'live' and clear that you can hear everything that Dale is doing, which I love. Three thumbs up from me.
OZMA? FUCKING BRILLIANT!
Its maybe not as heavy as GPT, but the sound is pretty interesting,,,,... not many albums sound like this
and I waited a long time till someone mentioned VILE!!!
one of my all time FAVORITES!!!
one of the best melvinss songs IMO!
KLASSICK!
the drums are just genius, minimal but crushing
ozma is definitely superior to glpt. and songwise its up there with any of the melvins releases. but the melvins didnt sound like that live. listen to the same songs on your choice live....mindblowing.
i think it just needs to be remastered.
Quote from: Leroy"let god be your gardener"
That's such a great track. I love the way it starts in 3/4, then "stutters" into 4/4.
yes it is great
Was this ever released singley i.e. without Gluey Porch Treatments tacked on? Thanks.
Yes. By Boner records in '89
Is it the same cover and whatnot as the other?
http://www.themelvins.net/discography/index.html
Your avatar is one of the coolest things I've ever seen...I'm sorry, but I may have to steal it for some other forums I belong to...
It's sans Gluey on vinyl. I believe the tape has 6 Songs on it, but I may be wrong.
Did you mean my avatar? Im assuming not but thanks if you do. On the subject of avatars, why does mine and others sometimes show up and sometimes not? I know there must be some option im missing.
Quote from: ninjabachelorparty on February 06, 2006, 05:33:34 PM
Did you mean my avatar? Im assuming not but thanks if you do. On the subject of avatars, why does mine and others sometimes show up and sometimes not? I know there must be some option im missing.
I thought he meant yours at first because it is interesting but then i saw Jack Morts :o damn its cool.
Quote from: PAUL on February 06, 2006, 12:21:31 PM
It's sans Gluey on vinyl. I believe the tape has 6 Songs on it, but I may be wrong.
The Gluey tape has '6 songs' on it. The Ozma CD includes 'Candy-O' (which is not on the vinyl) and of course Gluey.
Quote from: Reverend Ebeneezer on February 06, 2006, 03:32:17 AM
Your avatar is one of the coolest things I've ever seen...I'm sorry, but I may have to steal it for some other forums I belong to...
Well, I don't see it being used on any of the other forums I post at, so i'll let it pass :evil: :wink:
alright so the guy from slap-a-ham drew ozma - i find it extremely appealing. the actual oz illustrations for the books are pretty good too.... but i was wondering if anyone knew anything about chris dodge now....?
if you notice that ozma kind of has a bizarre male/female cross its because in the series she was turned into a boy- didnt know she was a girl- and then turned back into a girl by glinda- found that reflective in the illustration. in most classic illustrations she has two flowers on the side of her head but am i missing something concerning the melvins cover? for some reason on the left side it looks like one of those ride on sticks with a pony head kids used to have. maybe ive just been studying this from every angle because im getting it tattooed on the back of my neck soon. i dont know how im going to go about it because im a stickler for detail and needles can only get so small and blowouts on my skin - especially a melvins tattoo will NOT be appreciated. my tattoo artist- tony.... hes a little jumpy. i trust him and all but hes a little high strung. want to make it clean cut. eeegad so nervous about quality, but love the "pain"
well - feedback- opinions, etc- welcomed- appreciated.
-kish.
I haven't heard anything related to Chris Dodge in some time. I spoke to him on the phone once trying to get a copy of the first Fu Manchu 7". He didn't have any left. Nice guy though. Played in Stikky and No Use For A Name. Columnist for Maximum RockNRoll.
I think he did the art for the " With Yo Heart Not Yo Hands " record as well as Ozma.
Slap A Ham did the Melvins 8" flexi and 5 " Flipper tribute single.
Chris Dodge has recently done "East West Blast Test." It is available through Ipecac.
Quote from: DubEMC on March 05, 2006, 12:03:09 AM
I haven't heard anything related to Chris Dodge in some time. I spoke to him on the phone once trying to get a copy of the first Fu Manchu 7". He didn't have any left. Nice guy though. Played in Stikky and No Use For A Name. Columnist for Maximum RockNRoll.
I think he did the art for the " With Yo Heart Not Yo Hands " record as well as Ozma.
Slap A Ham did the Melvins 8" flexi and
Quote from: DubEMC on March 05, 2006, 12:03:09 AM
Played in Stikky and No Use For A Name.
Don't forget Spazz. His ebay username is Ponty. He sold A LOT of SAH stuff over the years; I tried to buy the Melvins 5" at him just after it came out but was told it was sold out. Since then he must've sold at least 20 copies at ebay "because he suddenly found a box full of 'em on a shelf".
he played bass for SPAZZ,a great thrash/grind band.i used to buy shit from slap a ham every week...
I think it will turn out well Kish.
Quote from: Mesteren on March 05, 2006, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: DubEMC on March 05, 2006, 12:03:09 AM
Played in Stikky and No Use For A Name.
Don't forget Spazz. His ebay username is Ponty. He sold A LOT of SAH stuff over the years; I tried to buy the Melvins 5" at him just after it came out but was told it was sold out. Since then he must've sold at least 20 copies at ebay "because he suddenly found a box full of 'em on a shelf".
:-& :microwave:
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on March 05, 2006, 11:11:15 AM
a chick with a melvins tattoo... =P~ =P~ :love: :love: :love:
I bet that's what everyone here thought after they read it, including the gals.
Quote from: klump on March 05, 2006, 08:32:20 AM
Nope, that was Brian Walsby.
Check out his new comics at MySpace.
Oh wait, I'm sure you already have.
:)
Quote from: Dr. Seabass on March 05, 2006, 07:09:21 AM
Chris Dodge has recently done "East West Blast Test." It is available through Ipecac.
with dave whitte! [drummer for municipal waste - crazy thrash - annnnd melt-banana [in the states] havent heard it but hope its good.
municipal waste looks really bad
http://www.earache.com/bands/municipal_waste/navigation/wastepic.jpg
Quote from: baruk on March 05, 2006, 07:19:52 PM
municipal waste looks really bad
http://www.earache.com/bands/municipal_waste/navigation/wastepic.jpg
yeah i've seen them though and they entertaining. if i liked circle pits more i'd definitely
a- like municipal waste more live [cant say id ever listen to their recordings by choice]
b- get beat up for being a girl. at least people dont start throwing and do fake kung fu shit with "windmills"
why weren't these two tracks split on the Ozma disc to make 34 tracks like it shows on the Cd. I'm glad it's seperated on the rerelease.
Huh? What rerelease?
Boner re-issued Ozma and GPT together on one CD
Quote from: anaconda on April 14, 2006, 01:52:56 PM
Boner re-issued Ozma and GPT together on one CD
Was that the first time Ozma was pressed to CD or was there an Ozma only CD version before that?
Ya I believe so, the only Ozma-only release was the vinyl and cassette versions originally
I just want to hear your opinions before I drop the money on these albums. I've heard them in various places before, and I admit they sound like shit, but they're obviously still worth picking up if it's the only option. If there's any plans to give them the Gluey Porch...uhh....treatment....then I'd rather just wait.
Also, are these two albums available on vinyl, and do they sound any better?
Thanks.
They don't sound like shit, they're just a bit quieter than the cds of today. TURN IT UP!
Seriously, apart from volume there is sod all difference between the Gluey on Ozma and the ipecac Gluey.
I've always thought those albums sound great the way the are. The sound quality gives it a kind of aura that I like!
i doubt they're ever touching ozma again...
Quote from: CaptainPungent on May 22, 2006, 11:52:24 AM
i doubt they're ever touching ozma again...
Does Buzzo not like Ozma anymore?
The sound on Ozma sucks. It sounds like Dale's drums are made of tin or something. Its all of matter of taste I suppose, but I'd be first in line to buy a copy of a re-mastered version of Ozma.
Remastering it isn't going to stop the drums sounding like that.
Ozma sound like shit, but its the best Melvins album.
I never particularly liked the sound of Ozma either. The songs are killer, but the production is just a little off to me. Bullhead sounds great, the cd is just mastered a little quiet.
i HAVE THE OZMA CD WITH ALL OF THE ORIGINAL TRACKS FROM GLUEY PORCH TREATMENTS ON IT, HOW RARE IS THAT, TRULY I AM CURIOUS. IT HAS A TOTAL OF 33 TRACKS AND I BELIEVE IT IS BOTH COMPLETE ALBUMS ON ONE CD. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THANKS
me too. who wants to buy it? do I hear 1 million dollars? anyone?
haha
MAN THAT IS SO UNBELEIVBLY RARE YOU SHOULD LOCK IT AWAY SOMEWHERE AND NEVER LISTEN TO IT!!!!!
In case you haven't figured it out yet, it's not that rare at all rich.
Practically everyone here has a copy, as do their friends
Quote from: anaconda on May 31, 2006, 09:40:38 AM
In case you haven't figured it out yet, it's not that rare at all rich.
Practically everyone here has a copy, as do their friends
SSSHHHH!!!!! don't ruin it! I was about to get a bite on the 1 million dollar sale!
Quote from: anaconda on May 31, 2006, 09:40:38 AM
In case you haven't figured it out yet, it's not that rare at all rich.
Practically everyone here has a copy, as do their friends
who the hell here has friends? :lol:
Quote from: richwint on May 31, 2006, 08:42:20 AM
i HAVE THE OZMA CD WITH ALL OF THE ORIGINAL TRACKS FROM GLUEY PORCH TREATMENTS ON IT, HOW RARE IS THAT, TRULY I AM CURIOUS. IT HAS A TOTAL OF 33 TRACKS AND I BELIEVE IT IS BOTH COMPLETE ALBUMS ON ONE CD. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THANKS
then it is incomplete there should be 34 tracks.
Quote from: FART LIPS on May 31, 2006, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: richwint on May 31, 2006, 08:42:20 AM
i HAVE THE OZMA CD WITH ALL OF THE ORIGINAL TRACKS FROM GLUEY PORCH TREATMENTS ON IT, HOW RARE IS THAT, TRULY I AM CURIOUS. IT HAS A TOTAL OF 33 TRACKS AND I BELIEVE IT IS BOTH COMPLETE ALBUMS ON ONE CD. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THANKS
then it is incomplete there should be 34 tracks.
AH HA!!! an anomolie recording. the rare 33 track version. I heard there is only 4 of those in known existance and buzz and dale own 2. that means rich has one and the other..... is in a used cd store in Colliersville TN. with a $5 price tag. RAT RACE!!!!!!!! the first person to Schleppy's Used CD's in Colliersville TN. gets the disc worth an estimated $32,000.00 for a mear $5.
ready? go.
done!
SO RARE IT'S IN CAPITALS
Quote from: glen on May 31, 2006, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: FART LIPS on May 31, 2006, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: richwint on May 31, 2006, 08:42:20 AM
i HAVE THE OZMA CD WITH ALL OF THE ORIGINAL TRACKS FROM GLUEY PORCH TREATMENTS ON IT, HOW RARE IS THAT, TRULY I AM CURIOUS. IT HAS A TOTAL OF 33 TRACKS AND I BELIEVE IT IS BOTH COMPLETE ALBUMS ON ONE CD. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THANKS
then it is incomplete there should be 34 tracks.
AH HA!!! an anomolie recording. the rare 33 track version. I heard there is only 4 of those in known existance and buzz and dale own 2. that means rich has one and the other..... is in a used cd store in Colliersville TN. with a $5 price tag. RAT RACE!!!!!!!! the first person to Schleppy's Used CD's in Colliersville TN. gets the disc worth an estimated $32,000.00 for a mear $5.
ready? go.
:lol:
Yea, so I find these ozma/gluey porch treatment cds on the ground ALL the time. After listening to it I snap the disc and go outside for a walk to find a new one, only the best for
my ears.
I'VE GOT THE 8 SONGS CD, 10 SONGS 7", AND THE 6 SONGS 12"! BIDS START YOUR SOUL OR YOU CAN BUY NOW BY SENDING ME YOUR WIFE AND KIDS.
- LOUIS CYPHERE
Yeah my attic is lousy with Ozma/GPT discs. I use em for beer coasters.
What's really rare is the no sided 4 inch Melvins flexi disc on Big Goombah Records.
I have 3 copies.
Starting price is eleventy million dollars.
Perhaps he really did not know. Maybe he is new to the Melvins. You all are not being very Melviny with the newest message board member. Did I just say Melviny?
Quote from: Mad Arab on May 31, 2006, 07:37:25 PM
Perhaps he really did not know. Maybe he is new to the Melvins. You all are not being very Melviny with the newest message board member. Did I just say Melviny?
yes you did. and you typed it too.
8 SONGS CD SOLD TO THE MAD ARAB FOR THE JUICE OF HALF A LIME!!! FART LIPS? 6 SONG 12"??? I WILL OFFER IT TO YOU FOR THE MELVINY PRICE OF HALF A LEMON!!! AND I'LL THROW IN AS A BONUS MY OZMA/GPT CD WITH 37 TRACKS!!!
But in all seriosiness.........welcome to the board Rich. Mad Arab has shamed blacksanta into extending my schlong of friendship for you to shake. And no, its not a rare cd, but its great music. :D
not to fear rich. this is simply your hazing initiation. EVERYONE'S first thread gets raped. its all part of the process.
(geez guys, good job. the poor fella will probably never post on a message board again.)
hey you folks are funny, I think I just broke my cd laughing :( if anyone feels they have eleventy million dollars I'll take it in two payments, one for each half. the splinters are going for twelve grand a piece. good luck :D
Quote from: blacksanta on May 31, 2006, 06:27:37 PM
OR YOU CAN BUY NOW BY SENDING ME YOUR WIFE AND KIDS.
don't suppose I could send you my wife and kids anyway, could I? you can keep the cd.
THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER
If anyone has a spare wife and kids going I would like em. My ex-wife got the Ozma/GPT 39 track laserdisc in the divorce back in 2k1 but now I am ready to love again.
Quote from: Andy on June 02, 2006, 01:13:20 PM
THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER
fresh blood brings out the best (worst) in us. :twisted:
well, I'll take the wife if she meets my qualifications for a respectable woman, give me a bio sheet and photo so I can asses the situation, you can keep the kids I don't need any of those until I have my own. And thanks for letting me keep the cd, I really like it :lol:
Actually, the rarest Melvins CD is the one they have yet to record and release, so there are 0 copies of it in existence.
I bellieve i once read somewhere it was; after all, Mark D's label hadn't yet gone belly-up (in '89- having just released an album by a band named Virulence - with featured future members of Fu Manchu) and he did produce Ozma. I think when the Melvs signed with Boner, all Alchemy releases of Ozma were discarded and reissued on Boner.So... I don't know, just wondering.
Someone here will know this, trust me.
The original GPT vinyl came out on Alchemy,
but Ozma was released on Boner. See the discography:
http://www.themelvins.net/discography/index.html
it was the first MELVINS I heard.
I remember my drunk/stoned ass playing it loud at parties and clearing the room. #-o
I'm hooked on this album lately. not to go all "broken-record" on you, but dale just TEARS IT UP on this record like none other. I could listen to dale pounding away on this endlessly.
no one song is a continuos beat. dale plays WITH the songs, not behind them. its fucking genious. goddam record is so beautiful it makes me cry.
get my gest?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k319/chuck_hartford/melvinsozmapromo.jpg)
anyone else ever notice how short lori's thumbs are?
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on August 01, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
anyone else ever notice how short lori's thumbs are?
anyone else ever notice how stupid looking their haircuts are?
(did I say that?)
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on August 01, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
anyone else ever notice how short lori's thumbs are?
she sold the tips of them to buy heroin. :P
Quote from: glen on August 01, 2006, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on August 01, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
anyone else ever notice how short lori's thumbs are?
anyone else ever notice how stupid looking their haircuts are?
I would admire any band in this world if I knew they have haircuts like Da Buzzle and Lorax as in that picture.
the cat photo is genius. By far the best band shot EVERR!!!
This picture brings up a question that I have had for a while now. How tall are Buzz and Dale??
Quote from: Guts on August 01, 2006, 01:54:08 PM
This picture brings up a question that I have had for a while now. How tall are Buzz and Dale??
dale is short, about 5'7, buzz maybe slightly taller.
I'm bout 5'11" and I got a few inches on either one.
so that makes lorax oh about 4' 2"?
yeah, i believe dale is 5' 7'' because when i met him we were exactly eye to eye.
i almost kissed him.
Quote from: CaptainPungent on August 01, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
yeah, i believe dale is 5' 7'' because when i met him we were exactly eye to eye.
i almost kissed him.
this is the reason some musicians are afraid of their fans. :lol:
Ozma is brilliant. The musicianship, the song writing and the artwork are all outstanding.
I remember getting that cd and being elated that Gluey Porch Treatments was added to the end. I felt like the Melvins were really giving back to their fans.
Also Amzo is Ozma spelled backwards.
Coincidentally, I read in Teen Bop that the name of the cat that Lori is holding by the tail in the Ozma photo is Amzo.
Quote from: GrimReaper on August 01, 2006, 07:12:27 PM
I remember getting that cd...I felt like the Melvins were really giving back to their fans.
.....how do you feel about this issue now?
Last time I converted my length to feet I was 6' 6" tall. Ain't I ass-kicking?
I'm between 5'7'' and 5'8'' and when Dale walked past me when i last saw them play i think he was a little shorter than me. or very close to my height.
It was funny actually, the place was packed and everyone was standing around drinking and waiting for the melvins to come on and Dale was just walking through the crowd and no one seemed to know who he was. Or they didn't take any notice.
Quote from: mopafeena on August 03, 2006, 01:51:13 AM
It was funny actually, the place was packed and everyone was standing around drinking and waiting for the melvins to come on and Dale was just walking through the crowd and no one seemed to know who he was. Or they didn't take any notice.
Shit, I hope that didn't happen to me three years ago! When I saw the Melvins and Tomahawk then I remember Mike Patton was standing at the bar, talking to some people. Maybe Dale was there too, I don't know. I don't even think I knew how he looked like back then because all I saw during the show was his drumkit.
Quote from: norecess on August 03, 2006, 06:58:19 AM
Quote from: mopafeena on August 03, 2006, 01:51:13 AM
It was funny actually, the place was packed and everyone was standing around drinking and waiting for the melvins to come on and Dale was just walking through the crowd and no one seemed to know who he was. Or they didn't take any notice.
Shit, I hope that didn't happen to me three years ago! When I saw the Melvins and Tomahawk then I remember Mike Patton was standing at the bar, talking to some people. Maybe Dale was there too, I don't know. I don't even think I knew how he looked like back then because all I saw during the show was his drumkit.
Wish i got a photo or said hello or something but i wasn't possitive that it was him until he jumped up on stage and started playing.
This must be THE ONE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/MELVINS-Ozma-CD-w-Gluey-Porch-Treatments-MEGA-RARE_W0QQitemZ320030087861QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1572QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That's the MEGA RARE version!!! :shock:
and now the bidding is up to
I almost threw away my Lysol LP because it said Clorox to the left of the Native American. But instead I traded it in for a MEGA RARE Never Breathe What You Can't See CD.
(Am I too new to be hazing, even if it's kinda corny?)
Quote from: Doctor Seamonkey on September 22, 2006, 11:48:50 PM
I almost threw away my Lysol LP because it said Clorox to the left of the Native American. But instead I traded it in for a MEGA RARE Never Breathe What You Can't See CD.
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: Obolus on May 31, 2006, 06:15:05 PM
:lol:
Yea, so I find these ozma/gluey porch treatment cds on the ground ALL the time. After listening to it I snap the disc and go outside for a walk to find a new one, only the best for my ears.
AAAHHAHAHHA!! i laughed so long and loud on this one....hoooo.. very good
Quote from: Doctor Seamonkey on September 22, 2006, 11:48:50 PM
(Am I too new to be hazing, even if it's kinda corny?)
Never too new for hazing! and Never too corny!
Quote from: Vcavallo on September 23, 2006, 11:09:20 AM
Never too new for hazing! and Never too corny!
Hell Yeah! :D
That Ozma is an awesome album. That is all.
A true masterpiece, and unprecedented.
you can bring up OZMA anytime in my book. its all about dale on ozma. go get it, pop it in, and just focus on the drums.
I insist.
then report back to this thread. I'll be waiting.
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
you can bring up OZMA anytime in my book. its all about dale on ozma. go get it, pop it in, and just focus on the drums.
I insist.
then report back to this thread. I'll be waiting.
Here I am.
Quote from: norecess on January 03, 2007, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
you can bring up OZMA anytime in my book. its all about dale on ozma. go get it, pop it in, and just focus on the drums.
I insist.
then report back to this thread. I'll be waiting.
Here I am.
well? did you cry? see GOD? wet your pants? what happened?
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: norecess on January 03, 2007, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
you can bring up OZMA anytime in my book. its all about dale on ozma. go get it, pop it in, and just focus on the drums.
I insist.
then report back to this thread. I'll be waiting.
Here I am.
well? did you cry? see GOD? wet your pants? what happened?
It all happened. Many, many times before. I've been there buddy, A LOT!
it can and will touch you. enlightenment at its finest.
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: norecess on January 03, 2007, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
you can bring up OZMA anytime in my book. its all about dale on ozma. go get it, pop it in, and just focus on the drums.
I insist.
then report back to this thread. I'll be waiting.
Here I am.
I wet on gods pants. And you just made me realize I'm missing my copy of Ozma on cd. I have Ozma/GPT, but dammit, I want my Ozma back.....
well? did you cry? see GOD? wet your pants? what happened?
Quote from: Idlehanz on January 03, 2007, 06:53:07 PM
you just made me realize I'm missing my copy of Ozma on cd.
I suggest a jamming of the panic button.
Quote from: glen on January 03, 2007, 06:55:49 PM
Quote from: Idlehanz on January 03, 2007, 06:53:07 PM
you just made me realize I'm missing my copy of Ozma on cd.
I suggest a jamming of the panic button.
I hope it's in a box somewhere, but I'm already on ebay looking for one just in case.
The specific album I am referring is in fact Ozma/GPT. They are masterpieces by themselves no doubt, but having them together in one convenient package is sensory overload.
Does it get any better than Ozma/GPT/Bullhead/Eggnog/Lysol? :D
Put them on..and the party starts.
huhd?
watchyu cracka fools talkin' boud?
i'd ratha wash my sheets with shit than hear this shit
what's an ozma and that dale crover drum playing?
i mean CUHM ON!
hasn't this guy ever heard of neil peart?
does he think his drumset is a geetar?
he's gotta listen to this new tool album or just give up on playing!
(A) Senile Pungent? :)
Quote from: Joe Deutrom II on January 03, 2007, 07:50:45 PM
The specific album I am referring is in fact Ozma/GPT. They are masterpieces by themselves no doubt, but having them together in one convenient package is sensory overload.
anytime i'm constipated, i throw this in. its an instant melvins enema. :P
speaking of genious melvins albums that are lost and found...
I thought I lost egg nog. I had the case but could find the disc nowhere. so I went out and got me another copy. low and behold the old one popped up in a different case.
now I got two. I would be inclined to move one to someone here who happens to not have it at a very reasonable price. I'd rather se it get into the hands of a true melvins junky at a reasonable price then throw it up on ebay and let MITROWSKI run the price up out of reach for other poor folk like myself.
look me up if you happen to have any interest.
If Ozma is a Dale showcase, then GPT is a Buzz showcase as it has some nasty sounding guitar playing and solos.
Quote from: Joe Deutrom II on January 04, 2007, 08:18:13 PM
If Ozma is a Dale showcase, then GPT is a Buzz showcase as it has some nasty sounding guitar playing and solos.
I really hate that album. Heater Moves and Eyes is the worst, the way that guitar comes in makes me sick.
Quote from: Guts on January 04, 2007, 10:44:23 PM
I really hate that album. Heater Moves and Eyes is the worst, the way that guitar comes in makes me sick.
you're kidding. please tell me you're kidding. Heater Moves and Eyes is a top 5 melvins song in my book.
Quote from: glen on January 05, 2007, 07:01:15 AM
Quote from: Guts on January 04, 2007, 10:44:23 PM
I really hate that album. Heater Moves and Eyes is the worst, the way that guitar comes in makes me sick.
you're kidding. please tell me you're kidding. Heater Moves and Eyes is a top 5 melvins song in my book.
Indeed, that was me kidding around and I TOTALLY FOOLED YOU!
For a second there I thought another blasphemy was taking place.
I just got this on vinyl the other day and noticed it had "millions of dead melvins" scratched on the centre part by the label and "melvin pole bath tub" on the other side , has anybody else got this or something different written on there vinyl copy?
I don't, but I wanted to make an observation about the lyrics of Cranky Messiah.
I think in the last verse Buzz is referring to Dale being like a brother to him,
almost a disciple if you will:
"Pounded air patterns, convey messages
you're the brother sended, to the brother soul."
i think it's Dale's hands being beaten bloody by his playing without gardening gloves back in the day
Quote from: anaconda on June 07, 2007, 02:48:19 PM
I don't, but I wanted to make an observation about the lyrics of Cranky Messiah.
I think in the last verse Buzz is referring to Dale being like a brother to him,
almost a disciple if you will:
"Pounded air patterns, convey messages
you're the brother sended, to the brother soul."
Interesting observation Conda. I think you might be right.
Quote from: Dudbean on June 07, 2007, 06:41:42 PM
But his wounds won't heal. 'Splain THAT!
Aristoteles already did!
Bad people bring damage to their own soul at least, when not necessarily to others.
I don't "have something different written on my vinyl copy"
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/510/510167/op_bonde_a_1188211101.jpg)
"let god be your gardener"
choco like fondue pouring down my leg. i made a mistake just a mis take.
the frist album I heard by Melvins was Ozma with GPT as bonus tracks. I remember being completely floored by the awe inspiring slowness and heaviness. From the opening notes of Vile through the end to Candy-O, my jaw was hanging open the entire time. And after hearing Eye Flys and the rest of GPT, it was all over, I was now a Melvins disciple.
I just got my copy of the CD version of this today.
"Is the painting on the cover of Lysol the same one you speak of in the lyrics to Koollegged? A) Actually THAT picture was of a ship captain with Jesus helping him pilot his boat through a storm. I never went to church as a child at all so I thought the long haired guy was an indian. It still sort of makes sense. "
I wonder if this was the picture he was talking about.
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2056/jesuscaptainoflife27sse.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/jesuscaptainoflife27sse.jpg/)
Quote from: Billy Fish on August 27, 2007, 03:58:26 PM
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/510/510167/op_bonde_a_1188211101.jpg)
"let god be your gardener"
This is a great picture; the vertical slits on the poppy pods are cut, they leak sap, and the sap is collected on that spoon. Then the sap gets refined into various things..
Like heroin??
Yep. Morphine, codeine, etc..as well.
I had morphine once in the hospital. It felt really really good.
I always really liked Ozma. Got my first copy when I was about 15 or so, on cassette, no GPT on it. I was very much into it then, and still count it in my top 5 Melvins albums. Yes, the production is flat. But I'm gonna try running it through my studio recording gears with eq's and a sonic maximizer and see what kind of sound I can muster from it. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. Should beef it up quite a bit without making it muddy... we'll see...
okay, without MAJOR tweaking, this may not be able to be saved. Nonetheless, one of my top 5. That high end is killing me though.
On the making love demos to various bootleg recordings you here longer versions of songs like ever since my accident, my small % shows most, revulsion. Why did Buzz cut the songs shorter for the Ozma recording? Was he trying to make it more "punk" by having shorter songs? I don't know?
Any thoughts?
I think it works that way. The only song that I think could've been longer is "My Small % Shows Most", because it sounds better with the extra line.
Agreed with the small % comment. I like the second verse on repulsion though. Seems to make that song endless too. The longer version of accident does drag. Making it concise was an improvement. I just find it interesting that buzz would dice his songs up. Vile vermillion is another example. But some pretty drastic changes were made on that one.
Well yeah, the old version of V.V.V. had way more going on... I think the shortness of the songs on the actual album add sort of an artistic tension... nothing lags on for too long and it challenges the idea that a slow song = long song, and Ozma is one of the weirdest (for the era) and least repetitive Melvins albums they did. Though the only other version of "Ever Since My Accident" I've heard is super fucking fast and only 45 seconds long, so the Ozma version is WAY slower... though I'm not even sure if it actually is the same song.
I've come to the conclusion that "Kool Legged" is a song about teenage masturbation. Who's with me?
Am I to believe that "Let God be your gardener" is about Heroin?
is this correct?
Anyone else catch that Dead Dressed kinda seems like an elderly man lost his wife in death and wears her skin to feel better?
That is most fucked up, I like it.
I dunno if I could even consider that kind of musical subject matter.
Quote from: Luciditypro on February 17, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
Anyone else catch that Dead Dressed kinda seems like an elderly man lost his wife in death and wears her skin to feel better?
That's creepy :shock:
The Melvins lyrics have always been a huge source of enjoyment and even some inspiration for me. I like to try and pick out what it may be about. I mean, no one really knows but Buzz himself, or it may not mean anything, but I quite enjoy the meanings I put to the lyrics. :)
Popped in Ozma for the ride home from work tonight. I started messing with the bass and treble and discovered something...it sounds best with the bass turned almost all the way up and treble a little over mid range. I've never been very happy with the way this album sounds but doing this helps.
The trebly sound is good. It makes it different from GPT, which I imagine was the point.
who's dick does Dc have to suck to get me a copy of the drum track only for OZMA?
Quote from: glen on July 18, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
who's dick does Dc have to suck to get me a copy of the drum track only for OZMA?
Either Dale's, Buzz's or Mark's. Unless anyone on here has access to the original recording :lol:
Also, why do you need that? If you don't mind me asking
Quote from: glen on July 18, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
who's dick does Dc have to suck to get me a copy of the drum track only for OZMA?
I want all the albums of just Dale. Why? To hear the master at work. And piss off my neighbors who blast their mexi-polka everyday.
this Frankenstein of a thread is going to be 10 years old in a few months.
so I got a hold of this album last year and have been listening to it on and off since then. it's definitely taken some time for it to sink in for me. not that I didn't like it -I did- but unlike an album like GPT, it just didn't totally click with me upon the first few listens. the last several listens did the trick though. a lot of times he best albums take some getting used to.
glen is right, Dale KILLS it on this album, but he's not the only one. but yeah, what Dale does on this album is really fantastic.
I think everything about this album is just about perfect, save the production, and I think I might actually be coming around on that point as well... the songs are great! the band kills it. Buzz's vocals are really cool. the lyrics are outstanding. the song lengths are perfect (I just typed out dong lengths by mistake before I noticed :lol:). the album cover is fantastic.
great fucking album!
I was wondering what I would have thought of this album if I had gotten it when it was released. I would still have been in high school. I think I would have been very interested in what I was hearing, but also a little freaked out. would have been a good combo.
it would have been interesting to have been exposed to Melvins at that age. but im enjoying coming at it from this age as well. definitely a different perspective. but being able to "discover" this album for myself at this point in my life is pretty great.
Quote from: Hot Pants on April 28, 2013, 05:06:11 AM
great fucking album!
I was wondering what I would have thought of this album if I had gotten it when it was released. I would still have been in high school. I think I would have been very interested in what I was hearing, but also a little freaked out. would have been a good combo.
it would have been interesting to have been exposed to Melvins at that age. but im enjoying coming at it from this age as well. definitely a different perspective. but being able to "discover" this album for myself at this point in my life is pretty great.
Very good point. In fact I did have this album in high school and in retrospect I was too young to fully appreciate it at the time, not like I do now. I still listened to it a lot. The standout album for me back then was Houdini. I remember being blown away by that one. I think the material was much easier for me to digest at the time.
I was in high school also the first time I heard Ozma. I really liked it, but I was also into Syd Barrett, jazz, Ween... a lot of stuff that most people weren't into at the time.
My best friend (who also was a musician) and I thought the time changes and rhythm changes were ridiculous, but very creative. We cranked it in the school parking lot after classes and got strange looks. And more than one redneck told us to 'shut that shit off!'.
Fuck you redneck, the Melvins are still great and you probably still suck.
Quote from: mhelmo on May 31, 2013, 08:39:48 AM
I was in high school also the first time I heard Ozma. I really liked it, but I was also into Syd Barrett, jazz, Ween... a lot of stuff that most people weren't into at the time.
My best friend (who also was a musician) and I thought the time changes and rhythm changes were ridiculous, but very creative. We cranked it in the school parking lot after classes and got strange looks. And more than one redneck told us to 'shut that shit off!'.
Fuck you redneck, the Melvins are still great and you probably still suck.
You did better than me at School. I remember being forced to listen to St Anger in the carpark at College.
love thing... for 10 hours
I agree the quality is bogus haha live versions sound better haha but the material is actually some of my favorite. let god be your gardener is nuts!
I look at the back cover, and I can't even begin to comprehend which tracks are which. Very disorienting. I'll have to get the track order on this site, or somewhere, to figure this out. Then I'll write them on a post-it & slap that on the back of the jewel case. As for the music, this is an amazing album. I never got around to buying half of the material from before Bullhead, because I thought Bullhead was such a clunker.
Quote from: meezer on February 13, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
I never got around to buying half of the material from before Bullhead, because I thought Bullhead was such a clunker.
whoa.
Quote from: Hot Pants on March 13, 2014, 06:09:32 AM
Quote from: meezer on February 13, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
I never got around to buying half of the material from before Bullhead, because I thought Bullhead was such a clunker.
whoa.
Allow me to explain. I started listening to the Melvins in '94. I found their new music to be very exciting. It had a metallic sheen to the guitar tone, tons of riffage, slick production, slick graphics. Then I would go see them and they would play stuff from Bullhead, it would make me yawn. It was like getting off a locomotive and climbing onto one of those little carts that you have to manually drive down the tracks. I bought Bullhead, Lysol and the Solo Albums in '99, and made a tape of them. I tried and tried to get into that stuff. I liked it, but just nowhere near Houdini and what came after. Then last summer, I saw them play stuff from Lysol on the 30th Anniversary Tour. I immediately listened to that tape. Aha! Now I get it! But I think I could have gotten into Ozma way quicker back then. Just didn't happen to buy it.
Quote from: meezer on March 13, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
Quote from: Hot Pants on March 13, 2014, 06:09:32 AM
Quote from: meezer on February 13, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
I never got around to buying half of the material from before Bullhead, because I thought Bullhead was such a clunker.
whoa.
Allow me to explain. I started listening to the Melvins in '94. I found their new music to be very exciting. It had a metallic sheen to the guitar tone, tons of riffage, slick production, slick graphics. Then I would go see them and they would play stuff from Bullhead, it would make me yawn. It was like getting off a locomotive and climbing onto one of those little carts that you have to manually drive down the tracks. I bought Bullhead, Lysol and the Solo Albums in '99, and made a tape of them. I tried and tried to get into that stuff. I liked it, but just nowhere near Houdini and what came after. Then last summer, I saw them play stuff from Lysol on the 30th Anniversary Tour. I immediately listened to that tape. Aha! Now I get it! But I think I could have gotten into Ozma way quicker back then. Just didn't happen to buy it.
i can totally understand you.
i think this is one of the things that makes the melvins so special. they have released a ton of material and there are countless ways for the fans to get into music from the different stages of their career. not everybody here can be a fan from the very beginnings on... because only few were really there when it happened.
however if you stick around the melvins long enough and invest your time to listen to their work you will pretty likely end up loving literally everything they have released. because nothing of it is even close to "bad" music... the greatest band in the history of rock!
I had the GPT-OZMA two in one CD with the ozma Cover and always thought of OZMA as the Lead up to GPT. Of course that was backwards but the two albums go hand in hand.
OZMA is the Bridge between GPT and BULLHEAD!
The OZMA Production compared to GPT sounds more *Dated* than GPT because its got that Unmistakable 80s Compression Gate that really Smooths over the EQ, While GPT was Just Lo Budget Cut and Dry it sounds a lot more Gritty of a Record.
To me, Ozma is too Crisp, or Brittle sounding On CD, Cassette and Vinyl Brings out the Kick drum and the lower End and the high Frequency roll off Helps in my oppinion, Warms up the Tinny Nasaly quality of the EQ a bit better than CD.Since Ozma was a VERY compressed analog Recording it naturally sounds fine on Tape (you can hear Tape White noise SSS on the CD if you listen for it, theres enough quiet passages and breaks to catch it)GPT still sounds like It was recorded Two Days ago on any Format. Despite Boner not having the $$$ to Encode the Commercial cassettes with Dolby NR I think the Cassette aspect is missing a lot of Dimension that is CRITICAL to the overall Effect of the sound being Driven which the CD master Definetly picks up on more critically.
Its important to keep in mind that Lorax was in CLown Alley and if you dont know that material youre sort of missing a lot of the picture.
It was like Melvins Integrated their Style with the Clown Alley Crossover thrash and it was mutated into a broken apart De-evolved Thrash style with the heavy and slow Stoner Sabbath Oldschool Melvins GPT style.
Its BEAUTIFUL, OVEN!!!
Try again if you dont *get it!!!!* you have to listen to where they ARENT playing!
Oven Is slow motion Thrash metal, Its fucking genius!
Anyway Ozma Is an acid-washed Flawlessly Blended Crossover Between Sludge Metal and Thrash, yet Punk, Yet still retains a style and Energy that is unique and distincly original. Ozma Is Very much a standalone album. You could produce and record it a thousand different ways and the material itself Would still remain intact and Tight.
The intensity truly is the Lyrics and Vocals though, I think there was a lot of debate and style change in the band going on if you listen to the Making love demos and compare the vocal tracks to the ones on Ozma. So I think they were shifting gears and Changing things around in a very short period of time.
By the time Bullhead comes onto the Scene they had more what they were probly Trying to Aim for with Ozma.
Great analysis DD.
The drums are a major part of that album. The intro to agonizer comes to mind. And Kool Legged. At a crawl too. Although the hi hat/ crash cymbals have too much of a (for lack of better descriptive words) "SssSsSSss" sound throughout. But the songs are some of my all time favorite Buzz has written.
If you don't "get" Ozma, you don't get the melvins. Or at least early melvins.
Another VERY overlooked aspect of this album is its Co-efficiancy and Mastering Level.
The Actual Sound Level being recorded needs to then play back at equal volume incraments to the original source, basically giving a 1:1 aural Aspect Ratio
Of course the co-efficiancy has been dramatically altered due to the production demands of More Compression.
This album pre-Dates the *LOUDNESS WAR* Either that or no one thought it would deserve to have that kind of trending clout and just said fuck it, these guys are Melvins.
On Cassette My Volume unit meters are Kicking WELL below the 0Db mark, nowadays this album would *SOUND* a Million times louder at ANY volume because the guy in the mastering booth is following the *Loud Equals BETTER* ideology being practiced in the control booths, Its a DICK measuring contest..so be thankfull this album has some CRANK to it.
since I dont know the particular ramafacations behind the final Product, I cant accurately portray a more detailed analasis of why the volume is so low on the Tape cassette. MY speculation tells me that OZMA is so COMPRESSED sounding because there was some kind of issue with the Recording Levels that were overlooked until after the deed was done, and the Compression was the only Quick Fix at the time, and therefore the Cassette Master level has been overall lowered to give the impression of more headroom on the recording to compensate for a completely Flat and Water-tight compression gate.
What he said.
Quote from: Dumpster D on March 14, 2014, 01:54:05 AM
The Actual Sound Level being recorded needs to then play back at equal volume incraments to the original source, basically giving a 1:1 aural Aspect Ratio
Are you on one of my Vanilla Fudge LPs?
Ozma is very sick. love it though the production is off. too much gated drums and buried guitars.
its one of their best. no doubt.
It's a minor thing but I just now found out the vinyl and cassette booklets have lyrics printed for a bunch of the songs.
I can't think of many other Melvins releases that do this (Houdini with Hooch, POTRE and (A)SA with snippets of lyrics).
EXIS PAR EXIS TONE has always been a personal favorite lyric.
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on February 07, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
It's a minor thing but I just now found out the vinyl and cassette booklets have lyrics printed for a bunch of the songs.
I can't think of many other Melvins releases that do this (Houdini with Hooch, POTRE and (A)SA with snippets of lyrics).
yeah,that's true
The CD of Ozma/GPT has them too.
didn't notice the Creepy Smell drum intro is taken from that Gene Simmons' song Living in Sin..
Quote from: black stallion on July 23, 2017, 07:16:02 AM
didn't notice the Creepy Smell drum intro is taken from that Gene Simmons' song Living in Sin..
Whispered lyrics too.
I don't mind the production at all. In fact, when I was just getting into The Melvins, Ozma was my favorite album.
Can the poll be reopened?
Quote from: lust on November 01, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
I don't mind the production at all. In fact, when I was just getting into The Melvins, Ozma was my favorite album.
Same with me
it sounds dumb but it also sounds rad at the same time and the songs slay and own i give it an A for all right ty and good nighht
In the song Revulsion/We Reach, that long pounding/fuzzed part in the middle of the song, is still one of my favorite Melvins moment in all their carreer. It is what got me hooked on the Melvins
I would pay big money just to hear a new version of it.
Is "Candy O" missing from all streaming services or just Amazon?
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on October 06, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
Is "Candy O" missing from all streaming services or just Amazon?
Tidal and Spotify have it
About the CD: so there's the edition that says "Made In U.S.A." and "Made By Disctronics," and the other that says "Made In Canada" and "Made by Disque Americ" on it. Does anyone know which is the first pressing of the US CD?
Quote from: caniaskaboutozma on April 17, 2022, 01:54:28 PM
About the CD: so there's the edition that says "Made In U.S.A." and "Made By Disctronics," and the other that says "Made In Canada" and "Made by Disque Americ" on it. Does anyone know which is the first pressing of the US CD?
asked this and then dipped. :lol:
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