https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwe3CrA4OEU
about to shut down this shit show on the fb group. arguing about politics, can you believe it?! 8-[ #-o :buzz:
Lasted less than two minutes, what is it with right-wingers and their insatiable need to troll? You know when you're attempting to defend someone that has been arrested for supporting nazi's you should probably take stock of how you ended up in that position in life.
Buzz should probably put a bit more thought into appearing on podcasts like this. Not even a minute in and the host is already going on about the 'loopy left', fuck me right-wingers are such negative depressing people.
Gavin was a regular on Fox Red Eye, which Buzz appeared on a lot. He was pretty different then. i'll leave it at that. :lol:
Quote from: Bigval on July 29, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
Buzz should probably put a bit more thought into appearing on podcasts like this.
Agreed.
Quote from: backstard on July 30, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
this interview is from March 2018
And it's just been taken down per request by the Melvins in the last 24 hours, presumably.
:shock:
yet the wounds remain.
I missed it.
Well, there is this OTHER Buzz interview which is new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeW0jGKJYWQ
Would like to know more about the hubub this is causing... actually have old friends reaching out to me with screen grabs.
Can anyone speak more definitively on Buzz's politics?
I think there may be a thread for this somewhere 😬
Quote from: dontyoutellme on August 04, 2020, 08:31:39 PM
Would like to know more about the hubub this is causing... actually have old friends reaching out to me with screen grabs.
Can anyone speak more definitively on Buzz's politics?
this one from 4 years ago has been shared plenty in the last 4 years and seems to be one of the more definitive interviews on the subject.
https://youtu.be/zYIUT0ZhaPI
Quote from: dontyoutellme on August 04, 2020, 08:31:39 PM
Would like to know more about the hubub this is causing... actually have old friends reaching out to me with screen grabs.
Can anyone speak more definitively on Buzz's politics?
He's a right-wing libertarian. I don't care for his politics but like a lot of his music so I just ignore his political opinions if I see them in interviews or whatever they're not exactly fleshed out or fully thought through just the usual "I'm alright Jack, fuck everyone else".
That aside however appearing on podcasts of far-right lunatics isn't exactly the greatest idea.
Quote from: Bigval on August 04, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
That aside however appearing on podcasts of far-right lunatics isn't exactly the greatest idea.
Do you think Buzz knew the background of the podcaster prior to the interview? I get the impression with Buzz that if someone, ANYONE says to him "can i interview you?" he will merrily go along with it. I suspect that is more what happened rather than this being an endorsement of the politics. Personally though, i REALLY don't know what all the fuss is about with this. It was just typical Buzz.
Reading this thread about Buzzo's appearance on the show is utterly bizarre, foolish and idiotically reactionary.
https://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1076&start=1280#p2071428
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 04:08:51 AM
Do you think Buzz knew the background of the podcaster prior to the interview? I get the impression with Buzz that if someone, ANYONE says to him "can i interview you?" he will merrily go along with it. I suspect that is more what happened rather than this being an endorsement of the politics. Personally though, i REALLY don't know what all the fuss is about with this. It was just typical Buzz.
I'm not implying in anyway that Buzz was endorsing this guy's politics I'm giving him the assumption of naivety as all it took was a quick search on Google to see he was an extremist. I highly doubt Buzz (or his management) would allow him to be interviewed by just anyone come on if the Grand Wizard of the KKK asked him for an interview do you really think he would do it? Of course he wouldn't.
I didn't even get to the Buzz interview I hard already bailed before then.
Has Buzz got management? I always thought he said they plan/arrange everything themselves. I think you (and plenty of other people online) are making a big, needless fuss about this appearance. Go by what Buzz said and how he normally is - don't just react to him being on the podcast of someone who is right-wing in their opinions. I don't think that matters or relates in any way shape or form.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 04:34:23 AM
I think you (and plenty of other people online) are making a big, needless fuss about this appearance.
I'm not making a big fuss about anything whatsoever? Bit of an odd comment.
QuoteGo by what Buzz said and how he normally is - don't just react to him being on the podcast of someone who is right-wing in their opinions. I don't think that matters or relates in any way shape or form.
I'm not even commenting on what Buzz said in the interview like I said I didn't even hear Buzz speak I had already stopped the clip. The host was a bit more than right-wing he was clearly far-right.
Quote from: Bigval on August 05, 2020, 05:20:16 AM
I'm not making a big fuss about anything whatsoever? Bit of an odd comment.
Not really. You said yourself you didn't watch the interview. So you are reacting to the host or the show. That seems to be what quite a few people are doing online too. Going into this, i didn't know who this host guy was, his opinions or the show itself. To me it was just another Buzz interview clip. Him appearing (as he usually does) on some random YouTube channel that may or may not have anything too associative or fitting culturally wise with the band or it's ethics. Buzz mentioned a couple of things that i imagine some person wouldn't like. But hey people always dislike something. It was a very tame interview. The host seemed stupid but that's the host. I just don't see what people are complaining about with all this. Like i say - it's like people are LOOKING to be insulted.
Quote from: Bigval on August 05, 2020, 05:20:16 AM
I'm not even commenting on what Buzz said in the interview like I said I didn't even hear Buzz speak I had already stopped the clip. The host was a bit more than right-wing he was clearly far-right.
Perhaps, but let's say yes so what? Does that automatically make Buzz far-right too then? Plus it's not against the law for people to have their opinions. We may not agree with them but i don't see why any of us should get all troubled, insulted or offended by it. At the end of the day it was only an interview. A mere 5 minutes at that too.
Did anyone see this? did Buzz say anything out of the pale? or did he just stay within the lines of his usual politics?
Quote from: johnnyg on August 05, 2020, 08:37:36 AM
Did anyone see this? did Buzz say anything out of the pale? or did he just stay within the lines of his usual politics?
It was mostly Buzzo's usual comments. A few of which he has mentioned before in recent interviews. As we tend to see he has a few replies he automatically goes to when responding to things.
As i saw it, there were only two things uttered by him that anyone might take offence by. One was discussing the movie 'A Wrinkle In Time' which the host said was apparently made to showcase diversity with it's cast. Buzz said it didn't matter about the diversity and that, quite obviously, such things don't (in themselves) make good movies. That he saw the film and said it was terrible. That he has seen fantastic movies that had no diversity. He wasn't saying diversity doesn't matter but that it isn't what makes a movie great.
The other thing Buzz said was about Socialism and how no one ever mentions how the term "Nazi" was also part of socialism. National Socialism as it was formally back in Germany. Buzz didn''t praise Nazi's or any such cause just remarked how he finds it funny that people don't make those connections.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on August 05, 2020, 08:37:36 AM
Did anyone see this? did Buzz say anything out of the pale? or did he just stay within the lines of his usual politics?
It was mostly Buzzo's usual comments. A few of which he as mentioned before in recent interviews. As we tend to see he has a few replies he automatically goes to when responding to things.
As i saw it, there were only two things uttered by him that anyone might take offence by. One was discussing the movie 'A Wrinkle In Time' which the host said was apparently made to showcase diversity with it's cast. Buzz said it didn't matter about the diversity and that, quite obviously, such things don't (in themselves) make good movies. That he saw the film and said it was terrible. That he has seen fantastic movies that had no diversity. He wasn't saying diversity doesn't matter but that it isn't what makes a movie great.
The other thing Buzz said was about Socialism and how no one ever mentions how the term "Nazi" was also part of socialism. National Socialism as it was formally back in Germany. Buzz didn''t praise Nazi's or any such cause just remarked how he finds it funny that people don't make those connections.
Thanks, this helps me understand the situation. I appreciate this.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 07:52:00 AM
Like i say - it's like people are LOOKING to be insulted.
It seems more like you're looking to be offended.
QuotePerhaps, but let's say yes so what? Does that automatically make Buzz far-right too then?
You're not even reading what I've said this is the second time you've done this and are you're clearly taking out on me your frustrations with other people's opinions. I'm no longer interested.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
As i saw it, there were only two things uttered by him that anyone might take offence by. One was discussing the movie 'A Wrinkle In Time' which the host said was apparently made to showcase diversity with it's cast. Buzz said it didn't matter about the diversity and that, quite obviously, such things don't (in themselves) make good movies. That he saw the film and said it was terrible. That he has seen fantastic movies that had no diversity. He wasn't saying diversity doesn't matter but that it isn't what makes a movie great.
In a sane world, this would not be controversial. The Wrinkle in Time film of a few years ago was unwatchable even by kiddie movie standards. It has Oprah, for God's sake.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
The other thing Buzz said was about Socialism and how no one ever mentions how the term "Nazi" was also part of socialism. National Socialism as it was formally back in Germany. Buzz didn''t praise Nazi's or any such cause just remarked how he finds it funny that people don't make those connections.
Yet another example of why I don't pay much attention to Buzz's political comments. North Korea ain't no democracy.
Saw it finally in a friend's thread on FB. Not sure if it's been mentioned or if it's adding to anything.
Apparently the interviewer in question was from Gavin McEnnis, who is a major head of the alt-right group The Proud Boys.
The interview has been deleted recently which makes me wonder how well aware Buzz was of this guy.
Quote from: dead mike on August 05, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 05, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
As i saw it, there were only two things uttered by him that anyone might take offence by. One was discussing the movie 'A Wrinkle In Time' which the host said was apparently made to showcase diversity with it's cast. Buzz said it didn't matter about the diversity and that, quite obviously, such things don't (in themselves) make good movies. That he saw the film and said it was terrible. That he has seen fantastic movies that had no diversity. He wasn't saying diversity doesn't matter but that it isn't what makes a movie great.
In a sane world, this would not be controversial. The Wrinkle in Time film of a few years ago was unwatchable even by kiddie movie standards. It has Oprah, for God's sake.
It has Oprah, for Oprah's sake!
I'm a bit confused to why this is surfacing. The interview is from a couple years ago. Apparently a couple of music forums and FB groups pulled this out of left field, and now it's trending and uncool to like melvins again.
I bet it was Dave Grohl, lol. Seeking revenge after all these years.
Anyway I've had a couple friends grab screenshots and ask me wtf is going on. I don't really know how to respond. I know buzz leans conservative, but GM and his proud boys are racist monsters. I wouldn't want to be caught 50ft away from that prick. Ugh.
first of all, i'm alive.
second of all,
Seeing this made me cringe a ton. I hadn't heard of the Proud Boys before but after all this surfaced I talked to a few American friends of mine who told me that they are or at least were a well-known far right group. I've read a few things about Buzz' politics in the past and honestly I doubt that he didn't know who this Gavin dude was beforehand. To be honest I havent really given a shit about the Melvins in a few years but damn it hurts to see one of your former heroes be a conservative twat. I doubt he's anything more than that but getting interviewed by a far-right fuckwit is top tier cringe, regardless of what they actually talked about.
Quote from: JUDY on August 05, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Anyway I've had a couple friends grab screenshots and ask me wtf is going on. I don't really know how to respond. I know buzz leans conservative, but GM and his proud boys are racist monsters. I wouldn't want to be caught 50ft away from that prick. Ugh.
Too late. Everything you've ever said, and everyone you've ever associated with, are now fair game for the cancel mobs. Time and degree of social removal are considerations that come from a place of privilege. In fact, your insinuation that these are somehow relevant is itself an act of white privilege.
Viva La Terreur.
Quote from: backstard on August 05, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
And it's well before the guy got de-personed.
He was de-platformed from Twitter, facebook, etc. in late 2018. You're saying Buzz wouldn't have taken the interview if Gavin had requested it after late 2018?
Quote from: dead mike on August 05, 2020, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: JUDY on August 05, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Anyway I've had a couple friends grab screenshots and ask me wtf is going on. I don't really know how to respond. I know buzz leans conservative, but GM and his proud boys are racist monsters. I wouldn't want to be caught 50ft away from that prick. Ugh.
Too late. Everything you've ever said, and everyone you've ever associated with, are now fair game for the cancel mobs. Time and degree of social removal are considerations that come from a place of privilege. In fact, your insinuation that these are somehow relevant is itself an act of white privilege.
Viva La Terreur.
stop it.
Shitkid are trashing Buzz on their Instagram stories regarding the Gavin interview. They even have a little book, which looks to contain back and forth text messages. Hmmm....
snowball anyone?
Quote from: glen on August 06, 2020, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: dead mike on August 05, 2020, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: JUDY on August 05, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Anyway I've had a couple friends grab screenshots and ask me wtf is going on. I don't really know how to respond. I know buzz leans conservative, but GM and his proud boys are racist monsters. I wouldn't want to be caught 50ft away from that prick. Ugh.
Too late. Everything you've ever said, and everyone you've ever associated with, are now fair game for the cancel mobs. Time and degree of social removal are considerations that come from a place of privilege. In fact, your insinuation that these are somehow relevant is itself an act of white privilege.
Viva La Terreur.
stop it.
Touché.
Quote from: JUDY on August 06, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: glen on August 06, 2020, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: dead mike on August 05, 2020, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: JUDY on August 05, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Anyway I've had a couple friends grab screenshots and ask me wtf is going on. I don't really know how to respond. I know buzz leans conservative, but GM and his proud boys are racist monsters. I wouldn't want to be caught 50ft away from that prick. Ugh.
Too late. Everything you've ever said, and everyone you've ever associated with, are now fair game for the cancel mobs. Time and degree of social removal are considerations that come from a place of privilege. In fact, your insinuation that these are somehow relevant is itself an act of white privilege.
Viva La Terreur.
stop it.
Touché.
wow. The argument of white privilege is dead in the water. That label is only applied by others and a few who can't seem to deal with identity and harbor a guilt complex. A douche is a douche. Id stay away too. Now buzz isn't afraid of alternative platforms cause he will step up with his own unwavering opinions. Sometimes thats the only way to educate and break down these vile social barriers past on thru centuries of emotional neglect for each other. Will asshats condemn buzz? Sure, they can't see beyond any surface. Well fuck them, thats just as blind as the hate in this idiots heart. Cancel culture does exist, but its overboard. Wayyy overboard. Sometimes you need to watch the hard stuff to understand what you're up against. Cause it just puts us all against each other. The powers that be like that. Insinuations are the markings of a weak argument.
I mean, this is classic buzz.
WOOOOO!!!! gore job.
Quote from: beaver on August 06, 2020, 12:54:51 PM
Shitkid are trashing Buzz on their Instagram stories regarding the Gavin interview. They even have a little book, which looks to contain back and forth text messages. Hmmm....
Have they considered starting a public Google Doc so everyone assaulted by Buzz's violent opinions can have a safe space to speak their truth? Word on the street is Ipecac and AmRep both have a toxic culture of being insufficiently woke.
Quote from: dirtmerchant on August 06, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
I mean, this is classic buzz.
Maybe this is irrelevant but I can't not say it.
Anyone listen to ShitKid leading up to that 2019 tour and wonder what Buzz even saw in that band? Or that they just seemed out of place?
It just seems ridiculously asinine to get so butt-hurt because this guy (who took them out on tour, providing them with huge exposure they otherwise wouldn't get) has differing opinions. Not surprising in the least, just tiresome. Oh well.
dead mike, take your regressive horseshit to /mu/
Quote from: whiney on August 06, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
dead mike, take your regressive horseshit to /mu/
I don't know what that is, or who you are, and I don't care, so no.
Impressive comment/username synergy, tho.
Quote from: CoryCory on August 06, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: dirtmerchant on August 06, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
I mean, this is classic buzz.
Maybe this is irrelevant but I can't not say it.
Anyone listen to ShitKid leading up to that 2019 tour and wonder what Buzz even saw in that band? Or that they just seemed out of place?
I don't get it either. I've heard buzz say multiple times that he's never been wrong, pretty sure referencing his career. Well, that shitkid collab proves otherwise haha. It's terrible. And I was one of those guys thinking Melvins can do no wrong in my eyes up until that point. But my opinion on shitkid has nothing to do with my classic buzz comment. I mean, if that's the kind of things he said that they went as far as to print in their fanzine then you're gonna have to do Better than that to cancel him. Sounds like he just has some dumb opinions. I've known that for years. I listened to the whole interview he did that's causing such an uproar. He said some dumb shit but Jesus who hasn't? He has even said himself to not look to musicians for politics. He's a musician. Don't look to him to be changing the world with speaking politics. If his dumb comments are too bad for you to not throw on Houdini, then don't do it. Move on. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I don't see him rolling out a podium any time soon to apologize for anything. He's spent his whole life with most people hating his band. What's a few more haters to the Melvins. Their die hards will pick up the slack.
Until I can see the interview or read anything from it, other than a meme clip, I'm going to assume buzz didn't know the ins and outs of the PB's. With his record dropping next week I don't think this will roll out well. Goddammit.
If anyone has that link can you message it to me please and thanks?
As far as shitkid goes.... what in the actual fuck?! I think their music is (literally) shit so I do not follow on any platforms and am just getting caught up on all the noise.
So let me get this straight... Dale drops their name in several interviews, they collab and tour together, shitkid gets pissed off about some art work, quits the tour, then releases a book (which is probably taken out of context) w text message exchanged from the band? That's a seriously shady and fucked up way to make a few bucks. So now they're inviting crowds to boo for them. Buzz would be like, the more you boo, the more we play.
Whatever went down is none of anyone's business, and releasing that book is a serious invasion of privacy that I do not condone. Now they are using this as a told ya so platform all over social media and printing more books.
Goddammit again. I'm heartbroken.
That was a bit off what Buzz said to Shitkid but to be expected really he's an older right-wing male and they're young left-wing women, of course they're going to butt heads. But Buzz knows better than to try and equate the struggle and repression of women with his parents not liking him, smh typical Buzz trying too hard to be offensive.
I wish shitkid would just post all the content of their zine. If it's really damning let the world know instead of trying to sell it, capitalist.
I can't believe this is even a thing. It's absurd. Is slander still a thing?
I'm just going to say it. Buzz made a bad move interviewing with that douche, but it's not like he was on there saying racist shit. It was from two years ago. I highly doubt he knew who he was getting into it at the time. It's no secret how he openly dislikes socialism and is pretty conservative. That's all. It doesn't make him a bad guy.
Shitkid using this to get attention and make money is some huge immature bullshit. As a female who swings leftish, I don't think it's an appropriate platform to try to make a fanbase for yourself.
Hi, long time listener, few times caller here.
Buzz has said many times "I don't know why people look to rock stars for political opinions." He's always been an advocate for self reliant thinking. He's joked about the absurdity of the punk rock culture's "norms" and has said "it amazes me that punk rock kids have so many rules about being punk rock." He's also very sarcastic and a bit of an absurdist.
I actually got to see the vid before it got taken down and had never heard of the guy that was interviewing him. The guy basically led the conversation, Buzz was just riffing his riff of punk rock and rules dont go together and the guy tied it to PC Cancel culture. I really don't think Buzz knew who this jerk was, I didn't. Then again I try to avoid bullshit. Thank you for reading my less than two cents, resume your normal programming. - End of line
Quote from: thor on August 06, 2020, 10:18:52 PM
Hi, long time listener, few times caller here.
Buzz has said many times "I don't know why people look to rock stars for political opinions." He's always been an advocate for self reliant thinking. He's joked about the absurdity of the punk rock culture's "norms" and has said "it amazes me that punk rock kids have so many rules about being punk rock." He's also very sarcastic and a bit of an absurdist.
I actually got to see the vid before it got taken down and had never heard of the guy that was interviewing him. The guy basically led the conversation, Buzz was just riffing his riff of punk rock and rules dont go together and the guy tied it to PC Cancel culture. I really don't think Buzz knew who this jerk was, I didn't. Then again I try to avoid bullshit. Thank you for reading my less than two cents, resume your normal programming. - End of line
I appreciate this. Thank you.
Thor, I really hope that you're right about Buzz not knowing anything about him. I became aware of Gavin 10 or so years ago when he did his "How to piss in public" video. It was hilarious. Then later he came out as an alt-right, chauvinist, racist, asshole.
This is an older Buzz quote that has stuck with me:
"And I think you should look to higher sources than somebody like me or somebody like Jello or somebody like Noam Chomsky—people who step outside of their area of expertise. Noam Chomsky is a linguist. That's what he does best. Why anybody listens to him on politics is beyond me." Noam Chomsky steps outside his area of expertise when he talks about politics? Tell me more about how the Nazis were socialists, guitar guy.
Based on some notable musicians and their respective controversies I doubt this will amount to much in the long term. Time will tell by the time a new album drops or when they tour again.
Quote from: CoryCory on August 07, 2020, 08:03:00 AM
Based on some notable musicians and their respective controversies I doubt this will amount to much in the long term.
Agreed. It only seems like a story in the Melvins fan circles. No one else is picking it up or throwing mud......yet. This Shitkid development is interesting. I've been reading Asa's comments over on their FB page. It does give the impression that Buzz and co didn't really do anything wrong. That it was more her who took offense or the lines of communication were a bit poor from both sides. Also her attitude make it seem like she would be almost impossible to work with.
Quote from: dead mike on August 06, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: whiney on August 06, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
dead mike, take your regressive horseshit to /mu/
I don't know what that is, or who you are, and I don't care, so no.
Impressive comment/username synergy, tho.
OOO!! OOO!!! tell him he can totally go fuck himself! do it! do it!
"Leftbook" is in an uproar, but 19 year-old transgenders cancelling people didn't affect Lennon, Page, or Bowie, or even Burzum. So I think Buzz is fine
But yeah, I mean, Buzz is right-wing, old guy. Walsby seems pretty right-leaning. All these dudes are uber contrarian, "deal with it, pussy" types who have been surrounded by vapid limousine liberals for decades. Zappa would be saying similar stuff if he were alive. Johnny Ramone too.
Quote from: glen on August 07, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: dead mike on August 06, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: whiney on August 06, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
dead mike, take your regressive horseshit to /mu/
I don't know what that is, or who you are, and I don't care, so no.
Impressive comment/username synergy, tho.
OOO!! OOO!!! tell him he can totally go fuck himself! do it! do it!
Shan't.
The detestable nature of this move aside - doesn't this technically consitute Melvins paraphernalia? :shock:
Quote from: hemispheres on August 07, 2020, 10:11:00 AM
"Leftbook" is in an uproar, but 19 year-old transgenders cancelling people didn't affect Lennon, Page, or Bowie, or even Burzum. So I think Buzz is fine
From my own observation it's a lesser version of the whole Phil Anselmo shitshow. You're just going to find out who's always hated that band/artist among staunch defenders (and a lot of those people don't go to shows anyways). I don't think the Melvins are really going to lose that many fans over this in the grand scheme of things.
Quote from: ))))(((( on August 07, 2020, 09:33:24 AM
Quote from: CoryCory on August 07, 2020, 08:03:00 AM
Based on some notable musicians and their respective controversies I doubt this will amount to much in the long term.
Agreed. It only seems like a story in the Melvins fan circles. No one else is picking it up or throwing mud......yet. This Shitkid development is interesting. I've been reading Asa's comments over on their FB page. It does give the impression that Buzz and co didn't really do anything wrong. That it was more her who took offense or the lines of communication were a bit poor from both sides. Also her attitude make it seem like she would be almost impossible to work with.
Thumbed through the same thread and got the same impression.
Imagine having the mentality that a world-renowned band who had a hand in pioneering two genres needs to walk eggshells around you. ShitKid are a fucking joke. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Oscar on August 08, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
The detestable nature of this move aside
Agreed. However that being true, if anyone has any scans of it, i'd definitely like to give it a read.
Surely someone has a copy of this here right??
here's the offending artwork The Melvins wanted to use. by V Hazelmyer, a young woman. :facepalm: ](*,)
I want a copy of the book just to have Buzz sign it. However, I won't be giving them any of my money. What they are doing is gross and they don't deserve it.
I listened to the podcast yesterday in its entirety. Here is my takeaway:
1. I am absolutely NOT shocked by anything Buzzo said. It just seemed like another interview.
2. GM is a certified tool and shouldn't be allowed to speak, ever.
3. If anything, Melvins only stand to lose some casual fans who probably had no idea he leans conservative. I can see some others really taking this to heart, and that's totally fine. It's their call.
My only real concern is some of their more questionable art work and merchandise being taken out of context by bored music journalists and hipsters. Just wait til they see the trilogy vinyl! They'll immediately notice the huge red and black swastika, but won't bother to flip it and see the Star of David. All of the imagery represents symbols of hate, but that's the only one they will see. Just wait til they hear Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World and spin that a new one.
The biggest disappointment for me is the fact that he sat in with GM, but I'm over it. I am confident in myself enough to move forward and carry on. Unless the Trump administration starts using Honeybucket at rallies. If that happens we will have no choice but to pack up and move to Australia :lol:
Quote from: vince furnier on August 08, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
here's the offending artwork The Melvins wanted to use. by V Hazelmyer, a young woman. :facepalm: ](*,)
Despite this going public, please modify the V to protect her privacy. Thank you.
Quote from: JUDY on August 08, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
My only real concern is some of their more questionable art work and merchandise being taken out of context by bored music journalists and hipsters. Just wait til they see the trilogy vinyl! They'll immediately notice the huge red and black swastika, but won't bother to flip it and see the Star of David. All of the imagery represents symbols of hate, but that's the only one they will see. Just wait til they hear Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World and spin that a new one.
Very good point.
I think most people do too many interviews in general. Talking shit is a popular currency these days, and Buzz has probably never said no to a generic interview request. The questions and approaches rarely change, it's essentially the same fodder that 90s TV types were churning out and artists were already bored of then (and also lit the interviewers up for, but mellowness in age prevails).
Obviously it's on me to listen, but I'd probably be better off not hearing how e.g. "weird" and "out there" the opening bands are that Melvins hand-picked, when they've all been generously mediocre and deritative since the BB/Porn tours. Not saying good old days, just saying.
Edit: Tweak Bird is alright
That is pretty ordinary that she's trying to make money off this by selling the text messages in a zine.
Those dumb punk kids will buy anything.
It should be hard to stick the Melvins as alt-right if you take Jelvins into consideration. "Should" clearly doesn't apply in cancel culture because stupidity. But yes, I've worried for how that appropriated fascist imagery would fare in this modern age if anything ever came up like this. Weirdly enough that probably makes me a Nazi memorabilia hoarder for being glad I got my original Electroretard before it could be canceled.
aside from anything that Buzz said in this (which isn't any worse than anything else he has said up to this point), the big takeaway i seem to be getting from this is people are appalled that he sat down with Gavin in the first place. But honestly, was he even aware of "who" he was? Was anybody really aware of how shitty this guy was back then? i mean, even now, when the whole thing came up, i had to look up who the guy was. i don't follow any of this stuff. do we know that buzz would have had any clue who or what the proud boys were in early 2018?
Quote from: Manky on August 09, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
aside from anything that Buzz said in this (which isn't any worse than anything else he has said up to this point), the big takeaway i seem to be getting from this is people are appalled that he sat down with Gavin in the first place. But honestly, was he even aware of "who" he was? Was anybody really aware of how shitty this guy was back then? i mean, even now, when the whole thing came up, i had to look up who the guy was. i don't follow any of this stuff. do we know that buzz would have had any clue who or what the proud boys were in early 2018?
He's relatively famous. He co-founded Vice magazine. He was all over the news in 2016 with his Proud Boys bs. Hard to believe Buzz never heard of him, but who knows?
Funny about the shitkid "hating men is healthy" pic. I hope she titles it "I don't understand irony".
Quote from: Pelican on August 09, 2020, 09:31:59 AM
He's relatively famous. He co-founded Vice magazine. He was all over the news in 2016 with his Proud Boys bs. Hard to believe Buzz never heard of him, but who knows?
i had to look up who it was in 2020 because just hearing the name meant nothing to me. i had to figure out why people were upset. once i saw it i thought "oh yeah, that guy". it's not impossible.
Quote from: Manky on August 09, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: Pelican on August 09, 2020, 09:31:59 AM
He's relatively famous. He co-founded Vice magazine. He was all over the news in 2016 with his Proud Boys bs. Hard to believe Buzz never heard of him, but who knows?
i had to look up who it was in 2020 because just hearing the name meant nothing to me. i had to figure out why people were upset. once i saw it i thought "oh yeah, that guy". it's not impossible.
Hope I didn't come off like everybody should know who he is. Like I said earlier on, he was on my radar long before his PB crap, with his "pissing in public" video, which is some good comedy. He had a follow up video about how to dress like a man, which I also found funny at the time, but after he went full chauvinist fascist dickhead, that one has aged terribly. Maybe a bit of foreshadowing of what was to come. I was genuinely surprised when he became the Proud Boys guy and started being super outspoken about his messed up views.
https://www.metalsucks.net/2020/08/14/exclusive-the-melvins-buzz-osborne-addresses-the-controversy-surrounding-his-2018-interview-with-proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes/
Where do you think the Jew 'fro comes from?
The MetalSucks interview was pretty much the response I expected. Unfortunately there's probably going to be a lot of people lining up to cancel him and the Melvins now. Oh well. I'm sure most of us will be doing some explaining about this in the future too. The Brooklyn Vegan FB comments section is already absurd. (I know, it always is)
Quote from: Pelican on August 14, 2020, 12:59:06 PM
Unfortunately there's probably going to be a lot of people lining up to cancel him and the Melvins now.
Nah people are waking up to how damaging "hattting" everything truly is. See my other thread for more details. Buzz, you, and me will all be fine. 8)
Unbelievable :facepalm:, but then again, not so much. Buzz has nothing to apologize for. I'm glad he's standing his ground. Fuck these liberal fuck-tards and their PC bullshit. Go to hell losers. I first noticed this shit brewing on he Electrical Audio forum, people shit talking Buzz over a 2 yr old interview where he said nothing wrong. There are quite a few extreme liberal cucks hanging out there.
Metalsucks.com is and has been an absolute embarrassment of a website. I bookmarked it awhile ago, just to read general "metal" headlines. They're getting worse every day. I've noticed they've been trying to go back and dig up any dirt on anyone for saying anything that's so called sexist/racist/ or not in view with the mainstream media(covid stuff).
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on August 14, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
Unbelievable :facepalm:, but then again, not so much. Buzz has nothing to apologize for. I'm glad he's standing his ground. Fuck these liberal fuck-tards and their PC bullshit. Go to hell losers. I first noticed this shit brewing on he Electrical Audio forum, people shit talking Buzz over a 2 yr old interview where he said nothing wrong. There are quite a few extreme liberal cucks hanging out there.
Metalsucks.com is and has been an absolute embarrassment of a website. I bookmarked it awhile ago, just to read general "metal" headlines. They're getting worse every day. I've noticed they've been trying to go back and dig up any dirt on anyone for saying anything that's so called sexist/racist/ or not in view with the mainstream media(covid stuff).
Damn dude you've really got some anger hangups :lol:
I get where these "libcucks" are coming from. Language can be very damaging. Sometimes they don't quite get if it's coming from a place of "hate" or if it's just a light hearted joke or something. Society has fucked us all up and it gets hard to tell sometimes. Try to show some empathy towards them instead of telling them to "go to hell" or something. You may find you have more common ground with them than you think.
As a fairly left person myself, I always want to remind the newbies to the Democratic party that there is a long history of censorship from such people as Tipper Gore* and the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center) and other moral concern police on the right AND left we've seen over the decades who spend their time fighting artists instead of ending war.
I have a huge problem with people who ignore the elephant in the room (global capitalism & war run amok) while ranting about a Trader Jose product name because of its 'racist' overtones. This is one of those issues. You are wasting everyone's valuable time and energy worrying about shit like this (with only a sliver of info they are basing their opinion on) while the world burns.
*To go on a tangent...Al Gore's VP running mate, Joe Lieberman, was almost single-handedly responsible for preventing the passage of a public option for Obamacare. Some 'liberals' are pieces of shit too.
Quote from: deatheats on August 14, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
As a fairly left person myself, I always want to remind the newbies to the Democratic party that there is a long history of censorship from such people as Tipper Gore* and the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center) and other moral concern police on the right AND left we've seen over the decades who spend their time fighting artists instead of ending war.
I have a huge problem with people who ignore the elephant in the room (global capitalism & war run amok) while ranting about a Trader Jose product name because of its 'racist' overtones. This is one of those issues. You are wasting everyone's valuable time and energy worrying about shit like this (with only a sliver of info they are basing their opinion on) while the world burns.
*To go on a tangent...Al Gore's VP running mate, Joe Lieberman, was almost single-handedly responsible for preventing the passage of a public option for Obamacare. Some 'liberals' are pieces of shit too.
Yup sure I don't disagree. The division has gotten really bad though. We're never gonna solve anything unless we starting talking this shit out.
Just read through it even if I've avoided MetalSucks for years (Mainly because of Axl Rosenberg being one of the most self-indulgent twats in media) and Buzz handled himself pretty well. The key phrase is "I showed some restraint" in lieu of comments. I think back to when Buzz made the comments about that Kurt Cobain documentary and basically doubled down when people lashed out.
He really came out with a well thought out response and I do believe him when he says he had no awareness of prior history with McEnnis. Buzz also strikes me as a guy who's going to roll with the punches no matter what the context of the interview or questions presented are. The guy has talked about everything from dogs to golf to obscure films and other subjects beyond music and presented something to the table of interest.
I'm sticking with my statement that by the time they tour again or put out a new album it's going to blow over. Few fans lost in the grand scheme of it all and those who are being vocal about it never liked the band to begin with. To quote ProJared... "Nobody likes cancel culture except when they can be a part of it.".
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on August 14, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
I first noticed this shit brewing on the Electrical Audio forum, people shit talking Buzz over a 2 yr old interview where he said nothing wrong. There are quite a few extreme liberal cucks hanging out there.
Although not a member, i've been reading those boards for years and there are certainly some stupid viewpoints held. Especially in terms of that reactionary thread you refer to. Truly, that one really opened my eyes to just how much people mis-interpret or intentionally twist and skew what is right there in front of them into something that totally isn't. Simply pluck offence out of thin air. It makes me wonder about the intellect of some individuals in how they have politicized or gone off on tangents as to what Buzz said. Seemingly losing all sense of .... well .... sense!
Quote from: CoryCory on August 14, 2020, 08:54:35 PM
I'm sticking with my statement that by the time they tour again or put out a new album it's going to blow over. Few fans lost in the grand scheme of it all and those who are being vocal about it never liked the band to begin with.
I think that's exactly how it is. Just a silly storm in a teacup. No one really cares and any well adjusted music fan with any shred of normality wouldn't care either. I'll be surprised if the band lose any fans. Post Co-vid, the gigs will be just as packed out as normal and the limited edition vinyl editions will continue to sell like hotcakes.
Personally as a lefty I think Buzz gets a bit of a bad rap as a right-winger in what is ostensibly a lefty world (the music industry or any creative arts really) but he does have some infantile political views. The whole "Nazi's were socialists because it's in their name" thing is just flat out wrong and more some childish debating point.
Aside from being fascists (far-right) the people the Nazi's killed and tortured the most after Jews were communists (far-left), which lead to them trying to invade the USSR. It's the same as trying to claim that North Korea is a democracy because it's officially in their country's name.
Quote from: Bigval on August 14, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
Aside from being fascists (far-right) the people the Nazi's killed and tortured the most after Jews were communists (far-left), which lead to them trying to invade the USSR. It's the same as trying to claim that North Korea is a democracy because it's officially in their country's name.
I've always enjoyed making this point. There's so much bullshit out there it can take awhile to see through it all.
Quote from: Bigval on August 14, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
The whole "Nazi's were socialists because it's in their name" thing is just flat out wrong and more some childish debating point.
in buzz's defense, the early platforms of the Nazi party and what they were using to sell the idea to the people of germany DID contain a lot of the same talking points the socialists of today bring up: a sustainable minimum wage/jobs for all, increased pensions for retired people, affordable higher education for all, expanded government controlled healthcare (as opposed to being controlled by corporations) etc.
now granted, this all came with a price, and at the end of the day, a lot of it was bullshit based on hindsight and what they did.
i took his point (in the context of the interview) that he doesn't trust "the government" to run stuff, from EITHER angle. and he was using the "buyer beware" example of what happened from what was pitched by the people trying to gain influence by what they actually did.
Yes, the simplicity of "the nazi's were socialists, it's in their name" backfired immensely. I also don't think someone who is as big of a WWII buff as him actually BELIEVES that they were socialists when looking at what actually went down and they way they operated.
Socialism by it's very definition requires the government (or something like that to organize everything) that does not mean that that organization cannot ALSO be fascist in every other way possible. They are not mutually exclusive. there is a reason people like bernie sanders call themselves democratic socialists.
https://www.spin.com/2020/08/buzz-osborne-is-already-over-his-new-solo-album/ did this get posted already? Pretty much the same talking points regarding working with Trevor and how the album developed.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on August 15, 2020, 04:57:34 PM
https://www.spin.com/2020/08/buzz-osborne-is-already-over-his-new-solo-album/ did this get posted already? Pretty much the same talking points regarding working with Trevor and how the album developed.
wow, looks like someone is still interested into music :D
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on August 14, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
Unbelievable :facepalm:, but then again, not so much. Buzz has nothing to apologize for. I'm glad he's standing his ground. Fuck these liberal fuck-tards and their PC bullshit. Go to hell losers. I first noticed this shit brewing on he Electrical Audio forum, people shit talking Buzz over a 2 yr old interview where he said nothing wrong. There are quite a few extreme liberal cucks hanging out there.
Metalsucks.com is and has been an absolute embarrassment of a website. I bookmarked it awhile ago, just to read general "metal" headlines. They're getting worse every day. I've noticed they've been trying to go back and dig up any dirt on anyone for saying anything that's so called sexist/racist/ or not in view with the mainstream media(covid stuff).
Glad to see someone with common sense.
The left love to cancel, bully and suppress anyone with a differing view.
As long as the man isn't spreading racism, nazism or any personal hate speech. Who gives a shit about his political beliefs are as you say? Can't see why so many have an issue with opposing views.
It reminds me of Trump, who was an American icon of success and wealth....rap industry and many celebrated him as "winning"... until he announced he was a Republican and became a racist/second coming of Hitler overnight back in 2015/2016. :lol:
(I'm indifferent to Trump fwiw, but haven't seen any evidence of him being a racist much like poor old Buzz here copping this shit storm)
Quote from: (the) Razor on August 15, 2020, 08:30:13 PM
(I'm indifferent to Trump fwiw, but haven't seen any evidence of him being a racist
Really? No evidence?
Here's a good place to start.
Perhaps the definition of racism has changed?
Nothing racist there. Keep trying...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hEdkszgDA
No one's been able to link, quote or show anything he has done that's racist.
So it's baffling to many like myself and the guy above, where this actually comes from...
Who could argue with a fluff piece featuring a high on life body builder carrying a flag on the beach? I guess I've had it wrong all along. I should have listened to Kanye.
"Very fine people, on both sides."
Yeah, I know you'll probably knock this because it's wikipedia, but everything listed here is well documented. Try to imagine an bubbly body builder on the beach reading it to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
Quote from: (the) Razor on August 15, 2020, 10:40:30 PM
Perhaps the definition of racism has changed?
Nothing racist there. Keep trying...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hEdkszgDA
No one's been able to link, quote or show anything he has done that's racist.
So it's baffling to many like myself and the guy above, where this actually comes from...
His Presidential campaign was BIRTHED in racism. But you go on with your free-thinking self.
Quote from: sadcorps on August 16, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
His Presidential campaign was BIRTHED in racism. But you go on with your free-thinking self.
Yep how little we forget Donald Trump was the guy that started the 'Birther' movement against the President Barack Obama to try and discredit him before running himself. How anyone could deny Trump is a racist POS with a straight face is beyond me and that's even before getting to his 'build a wall' shit either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
And as a real estate developer in the seventies Trump was consistent with the whitewashing strong arm of New York continuing in the footsteps of the Bureau Authority. (Watch Motherless Brooklyn for a slightly fictionalized retelling of this true horror story.)
Willie D never disappoints.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qh5o4hG-Y
:lol:
You know thinking back I remember quite a few people here wanted Jello to cancel The Melvins or vice versa when they talked shit about him in a 1999 interview! :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's almost, almost, like we shouldn't take ourselves so seriously huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVvPhYtd0U8
Quote from: Bigval on August 16, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on August 16, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
His Presidential campaign was BIRTHED in racism. But you go on with your free-thinking self.
Yep how little we forget Donald Trump was the guy that started the 'Birther' movement against the President Barack Obama to try and discredit him before running himself. How anyone could deny Trump is a racist POS with a straight face is beyond me and that's even before getting to his 'build a wall' shit either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
False. It was people in Hillary's orbit that got the ball rolling back in the 2008 Dem primaries.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
Edit: Wtf, this thread is now about Trump. Shocking.
Quote from: dead mike on August 17, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
Edit: Wtf, this thread is now about Trump. Shocking.
I think I've heard of him before. Is he in the news or something? ;)
This interview had some really interesting stuff from Buzz. Certainly some comments he has never talked about before. Also, i've always wanted his phone to ring during one of these at home interviews and here finally it does!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYoG7pbuP98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3ngv78ddU
Quote from: Stonergrunge on August 26, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3ngv78ddU
Did anyone else catch the part where Buzz said before he met Mackie he was in a 7 year relationship, wanted to take a break from relationships and got married 9 months after the split? I assume that 7 year relationship was Lori?
Quote from: Pelican on September 03, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: Stonergrunge on August 26, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3ngv78ddU
Did anyone else catch the part where Buzz said before he met Mackie he was in a 7 year relationship, wanted to take a break from relationships and got married 9 months after the split? I assume that 7 year relationship was Lori?
IIRC Buzz got married in 92 or 93 so that would put Buzz/Lori from 1986 - 1992 so that sounds about right. Would also be a factor on why Lori's second tenure was so short.
Shitkid post on Facebook last week:
QuoteOnly a few BuzzKill fanzines left! Its ours and Buzz Os textmessages, leading up to him kicking us off as support on Melvins US tour. Both sides of the story. ^^ They didn't pay us for our work on the album collab BANGERS so now were trying to profit while getting the story out! TELL on the assholes!! ;)
link below
Quote from: Bigval on September 04, 2020, 03:41:53 AM
Shitkid post on Facebook last week:
QuoteOnly a few BuzzKill fanzines left! Its ours and Buzz Os textmessages, leading up to him kicking us off as support on Melvins US tour. Both sides of the story. ^^ They didn't pay us for our work on the album collab BANGERS so now were trying to profit while getting the story out! TELL on the assholes!! ;)
link below
Seems like if you get kicked off a tour, you must have done some really stupid bullshit.
Then you have to be replaced ($), advertising has to be redone ($), hotel rooms canceled ($), etc....all that adds up $$$.
Shitkid probably owes Melvins money.
30+years of touring the world and Shitkid is the only band they've kicked off tour, so, just sayin'.
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on September 09, 2020, 08:49:14 AM
30+years of touring the world and Shitkid is the only band they've kicked off tour, so, just sayin'.
Yes, that says quite a lot really. I can't wait to read these messages. I hope Shitkid didn't alter or twist the messages to make it look like they were the ones in the right. I just want to be able to read the honest, uncensored back and forth between them and make my own mind up.
Quote from: ))))(((( on September 09, 2020, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on September 09, 2020, 08:49:14 AM
30+years of touring the world and Shitkid is the only band they've kicked off tour, so, just sayin'.
Yes, that says quite a lot really. I can't wait to read these messages. I hope Shitkid didn't alter or twist the messages to make it look like they were the ones in the right. I just want to be able to read the honest, uncensored back and forth between them and make my own mind up.
I still have absolutely no idea what happened to cause the falling out but even though I'm a Melvins fan and don't agree with her trying to make money off of private text messages, Buzz falls out with virtually every one so it's hardly a surprise.
Which band replaced Shitkid on that tour? was the tour with Toshi and Redd Kross opening?
Quote from: black stallion on September 11, 2020, 01:30:50 AM
Which band replaced Shitkid on that tour? was the tour with Toshi and Redd Kross opening?
Yes
Quote from: Chief Ten Beers on August 14, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
Unbelievable :facepalm:, but then again, not so much. Buzz has nothing to apologize for. I'm glad he's standing his ground. Fuck these liberal fuck-tards and their PC bullshit. Go to hell losers. I first noticed this shit brewing on he Electrical Audio forum, people shit talking Buzz over a 2 yr old interview where he said nothing wrong. There are quite a few extreme liberal cucks hanging out there.
Metalsucks.com is and has been an absolute embarrassment of a website. I bookmarked it awhile ago, just to read general "metal" headlines. They're getting worse every day. I've noticed they've been trying to go back and dig up any dirt on anyone for saying anything that's so called sexist/racist/ or not in view with the mainstream media(covid stuff).
Woah there, pardner. You sound...dare I say it: quite triggered.
Quote from: dead mike on August 17, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
Quote from: Bigval on August 16, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
Quote from: sadcorps on August 16, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
His Presidential campaign was BIRTHED in racism. But you go on with your free-thinking self.
Yep how little we forget Donald Trump was the guy that started the 'Birther' movement against the President Barack Obama to try and discredit him before running himself. How anyone could deny Trump is a racist POS with a straight face is beyond me and that's even before getting to his 'build a wall' shit either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
False. It was people in Hillary's orbit that got the ball rolling back in the 2008 Dem primaries.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
Edit: Wtf, this thread is now about Trump. Shocking.
....says the guy coming in here to cry about wokeness, cancel culture, and white privilege. Then to top it off, you can't help yourself from rushing to the defense of Donald Trump. :lol:
we're dredging this shit up again? :lol: :facepalm:
Take the Trump talk to the Ecumenical Discussion area.