taken from the toolband website updates:
I've already mentioned, the NOLA show was great. Danny and Justin's ladies had flown in, so the FOH was well stocked with Stellas. Although Buzz (Melvins) had decided not to join in on a song (telling me that the band would sound just fine without him), he did share some rather humorous stories backstage. One of them was how Adam, tour manager, Mary Jo, and he had been invited to ride along on patrol with a Texas Ranger in Austin, and were later taken to a certain location (I think it's called Texas) where they could fire a plethora of weapons... and shoot to their hearts' content. They even got to experience the lawman 'light-up' someone, but, unfortunately, this wasn't a Tool enthusiast. I told Buzz that, while this was pretty cool, when I was in Houston, an astronaut with NASA who liked my newsletters asked Laralee and I if we wanted to go for a ride on the next space-shuttle launch and watch them perform middle school-level experiments while orbiting the earth. Before he could respond, a couple of female Melvins fans were escorted into Adam's dressing room with hopes of getting a photo taken with him (Buzz). Adam was all smiles, telling them how, when hanging out with Buzz, kids were always coming up to him (Buzz), some even wearing Tool shirts, wanting his autograph, but not aware of who he (Adam) was. Knowing that Adam (not Buzz) was waiting for a couple of bottles of "Lucid" to arrive, I decided to hang around a bit longer. Hell, a shot of "Lucid" and box of Triskets and you've got a party. But the bottle never arrived, so I moved on to greener pastures (Actually I was glad it didn't show up, because I was going to be viewing fractal geometry on Breck's laptop later on the bumpy bus.)
Glen visits toolband.com! :lol:
(I just assume it is dot com)
Quote from: norecess on December 12, 2007, 09:43:27 AM
Glen visits toolband.com! :lol:
(I just assume it is dot com)
8-[
( :lol:)
I knew that was coming. believe me, I still think tool sucks. never spent a nickle on the overrated losers.
but somehow MELVINS and/or Buzz Osborne pops up on their updates 2 or 3 times a month. its a better place to get MELVINS information than most MELVINS websites. except this one of course.
buzz loves tool
Who's tool?
its a love-fest between adam and buzz, i think they shared the same real estate agent
(http://thesickos.free.fr/BADD.jpg)
Funny how Adam Jones says nobody recognises him. In the Melvins show at Cherry Bar in Melbourne 4-5 years ago I was standing next to this dude asking if he had a lighter (to light a joint) and he didn't . I only realised it was Adam when a couple of drunk idiots started harassing him...
Quote from: Michael Jordan on December 13, 2007, 03:01:16 AM
Funny how Adam Jones says nobody recognises him. In the Melvins show at Cherry Bar in Melbourne 4-5 years ago I was standing next to this dude asking if he had a lighter (to light a joint) and he didn't . I only realised it was Adam when a couple of drunk idiots started harassing him...
haha, thats funny
id recognize him, i think the mans a genius
i actually got into the melvins through tool. i first checked out 'divorced' in like 8th grade, and at some point heard 'honey bucket', but never really got into the melvins until watching several videos of tool's 1998 tour where buzz used to come out for a few songs each night (stinkfist, you lied, stranglehold, no quarter). this was about mid-high school, and after that i grabbed some shitty torrent with all the main melvins albums, and three years later i own the majority of their albums on vinyl and cd.
I think most of the tool hatred should be directed towards their doucharmy. I'm not big on tool anymore but goddamn they put on a good show in montreal. Besides, undertow, aenema, lateralus and 10,000 days are filled with gems.
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
its overly technical and void of any personality.
!
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
You get NOTHING from Aenima or Undertow? :shock:
I guess it all started way back when.
I was listening to danzig, butthole surfers, melvins, jesus lizard, black flag, etc. but the one crucial component was that the band HAD to have a pedigree.
I used to get all kinds of promo packs from caroline records, metal blade records, alt. tentacles, etc.
one day I get this promo pack for this band called tool. it was about the same time opiate was released.
the promo pack, which included a press photo, talked up this band like they had a pedigree a mile long. like this WAS the band of the future and commanded respect. (which is exactly what happened) and blah, blah, blah with the maynard james keenan being some kinda musical mastermind. but to me I was like "who the fuck are they? never heard of 'em." then I popped in opiate, which came free with the pack. I got about a half song in and had enough.
it was rock. not even nasty or evil rock. just rock. I was looking for something grittier. something with an edge.
to me tool had no edge at all.
pretty soon tool was everywhere. so I gave them a try, and another try. I even borrowed aenima from my brother one time when I was desperate for some new music. again, I got about 2 songs in maybe.
in short: no. I get nothing from any of their music. except maybe a headache when I hear every gay-ass bar band I know play prison sex right after rage against the machine's "bomb track" and right before STP's "flies in the vasoline".
which, by the way, is another classic example of a band with no pedigree being pushed HARD by their label.
(at the time)
^hombre loco :?
Aeinima is one of the best albums ever released in the history of the world
of course so is most of the Melvins catalog
i'm kind of in the same boat as glen. i first saw tool at lollapalooza '93 and they were quite good. really intense and in your face. friends of mine bought undertow and i liked a few songs here and there, but overall it didn't move me. i bought opiate because it was cheap and i had the same response. there's just something lacking overall and like glen, i feel it's lack of heft in the music. after dropping big bucks seeing BB open for them this year, their live show confirmed that belief. i've wanted to give them a chance, though. and yes, their "army" of fans are a bunch of knobs...
Their live shows lack intensity.
but the light show man!! and the visuals dood! :P
Adam Jones was at the Fantomas show in Brisbane. I just bought a beer and saw this dude by himself near the bar. I thought "he looks familiar" but never paid much attention. He happened to be standing behind me a little bit later and I asked if I was blocking his view (because I'm pretty tall), I noticed he had an American accent when he said "no its alright" Still just thought he looks like someone I've seen before. It wasn't until a few days later seeing a picture of Tool and then realising where I saw that guys face before. Thought it was pretty cool but didn't care too much I didn't strike up a conversation when I had the chance.
I've been heavily into The Melvins forever, but I swear the first time I heard Stinkfist, which was live before Aenima was released, I thought for sure these guys must really like The Melvins. Maybe it was just the structure of that song more than anything else, but I saw a connection there somehow.
Quote from: PAUL on December 13, 2007, 06:35:28 PM
Their live shows lack intensity.
Several of the dates of the most recent tour have yes, the Lateralus tour they were still mixing up the setlist and showed a lot of energy throughout a majority of their live shows this period (I've got nearly 110 Tool DVDs, and the majority are from 2001-2002). But every show I have before the Lateralus tour they were amazing each night. I mean like every show I've gotten to listen to and see up to the Coachella '99 show was as energetic and engaging as nearly any band I've ever seen. The 1998 tour was my favorite, with Buzz coming out each night to do covers and varied setlists each date, also the Melvins opening each night must have been nice. But my point is that for a long time they were very intense and its just recently that they have gotten a little old, and though I think their material has actually gotten better their performances do lack a bit of energy now. They still put on a damn good show each night, I've listened to a good majority of this and last years dates that have been recorded.
They are the AC/DC of alt-metal.
Quote from: Mr. Nightmare on December 14, 2007, 03:03:40 PM
They are the AC/DC of alt-metal.
i have mixed feelings about that
TOOL are brilliant...one of the top 10 all-time bands. I always find it interesting that the greatest bands can be hated by some.....Patton and Justin Chancellor hate the masters of the masters,
The Beatles.
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
Who goes there? Identify yourself!
Quote from: heavyR on December 14, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: PAUL on December 13, 2007, 06:35:28 PM
Their live shows lack intensity.
Several of the dates of the most recent tour have yes, the Lateralus tour they were still mixing up the setlist and showed a lot of energy throughout a majority of their live shows this period (I've got nearly 110 Tool DVDs, and the majority are from 2001-2002). But every show I have before the Lateralus tour they were amazing each night. I mean like every show I've gotten to listen to and see up to the Coachella '99 show was as energetic and engaging as nearly any band I've ever seen. The 1998 tour was my favorite, with Buzz coming out each night to do covers and varied setlists each date, also the Melvins opening each night must have been nice. But my point is that for a long time they were very intense and its just recently that they have gotten a little old, and though I think their material has actually gotten better their performances do lack a bit of energy now. They still put on a damn good show each night, I've listened to a good majority of this and last years dates that have been recorded.
the only reason i put tool up higher on the scale than Melvins (only 1 spot down on my little favorite scale) is because ive like them longer, plain and simple, i had my first tool experience when i was 8, i used to hang out with this year 16 year old girl, we would sit in my grandmas front yard and talk, and her topic of choice was ALWAYS tool.
Geddy and Alex of RUSH like Melvins and TOOL...I know this for a fact...have you heard Victor ?
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 14, 2007, 11:26:51 PM
TOOL are brilliant...one of the top 10 all-time bands. I always find it interesting that the greatest bands can be hated by some.....Patton and Justin Chancellor hate the masters of the masters, The Beatles.
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
How would you rate the last two Tool albums? (In comparison to Aenima and Undertow?)
p.s. Patton also hates Wolfmother! :shock:
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 14, 2007, 11:51:22 PM
Geddy and Alex of RUSH like Melvins and TOOL...I know this for a fact...have you heard Victor ?
in the Rebel vs Rebel featuring tool and isis, adam talks about alex coming back stage and telling him he had been listening to their albums.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on December 15, 2007, 12:03:23 AM
How would you rate the last two Tool albums? (In comparison to Aenima and Undertow?)
aenima/undertow* > lateralus/10,000 days
undertow is underated
Quote from: ManWithNoName on December 15, 2007, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on December 15, 2007, 12:03:23 AM
How would you rate the last two Tool albums? (In comparison to Aenima and Undertow?)
aenima/undertow* > lateralus/10,000 days
undertow is underated
I didn't even know other people who liked Tool thought like that! I've been saying it for years...
All 4 records are classic albums with identities all their own. The time between them helps make them sufficiently disparate.
TOOL is one of the top 7 bands ever...I consider The Beatles, The Who, Stones, Melvins, Nirvana, Rush and TOOL in the group.
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 15, 2007, 10:56:43 PM
All 4 records are classic albums with identities all their own. The time between them helps make them sufficiently disparate.
TOOL is one of the top 7 bands ever...I consider The Beatles, The Who, Stones, Melvins, Nirvana, Rush and TOOL in the group.
I'm not so sure about Rush.. :?.. but Aenima and Undertow are unbelievably great albums. I wonder what Maynard & the band think about the elaborate theories devoted to their lyrics (re: the fibonacci sequence, lyrics, etc..)..meaning, is it a great coincidence? Am I making sense?
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 14, 2007, 11:29:21 PM
Who goes there? Identify yourself!
Quote from: heavyR on December 14, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: PAUL on December 13, 2007, 06:35:28 PM
Their live shows lack intensity.
Several of the dates of the most recent tour have yes, the Lateralus tour they were still mixing up the setlist and showed a lot of energy throughout a majority of their live shows this period (I've got nearly 110 Tool DVDs, and the majority are from 2001-2002). But every show I have before the Lateralus tour they were amazing each night. I mean like every show I've gotten to listen to and see up to the Coachella '99 show was as energetic and engaging as nearly any band I've ever seen. The 1998 tour was my favorite, with Buzz coming out each night to do covers and varied setlists each date, also the Melvins opening each night must have been nice. But my point is that for a long time they were very intense and its just recently that they have gotten a little old, and though I think their material has actually gotten better their performances do lack a bit of energy now. They still put on a damn good show each night, I've listened to a good majority of this and last years dates that have been recorded.
What do you mean identify yourself, I'm heavyR. http://tooldriveproject.net/tree.html <--- thats why I've seen a good amount of tool dvds. wish there was something like this for the melvins, you know some of us could get together some cash for extra externals and just share what we all have.
The thing I respect about Tool is similar to what I respect about the Melvins... that they've maintained artistic control of their imagry, presentation, and music for the duration of the life of their band. Tool even wrested a bigger chunk of money (50% of the take) after suing their label for breach of contract. The number of artists that stood up to the majors in their prime like that and came out on top (without filing for bankruptcy) can probably be counted on one hand.
Many of their fans, however, are some of the worst music fans on the planet. Violent, beligerent morons. They tried to boo Buzz off the stage at the Paladium in LA when I saw them play together back in like 96 or 97. Buzz played one song, then hit an atonal guitar chord and held it for something like 15 or 20 minutes straight... just sticking it to those fuckers without so much as a flinch before eventually leaving the stage. I respected them a lot for doing that instead of buckling and trying to play a set just because Tool were their friends. The bulk of that audience deserved to be napalmed. When I saw Tool in SLC, Keenan threatened to shut down the show when the fans in front of Jones started ripping out folding chairs in the GA section and tossing them over their heads.
That said, I have hipster friends who use that as their entire basis for not liking Tool, which isn't exactly fair. Kind of revealing, though, of why people get into certain bands. Street cred, pedigree, style and physical beauty carry a lot of weight. Indie/ironic/DIY aesthetic now means more than sound, which is bullshit.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on December 15, 2007, 12:03:23 AM
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 14, 2007, 11:26:51 PM
TOOL are brilliant...one of the top 10 all-time bands. I always find it interesting that the greatest bands can be hated by some.....Patton and Justin Chancellor hate the masters of the masters, The Beatles.
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
How would you rate the last two Tool albums? (In comparison to Aenima and Undertow?)
p.s. Patton also hates Wolfmother! :shock:
Yeah buts thats because Wolfmother are shit. The Beatles are a bunch of knob head scouse twats.
Before 10,000 days came out does anyone remember when tool said Maynard had left because he found Jesus?
I remember thinking GOOD now the rest of them can join the Melvin's.
Now that would of been good, Danny and Dale on drums Justin on bass Buzz and Adam on guitar.
We wouldn't of had to suffer half of 10,000 days.
Quote from: moorst on December 25, 2007, 03:27:47 PM
That said, I have hipster friends who use that as their entire basis for not liking Tool, which isn't exactly fair. Kind of revealing, though, of why people get into certain bands. Street cred, pedigree, style and physical beauty carry a lot of weight. Indie/ironic/DIY aesthetic now means more than sound, which is bullshit.
agreed
Quote from: jaymz on January 10, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
I remember thinking GOOD now the rest of them can join the Melvin's.
Now that would of been good, Danny and Dale on drums Justin on bass Buzz and Adam on guitar.
We wouldn't of had to suffer half of 10,000 days.
wha??
don't even think of such things.
I still think divorced is the best song on crybaby.
I like Mine Is No Disgrace better, but anyway.
I think Tool and Melvins are two totally different things. Don't forget where the Melvins are coming from, bunch of misfits from Aberdeen growing up surrounded by small minded rednecks and other conservative pricks, right? According to Buzz, it was hell. This must have been a major influence on them, and woke the Neanderthal inside of them. And it still shows. Buzz has said this once, that Melvins is his 'neanderthal' outlet, or something among those lines. So blaming Tool for not being heavy or noisy enough is a non valid criterium to me. Not even all Melvins fans like the Melvins because of that, each has his/her own reasons.
Ok, back to work.
Quote from: glen on December 13, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
I've tried. and tried.
it just doesn't happen for me.
I hate to pick on such a close friend to Buzz but there is no crunch in the guitars what-so-ever.
its overly technical and void of any personality.
in my opinion.
download "rosetta stoned" by tool.
its kind of a long song, but it's worth it.
When i listened to tool i listened to korn and static x, system of a down, and all those really terrible nu metal bands.
That was when i was in grade 9... im 20 now.
eventually i got into better music... and then even better... and then finally really good music by talented artists.
not to say tool is not talented... their drummer is amazing... as far as technicality goes... i guess that goes for all the band members.
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 15, 2007, 10:56:43 PM
All 4 records are classic albums with identities all their own. The time between them helps make them sufficiently disparate.
TOOL is one of the top 7 bands ever...I consider The Beatles, The Who, Stones, Melvins, Nirvana, Rush and TOOL in the group.
what about black sabbath & zeppelin
and floyd?
lmao
yeah seriously pink floyd should be top 5....and dont get me wrong, i love rush....but why are they in your "top 7"? sorry to sound like a whiny bitch
I hate Tool...so I never bother going on toolband.com.
"][" ([]) ([]) ][_ RULES!!!!
But on another level.
Funny, cuz Im drinking Lucid right now! its actually pretty cool. You all need to go out and buy a few bottles and find some slutty 20 year olds - stat!
/ TOOL is pretty over-rated. APC is waaaaay better
Quote from: Живојиновић on December 15, 2007, 10:56:43 PM
All 4 records are classic albums with identities all their own. The time between them helps make them sufficiently disparate.
TOOL is one of the top 7 bands ever...I consider The Beatles, The Who, Stones, Melvins, Nirvana, Rush and TOOL in the group.
your putting nirvana and tool in this group? you didnt even consider bands like sonic youth or big black or CAN even?! not even can????
Can was decades ahead of their time. i guess we all have a different top 7 in all our little melvins loving hearts
You are excrement
You can change yourself into gold
CAN ??
QuoteTOOL is one of the top 7 bands ever...I consider The Beatles, The Who, Stones, Melvins, Nirvana, Rush and TOOL in the group.
Melvins are the only group on that list that might make my top 7.
Beatles = suck
Who = indifferent
Stones = suck
Nirvana = somewhat ok to very good
Rush = never liked 'em
Tool = ok in my book, but nothing special