But since then,it's all downhill. That's what I hear, with my rabbit ears.
This has always confounded me.
I've grown to love, like, or accept lots of Melvins material from before Houdini,
but I keep reading stuff that people post about how the Melvins
Need to fire Big Biz and rehire Joe Preston.
Or they were much better on Eggnog (yes, Hank Rollins, Nutmeg!).
Or that Gluey Porch Treatments is as good as they'll ever get.
Then there's Bullhead. That's a whole other chapter.
Ad nauseam.........
So, am I crazy?
Is it okay to think that Houdini-forward is the better half of the catalogue?
Is it alright if my top five list contains Freak Puke, Nude With Boots,
The Maggot, Stag and Houdini (at this time)?
Am I not a real Melvins fan?
If that makes you crazy I'd have to be batshit insane since I think there's Melvins albums before and after 1993 that I'd consider "the best". I'd be putting Tres Cabrones, Everybody Loves Sausages and Senile Animal in just as high regard as Gluey Porch Treatments, Lysol and Bullhead
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on August 12, 2014, 11:47:49 AM
If that makes you crazy I'd have to be batshit insane since I think there's Melvins albums before and after 1993 that I'd consider "the best". I'd be putting Tres Cabrones, Everybody Loves Sausages and Senile Animal in just as high regard as Gluey Porch Treatments, Lysol and Bullhead
Let's not get crazy. :P
Beloved here,
As is usually the case with text, (it being uncoupled with inflection, emotion, etc.) my comments were most likely taken out of context. My remarks about those songs being crap was pure jest (skin horse and the fool are 2 of my fav's. Undoubtedly great songs.), save colossus of destiny which could be considered by some to be total crap, hence the D'oh! Emoticon.
I thought the sarcasm was apparent. Maybe it was and the Meez has zero understanding of sarcasm and should be publicly humiliated for such offence.
Beloved out.
It's all gravy :)
Dude pre 93 sounds like the garbage me and my old band would just improvize on
and don't hide it homeless dad those songs are crap!
I'd say '94 afterword is the best melvins
golden era is 96-99
It's all about context and nostalgia (when you got into them). I love everything they've done but the first albums that pop into my head when someone says MELVINS are Ozma, Bullhead and then Houdini as it was the first new full-length of theirs that I remember making sure I picked up the day it came out.
I treat about every 4-5 years as a new chapter in my Melvins experience and even though there are periods that stick out a little more than others, I wouldn't trade any of it.
Quote from: Satchel Paige on August 12, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Dude pre 93 sounds like the garbage me and my old band would just improvize on
and don't hide it homeless dad those songs are crap!
I'd say '94 afterword is the best melvins
golden era is 96-99
I've nothing to hide.
I couldn't disagree with you more, dude.
Sorry, Satchel. You're way on your own.
As you can tell Meez there is no singular era that appeals to the fans. Just depends on who you talk to.
One of the reasons I love the Melvins is they keep evolving and don't put out the same records over and over.
They could have easily rested on their laurels and put out 18 Bullhead like records.
In fact, if pressed, it would be hard to think of two records they've done that sound the most similar...maybe Bride Screamed Murder and Nude with Boots?
Golden Era: 1983-20XX
There are Melvins albums I listen to less than others, and one I don't listen to at all, but I wouldn't say I think any particular era is any better or worse than the others.
Sorry HD. I get your humor, just fine. I guess I was just rollin' with it.
I was just pointing out a trend that I had noticed.
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Quote from: Satchel Paige on August 12, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Dude pre 93 sounds like the garbage me and my old band would just improvize on
and don't hide it homeless dad those songs are crap!
I'd say '94 afterword is the best melvins
golden era is 96-99
I've nothing to hide.
I couldn't disagree with you more, dude.
Sorry, Satchel. You're way on your own.
seems like your sarcasmic mechanism is broken...wah wah wah
Quote from: deatheats on August 12, 2014, 07:10:14 PM
In fact, if pressed, it would be hard to think of two records they've done that sound the most similar...maybe Bride Screamed Murder and Nude with Boots?
Good point.
I know Buzz has said they don't have any sister bands, but I've always felt like the albums have sisters. Not identical, same genes, but with different attitudes
Quote from: Satchel Paige on August 13, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
Quote from: homeless_dad on August 12, 2014, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: Satchel Paige on August 12, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Dude pre 93 sounds like the garbage me and my old band would just improvize on
and don't hide it homeless dad those songs are crap!
I'd say '94 afterword is the best melvins
golden era is 96-99
I've nothing to hide.
I couldn't disagree with you more, dude.
Sorry, Satchel. You're way on your own.
seems like your sarcasmic mechanism is broken...wah wah wah
Zing!
Professor Frink should have it up and running with the lights and the buzzers and the MOYVEN GLAVEN!!
Not likely
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sacr6_2737.jpg)
:lol: =D>
:lol: :lol:
Looks like dc's bukaki avatar bites the dust! [-( [-X #-o
Back to the topic. Your thoughts, metalhead. Uh cow. Sir? :lol:
Coady has retroactively ruined the band.
how so? are you implying if it was just Dale, Buzz and Jared as a trio it would have been
superior????? I consider (A) Senile Animal as perfection of the four piece era of the Melv's
Quote from: meezer on August 13, 2014, 06:37:10 PM
Looks like dc's bukaki avatar bites the dust! [-( [-X #-o
Back to the topic. Your thoughts, metalhead. Uh cow. Sir? :lol:
Gluey Porch Treatments and Bullhead are two of my favorite albums, certainly. The Bride Screamed Murder, Tres Cabrones, and This Machine Kills Artists are modern favorites of mine. I don't think the band had a peak, and I don't think any particular time period stands out as the best period for the band. I think they've consistently put out great material since their formation, and it's been really fun to watch the band's musical evolution. That being said I'll probably always consider these three albums to be my favorites:
-Stoner Witch
-Stag
-Hostile Ambient Takeover
Bummed I missed DC's new avatar. :lol:
I bought a Walsby drawing last year of Coady as a dinosaur, causing havok and holding Buzz in his grip. The caption says, "Coady Wilis-He ruined the Melvins!" :lol: I mentioned that drawing to Walsby last month, and he talked about how that drawing was inspired by people complaining about Coady online.
i remember that one, he was Coadzilla!!
I would have bought that one, if I wasn't so broke.
The best of the best in my opinion is GPT, Ozma, Stag, HAT, and The Bootlicker.
Ozma, Bullhead and Eggnog rule!!!!!!
Quote from: anaconda on August 13, 2014, 09:20:23 PM
Ozma, Bullhead and Eggnog rule!!!!!!
Can't argue that one.
The thing about any band that's been around for 30 plus years is they tend to have the so called "era's" of developing their style etc. The thing about the Melvins and a lot of other bands with catalogues like theirs have era's that are very unique when compared against each other. Some people enjoy certain times more than others but all in all for me I just love the Melvins period. The first time I heard them was when I was 16 and it was GPT and Ozma on a dubbed cassette and then when Bullhead came out I bought it immediately and fell hard for 'em. Now I didn't get to see them until they opened for NIN in 94. Back then they were so menacing with their sound and when I saw them on the Stoner Witch tour I remember the only thing anyone said was "We don't do encores, so don't even try" at the end of the set and it was Dale. Since then they were always an enigma to me when I saw them live. They were mysterious and fucking dark and heavy, you know before you could see any video you wanted online all I knew of them was what I read which of course was mostly bullshit anyway. The first time I ever heard Buzz talk to the crowd was on the Bootlicker tour and that was the only time up until the Biz Boys joined. Now with the Biz it's a much more fun atmosphere at their shows and sorta the music too. I fucking love it! I really, really do, but, BUT! When I saw them do Houdini and Egg Nog/Lysol in SF with Trevor as a three piece it was fucking dark and scary and weird and fucked and I miss that element. Now on the same token when I saw them on the Bulls and the Bees and they did the whole ep in the set, that was amazing and it could've only been done by the Big Melvins.
Also Fartlips, c'mon...you're silly! Hung Bunny and Roman Dog Bird live with the double drums is pummeling. In other words, the BEST THAT SHIT HAS SOUNDED! :P
Yes, on all points!
Buzz is having more fun than ever and it is showing. :excited:
Quote from: deatheats on August 13, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
Buzz is having more fun than ever and it is showing. :excited:
Agreed. And he speaks his mind, even regarding sacred cows, like Nirvana.
You hear that, candyass Nirvana fans? Can you handle the truth? 8)
Quote from: meezer on August 13, 2014, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: deatheats on August 13, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
Buzz is having more fun than ever and it is showing. :excited:
Agreed. And he speaks his mind, even regarding sacred cows, like Nirvana.
You hear that, candyass Nirvana fans? Can you handle the truth? 8)
Bite me, Meez.
BTW, it's old news. He's been speaking his mind about Nirvana since the early 90's. Not much of a sacred cow, sir.
Nirvana is great but they're no Melvins, obviously.
Quote from: homeless_dad on August 13, 2014, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: meezer on August 13, 2014, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: deatheats on August 13, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
Buzz is having more fun than ever and it is showing. :excited:
Agreed. And he speaks his mind, even regarding sacred cows, like Nirvana.
You hear that, candyass Nirvana fans? Can you handle the truth? 8)
Bite me, Meez.
BTW, it's old news. He's been speaking his mind about Nirvana since the early 90's. Not much of a sacred cow, sir.
Nirvana is great but they're no Melvins, obviously.
Yes obvious to us. But any Nirvana fan rooting around a Melvins forum,
looking to get their butt sniffed...Hit the fuckin road, pal! :x
Quote from: FartLips on August 13, 2014, 07:19:21 PM
Coady has retroactively ruined the band.
Blasphemy! I tried to get nervous about it at first but there's not one bad thing about him.
Goddammitt! Did I miss someone hitting the sarcasm button.....?
Quote from: meezer on August 13, 2014, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: homeless_dad on August 13, 2014, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: meezer on August 13, 2014, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: deatheats on August 13, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
Buzz is having more fun than ever and it is showing. :excited:
Agreed. And he speaks his mind, even regarding sacred cows, like Nirvana.
You hear that, candyass Nirvana fans? Can you handle the truth? 8)
Bite me, Meez.
BTW, it's old news. He's been speaking his mind about Nirvana since the early 90's. Not much of a sacred cow, sir.
Nirvana is great but they're no Melvins, obviously.
Yes obvious to us. But any Nirvana fan rooting around a Melvins forum,
looking to get their butt sniffed...Hit the fuckin road, pal! :x
Schnab might be the only one looking to get his butt sniffed. Or worse. :shock:
what the fuck! hey look weezer! If you don't like bullhead you can suck me!
Quote from: vince furnier on August 14, 2014, 12:01:12 AM
what the fuck! hey look weezer! If you don't like bullhead you can suck me!
:lol: Who are you? I like that! Hey vince, join us over here\/
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=18089.msg505481#msg505481 (http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=18089.msg505481#msg505481)
QuoteWhen I saw them do Houdini and Egg Nog/Lysol in SF with Trevor as a three piece it was fucking dark and scary and weird and fucked
Those shows were fantastic.
Quote from: spunkmonkey on August 14, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
QuoteWhen I saw them do Houdini and Egg Nog/Lysol in SF with Trevor as a three piece it was fucking dark and scary and weird and fucked
Those shows were fantastic.
:( Can't believe I missed that tour.
Quote from: anaconda on August 13, 2014, 07:33:41 PM
how so? are you implying if it was just Dale, Buzz and Jared as a trio it would have been
superior????? I consider (A) Senile Animal as perfection of the four piece era of the Melv's
Doesn't anyone remember the joke or interview or whatever the hell it was that said Coady ruined the band?
I don't remember the context, but I'm pretty sure Farty is having fun with it.
Quote from: Captain Howdy on August 14, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Quote from: spunkmonkey on August 14, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
QuoteWhen I saw them do Houdini and Egg Nog/Lysol in SF with Trevor as a three piece it was fucking dark and scary and weird and fucked
Those shows were fantastic.
:( Can't believe I missed that tour.
it wasn't much of a tour. I think they only did LA and SF with that line up. The residency tour was with Big Melvins.
ha! they call that a tour? again, with no snakes, or dancers, or pyrotechnics!
Quote from: Bro Hammer on August 15, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: Captain Howdy on August 14, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Quote from: spunkmonkey on August 14, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
QuoteWhen I saw them do Houdini and Egg Nog/Lysol in SF with Trevor as a three piece it was fucking dark and scary and weird and fucked
Those shows were fantastic.
:( Can't believe I missed that tour.
it wasn't much of a tour. I think they only did LA and SF with that line up. The residency tour was with Big Melvins.
You're right. I was thinking of the Freak Puke tour. Can't believe I missed that one too. :(
Quote from: meezer on August 12, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
But since then,it's all downhill. That's what I hear, with my rabbit ears.
This has always confounded me.
I've grown to love, like, or accept lots of Melvins material from before Houdini,
but I keep reading stuff that people post about how the Melvins
Need to fire Big Biz and rehire Joe Preston.
Or they were much better on Eggnog (yes, Hank Rollins, Nutmeg!).
Or that Gluey Porch Treatments is as good as they'll ever get.
Then there's Bullhead. That's a whole other chapter.
Ad nauseam.........
So, am I crazy?
Is it okay to think that Houdini-forward is the better half of the catalogue?
Is it alright if my top five list contains Freak Puke, Nude With Boots,
The Maggot, Stag and Houdini (at this time)?
Am I not a real Melvins fan?
I wouldn't concern yourself with any of the above. Everyone has their favorite Melvins albums, favorite eras - no one is right / no one is wrong.
I seriously love Gluey Porch Treatments and the songs on Deep Six as those were the first Melvins recordings I ever had and I first saw them in 1987 and they blew my world wide open.
I also really love Lysol because it is the heaviest shit ever and there is a Flipper cover. I never saw the Preston lineup live and wish I could have.
I also really love Houdini because it is the first time the Melvins really embraced all of their styles in one album (heavy, slow, fast, simple straight ahead, totally fucked up, KISS cover) - I mean that is a seriously amazing album.
I really loved the Kevin era for the Melvins live. Kevin is so twisted and fucked up with his playing. I really loved the Mark D era for the Melvins live. Mark's playing is deep and full of knowledge. Big Biz lineup is not my favorite live, but I fucking love that lineup live more than most other bands in the world.
I think the Melvins are like Pizza. It's all good, some I like more than others. But even the worst pizza is better than no pizza at all and better than most foods! :)
I also love every other album and every other era. Those three kind of stand out as my favorites, but I don't think there is anything wrong with whatever anyone thinks their favorite albums / line ups are.
=D> KISS forum banned one hell of a member.
Their loss.
Quote from: meezer on August 17, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
=D> KISS forum banned one hell of a member.
Their loss.
Those KISS Know-It-Alls were the worst believe me. There is a similar debate with KISS fans - that KISS from 73-77 is the best KISS and the rest is horrible, and those that love every era of KISS. And man it is like a civil fucking war going on. Or like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. But with total morons on both sides.
Quote from: sadcorps on August 18, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
Quote from: meezer on August 17, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
=D> KISS forum banned one hell of a member.
Their loss.
Those KISS Know-It-Alls were the worst believe me. There is a similar debate with KISS fans - that KISS from 73-77 is the best KISS and the rest is horrible, and those that love every era of KISS. And man it is like a civil fucking war going on. Or like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. But with total morons on both sides.
:lol:
Quote from: sadcorps on August 18, 2014, 12:23:57 AMOr like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. But with total morons on both sides.
So it's exactly like a Ford vs Chevy debate then. Everyone knows Dodge is the best.
Quote from: Captain Howdy on August 18, 2014, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: sadcorps on August 18, 2014, 12:23:57 AMOr like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. But with total morons on both sides.
So it's exactly like a Ford vs Chevy debate then. Everyone knows Dodge is the best.
Hahahahahhaha!!!! Good catch! :D
yes, Chris Dodge - cover artist of Ozma!!!!!!!!! :buzz:
Quote from: anaconda on August 21, 2014, 06:32:32 AM
yes, Chris Dodge - cover artist of Ozma!!!!!!!!! :buzz:
juuuust a bit outside. :disagree:
Quote from: vince furnier on August 21, 2014, 07:56:15 AM
Quote from: anaconda on August 21, 2014, 06:32:32 AM
yes, Chris Dodge - cover artist of Ozma!!!!!!!!! :buzz:
juuuust a bit outside. :disagree:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dalrphHivOs
Dr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
Quote from: LuckMach3 on August 21, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Dr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
Agreed, except I love Sky Pup and especially Pearl Bomb.
NOT AGREED! :lol:
This is....umm....great stuff. :anonymous:
QuoteDr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
BLASPHEMY
QuoteThose KISS Know-It-Alls were the worst believe me. There is a similar debate with KISS fans - that KISS from 73-77 is the best KISS and the rest is horrible, and those that love every era of KISS. And man it is like a civil fucking war going on. Or like a Ford vs. Chevy debate. But with total morons on both sides.
oh my god. this is fucking bullshit. they should be like me and there wouldn´t be any arguments, because I hate kiss...no matter what :D
I like every melvins "era" but especially Lukin, Preston, D and Kevin. Those are most outstanding. The BigBizMelvins thing has got kinda boring for me. At first I was like "HELL YEAH THIS IS A SHITLOAD OF DRUMMING THAT I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPRODUCE" but then it just wore off for me.
I think Joe was a great addition to them, because he may be a really lazy asshole but his playing just fitted theirs reeeally well.
Lukin was the first bassist and yeah....he played bass on eye flys. And I seriously love eye flys.
Mark just played really smooth and I love his bass playing (example: intro of revolve).
And kevin was just wicked. He plays like no one else :D
All albums are great, it's really a rare case when a band doesn't get shitty, and The Melvins are one of those band, always trying something new instead of keeping the same formula like many other bands. It's a shame that trying something new every time is not good for selling, babyrockers always want the same crap.
Quote from: drumfreak:) on September 05, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
QuoteDr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
BLASPHEMY
How so? I always felt like half of Houdini was hastily put together and interviews seem to confirm that. It still turned out great but Dr Mule has a lot more going on in it than any of the songs I just mentioned.
Okay...maybe it´s just because I dont like Tres Cabrones that much but I love Houdini.
For me this is one (besides Gluey, Stag and H.A.T) of their albums that not just has really good songs on it but also is produced just really great.
I like all their stuff but sometimes I want to listen to listen to something with the awesome harmonies that Big Bz's brought to the table. Other times I'll want the straight sludge. That is one of my favorite aspects of Melvins, they have not painted themselves in a corner creatively, they can do anything that they want Beat-Boxing Patton singing about toys, an hour of feedback, switching back to the OG lineup, nothing seems off the table. Where as Megadeth for example (who I do like) has their style and after eleventeen albums if they did something drastically different fans would be in a frenzy. Doing what they want 100% of the time IMHO is so much more punk rock than spending lots of time on a pink mohawk and spikey shoeses and noses and sparkly toeses.
Quote from: ZILLA on September 07, 2015, 01:35:42 AM
Where as Megadeth for example (who I do like) has their style and after eleventeen albums if they did something drastically different fans would be in a frenzy.
Megadeth did experiment for a bit but it sounded like Bon Jovi and was awful. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX3OtSS5teU
OMG! :shock: it does! :lol:
"Good quality". That's totally subjective. :facepalm:
it all depends on who you talk to and how long they've liked the melvins. I think everything they make is a bit of an aqquired taste an that's why their earlier stuff is most popular. it's been around longest and The experimentation is harder to recognize at first.
honestly the only melvins release I really can't get into is chicken switch. it's a cool idea but it's not for me. prick is prick obviously but aside from those two I think they all are their own masterpiece once they sink in. the bb albums don't bother me though I find a senile animal kinda boring. vast filthy prison is probably my favorite song off that one. and hold it in I still haven't really warmed up to yet. I like it sometimes and other times it bores me.
but idk I feel like I outgrow the melvins just as often as I let newer releases sink in if that makes sense. their vast catalog is the main thing that's kept me here all this time. if they had stopped at bullhead I would've been over them a long time ago. those albums are awesome for get me wrong but I can only listen to 50 songs so many times. but the fact that they've got more music than all the other bands I like combined (except for Beatles and beach boys) I find myself not bothering to listen to much else.
for me their production quality usually determines what I listen to depending on mood.
like a lot of times id rather listen to freak puke and bride screamed murder and hat just because those are the best sounding to me.
what id really like is if they rerecorded 10 songs like when they put gluey porch treatments on electroretard. I really learned to appreciate that song the most when I could actually hear it really well.
idk that's just me
Nicely put
Addendum:
I like most of this stuff better than I did a year ago.
I just think that the production on Gluey is atrocious.
If I had listened to it for 28 years, I might be used to how weird it is.
Quote from: ZILLA on September 07, 2015, 01:35:42 AM
Doing what they want 100% of the time IMHO is so much more punk rock than spending lots of time on a pink mohawk.
Yep.
The most punk rock thing they ever did was going from lightning fast punk (mangled demos) to Sabbath paced murk, pissing off the "punks" in the process.
Bit late to this but it's not really Melvins that change. The bassists are the ones that change Melvins. So the question that should be asked is really not which era is the best Melvins, but which is the best Melvin's bassist.
Even more confusing is that the answer to that particular question is that there is no best Melvins bassist. They are all good. So in order to get the correct answer we need the correct question and I can confidently conclude that the correct question is actually this question; which Melvins bassist do you like the best?
Quote from: (the) Razor on September 08, 2015, 05:54:54 AM
which Melvins bassist do you like the best?
Been asked a million times. I ask a new unrelated question and you tell me it's irrelevant, fine.
But, to entertain your argument;
Mark D played on Prick, so you put in Stoner Witch and expect an album that sounds like Prick.
Hmmm.... that didn't quite work. OK, put in Stag. Sounds like Stoner Witch, so you put in Honky.... Sounds nothing like the previous two albums. Theory is dead. :P
You didn't ask an irrelevant question at all! Melvin's never made the same record twice as you correctly put it yes, but one should group the Melvin's eras by bassists rather than time. Way off tipic but i was poking fun as when a poster talks about melvins and their past it is always about bassists. That is all. Of course being a post it gets misinterpreted.
Dont go too literal with their sound meezer, The trilogy sound nothing alike but it is the same set and to make it more obvious if you cant hear how radically mark d changed their sound in 94 forever listen to Mark D's solo records too! Skyfull of witches and Empire Sands fits alongside Honky, Stag and Stoner Witch easily.
Prick is not by Melvin's. A different band snivlem. :)
Quote from: (the) Razor on September 08, 2015, 08:33:46 AM
Prick is not by Melvin's. A different band snivlem. :)
Oh yeah. Forgot that! :D
on the subject of bassist, all they're bassist are good... but Trevor Dunn is beyond good. he's better at bass than anybody I've ever heard playing that type of music. Trevor is so good he allows buzz to do literally anything and pull it off. IMHO Trevor Dunn should be THE bass player and the rest are stand ins when he's not available. but that won happen.
all in all, I'm really glad I've gotten to see jared, Trevor, jd, and dale play bass. hopefully someday I'll get to see rutmanis play too!
to me rutmanis and Trevor are the two that added a new layer of experiment to the melvins which wouldn't be tree without them.
anyone CAN play like mark or Lori or even jared (though Jared's definitely got an edge) but only Kevin and do Kevin and only Trevor can do Trevor and both have taken the melvins to brand new places never before reached
The stuff he does on Disco Volante. :shock:
Quote from: Bro Hammer on August 21, 2014, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: LuckMach3 on August 21, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Dr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
Agreed, except I love Sky Pup and especially Pearl Bomb.
you guys don't like Joan of Arc? :facepalm:
Quote from: goldennuggetrecordings on September 08, 2015, 01:00:09 PM
on the subject of bassist, all they're bassist are good... but Trevor Dunn is beyond good. he's better at bass than anybody I've ever heard playing that type of music. Trevor is so good he allows buzz to do literally anything and pull it off. IMHO Trevor Dunn should be THE bass player and the rest are stand ins when he's not available. but that won happen.
all in all, I'm really glad I've gotten to see jared, Trevor, jd, and dale play bass. hopefully someday I'll get to see rutmanis play too!
to me rutmanis and Trevor are the two that added a new layer of experiment to the melvins which wouldn't be tree without them.
anyone CAN play like mark or Lori or even jared (though Jared's definitely got an edge) but only Kevin and do Kevin and only Trevor can do Trevor and both have taken the melvins to brand new places never before reached
Bass player here. Here are my thoughts on their bass players and their role within the band:
Matt Lukin: The first! Plays on my personal favorite Melvins album ever!!!! My friend owns the rig Lukin used to record Gluey Porch Treatments. He says Matt Lukin is hilarious and a really nice guy. I love his bass playing because it is so punk rock, metal and blues rock all at the same time!
Lori Black: My least favorite bass player in the Melvins. Her tone on Ozma is atrocious - it sounds like someone put some brand new strings on the bass the morning of the recording session. Technically gets the job done, but doesn't really add anything for me. :? Eggnog fucking rules though! Same with Bullhead. Come to think of it - she really does get the job done.
Joe Preston: Bombastic. Wish I could have seen him play with the Melvins. How did I miss those shows? Love his sound, love his tone. (Personal note: Met him once, he was nice. I don;t think he wants to talk about Melvins anymore).
Mark Deutrom: I don't think any other bass player in the history of the Melvins had as much influence on the sound of the Melvins that Mark D. Just look at the song credits and listen to his solo albums. The guy KNOWS music - he went to school for it and shit. He brought a style of bass playing not seen before or since as he is primarily a guitarist - kind of like Noel Redding. Plus - he plays all kinds of guitar on Stoner Witch. (Have conversed with him over email - really great guy)
Kevin Rutmanis: Perhaps my favorite Melvin? No one can do that retard dance while playing the bass like he can. Killer tone, great use of effects and slide. I miss Kevin being in the band more than any other member. His playing reminds me of someone taking a Motown session guy and slipping him some LSD. (I have met Kevin once, real nice. See him walking around my neighborhood with his little son in a stroller - melvins dad!)
Jared Warren: What can I say about Jared? The single best bass tone to ever grace the Melvins. And the guy can SING like a bad ass. Born and bred on the Melvins, Jared UNDERSTANDS Melvins more than most. Seriously though - the BEST bass tone in the Melvins ever. (Personal note: I have met him. He is a total sweetheart, really nice guy, funny as hell).
J.D. Pinkus: I am a bit underwhelmed by Pinkus. He has a great look, great stage presence, can play like a mofo - but.....I am going to say it - I HATE HIS BASS TONE. His bass tone just sounds weak to me. He doesn't play with a pick which is cool and very unique when it comes to the Melvins. But man - give me some P-Bass played with a Pick in my Melvins!!! (Personal note: I have not met him, I think he would be one of the coolest dudes to ever smoke a bowl with).
Trevor Dunn: This man is a bass genius. The most skilled musician to have ever played in the Melvins. This guy knows everything about music including theory, how to read etc. etc. Can play upright bass and electric bass. Can play in a jazz band and can play in the most shreddingest metal band. He has all bases covered. Great tone, great technique - truly a musician's musician. (Personal note: I have met him, he loves KISS - a lot! Super nice fucking guy)
Dale Crover: Not the real 1983 bass player! He is an imposter!!!! Get's the job done for a poser! :shock: I wish that Lukin could still play bass and was on good enough terms with Buzz and Dale to have played bass in Melvins 1983. Oh well - it still rules!! (Personal note: I have met him, really fucking nice guy.)
Personal note: I actually read all of that! Nice to hear from a bassist on bassists.
I'm a bassist on the weekends, and that bassist has his bases covered, regarding Melvins bassists! :shock:
I'm a guitarist, so I can easily play bass and can confirm it is a good post.
( :lol:)
Jared best bass tone ever? :) i politely disagree.
The bassist discussion is interesting in that it always relates to a particular period for the melvins. Do people prefer the bass sound/style or that particular melvins period?
Quote from: (the) Razor on September 08, 2015, 09:32:32 PM
I'm a guitarist, so I can easily play bass and can confirm it is a good post.
( :lol:)
Best post ever!!! :D
Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
Jared best bass tone ever? :) i politely disagree.
Let's set up a duel between the best Melvins bassist tones!!!!!
(I probably shouldn't have said "EVER" - I meant it in a purely Melvins related sense.)
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 09, 2015, 11:01:31 AM
I honestly haven't got a clue on the bassists or who sounds best or is most creative or anything. Personally i hardly EVER hear a bass player in the music i listen to. It all just blends together for me and i usually only really hear or focus upon guitar and drums. Perhaps i have bad hearing or im just not familiar with what a bass sounds like?!? I think the only bands i can think of where i can distinctly pick out the bass in the mix and tell what it's doing are Om and Shellac. Om because there is only bass present and Shellac because Albini's guitar isn't low end sounding and is pretty distinctive. In fact i think that's one of the really cool things about Shellac is that there is no leading instrument. Bass, drums and guitar all take turns or are as prominent as each other. As for Melvins, i haven't a clue.
In my opinion, this means the bassists are doing their job correct!!! I usually find if the bass is standing out too much in rock music, they need to simmer down and support the music.
Quote from: immoraliste on September 09, 2015, 11:47:38 AM
The bassist discussion is interesting in that it always relates to a particular period for the melvins. Do people prefer the bass sound/style or that particular melvins period?
Great question.
Jared is my favorite Melvins bassist as far as tone/sound/vocals, yet plays on my least favorite Melvins albums.
Mark D is my favorite bassist as far as choice notes, classic P-Bass with a pick sound, and plays on some of my favorite albums.
Lori is my least favorite Melvins bassist, and plays on Ozma, Bullhead and Eggnog which are in my top favorite Melvins albums ever (and I HATE her bass tone on Ozma).
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Dr Mule >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going Blind, Set Me Straight, Sky Pup, Joan of Arc, Teet, Copache, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle
Agreed, except I love Sky Pup and especially Pearl Bomb.
you guys don't like Joan of Arc? :facepalm:
Neither of us said that.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 09, 2015, 11:01:31 AMPersonally i hardly EVER hear a bass player in the music i listen to. It all just blends together for me and i usually only really hear or focus upon guitar and drums. Perhaps i have bad hearing or im just not familiar with what a bass sounds like?!?
It wouldn't sound nearly as good without bass. Go back and listen to The Fool, The Meddling Idiot. The entire 2min intro the bass is the stand out instrument doing the high pitched screeching sound you hear.
I can relate to what Ian is saying. I've heard J Mascis say in interviews that he makes his demos with himself on drums and works meticulously with Murph on the drum parts. He says on the other hand, he doesn't care at all about the bass, that he "doesn't even hear it". Ian's in good company, I say. And he's also crazy. :buzz:
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Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
Jared best bass tone ever? :) i politely disagree.
Let's set up a duel between the best Melvins bassist tones!!!!!
(I probably shouldn't have said "EVER" - I meant it in a purely Melvins related sense.)
yeah i know what you mean.i just appreciate Jared's style and tone in BB more. Mark D is my favourite Melvins bassist. Best bass tone is Kevin's imo
Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on September 09, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: black stallion on September 09, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
Jared best bass tone ever? :) i politely disagree.
Let's set up a duel between the best Melvins bassist tones!!!!!
(I probably shouldn't have said "EVER" - I meant it in a purely Melvins related sense.)
yeah i know what you mean.i just appreciate Jared's style and tone in BB more. Mark D is my favourite Melvins bassist. Best bass tone is Kevin's imo
I heart Kevin's tone! And I totally agree with you on BB - Damn Jared RULES in that band. So happy they are a duo again.
Mark D will always be a King in my heart.
It's all Noise :D
It's ONly Rock N RoLL
Diff eras, diff opinions :D
There are always the "true fans" of any group who only like the first few albums and say the rest is Queef and then there is the equally annoying other side of the "true fan" Shitcoin who say all material by said band is glorious and groundbreaking. For some, a favorite band getting some mainstream appeal or writing a catchy song is the worst thing in the world. For some, favorite band only has to put name on something for fan to proclaim it "best album ever."
And for whoever mentioned KISS, obviously the post-solo albums material is absolutely, undisputed Dildo music. Anyone who likes Asylum and Hot in the Shade is wrong.
Quote from: hemispheres on September 09, 2015, 11:41:23 PM
And for whoever mentioned KISS, obviously the post-solo albums material is absolutely, undisputed Dildo music. Anyone who likes Asylum and Hot in the Shade is wrong.
But you gotta love Crazy Nights!
Quote from: hemispheres on September 09, 2015, 11:41:23 PM
Diff eras, diff opinions :D
There are always the "true fans" of any group who only like the first few albums and say the rest is Queef....
Good post - to me it makes sense if you think of it in that if a fan in 1980's saw them play and loved that sort of music, of course they would be attracted to that sort of style they were playing at the time. It could be easy to see why these "true fans" would find some other parts of the Melvins discography hard to digest because its not what they originally liked about Melvins.
Not just Melvins "true fans" either - any band. I mean being around 30+ years, they've attracted all sorts of fans compared to other bands who last 10 years and release three albums that sound the same...or worse bands like AC/DC who never evolved over 30 years. So it depends on which stop you get on the Melvins train I guess.