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Indeed. I imagine Buzz would thing we are crazy for even talking about it.

I've long wondered about this too. I've always believed that the intro AND the song are BOTH titled Black Stooges. That it's essentially one track which just split Dale's drum intro into a separate track. That makes the most sense to me.

I agree with you, but it's contradicted by the track listing on Bandcamp: https://melvinsofficial.bandcamp.com/album/hostile-ambient-takeover?t=7

(I've missed all you guys)

Here's a question that came up on the forum at discogs and I would love to hear your thoughts.

On Melvins' 2002 album Hostile Ambient Takeover, the titles of the first two tracks are causing some confusion. Here are the facts:

* Hostile Ambient Takeover starts with two tracks: Track 1, which is short (:31) and Track 2, which is long (5:58). (Track 1 is generally regarded as an intro to the latter)

* One of these is called Black Stooges, the other is not given a title

There are two possibilities:
A) The intro is "Black Stooges" and the long track is untitled
B) The intro is untitled and the long track is "Black Stooges"

Discogs and Musicbrainz have generally followed Case A, while Wikipedia and RateYourMusic have followed Case B.
After looking into things, I believed strongly enough in Case A that I edited the releases in the database. I should've made this forum post first, but didn't. My bad, I'm new at this. Hopefully we can work together to come to a good conclusion here.

The case for Case A:
* The tracklists on the CD and vinyl editions start as follows:
1. Black Stooges
3. Dr. Geek
This strongly indicates that the first track is Black Stooges and the second track does not have a title
* Ipecac's 2016 digital release of the album lists the first track as "Black Stooges" and the second track as "(Untitled)". This is true on Spotify, Amazon Music, Deezer, Soundcloud, and Bandcamp. (But not Apple Music for some reason)

The case for Case B:
* A promo copy of the album lists the second track as "Black Stooges" and the first track as "Intro"
* The 7" single release of the long track is titled Black Stooges. According to this guy, this release only contains the long track and not the intro
* When appearing on live albums, the long track is called "Black Stooges" on Melvins vs. Minneapolis and The End, and is called "Ol' Black Stooges" on Millenium Monsterwork
* As mentioned above, the long track is called Black Stooges on Apple Music

Since some of these facts contradict each other, assumptions have to be made when considering each case.

Case A (long track untitled) has to assume that:
1) The promo CD is wrong (This kind of thing does happen from time to time)
2) The two tracks were conceived as parts of a whole (Like the tracks on The Maggot), and "Black Stooges" in a way refers to both tracks, which is why the 7" single is called Black Stooges
3) The long track is referred to as "Black Stooges" in live setlists to avoid confusion

Case B (short track untitled) has to assume that:
1) When Ipecac released the album digitally, they mixed up the titles of the first two tracks and in seven years have never corrected it
2) Either:
a) All the physical tracklists are extremely complicated for no reason. "1 - Black Stooges" would have to imply that track 1 is not called Black Stooges, and is instead the intro to track 2, which is "Black Stooges", but track 1 is still labeled "Black Stooges" because the two tracks are part of a whole and the two tracks combine to form the complete Black Stooges, like the tracks on The Maggot. (But instead of both tracks having the same name like the tracks on The Maggot, track 1 is untitled for some reason)
OR
b) Every physical album's tracklist is wrong

I believe strongly in Case A, that the intro is "Black Stooges" and the long song is untitled. I find it very easy to believe that the band chose not to title the song (probably as a joke) back in 2002, but changed their minds later on and started calling it Black Stooges because that made more sense. While digital tracklists can occasionally have errors, I think Ipecac or the band would've noticed there was an error after 7 years and counting. (My guess for the Apple Music discrepancy is that someone working there manually changed it because they believe in Case B.
I'm not ruling out Case B entirely, but you have to jump through so many hoops to conclude that this tracklist means track 1 isn't called Black Stooges that I just find it incredibly implausible. The 7" single having a title is a pretty solid argument though.

If I've missed some important context, let me know. Again, sorry for editing everything before posting here, but I feel pretty strongly about this one.

https://youtu.be/_3zZCiCRxSA

Eponymous. Gone but never forgotten.

OMG. I have been gone a long time, haven't I?

Thanks for doing this, Grim! I love it.

And it still amazes me to see the Melvins not among the first names in that flyer but way down.

Yeah, Fishbone too. They're an amazing live band.

The Houdini version and the single version are the same exact studio tracks, only difference is they took out the bass and recorded it on Houdini and did a different mix of the final song. I personally prefer Joe's tone and the overall darker sounding mix of the 45 version. I think the Melvins did too, that's why the 45 version is on the Neither Here Nor There CD.

Interesting - never knew that it was just the bass track that was different.

I was in denial until i put both records on and played them in sync. They totally matched up.

I was in denial too. The single has a longer bass intro, then an extra section before the vocals start.

Hey smart people,. how long is the LP version of Divorced...the track sleeve for the LP is identical to the CD, except Everything after divorced doesnt make it on the press.

The version of Divorced on the Vinyl comes in after the synth pad at the beggining of the CD...how much shorter is the track.

On the CD, "Divorced" is 14:43, on the vinyl it is about 12:48.

New Question: Who has the posters with their vinyl!?!?

Yes, indeed.

Could be that it's the Euro version. the US version has a different barcode: 6 89230-00122 5
http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Gluey-Porch-Treatments/release/545946
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=545946

There's a few different pressings:
http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Stag/master/50785

Melvins cover of  "Lord of the Thighs" better be forthcoming.

That would be amazing.

The Breeders version put a different slant on it!

I seem to have lost CD2 of this excellent comp. Is anybody able to re-up it?

I can't remember who covered it, but someone did it on the first Small Stone "Sucking The '70s" compilation.

"Throttlerod"

they kinda ran out of gas after Now I got worry.
Peaked at Orange.
Amazing live way back when.

Peaked at Orange.      Puhleeze, they peaked at Extra Width.

first of all..  it's MO WIDTH.   second of all... I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually agree with pinkyslim on this one.

I'm just now hearing off these guys and I really like it!  I see they're playing in my area soon and was thinking of going but everyone thinks they peaked years ago.  Do any of you think they're still good live?

If you have never experienced the JSBE you should go!
Their drummer Russell Simmins is astounding.

The proper album was EXTRA WIDTH. Au Go Go in Australia released MO' WIDTH which was a bunch of outtakes from the Extra Width album.
http://www.allmusic.com/album/mo-width-r303365/review

Anyway, back in the day JSPX were an amazing live band, but had seemed to lose it in recent years. However, I saw them recently when they played ORANGE in its entirety and they were amazing. Interestingly, when they played a bunch of newer stuff for the encore, they seemed to have lost a bit of their power.

I miss Mark D. I don't really like "Gate" (and I haven't heard "Iraq") but his two albums are awesome. And I wish he would record more.