Live At Slims (The 8-Track)

[Dumpster D]

I remember the Captain pungents Melvins shack used to have a couple MP3's from this tape, It sounded like a cool show.

Haven't heard it in years. Brings me back!!! I love being a Melvins fanatic.

Thanks PepsiMike!!! 

[the bloat]

Thanks PepsiMike! Always wanted to hear this one 

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The sounds not super crisp but it's good enough. What an opener Manky is. Quite possibly the greatest Melvins song ever!

[Dumpster D]

The sounds not super crisp but it's good enough.

That's basically how 8-tracks are supposed to sound, The bottom end is MASSIVE on an 8-track, although you won't get that with a digitized version from the tape.

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The bottom end is massive because the top end is gone. Not like I know what I'm talking about.

Curious, though, are there any 8-tracksyhat are sought after for their sound? Surely there must be ONE record from the late 70s with a botched vinyl mix/master but an iconic 8-track mix?

[Dumpster D]

The bottom end is massive because the top end is gone. Not like I know what I'm talking about.

Curious, though, are there any 8-tracksyhat are sought after for their sound? Surely there must be ONE record from the late 70s with a botched vinyl mix/master but an iconic 8-track mix?

The high end was there, it was just a little more fragile than Vinyl and when the tape got worn the high end was more noticeably degraded because high frequency has a narrow waveform more than the lows. The 8-track tape could capture Low end more closely from the master tape reels than on a Vinyl so they had a Massive bottom end unlike anything on LP.

That, and no one ever cleaned their Tape heads and transports. 


As for 'alternate' versions...

There's some 8-track like Pink floyd animals for one. It's got a different Track featuring 'Snowy White' who appeared because he happened to be in the same studio at the time, down the hall.

You can look it up, there's a bunch of 8-tracks that had an extra or different version of tracks than what was put on the LP version.

Another thing is if your band wasn't as successful you could manage to get your album put out on 8-track tapes relatively cheaper than LP, so there's a lot of obscure rare shit on 8-track you'd be hard pressed to find on Vinyl (no pun intended)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vTpPqhOuM


All the versions I've ever heard had these repeating breaks between the tracks (listen to how "Manky" ends and "See How Pretty" starts between 4 and 5 minutes. Is that just a byproduct of whoever encoded the MP3s? Or did the 8-tracks from Life Is Abuse actually sound like that? I could see it being another throwback to the 8-track era.

[rimb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vTpPqhOuM


All the versions I've ever heard had these repeating breaks between the tracks (listen to how "Manky" ends and "See How Pretty" starts between 4 and 5 minutes. Is that just a byproduct of whoever encoded the MP3s? Or did the 8-tracks from Life Is Abuse actually sound like that? I could see it being another throwback to the 8-track era.

There was quite a detailed article/interview several years ago about putting these together and it's definitely an issue with the 8 tracks themselves.  I'm unfamiliar with the format so can't explain exactly what it is!

[vince furnier]

All the versions I've ever heard had these repeating breaks between the tracks (listen to how "Manky" ends and "See How Pretty" starts between 4 and 5 minutes. Is that just a byproduct of whoever encoded the MP3s? Or did the 8-tracks from Life Is Abuse actually sound like that? I could see it being another throwback to the 8-track era.

There was quite a detailed article/interview several years ago about putting these together and it's definitely an issue with the 8 tracks themselves.  I'm unfamiliar with the format so can't explain exactly what it is!

this is definitely caused by the format of 8-track itself. the album is split between 4 tracks (programs) on the tape. so, an album like Iron Butterfly - Inagadadavida would have side A which is an entire song itself would be split between racks 1 & 2.

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Thank you all for your input but none of you answered my question.

According to the discogs listings, the eight-track tapes used the four programs of the format thusly:

Program 1   
1-1      Manky   4:38
1-2      See How Pretty, See How Smart   8:07
1-3      Amazon   1:40
1-4      AMAZON   4:52
1-5      Let It All Be   4:09
Program 2   
2-1      Let God Be Your Gardener   2:08
2-2      Hog Leg   3:45
Program 3   
3-1      With Teeth   2:31
Bonus Tracks (If You're Lucky)   
3-2      The Bit   5:47
3-3      The Bloat   3:53
3-4      The Green Manalishi   6:12
Bonus Tracks (If You're REALLY Lucky)   
3-5      Lovely Butterfly   1:54
Program 4   
4-1      Jew Boy Flowerhead   6:35
4-2      Eye Flies

Each program on an eight-track is a full loop of audio tape. Other than the seam of that loop, it is supposed to be a continuous play format.

I remember my mother describing having an eight-track player in her car in the 70s. There were some albums where long songs or continuous programs (like live albums) would be broken up at less-than-ideal places to switch from one program to the next. I think she mentioned maybe Frampton Comes Alive had noticeable places where it would go vl-vl-vl-vlip as the tape looped back around, and you would switch to the next program.

With the Melvins, in the example I gave, that's not what happening. "Manky" and "See How Pretty" are on the same program. They're playing on the same stretch of tape in the same order they were performed. It's a little baffling that there's a fade-out and fade-in.

I guess it's possible Life Is Abuse spliced every song. But that seems like an unnecessary pain in the ass. I'm assuming it was originally transferred from some digital format.

[rimb]

Thank you all for your input but none of you answered my question.

According to the discogs listings, the eight-track tapes used the four programs of the format thusly:

Program 1   
1-1      Manky   4:38
1-2      See How Pretty, See How Smart   8:07
1-3      Amazon   1:40
1-4      AMAZON   4:52
1-5      Let It All Be   4:09
Program 2   
2-1      Let God Be Your Gardener   2:08
2-2      Hog Leg   3:45
Program 3   
3-1      With Teeth   2:31
Bonus Tracks (If You're Lucky)   
3-2      The Bit   5:47
3-3      The Bloat   3:53
3-4      The Green Manalishi   6:12
Bonus Tracks (If You're REALLY Lucky)   
3-5      Lovely Butterfly   1:54
Program 4   
4-1      Jew Boy Flowerhead   6:35
4-2      Eye Flies

Each program on an eight-track is a full loop of audio tape. Other than the seam of that loop, it is supposed to be a continuous play format.

I remember my mother describing having an eight-track player in her car in the 70s. There were some albums where long songs or continuous programs (like live albums) would be broken up at less-than-ideal places to switch from one program to the next. I think she mentioned maybe Frampton Comes Alive had noticeable places where it would go vl-vl-vl-vlip as the tape looped back around, and you would switch to the next program.

With the Melvins, in the example I gave, that's not what happening. "Manky" and "See How Pretty" are on the same program. They're playing on the same stretch of tape in the same order they were performed. It's a little baffling that there's a fade-out and fade-in.

I guess it's possible Life Is Abuse spliced every song. But that seems like an unnecessary pain in the ass. I'm assuming it was originally transferred from some digital format.

Again, not sure on this question exactly, but I'm pretty sure that not all of 8-tracks ended up the same - some had more tracks, some had less.