what album is stag more like? is it more like stoner witch? houdini? GTP? what?
im gonna buy it but, if its like stoner witch im not gonna cause im not a stoner witch fan.
it's like no other actually heh
it kinda stands alone
More like a Sabbath and Mr. Bungle influenced Houdini, if that makes any sense...
Maybe like 5% similar to Stoner Witch. But yeah it pretty much stands alone
Quote from: melvins got poop?what album is stag more like? is it more like stoner witch? houdini? GTP? what?
Stag is a good album man,all songs, i like Skin Horse, first and second part,The bit .the goat too...great songs.get Houdini or Eggnog later.....
For being one of the least-heavy Melvins albums, Stag does have Goggles, Perhaps the most unbelievably abrasive song I've ever heard.
If I had to compare Stag to anything, it would be HAT. Only it's more diverse. The horns on Bar-X threw me for a big loop the first time I heard it. Not what you'd expect after Houdini and Stoner. I think it's really the first album that they really began making music that would be fabulous for film. Stoner and Houdini have a few of those moments, but Stag has "hide", "yacob's Lab", "soup", "Sterilized", and "Lacrimosa"(can't you imagine this in a horror flick?), and so many sections of "Tipping the Lion" and "Black Bock" were completely new directions for the band.
I love Stag. I get inspired every time I hear it. No one else on this planet could have written Stag. There have been plenty of shots at Lysol, but no one will ever even approach Stag. And it's out of print. What a disaster. Good thing there are about 500,000 promos of them out there.
goggles
i love goggles :)
I'm partial to capt. pungent and Berthas myself.
i'd think the bootlicker would be the least heaviest album, not stag
It's their Sgt Peppers. Good album, I was just thinking about listening to it.
I would say its a blend of houdini, stoner witch, honky and hat. But it doesnt sound like those albums blended together. Its an original album. And their clearest production too.
I don't know, the production might be too good. Like eating a really rich piece of cheesecake.
And yeah, I have a bitchin promo copy.
so if i go out to the store, they wont have stag there?
cuz its out of print?
they might not. but maybe. my store has a good selection of their other albums and they don't have it. amazon will.
you might find it cheap on ebay :shock: :shock: :shock:
Quote from: The Chalupai'd think the bootlicker would be the least heaviest album, not stag
Probably right. S'why I said 'one of'.
I got my copy on ebay for $8, shipping included. Big ol' gold stamp on the cover with threats from Atlantic. I'd like to see them 'demand' this copy back.
I do enjoy that album. How about their Ween-like satire on old blues on Cottonmouth. Filler, but hilarious.
Quote from: moorstQuote from: The Chalupai'd think the bootlicker would be the least heaviest album, not stag
Probably right. S'why I said 'one of'.
I got my copy on ebay for $8, shipping included. Big ol' gold stamp on the cover with threats from Atlantic. I'd like to see them 'demand' this copy back.
yea, my promo copy for s&m by metallica has the same thing on it
www.cdplanet.no <--get it here :)
Love this album. :D
what the fuck is this?! 40 bucks for a fucking stag album.
i phoned and asked how much it was, they moaned it was a german import that costs $38.99 that truly is a fucking rip off and im totally pissed.
thats the only store i can find stag and its the album i want most.
just a month ago it was $28.99
jesus christ... sorry for my bitching but, thats not right.
Order it from Amazon UK...it's only a tenner or so...
only 40 bucks?
well, here , Brasil ,Stag or other Melvins Albuns 50U$
very expansive.....
if you wanna, i can copy this to you.
B+P :D
B+P = blank plus postage yes beto??
Quote from: anacondaB+P = blank plus postage yes beto??
yes, is this!
i got mine used for $7
Quote from: Reverend EbeneezerOrder it from Amazon UK...it's only a tenner or so...
Quote from: turnacusHow about their Ween-like satire on old blues on Cottonmouth.
Ever listen to Black Sabbath Sabatoge? It's one of Sabbath's best IMO.
At the very end is a hidden track, un-named, where a strange voice (it could be Ozzy), is singing "Blow on a Jug".
Cottonmouth reminds me of this hidden track.
I wonder if Cottonmouth off Stag is some sort of tribute to "Blow on a Jug?"
I got mine 3 years ago at a music store in the mall, since I couldn't find it anywhere and it was before I used ebay. I payed like $17.99 for it there. :x
ahahaha 40 and 50 US... here it's less than 20 canadian...
Best Melvins album too!
Quit bullshitting us Grimreaper. There's no hidden track at the end of "The Writ"
i think on the lp version there is
Quote from: klumpwww.cdplanet.no <--get it here :)
Or here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002J8Y/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/026-3092678-9147643) if you want to pay less.
Seem this LP is very much in print unless you live in the US.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzoahahaha 40 and 50 US... here it's less than 20 canadian...
Best Melvins album too!
no, i live in canada also.
so its40 canadian
pottyfuck...what would your mother say?
Quote from: Wise Shotgunpottyfuck...what would your mother say?
she said, "WHAT! 40 BUCKS?!"
i live in the goddamn US
i bought it for less than 20 canadian dumbass.... just cause you see it one place for 40 doesn't mean it's 40 everywhere in canada... stupid fuck.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzoi bought it for less than 20 canadian dumbass.... just cause you see it one place for 40 doesn't mean it's 40 everywhere in canada... stupid fuck.
i phoned every place i can find, no one has it they dont have it on their computers so they cant order it, you fucking raging dog.
calm yourself, asshole.
Chill out fellas. Have some MORE BEER.
I always wanted to know who sang on "Solitude."
Quote from: eddieQuit bullshitting us Grimreaper. There's no hidden track at the end of "The Writ"
There is.
Thanks for the headsup, btw, Grimreaper. I was confused where have I heard that song before when I heard A.C.'s version of it on that Hydrahead Black Sabbath tribute...
Quote from: eddieI always wanted to know who sang on "Solitude."
actually, ozzy does
http://www.black-sabbath.com
i hope they do rip your ass off and it sell it to you for 40!
You are quite the faggot man...
Quote from: Dr. Gonzoi hope they do rip your ass off and it sell it to you for 40!
You are quite the faggot man...
You are quiYou are quite the faggot mante the faggot manYou are quite the faggot manYou are quite the faggot manYou are quite the faggot manYou are quite thYou are quite the faggot mane faggot manYou are quite the faggot mYou are quite the faggot mananYou are quite the faggot man
Quote from: Dr. Gonzoi hope they do rip your ass off and it sell it to you for 40!
You are quite the faggot man...
wow, you hurt me so bad by calling me a faggot.
i think ill cry like the faggot i am and tell all my problems to my mommy.
because im not A REAL MAN LIKE YOU WHO EATS RAW MEAT AND CAN BENCHPRESS TWO LOGS AND WATCH THE GOOD OL' FOOTBALL GAME ALL DAY.
your pretty low man, small minded fuck.
your head is based around hate.
Quote from: pottyfuckbecause im not A REAL MAN LIKE YOU WHO EATS RAW MEAT AND CAN BENCHPRESS TWO LOGS AND WATCH THE GOOD OL' FOOTBALL GAME ALL DAY..
now that is some funny shit!!! c'mon Gonzo lay off the dude, he's damn funny!
why thank you :wink:
I just got it today, used at Rasputin Music. Something I noticed about the front cover was odd.
In gold print, the words "For promotional use only. Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of recording company" appear, all in caps.
What's this all about? Is this standard, or do I have some promo copy?
Yeah, that's a promo. Chances are some music critic/journalist sold it after having listened to it/reviewed it.
Supposedly, that can't be sold, but eh - who the Hell cares.
Quote from: GrindfagYeah, that's a promo. Chances are some music critic/journalist sold it after having listened to it/reviewed it.
Supposedly, that can't be sold, but eh - who the Hell cares.
So is it worth anything extra? :twisted:
Well, I guess you could say you got it cause you're a music critic and try to impress some people (preferably, of the female type) by pretending you're a journalist on a pub talk, or something.
But other than that, it doesn't have that much of a rarity value, I'm afraid.
but ju k'n shub it up yoiut ass :lol:
Quote from: GrindfagYeah, that's a promo. Chances are some music critic/journalist sold it after having listened to it/reviewed it.
Supposedly, that can't be sold, but eh - who the Hell cares.
FAGGOT!
how ya doin' Fabreeze?
:shock: PIGLET!!!!!
How's life treatin' you? I haven't been to that board in a while.
isn't the flower on the cover in different spots on each of the releases? (Cd,cassette,Lp)
Why is STAG so hard to come by? It was an Atlantic release, and there are plenty of HOUDINIs and STONERWITCHs still floating around... I can't finds me a copy of STAG anywhich-a-wheres; and it's bringing me down. (like I was so many ducklings)
hopefully, there will be a Ipecacian re-release.
Bless those good folks at Ipecac.
Order it from amazon.co.uk, it's budget priced and they ship worldwide.
It's deleted in the US, I'm afraid. However, in the UK at least it's still as common as anything, so as the poster before me said, order it from a worldwide source...
Quote from: grachanOrder it from amazon.co.uk, it's budget priced and they ship worldwide.
1. Bit
2. Hide
3. Bar X the rocking M
4. Bloat
5. Black bock
6. Tipping the lion
7. Cotton mouth
8. Bertha
9. Captain Pungent
10. Skin horse
11. Lacrimosa
12. Sterilized
13. Buck Owens
14. Soup
15. Goggles
16. Yacob's lab
That's the order they had the songs on that site. It's a great listen.
if you're lucky www.half.com may have it used for a reasonable price
I was listening to Stag again last night and think it is genuinely a brilliant album. Now I only have the Atlantic albums so far and was wondering:
Considering all the Melvins albums, is Stag a standout album? Is it noticably different from the rest? Is it like a one-off?
I think Hide is a beautiful piece of instrumental. Cottonmouth brings a smile to my face and Tipping the Lion freakin' awesome.
What are the b-sides like on the singles for the album? Is it sort of the same?
What a bloody shame I discovered this band 20 years after they formed!
There is nothing else like Stag in terms of variety. You get it all here! I hear from this board that if you like this you will like "The Silent Treatment" by Mark D.
B-sides? You know something I don't? As far as I know the only 'single' that exists is a promo EP for Bar-X or The Bit with 3 other album tracks. Mind you, I'm a lazy sod and can't be arsed to look in the discography section so I might be wrong...
In any case, Stag is pretty unique I'm afraid. Well, Prick is probably the most similar but only in the way that it has a great deal of variety, but then Prick isn't anywhere near as 'musical' as Stag. The Melvs were on to a great thing with Mark D, and it's a shame that Buzz booted him. No disrespect to Kevin, but the Atlantic trilogy are far and away the best Melvins records.
Mind you, if you're after a thrill similar Stag's precursor, Stoner Witch, I'd suggest Hostile Ambient Takeover...
There are no B-sides per se, but Tipping the Lion B aka Tipping the Lion on Electroretard, Interstellar Overdrive, In the Rain, and Specimen all came from the same sessions. Weird how they didn't credit Mark D in the Electroretard credits.
Atlantic era was by far the best...
but the ipepac trilogy is killer and HAT rules... Damn, if only they'd stayed the Mark D way though. Some of the best music I've ever heard.
Quote from: Dr. GonzoAtlantic era was by far the best...
but the ipepac trilogy is killer and HAT rules... Damn, if only they'd stayed the Mark D way though. Some of the best music I've ever heard.
Indeed, although I felt that the Ipecac trilogy could in no way stand up to the Atlantic releases simply because they counted Crybaby as part of it...Also, while we're at it, anyone think that Bootlicker is really Kevin's album? There's so much bass and so little guitar it seems like a record where Kevin aimed to 'prove himself'...
I will concur by saying Stag and Stoner Witch are the Melvins' most accessable releases musically. Stag, in my opinion is a Melvins standout album for its variety and studiowork that was used to produce it, as it was the most experimental broadening of their sound to date. When I first saw the Melvins live in 96, I had a chance to talk to Buzz before the show and he was quite happy with Stag; he said it was their best album so far. Of course, Buzz does say this about all of their albums though. Fear not though, I am confident the Melvins will continue to enthrall us with challenging records. I just think Stag is a standout for them. The other notable mentions from their catalog are: H.A.T., Snivlem, Colossus Of Destiny, Electroretard; and even Joe Preston's Melvins solo. These recordings are showcases to the Melvins' willingness to experiment, much to the chagrin of some.
very well written and expressed simon. cool!
p.s. the Mark D era of the band will never be matched.
People don't know it but Prick, Honky, the Atlantic releases
all have his heavy hand all over them! he was a better
pure rock lead guitarist than Buzz at the time that Stag was
recorded. People also don't realize that Mark was their main
live soundman/studio tech guy since 91 before he even
joined the band.
the Kevin era has begun and he is a totallty different trip.
Just as exciting but in his own twisted way.
Anyways I think we haven't heard the last of Mark D.
Quote from: anaconda
Anyways I think we haven't heard the last of Mark D.
i hope not
Quote from: eddieThere is nothing else like Stag in terms of variety. You get it all here! I.
Stag contains varied styles, it's true, but the sound is homogeneous. That makes its unit .
(hi ! i'm new to the board) :D
I truly love Houdini and almost all of Stag...But Stoner Witch gets far fewer plays due to a little song on there that I can't stand..It makes my skin crawl with it's awfulness...Revolve. It's annoying having to turn a song right down but it really makes me cringe. For me it's the lowest point in their entire career.
Quote from: anacondap.s. the Mark D era of the band will never be matched.
People don't know it but Prick, Honky, the Atlantic releases
all have his heavy hand all over them! he was a better
pure rock lead guitarist than Buzz at the time that Stag was
recorded. People also don't realize that Mark was their main
live soundman/studio tech guy since 91 before he even
joined the band.
the Kevin era has begun and he is a totallty different trip.
Just as exciting but in his own twisted way.
Anyways I think we haven't heard the last of Mark D.
I cannot believe that I forgot to add Honky to the list! It is an experimental standout as well and is one of my favorite Melvins release.
By the way, Anaconda, thank you for the compliment concerning my post.
As far as I am concerned, Mark D's 'The Silent Treatment' is very disappointing. It sounds like Melvins, but there's definitely something missing. I've tried to like it and listened to it again and again, but it just washes over me and the songs just don't 'stick'.
your crazy man! if it was buzz singing those songs you'd proably fall over your own tongue ranting how great a CD it is. Buzz or not the music on that CD is excellent.
Quote from: ...._____......_______...your crazy man! if it was buzz singing those songs you'd proably fall over your own tongue ranting how great a CD it is. Buzz or not the music on that CD is excellent.
Amen. And funny post, chap.
just curious...what is it like to see buzz/mike singing skin horse live?
hey what do you guys think of stag?? it is their most experimental album i have come across, what do you think of it?
On the whole I love it...obviously, someparts of it are pretty throwaway but the good stuff is indeed, very good. By the by, if you think Stag's experimental, check out Honky, Prick and Collossus of Destiny...Heh!
Stag was my 3rd album I bought and I don't like it.
I love it.
It's musical briliance from start to finish apart from the track maybe with the earaching synth sounds. Don't have Honky so can't really compare...
HUGE difference from an album like Bullhead though.
You should actually get HAT next if you don't already have. Took me ages to get into it but it's along the same lines in a minor way.
:arrow:
I love it. It's not one of my Top 5, but I do really fuckin' like it. There's a cuople of absolutelty killer songs near the end. It's my wife's favorite MELVINS disc, so I play it a lot.
I wouldn't say it was their most expiremental though. Like the Rev says, some others top it easily.
Probably my favourite....
My favors :
1
I really love Stag as a whole. I think it is one of the band's favorite albums also. It's definitely the best of the 3 on Atlantic. If you see it at a store grab it, I had to pay $35.00 for my copy on line.
my favorite of atlantic is houdini
I love the Mark D era so much!! He made them explore and expand.
That being said, I love the Kevin era even more! The trilogy, HAT!!,
Electroretard.
Still tho!, Honky, Prick and Fucker Club have Mark D all over them!!!
And lets not mention that I stalk Joe Preston in cyberspace for what
strings he uses on his warlock! I OWN A WARLOCK too!!
The melvins have been defined by their bassist as much as they
have by dale or buzz if you really think about it.
each one was different but each bassist had a sound and story!!
the melvs always use the best thats at their disposal at that moment
in time.
yea i have only listened to the record once, i agree that it is musical genuis as all melvins albums are, but i came away saying to myself that is so differnt than houdini and H.A.T and 26 songs. does it take a while to get into???
Stag is good.
not my favorite though.
I still love bullhead so much.
Stag is their best, in my opinion.
H A T
:D :D :D :D :D :D
To be honest, I can't argue with that assertion either. HAT is a bad ass record. HAT and Stag are similar beasts in my eyes.
HAT is an awsome record, it got me hooked on the melvins! just stag is a little more experimental than HAT, cmon everybody who is a melvins fan would agree that the bit, is a goddamn awsome song write?
Stag is indeed a brilliant record. Probably my most played Melvins disc. I liken it to the Beatles White Album, without the pretention. The Mark D era was, to me, the classic Melvins era. My favorite melvins recordings are from the time Mark was in the band.
BTW, I recently picked up Mark D's solo record. Lots of people commented that if you like Stag, you would also like his solo record. I have only given it a few listens so far... have not made up my mind yet...
Quote from: DubEMCI really love Stag as a whole. I think it is one of the band's favorite albums also. It's definitely the best of the 3 on Atlantic. If you see it at a store grab it, I had to pay $35.00 for my copy on line.
I just got it for $2.
Good deal Notta. You definitely got your money's worth!
Yea!! One of the perks of working at a music store!!!!
you free promo weasel!! :o hi there and welcom,
i run the shit on this side of the bored :lol:
goggles
Quote from: over_from_undergroundHAT is an awsome record, it got me hooked on the melvins! just stag is a little more experimental than HAT
I dunno. A lot of things happen on Stag, but a lot of things happen on HAT, too. Hell, a lot of things happen on The Anti-Vermin Seed alone.
stag is heavy metal
hat is not
:)
no its melvins :P
That's too simple. Stag really only has a few heavy songs. HATs plenty heavy, just not in a churning way. But neither of them are metal records, imo.
Question: If HAT isn't the closest thing to Stag in their catalog, then what is?
the bit is metal, you can't deny it, but thats nothing wrong :roll:
QuoteQuestion: If HAT isn't the closest thing to Stag in their catalog, then what is?
stoner witch
stag is way more heavier than HAT. Hat is noisy and sometimes slow, but not heaaaavy.
a heavy music dozent need to be rocky, rough, fast and bla bla bla bla
fer example antivermin, thats heaaaaaavy...
or shevil is heavy too
Quote from: beee54my favorite of atlantic is houdini
i same with you beee! :)
Stag is a good mix of experimentation and rock. I like that recod alot. That being said I definately see the similarity between Stag and Hat. The thing with Hat though is it flows really well, it sounds like a full complete idea more than just a collection of songs. It's sounds fucking heavy live too. Why do people hate on on Houdini, is it because of it's connection to Cobain ? That album is sooooo tight!
I love stag man. this one is my favorite, so I can recommend this to people who never listened to melvins. There are many different kind of songs, and they are all great!!!!Go to the odyssey :P
Quote from: kurvafer example antivermin, thats heaaaaaavy...
or shevil is heavy too
I completely agree. The Anti-Vermin Seed and The Fool, The Meddling Idiot totally make HAT a heavy record.
it looks like you have diffrent definition about what is heavy and what is not :)
well, i think there isnt such a difference
i think if you are "one of us", like you you are, you would agree that smooth, quiet songs can rock too
im gonna offend me
if you compare meshuggah to slipknot you can also compare melvins to metallica :)
im not comparing them to fecallica
i said they look and sound like that kind of bands
melvins sound like metallica then :)
Quoteand its no use, they just arent
Did you give them a listen at all?
In another thread you stated that you went to their website, took a quick look at it and decided it was not for you.
Just curious to know on what grounds you are basing your opinion.
Quote from: kurvaim not comparing them to fecallica
i said they look and sound like that kind of bands
how can slipknot and meshuggah be compared, other than the fact they both have guitars and drums? slipknot is more groove oriented and melodic and meshuggah is pure math metal(alot of industrial influence)
yes, i didnt give them a second try, yes im such cock
theyre maybe inovative or what, but i dont care (fer now)
can you forgive me?
Quote from: kurvayes, i didnt give them a second try, yes im such cock
theyre maybe inovative or what, but i dont care (fer now)
can you forgive me?
forgiven. :D
So I just laid hands on a copy of stag tonight. With the exception of Tipping the Lion, The Bit and Bar-x, most of what presented itself to me was new...and Yowza. Now immeadietly what came to mind was some of the harsh criticisms laid against this album and how I was reluctant to drop a bunch of dough on something that people were so divided on.
The fact of the matter is...this may very well be one of my favorite albums. There's a really bizarre sense of continuity to the whole thing, some of the tracks seem to blend into one another, particularly Captain Pungent and Berthas. I actually had to look up from the book that I was reading and check the CD player because I wasn't sure.
Things like the Bloat and Skin Horse are, I think, representative of a band that is ultimately fearless and content to do exactly as it please, regardless of being under the umbrella of a gigantic corporate pop-machine (i.e. Atlantic records).
I might even go as far as to say that Stag is, in fact a perfect representation of what the Melvins are all about... :shock:
EXACTLY!!!
Berthas you can hear their KISS influence so well in it... if you listen to berthas and then Detroit Rock City you can tell the similarities.
the bloat is such a kick ass song :)
sorry, just had to add this :D
woohoo! i like to rock out to "soup" and anticipate the sounds of those little bubbles popping! headbanging material all the way! :lol: :lol:
Stag is probally my second favorite Melvins album. It's just a musical journey. I love it... :)
Quote from: Leroywoohoo! i like to rock out to "soup" and anticipate the sounds of those little bubbles popping! headbanging material all the way! :lol: :lol:
I always think of a chemist in a lab making evil potions.
GOGGLES!!!!!!
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
I can't see how anybody can critcize Stag. It is one of the Melvins' best albums. The sheer dynamics and experimentation is testament enough to that. Black Bock is my fave. Its brutal chorus breakdown is downright ominous.
Brooklyns Finest PoonTang said it
also
STERILIZED
SOUP
the second half of Skin Horse is my favor stag song.
ammmmmmmmazing!!
My favourite Melvins CD.
Check out Honky if you haven't.... it's consistent and a bit similar to stag.
Quote from: Dr. GonzoMy favourite Melvins CD.
Check out Honky if you haven't.... it's consistent and a bit similar to stag.
I fuckin LOVE honkey. My second fave melvins record. the first fave always changes for me, but honkey will always remain my second fave.
Yup, I'm going to have to agree with Brooklyn's Finest and Dr. Gonzo on this one: Honky is most assuredly a fine piece of work. :x Mombius is one of my favorite Melvins songs, quick and to the point. And Lovely Butterfly has some of the coolest lyrical content of anything, ever. :oops:
i will start by saying lovely butterflies [both versions] is one of my favorite things in the world. (not just songs, mind you)
i will end by saying that stag as a whole often makes me think about chemists, labs, scientists, and voodoo, somehow all together. i'm sure everyone else feels the same. the art probably helps that.
the opening/extended slide-bass noise bit at the start of "the fool, the meddling idiot" always makes me think of roman gladatorial combat :)
goggles and sterilized makes me think of the universum, aliens, that kinda stuff
can you imagine a film like Alien I with a better script (non-hollycrap) with Giger artowork and with this music?
holy motafaka
I don't get images in my head, I just listen to the music. :P
THE BIT
I just listened to Stag (on mp3) and damn, this is the best melvins album ever. Its noisy, rocky, heavy, dark and at the same time funny. Its like all melvins album put into one.
Goggle is the darkess song I ever heard.
But its also the only melvins albun I dont have on cd. Is it out of order or Atlantic still sell it? Cause I cant find it. I found Lysol easier to get than this one.
:(
I wanna get it bad.
That's weird that you just made a new post called "Stag" and I posted that one just after you that I was thinking of buying it.
Fucking weird.
Quote...noisy, rocky, heavy, dark and at the same time funny...
simply: POP album
Stag is out of print in North America, I believe you can still order/have it imported from the UK, etc. though.
www.amazon.co.uk has it.
Yo, Stag is a weird album. Some of the stuff I love but some of it I dislike entirely.
Positive: Everything Past Yacobs Lab (especially Tipping the Lion, Captain Pungent + Berthas)
Negative: Bit, Bar-x the Rocking M
those 2 songs ain't no good in my opinion.
Where I'm really divided though is SKin Horse. I love the song butat the same time there are parts that I don't like. Perhaps this dichotomy is what makes this song so engaging. If you haven't listened to it in a while I suggest you check it out.
Try listening again man.
Stag is a great album.
I also like the second part on Skin horse.
My advice for skin horse, listen it again and again and again and you will see the second part is really great.
???????
There's actually somebody who does not like The Bit?
the bit is fucking awesome! bar x the rocking m too! i love the trombone 8)
my favourite song on stag is Buck owens!
the second part of skin horse makes me think of bj
goggles 8)
I find The Bit and Bar-X sound like lame metal. Bar-X reminds me most of Faith No More, now don't get me wrong, I love FNM, even the later stuff but I don't want to hear the Melvins do it.
My favourite part of Skin Horse is the end.
Welcome Mascara. That's a cool avatar. Fast and Bulbous!
Quote from: DubEMCWelcome Mascara. That's a cool avatar. Fast and Bulbous!
Thank you man! :D
...that's right the mascara snake! 8)
do you know what i love about music?
that people like different stuff...and that the melvins can actually provide stuff for all of us :)
i mean, there 20 albums or so you can jump around and listen to :)
melvins fans are lucky bitches :roll:
Stag is a fantastic album, packed with top class schizophrenic variety. Listen, relisten and listen to it again.
WHEN you have finally fallen in love with it you should purchase Honky for even more quality personality disorderliness.
Imagine the Melvins' music was embodied as a human being. It would be one fucked up thing!
No, I'm not stoned...
Berthas is probably my favorite track on it, but not relating it to anything ... but it does sound a lot like detroit rock city.
Gimme 46, gimme 45...
Quote from: spread regal beagleNegative: Bit, Bar-x the Rocking M
Honestly, I find those songs sort of embarassing. And I don't think listening to them more makes them better. They're most likable on a first listen, and get worse the more you listen.
I'm not saying they suck. But they're a bit boring.
Stag is a fine album with many varied moods and textures. I like the whole damn CD
i dont like that trombone song too... it aint very melviny to me... :)
lacrimosa is one of my alltime melvins faves
and goggles and sterilized
.. and buck owens
i dont care that much about songs like The Bit, Hide, Bar-X-The Rocking M, Yacobs Lab, The Bloat, ... pop rock...
Quote from: alnisQuote from: spread regal beagleNegative: Bit, Bar-x the Rocking M
Honestly, I find those songs sort of embarassing. And I don't think listening to them more makes them better. They're most likable on a first listen, and get worse the more you listen.
I'm not saying they suck. But they're a bit boring.
that's exactly how i feel about those songs
I have Honky and it's one of my favorites, there are little to no weak moments. For stag, i'd say a quarter of it is weak. and yea, the bit Bar-x are like that, cool the first listen, but the get worse and worse.
ok???
some people are just born with no taste
eller smak i r
Stag is a very good album. I think the two songs you have an unfavorable opinion of are good in my opinion. To each his own concerning the Melvins I guess.
i love the whole thing.
and goggles is beautiful
i just found out that the trombone on bar x is from a guy in fishbone.
fishbone rules
Goggles is my favorite track of that.
i think its a great Melvins cd.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzosome people are just born with no taste
we are sorry
Quote from: steve ludlowi just found out that the trombone on bar x is from a guy in fishbone.
On the Stag CD sleeve I thought it said that Dale played trumpet on Bar X?
Quote from: Lorax BricklebritOn the Stag CD sleeve I thought it said that Dale played trumpet on Bar X?
yea...that's what we are saying. they guy from fishbone. what kind of a fucking idiot are you? can't you follow a simple conversation?
jesus FUCKING christ!
Quote from: VcavalloQuote from: Lorax BricklebritOn the Stag CD sleeve I thought it said that Dale played trumpet on Bar X?
yea...that's what we are saying. they guy from fishbone. what kind of a fucking idiot are you? can't you follow a simple conversation?
jesus FUCKING christ!
???
Quote from: DudbeanQuote from: kurvaQuote from: VcavalloQuote from: Lorax BricklebritOn the Stag CD sleeve I thought it said that Dale played trumpet on Bar X?
yea...that's what we are saying. they guy from fishbone. what kind of a fucking idiot are you? can't you follow a simple conversation?
jesus FUCKING christ!
???
I second that '???'. I'm confused.
maybe Dale's in Fishbone....hmm
this thread is gay :P
***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE
Skin Horse rocks in it's entirety. I'm convinced. I played it for a friend last night real loud and shit and it fuckin rocked the house down!
Quote from: spread regal beagle***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE***********UPDATE
Skin Horse rocks in it's entirety. I'm convinced. I played it for a friend last night real loud and shit and it fuckin rocked the house down!
LOL! Good call....good song...
Quote from: beeethis thread is gay :P
you are gay...
people that say threads are gay are gay
people that say that people that say threads are gay are gay are gay...
yes stag is pure amazing but thats just beating a dead horse as through time ive fallen in love with every melvins album (cept prick, i still cant get into it)
prick it n flick it :lol:
no, on the cd it does not say dale plays trumpet, it says dirty hal or or some weird (you ever have that thing when you can't figure out how to spell a word you use every day?i just had that with weird,& i'm still not sure if it's right) name. filthy marvin or something. i got this tidbit of info in a interview i had never read. i think the site was metrotimes.com.
it's walter adam kibby ii from fishbone.
Quote from: Green Honeyit's walter adam kibby ii from fishbone.
is that Dale's real name??
I don't get it???
(i do get it I'm just foolin)
Quote from: Green Honeyit's walter adam kibby ii from fishbone.
It's a high honour for the Melvins to be associated with the mighty 'Bone, I must say. As a longer time fan of Fishbone I'm ashamed of my ignorance of this.
Great fucking thread.
Quote from: idiotboyQuote from: beeethis thread is gay :P
you are gay...
people that say threads are gay are gay
people that say that people that say threads are gay are gay are gay...
And don't forget the people who create gay threads. They're definately far from straight.
Not to mention the people that post in gay threads.
Quote from: Dr. GonzoQuote from: idiotboyQuote from: beeethis thread is gay :P
you are gay...
people that say threads are gay are gay
people that say that people that say threads are gay are gay are gay...
And don't forget the people who create gay threads. They're definately far from straight.
Not to mention the people that post in gay threads.
But strangely enough - gays are not gay
It's a trombone, not a trumpet, isn't it?
And Dale "sings" it live.
Dirty Walt is what the cd says.
"the bit" is one of the greatest melvins songs ever written, and one of the greatest rock songs of the 90's by any band. anyone who doesn't like it worries me. merry christmas.
Quote from: EponymousAnd Dale "sings" it live.
kevin tries too, but he ends up just looking like he's trying to make out with the mike.
the Bloat is a damn fine song! and Stag is a great ending chapter to
the Atlantic trilogy, I see the 3 Atlantic releases as the original trilogy,
a set, much like the Maggot/Bootlicker/Crybaby trio
A good analogy Conda, but Prick throws a wrench in the works, came out between Houdini and Stoner Witch
:roll:
I guess it's the Melvins " Star Wars Holiday Special "
prick wasn't on the atlantic label.....
And it's always been known as the first trilogy anne... hence people calling it the Atlantic trilogy. To me, it's when the Melvins reached their peak. I consider Mark D to have been just important as the other 2 members. It makes me quite mad he had to leave.... close to if Dale or Buzz had to leave, except they were in from the beginning so they're much more important and it's buzz's band basically, so they'd be nothing without him. Mark D's bass on those albums was equally important as Buzz's guitar at times. To me, he became 1/3 of the Melvins, and noone has been fully able to fill that void.
That's what I meant about Prick throwing a wrench into the whole trilogy example.
Skinhorse is one of their all-time top 10 songs,
just ask any Melvins fan.
Mark D was cool but kevin floors them all i reckon. he's the most equal member they've had and the most exciting to listen to. He plays they're doomy stuff so much cooler than anybody else and obviously kicks ass on the punky stuff. What's with that bell he has on his bass?
I love stag but i find that i listen to the atlantic stuff the least 'cos they have the most commercial sounding production.
it's not that it's not interesting (far from it) but it has this sort of glaze that covers it all up.
H.A.T is my favourite for production. that and The Maggot
guess i'm going off the subject.
shut up faggotron, Mark D rules on so many levels
Quote from: anacondashut up faggotron, Mark D rules on so many levels
relax there tenderfoot, i agree that kev fits in way better than mark d.
*apologizes*
I was just baiting a tenderfoot there, anyhoo...
Mark was amazing on Prick, Singles 1-12, The Atlantic
years, and the solo salvo know as Silent Treatment.
Kevin said he thought joining the Melvins would be very hard and was because of the difficulty of Mark D's bass riffs. Kevin is better in the cows than the Melvins... his playing of all the old Melvins bass lines is top notch though. I just find Mark D's bass playing fits the Melvins sound the best by far. It seems he had a major say in the formation of the Atlantic trilogy. Now same goes for Kevin and all the albums he's on.... but my favourite Melvins albums are the Atlantic Trilogy. So it's just an opinion, and I'll leave it at that.
i would say, you guys are melvins fans :wink:
why do you say mark had such a huge say on the atlantic trilogy? He didnt even play bass on Houdini! And Buzz wrote all the music for stoner witch! He had a big say on stag and honky. aeroeaiuraoeiruaeraeiu.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: [/quote]
I love the entire STAG album! I remember when I got it, I was so excited taking off the shrink wrap, I felt like I was opening a box of lovely chocolate candy! And when I listened to it, I knew I was right, it's a gallery of delicious treats.
One time I played it while watching the Teletubbies with the volume down, and I felt like I was tripping on acid........
Quote from: Magic Pig Detectivewhy do you say mark had such a huge say on the atlantic trilogy? He didnt even play bass on Houdini! And Buzz wrote all the music for stoner witch! He had a big say on stag and honky. aeroeaiuraoeiruaeraeiu.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[/quote]
Who played bass on houdini??? Buzzo? I forgot that.
And when you say Buzz wrote all the music for stoner witch, that doesn't mean ALL.
Show some props to your master, Mark D~!
New solo album on the way, tis will be great.
gonzo have you got a link or something about
this new solo album by Mark D? share it pls.
Mark was a force live as well, but anyways it looks
like Dave Scott Stone is slowly slipping into the job
while Kevin recuperates
i just checked the credits on stoner bitch,
here's the breakdown
skweetis: melvins
queen: buzz
sweet willy: buzz
revolve: mark and buzz
goose freight train: melvins
at the stake: melvins
magic pig detective: buzz
roadbull: melvins
shevil: buzz
junebug: mark and buzz
lividity: melvins
so we have
5 songs credited to the trio, 4 songs credited to buzz
and we have 2 songs co-credited to mark and buzz.
essentially mark is credited musically on 7 of the ll tracks
YOu hear the interview with Porn? They said he's some heroin junkie who begs on corners.... but on this website, someone created a thread about his texas band. Mark D is producing it's new album and the dude says mark d's currently working on his new solo CD. THink it's in the general section.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzomark d's currently working on his new solo CD.
i can't wait. the silent treatment was awesome.
and as much as i love kevin, the mark d version of the melvins is still my favorite.
I heared so many cool coments about this album, but when i lisened to it t'other day, i thought it was shit. Its so fucking weird. Actully, there are 1 or 2 good tunes nearer the end but most of it sounds like weird, creepy noises. Disapointed.
jesus man! it's quite musical, varied, and brilliant.
i can only think of a couple tracks that don't really have rhythm exactly.
how many times did you listen to it?
I started a thread on this a little while back. It's weird at first but it gets better. Still one of my least faves but it has some interesting stuff on it.
"WTF?" says it all. I can't believe anybody would be disappointed by Stag. I love it.
Stag is the Melvins most expansive work to date spanning the realm of rock, hard rock and rock n' roll.
I have a creepy feeling that like, ten or fifteen years down the road, bands will start to "borrow" some of the Melvins work and it will start to seep into the cracks of mainstream music. Songs like 'Goggles' and 'Skin Horse' are completely unique and too good of ideas to just fade into obscurity.
This record is an atomic bomb packed with ideas and experiments and I think the repercussions have yet to be felt.
The Melvins are to metal what the Velvet Underground was to rock.
that's cause you're a young child with little taste... Your ear for music is trash at the moment.
I reccomend coming back in a few years when you're ready
Quote from: crazyslapI heared so many cool coments about this album, but when i lisened to it t'other day, i thought it was shit. Its so fucking weird. Actully, there are 1 or 2 good tunes nearer the end but most of it sounds like weird, creepy noises. Disapointed.
if stag is weird to you...........
..... youve got a long way to go
..... but dont worry when youll like sunn ...... youll be ok
hahahahha
I like Stag. Stag is good. Stag is nice, and it's good.
Quote from: kurvaQuote from: crazyslapI heared so many cool coments about this album, but when i lisened to it t'other day, i thought it was shit. Its so fucking weird. Actully, there are 1 or 2 good tunes nearer the end but most of it sounds like weird, creepy noises. Disapointed.
if stag is weird to you...........
..... youve got a long way to go
..... but dont worry when youll like sunn ...... youll be ok
hahahahha
I still don't really get Sunn o))). I saw them live and it was a spectacle with the robes and the throat singing and all, but the records don't do much for me. Apart from the track with Julian Cope which is really funny. Kind of like the spoken word bit of Stonehenge stretched out for 25 minutes.
Stick with Stag though. Maybe listen to Honky a bit first to make it a bit easier.
Stag is the Melvins White Album.
'nuff said.
no its yellow
:P
(http://lazerman.netomia.dk/rotfl.gif)
:microwave:
Quote from: AndyQuote from: kurvaQuote from: crazyslapI heared so many cool coments about this album, but when i lisened to it t'other day, i thought it was shit. Its so fucking weird. Actully, there are 1 or 2 good tunes nearer the end but most of it sounds like weird, creepy noises. Disapointed.
if stag is weird to you...........
..... youve got a long way to go
..... but dont worry when youll like sunn ...... youll be ok
hahahahha
I still don't really get Sunn o))). I saw them live and it was a spectacle with the robes and the throat singing and all, but the records don't do much for me. Apart from the track with Julian Cope which is really funny. Kind of like the spoken word bit of Stonehenge stretched out for 25 minutes.
Stick with Stag though. Maybe listen to Honky a bit first to make it a bit easier.
Don't be concerned about not "getting" Sunn o))), I do not care for them either. I have the album you speak of with that Julian Cope thing. I wish I didn't buy the album because after hearing it a few times, it stays in my CD case and is starting to petrify. But I was curious after reading about them. The various articles I read touted they worship at the altar of Earth so I thought what the heck. It was a regrettable mistake.
. ,..
Quote from: the bloat...I have a creepy feeling that like, ten or fifteen years down the road, bands will start to "borrow" some of the Melvins work and it will start to seep into the cracks of mainstream music...
It happens a lot, eg. GRUNGE.
Also, the year Stag came out - Marilyn Manson stole the the riff from Berthas for The Beautiful People.
Quote from: the bloatStag is the Melvins most expansive work to date spanning the realm of rock, hard rock and rock n' roll.
I have a creepy feeling that like, ten or fifteen years down the road, bands will start to "borrow" some of the Melvins work and it will start to seep into the cracks of mainstream music. Songs like 'Goggles' and 'Skin Horse' are completely unique and too good of ideas to just fade into obscurity.
This record is an atomic bomb packed with ideas and experiments and I think the repercussions have yet to be felt.
The Melvins are to metal what the Velvet Underground was to rock.
you made me wanna listen to stag again.
thanks a lot.
this album is one of the best records EVER.
Quote from: Dr. Gonzothat's cause you're a young child with little taste... Your ear for music is trash at the moment.
I reccomend coming back in a few years when you're ready
f u. U dont even know what i lisen to
Quote from: AndyQuote from: kurvaQuote from: crazyslapI heared so many cool coments about this album, but when i lisened to it t'other day, i thought it was shit. Its so fucking weird. Actully, there are 1 or 2 good tunes nearer the end but most of it sounds like weird, creepy noises. Disapointed.
if stag is weird to you...........
..... youve got a long way to go
..... but dont worry when youll like sunn ...... youll be ok
hahahahha
I still don't really get Sunn o))). I saw them live and it was a spectacle with the robes and the throat singing and all, but the records don't do much for me. Apart from the track with Julian Cope which is really funny. Kind of like the spoken word bit of Stonehenge stretched out for 25 minutes.
Stick with Stag though. Maybe listen to Honky a bit first to make it a bit easier.
i felt exactly like you do about them
but at the moment, i just fucking DIG them, it took me a month to
GET them. (it took me 3 months to
get the melvins tho.) i only got Flight of the Behemoth, and it gives me a beatiful mood, its dry but..... its hard to describe it...
check this out
http://forums.southernlord.com/viewtopic.php?t=5171
they inspired me to make this
(http://forums.southernlord.com/files/fwtbt.jpg)
Stag is just their masterpiece with Marc D. on bass. It's an amazing record, really weird in a psychedelic way. I always ask myself where they would have gone musically with Deutrom.
They could never produce such an album with Kevin. He's weird in another way
Quote from: the bloatMarilyn Manson stole the the riff from Berthas for The Beautiful People.
OH SHIT, I just noticed that.
Quote from: DeleriumQuote from: the bloatMarilyn Manson stole the the riff from Berthas for The Beautiful People.
OH SHIT, I just noticed that.
I would not be surprise if it was true.These two songs were released about the same year.
skin horse is a a great song. I want stag bad but haven't had a chance to purchase it.
Quote from: exideQuote from: DeleriumQuote from: the bloatMarilyn Manson stole the the riff from Berthas for The Beautiful People.
OH SHIT, I just noticed that.
I would not be surprise if it was true.These two songs were released about the same year.
There's a few more direct rip-offs I can think of, namely
My Hero by the Foo fighters (Night Goat) and Milk It by Nirvana (It's Shoved).
Also, "I'm Broken" by Pantera sounds a bit like "Queen"...
Anyone know of any others?
Quote from: kurva
they inspired me to make this
(http://forums.southernlord.com/files/fwtbt.jpg)
how on earth do you make these enchanting images?
if i knew it, ill tell you :))
no seriously, this was a photograph/traditional shit combination, with a bit of photoshop edit
fuck just make a nice grimmdoom photo of a tree, put your sunn cd in, and let your hands (mind) do the thing
easy as that
:twisted:
actully, i lisened to it last night while doing coursework and i actully didnt mind it. I really like the song that goes "toady toady toad...", its so weird it makes me laugh every time i hear it. But i like it in a weird way.
I see at least two cunts in that picture.
Quote from: Green Honey
Also, "I'm Broken" by Pantera sounds a bit like "Queen"...
Anyone know of any others?
OMG
:shock: :shock:
you must take hard drugs man D:
I don't take drugs anymore...
...than the average touring funk band.
But really, to me those songs have similar tempo, structure and riffs. They came out the same year too.
Okay it's a bit of a long shot.
However, Melvins were definatly one of Pantera's influences.
Of course, I'm Broken came out before Queen. Earlier in the same year.
Quote from: Green HoneyI don't take drugs anymore...
...than the average touring funk band.
But really, to me those songs have similar tempo, structure and riffs. They came out the same year too.
Okay it's a bit of a long shot.
However, Melvins were definatly one of Pantera's influences.
Yeah. It seems to me like they liked the Ozma production sound by the sound of Vulgar Display of Power. Which is rather weird.
Quote from: kurva
i felt exactly like you do about them
but at the moment, i just fucking DIG them, it took me a month to GET them. (it took me 3 months to get the melvins tho.) i only got Flight of the Behemoth, and it gives me a beatiful mood, its dry but..... its hard to describe it...
check this out
http://forums.southernlord.com/viewtopic.php?t=5171
they inspired me to make this
Cheers for the link. I agree with some people that it's definitely best when you're not sitting down in front of the stereo trying to 'get' it. Good music to work or do the washing up to. Earth 2 is definitely easier to get into, it has more recogniseable riffs if anyone wants to enter the world of drone somewhere. Have you heard Growing? It's like the more pretty version of Sunn o)))
Awesome art :) I'm seeing crows and goats burt maybe that's just me :roll:
ha! i can se some hardcore pentratION in that picture!
kurva!
"pretty sicky huh??" :P
Quote from: klumpha! i can se some hardcore pentratION in that picture!
kurva!
"pretty sicky huh??" :P
In-deed! Now I can see it.
The White Zombie song Grindhouse A Go-Go has nearly the exact same drum riff as on Isabella. :P
Quote from: Green HoneyThe White Zombie song Grindhouse A Go-Go has nearly the exact same drum riff as on Isabella. :P
haha
yes there are two cunts "THAT I KNOW OF" :), with a guy penetrating on the bottom
id like to see some fART by yous guys
i wanna make an art site, so if itll be any good, you can be a member of the dampHOLE community :))))))
its gonna be doomdom surrealistic bizzare morbid evil sweet vaginal hahaha
Quote from: kurvaid like to see some fART by yous guys
i wanna make an art site, so if itll be any good, you can be a member of the dampHOLE community :))))))
http://geocities.com/cockpisspartridge23/benspalace
http://geocities.com/cockpisspartridge23/peas
Quote from: Green HoneyQuote from: kurvaid like to see some fART by yous guys
i wanna make an art site, so if itll be any good, you can be a member of the dampHOLE community :))))))
http://geocities.com/cockpisspartridge23/benspalace
http://geocities.com/cockpisspartridge23/peas
hahaha
i dont own this cd but i spotted it at a record/cd store the other day. should i pick this one up???
you'd let yourself down if you don't.
now get out of here and go to the shop!!!
search for STAG on this forum
i was driving in my car today, smoking some of this here plant.
and this movie for yer ears was playing. so its spring time, or some shit.
and the flowers were ah bloming. and i knew such lovely pictures.
Black Bock and Skin Horse was most excelent.
this is such a gay sunny time pussy shit recored, ya know what i mean? cuz i don't
also i wanted to mention the sleepytime toy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52473&item=4728054692&rd=1
viddy well my brother :D
im with you on all points.
except the driving. who wants responsibility?
shit i just woke up in my bed at 5 am. Last thing I remember is grooving to the Ultramagnetic MCs at about 6 o'clock. I'm gonna get it! There's a puke bucket next to my bed for some reason! WTF?!?!?!?!?
Can't seem to find my ultramagnetic MCs CD, Ren and Stimpy DVD and jacket/keys that I took out last night.
Behind only Bullhead as best album...but, its been out of print for at least 5 years now. What the hell?
I want a tat of the flower on the cover on my calf. HOWEVER, I recall back before my vinyl collection was puddle of goo in my smoldering bedroom, that the artwork on the flower was significantly different on the LP. Does anyone have a JPG of the LP cover?
Quote from: blipntimeBehind only Bullhead as best album...but, its been out of print for at least 5 years now. What the hell?
I want a tat of the flower on the cover on my calf. HOWEVER, I recall back before my vinyl collection was puddle of goo in my smoldering bedroom, that the artwork on the flower was significantly different on the LP. Does anyone have a JPG of the LP cover?
Part of joy of vinyl for me was looking at the art work on the covers and inside. I wonder how the artwork on the Melvins releases look enlarged to fit an LP? Too bad your collection is destroyed. But now you will not have to move them anymore.
Part of joy of vinyl for me was looking at the art work on the covers and inside. I wonder how the artwork on the Melvins releases look enlarged to fit an LP? Too bad your collection is destroyed. But now you will not have to move them anymore.[/quote]
Yeah I tried to be positive about it at the time. I remember prompting my wife to grab the marshmallows as we escaped the blaze. Actually I went back in and grabbed my Gibson SG.
On the plus side it seemed to rid us of this roach problem we had following us to three different places we moved to. Smoked them fuckers out. I think they had been hiding in electronic equipment whenever we moved.
Quote from: blipntimeQuote from: blipntimePart of joy of vinyl for me was looking at the art work on the covers and inside. I wonder how the artwork on the Melvins releases look enlarged to fit an LP? Too bad your collection is destroyed. But now you will not have to move them anymore.
Yeah I tried to be positive about it at the time. I remember prompting my wife to grab the marshmallows as we escaped the blaze. Actually I went back in and grabbed my Gibson SG.
On the plus side it seemed to rid us of this roach problem we had following us to three different places we moved to. Smoked them fuckers out. I think they had been hiding in electronic equipment whenever we moved.
Mental Note: Must now build fire proof vault for all my records. :cry:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MELVINS-STAG-CD-ALBUM_W0QQitemZ4758127710QQcategoryZ43634QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
wow. must be stolen
anyone in the whole world who doesnt already own Stag should buy this copy
is Stag out of print? i read this on eBay (usually just a sales pitch half of the time). but then i thought about it and i haven't seen it new (let alone used) in any store in years. which sucks because i used to have the album until my locker got broken into in Middle School. suck. anybody got extra copies laying around? hehe.
yeah, it's on Amazon used for about $15 (which isn't too bad)...other prices range from $20-30. which is just insane. i don't know. i'll guess i'll just keep my eyes peeled. i seen Stag real cheap on eBay not too long ago, but when i went to bid my computer didn't want to cooperate. pissed. what gets me aggravated is I HAD THIS GODDAMN ALBUM ALREADY!
I found my copy at a local record store used for $8.99. Which somebody sold it to them for about $3. Who would part with Stag after listening to it? Assholes - that's who.
Only the european edition (made in Germany) is still available, but I have a doubt about the tracklist, because in amazon.co.uk it appears with a different one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002J8Y/qid=1128918969/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/202-7430548-7435057
But this was the only place on the internet where I found it with the different tracklist. Please people I need urls from other music stores in europe, just to see if the amazon english store simply made a mistake with the order of the songs.
I bought the euro release myself and the tracks are in the same order as the NA release.
Strangely i saw a copy today in a store. It had a special import sticker on it and was a standard cd price for here of $30 AU.
Weird. I saw it today in Tower Records for 10 euros, so I can't see how it's out of print. Maybe not in Europe.
As for Amazon's tracklisting, they usually get the details wrong from time to time on some releases, for example, "We Reach: The Music of the Melvins" and The Mars Volta's "Frances The Mute".
I bought mine for five bucks off Amazon. But it didn't come with the back cover. I have no idea which release it is.
try some european companies:
www.cdplanet.no
www.cdon.com
damn, i went to purchase it on Amazon and someone already snagged the cheapest one up. damn.
and while we're on the subject, is Honky out of print? same deal as Stag, never see it and when i do it's overpriced.
I can get any number of copies of Stag or Honky from my local CD store that I want. So i don't see how it can be out of print.
Quote from: Kimana Wanchoo on October 10, 2005, 11:36:30 AMAs for Amazon's tracklisting, they usually get the details wrong from time to time on some releases, for example, "We Reach: The Music of the Melvins" and The Mars Volta's "Frances The Mute".
the tracklist of Frances The Mute is difficult to work out even if you have the CD. You have to work out the last 2 tracks by following the lyrics. All the MusicMatch-style things seem to have it all wrong. What I actually did was to stitch all 7 pieces of Cassandra Gemini together as one long (32min) track.
Honky is way rarer than Stag. I ordered this from www.play.com for only about a fiver. This site is based on the island of Guernsey, which means it escapes certain taxes and additions, and can offer free postage to UK customers. It's great cos I managed to get three full-lengths (inc. 'Stag' and the unititled Sigur Ros album) for about 22 quid.
I find that CDs like 'Stag', and by this I mean when a band signs to a major and is later dropped, the CD is very cheap because to the major the band is small and doesn't sell much. Another example of this is 'Superjudge' by Monster Magnet - their first for A&M records, and it's now available (at least on UK sites) for as little as
Quote from: youllneverbe on October 11, 2005, 07:50:36 AM
Quote from: Kimana Wanchoo on October 10, 2005, 11:36:30 AMAs for Amazon's tracklisting, they usually get the details wrong from time to time on some releases, for example, "We Reach: The Music of the Melvins" and The Mars Volta's "Frances The Mute".
the tracklist of Frances The Mute is difficult to work out even if you have the CD. You have to work out the last 2 tracks by following the lyrics. All the MusicMatch-style things seem to have it all wrong. What I actually did was to stitch all 7 pieces of Cassandra Gemini together as one long (32min) track.
That's a great album. They'll be at the BIG DAY OUT next year and i'll try and RECORD them, same as with IGGY + The Stooges.
Frances The Mute?? guys that album is really easy to understand... unless you don't have the lyrics (and that means you didn't buy it bad boy [-X )
All you have to do is play the CD and follow the lyrics, and then you will see that the first 4 songs are in the first 4 tracks and the last song "Cassandra Geminni" goes from track #5 to track #12.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on October 12, 2005, 01:00:35 PM
Frances The Mute?? guys that album is really easy to understand... unless you don't have the lyrics (and that means you didn't buy it bad boy [-X )
Hey I did buy the album. And I did follow the lyrics. That's why I pointed out that the tracklisting was wrong on Amazon.
Just so I don't get accused of not buying it, or downloading/burning it. It's a great album.
QuoteHey I did buy the album
That's good Kimana, the bad boy thing was not directed specially to you but to some people in other forums that obviously never bought the CD and they're still trying to figure it out, or to some people that never pay attention to the lyrics.
I believe that you can still buy 'Honky' from the AmRep site - atleast last time I checked....also, I bought a copy of Alive at the Fucker Club just two years ago from AmRep and kept it in the cellophane because the album sucks and I already had an open copy. Anyway, now it's out of print and I've got one still wrapped up. I'm fucking stoked.
I should have bought a bunch of copies of Electroretard because I hear that one is hard to find now.
Quote from: Stonergrunge on October 12, 2005, 01:00:35 PM
Frances The Mute?? guys that album is really easy to understand... unless you don't have the lyrics (and that means you didn't buy it bad boy [-X )
All you have to do is play the CD and follow the lyrics, and then you will see that the first 4 songs are in the first 4 tracks and the last song "Cassandra Geminni" goes from track #5 to track #12.
Yeah I know this is the case, but there are more actual parts (as in separated tracks) on the CD than it says there is on the back cover. That's what threw me.
QuoteYeah I know this is the case, but there are more actual parts (as in separated tracks) on the CD than it says there is on the back cover. That's what threw me.
First of all, "Cygnus", "Miranda" and "Cassandra" includes movements or suites such as "Con Safo" or "Sarcophagi". Those movements are just parts of the songs. The first four songs are only in the first 4 tracks (like any average CD), "Cassandra" goes from track 5 to track 12 and the movements of "Cassandra" have nothing to do with the tracks of the CD. The real order of the movements in "Cygnus" are unknown because apparently the order listed in the album's liner notes is not 100% correct, also the real order of Cassandra's movements are total mystery and they have nothing to do with the tracks of the CD. Like somebody said once: this is art and it is meant to be confused.
(en realidad quer
Quote from: Dr. Gonzo on December 25, 2003, 12:35:29 AM
i bought it for less than 20 canadian dumbass.... just cause you see it one place for 40 doesn't mean it's 40 everywhere in canada... stupid fuck.
so maybe its only under 20 in one store where you got it :o
so yes i might add that just because YOU see it in one place for 20 does not mean its 20 everywhere... there are probably other stores outside of Canada that have it for 20 or less.
Why is there a police report at the end of this song? I really like the song, but that report at the end is pretty disturbing. Infact, there seems to be a dark undercurrent on Stag. Why?
Quote from: magic pig dick on November 10, 2005, 05:18:42 PM
Why is there a police report at the end of this song? I really like the song, but that report at the end is pretty disturbing. Infact, there seems to be a dark undercurrent on Stag. Why?
because...
MOHAHA!
Just kidding...I dont know why but "tipping the lion" was an activity by aristocrates where they would stand in a ring around some poor schmoo and kick , beat and occasionally poke him with a sword. they did this for "kicks".
today we know better, today we get our kicks from HARD DRUGS! or those hilarious sit-coms that are child approved!
stag has many dark themes, torture, sacrificing of goats (black bock is infact about black metal people, buzzo has said this)
himself) and s&m.
but I think its darker things underneath, the things we DONT understand or know.
That's the Melvins for you. And I never knew that's what "Tipping The Lion" meant.
I heard that there was something disturbing at the end of "Prig" too. Anyone care to elaborate?
Quote from: Lividity on November 10, 2005, 09:24:59 PM
That's the Melvins for you. And I never knew that's what "Tipping The Lion" meant.
I heard that there was something disturbing at the end of "Prig" too. Anyone care to elaborate?
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Quote from: Eponymous on November 10, 2005, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: Lividity on November 10, 2005, 09:24:59 PM
That's the Melvins for you. And I never knew that's what "Tipping The Lion" meant.
I heard that there was something disturbing at the end of "Prig" too. Anyone care to elaborate?
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Indeed.
Tipping the lion - http://www.answers.com/topic/tipping-the-lion
Quote from: steve on November 11, 2005, 09:26:43 AM
Tipping the lion - http://www.answers.com/topic/tipping-the-lion
Tipping the lion
"Tipping the Lion" was the name given to a violent act committed by the London street gang The Mohawks in the early 1700s. It involved finding in innocent person, crushing in their nose with a large peice of iron, and then gouging out their eyes with the thumbs.
okAy, thats more detailed :)
They need to reprint Stag. Ipecac?
if you have a credit card or something, you can order Stag new from www.amazon.co.uk
Thanks again for the links guys!
Stag is also in stock over here: http://www.stonerrock.com/store/
QuoteSome idiot broke into my car last year, and stole most of my Melvins cds!
Guys, I've been hearing that sad same old story over and over again. The lesson: try only to go with CD-R/burned CD copies in your car and never official CDs.
QuoteThey need to reprint Stag.
that's just amazon being wank. the uk edition has the normal tracklisting. It is a very good album, buy it now.
Quote"Tipping the Lion" was the name given to a violent act committed by the London street gang The Mohawks in the early 1700s. It involved finding in innocent person, crushing in their nose with a large peice of iron, and then gouging out their eyes with the thumbs.
Excuse me, but what does "gouging out" means?
I assume it's similar to "pulling out" or "taking out" or "ripping out".
QuoteExcuse me, but what does "gouging out" means?
I assume it's similar to "pulling out" or "taking out" or "ripping out".
You are correct sir.
from dictionary.com...
Quotetr.v. gouged, goug
mmm a new word for my english vocabulary, thanks.
I just bought a used Melvins "STAG" cd and on the front cover it says in Gold print, "For Promotional Use Only. Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of recording company." I also have a Cure "bloodflowers" cd that says the same thing. Does that mean that it is the first pressing or what? I also have the stag "the bit" singles, and supposedly, it was never released to the public, but I bought mine from someone who got it from a radio station years ago.
yeah, i have that too.
Stag is out of print. I called a record store in Atlanta about a month ago trying to find it and they said that Electroretard,and Stag were out of print.
Stag is still being made in Europe.
I got my copy from amazon.uk a few years ago.
Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on March 08, 2006, 11:14:16 AM
Stag is still being made in Europe.
Yep, I check out a Dutch website and it's still available.
yuuuup
Its something about skin horse that always just made me want to tear up. Mainly the first half.
Theres alot of heart and power put into the song. Everyone is giving everything they got, it really shows. No doubt, in my mind, one of the most beutiful songs ever.
If you open up the c/d booklet there is a picture of a bull's head.
At the very bottom something is written.
I cannot see this even with reading glasses.
To make this fun I will try to guess what is says:
1) copyright of some of the artwork that Mackie used.
2) copywrite of a song Melvins used as inspiration, or a part of.
3) a poignant line from one of the songs
4) admission of guilt to a felony
5) secret Melvins clubhouse handshake
Post it here is large print. Thanks.
Reaper
1996 Atlantic/Mammoth 11, Inc. for the United States and WEA International Inc. for the world outside of the United States. All rights reserved. Printed in the USA.
now thats a letdown. :(
Quote from: PAUL on January 21, 2007, 11:40:29 AM
1996 Atlantic/Mammoth 11, Inc. for the United States and WEA International Inc. for the world outside of the United States. All rights reserved. Printed in the USA.
modern art..
Stag is their most democratic release? All the songs were not written by Buzz only. Am I correct in this?
Mark D wrote alot of this album, Mark also wrote and recorded the majority of Prick.
Yes sir! You can hear snippets of the sound clips from Prick on
Mark D's solo album The Silent Treatment
Quote from: Dudbean on March 03, 2007, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: anaconda on March 03, 2007, 08:59:23 PM
Yes sir! You can hear snippets of the sound clips from Prick on
Mark D's solo album The Silent Treatment
That sort of rings a bell but I'll never check it out to confirm, as The Silent Treatment would have been better if it was called Pure Digital Silence. :shock:
Forgive them, Father. They no not what they do. :?
Egg-zachary!! The Silent Treatment is a fantastiche record.
I finally plunked down the money over at amazon.com and got a used copy (it was still $15) of Stag.
My first impressions are: Its... kinda okay?
That doesn't sound like something I'd say about a Melvins album.
I need some more time with this one, I think.
-al27
It's definitly different. I like it a lot, but it is.....different. And that's ok.
Quote from: Idlehanz on June 29, 2007, 11:12:27 PM
It's definitly different. I like it a lot, but it is.....different. And that's ok.
well put.
Quote from: Idlehanz on June 29, 2007, 11:12:27 PM
It's definitly different. I like it a lot, but it is.....different. And that's ok.
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/26407M~Stuart-Smalley-Posters.jpg)
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on June 30, 2007, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Idlehanz on June 29, 2007, 11:12:27 PM
It's definitly different. I like it a lot, but it is.....different. And that's ok.
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/26407M~Stuart-Smalley-Posters.jpg)
I was thinking that when I typed it....I just didn't feel like looking for a pic :)
:lol:
I do like The Bit.
And the horns in Bar-X the Rocking M are cool.
-al27
Goggles is an evil song.
The good kind of evil.
you cant spell melvins without evil!
alternately,
you cant spell melvins without elvis!
or
you can't spell melvins without limes!
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on July 06, 2007, 06:20:18 PM
The good kind of evil.
Ah, i'm glad, that's what i thought you meant.
I'd say this album has some of the best songs that the melvins have ever done on it.
this is masterpiece
and here is the following question:
i just bought a copy of stag on vinyl, and am somewhat concerned it is a bootleg; can anyone who owns the legitimate record tell me whether or not his or her copy is mastered at a seemingly strangely low volume level?
i don't own it, so sorry to excite you with a response - however, i am very interested to see if it is a bootleg. i haven't heard of people taking the time to make bootlegged melvins vinyl but it would entertain me. at your expense, of course...sorry. no offense intended.
oh, little worry. i would be able to return it. it's probably not a boot, i imagine, but it is strange to me that after atlantic pressing wax for the two previous albums, neither of which are mastered or keyed low, they would do so with stag. but strange things happen all the time. perhaps an effect of turn-over at atlantic or the souring relationship between the band and the label or both. the cover does have the flower face rather than the skull/spiral eye face as on the cd, which i guess lends credence to the nascent theory of its legitimacy.
sell it on ebay as "super-rare" for $2000 like that guy with the trilogy.
you've probably got the real thing - just a bit screwy.
the quality of the STAG LP is not good...
why: for great sound at an LP the maximum lenght per sdide should be max. 24 minutes. at STAG each side is longer than 24 minutes, so that'S why the sound bad.
the same happend to the STONER WITCH LP...
Quote from: the crybaby on October 27, 2007, 07:19:08 AM
the quality of the STAG LP is not good...
why: for great sound at an LP the maximum lenght per sdide should be max. 24 minutes. at STAG each side is longer than 24 minutes, so that'S why the sound bad.
the same happend to the STONER WITCH LP...
problem solved! thanks for knowing lots of stuff
Quote from: the crybaby on October 27, 2007, 07:19:08 AM
the quality of the STAG LP is not good...
why: for great sound at an LP the maximum lenght per sdide should be max. 24 minutes. at STAG each side is longer than 24 minutes, so that'S why the sound bad.
the same happend to the STONER WITCH LP...
thanks for the info. much obliged to you.
Cry baby has a knife wound to his shoulder?!?!?
get a load of dale's work on skin horse. if that don't move you you aren't moveable.
and I add this soundtrack:
http://thesickos.free.fr/Divine__Native_Love.mp3 (http://thesickos.free.fr/Divine__Native_Love.mp3)
Quote from: anaconda on November 06, 2007, 09:11:34 PM
and I add this soundtrack:
http://thesickos.free.fr/Divine__Native_Love.mp3 (http://thesickos.free.fr/Divine__Native_Love.mp3)
"step by step... slowly he turned." 3 Stooges. trigger word "niagra falls".
well done sir. a refence of my own ilk. you've brightened my day. :)
Quote from: glen on November 07, 2007, 07:37:18 AM
"step by step... slowly he turned." 3 Stooges. trigger word "niagra falls".
well done sir. a refence of my own ilk. you've brightened my day. :)
wasn't it laurel and hardy?
on topic:
i put on skin horse for my drummer-uncle to show off dale's skill
back off topic:
you're both right!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slowly_I_Turned
Quote from: Vcavallo on November 07, 2007, 04:59:57 PM
Quote from: glen on November 07, 2007, 07:37:18 AM
"step by step... slowly he turned." 3 Stooges. trigger word "niagra falls".
well done sir. a refence of my own ilk. you've brightened my day. :)
wasn't it laurel and hardy?
on topic:
i put on skin horse for my drummer-uncle to show off dale's skill
was your uncle impressed?
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on November 07, 2007, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: Vcavallo on November 07, 2007, 04:59:57 PM
i put on skin horse for my drummer-uncle to show off dale's skill
was your uncle impressed?
About Skin Horse, Laughing at Buzz's chipmunk voice is like laughing at the baby in Eraserhead when you're watching it in a movie theatre, but when you're watching it alone, in the dark, you know there is absolutely nothing to laugh about.
Quote from: norecess on November 08, 2007, 02:04:34 AM
About Skin Horse, Laughing at Buzz's chipmunk voice is like laughing at the baby in Eraserhead when you're watching it in a movie theatre, but when you're watching it alone, in the dark, you know there is absolutely nothing to laugh about.
well said.
I love skin horse. Kinda Harvey Milk-ish. With the fucked up melvins-ness of course.
Great drumming album. The Bit, Skin Horse, Captain Pungent etc. Dale just owns this album.
"Goggles" is an awesome song but I've always wondered what it would sound like with better/cleaner production like the rest of the album. Maybe the rough sound is part of it's charm though. "Buck Owens" is also a killer song too, great guitar riffs and drums, I like the quiet part towards the end too.
I thought I would let anyone who hasn't bought Stag yet that Circuit Citys website is selling Import version of Stag for $12.99.
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on July 07, 2007, 01:23:33 AM
you cant spell melvins without evil!
alternately,
you cant spell melvins without elvis!
or
you can't spell melvins without limes!
or you cant spell the melvins without Senile....or live....or men....or lines or them or shit or meet or bongodrumbongo
strange... I started this thread before I even was a member here. that was kuje 3 years ago... oh how immature and clueless I was and still am.
dont know if this has already been brought up somewhere else, but Stag isnt in print anymore. Anybody know anything about this? I read that the Mammoth imprint was sold to the Walt Disney Company.Why wouldnt Disney have capitalized on releasing an album like Stag?
Quote from: manleedanlee on September 07, 2008, 03:54:13 AM
dont know if this has already been brought up somewhere else, but Stag isnt in print anymore. Anybody know anything about this? I read that the Mammoth imprint was sold to the Walt Disney Company.Why wouldnt Disney have capitalized on releasing an album like Stag?
gee i wonder :-k
dude... buddy...GUY! just check ebay or amazon out if you dont already have stag.
and I think the answer to your question about why stag is out of print is somewhere on this website.. just use the search feature or google
Guess i didnt sprinkle enough sarcasm on that one.
Quote from: manleedanlee on September 15, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
Guess i didnt sprinkle enough sarcasm on that one.
That's what the green is for. For people who are sarcasmly challenged. It should be named in honor of Fester.
Quote from: Dr.Benway on September 15, 2008, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: manleedanlee on September 15, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
Guess i didnt sprinkle enough sarcasm on that one.
That's what the green is for. For people who are sarcasmly challenged. It should be named in honor of Fester.
Why wouldnt Disney have capitalized on releasing an album like Stag?
There.
oh dude. im sorry! oh man... god.. im sucha dick... okay.. GREEN. I get it now!
GREEEEEEEEEEN
just noticed Mackie plays drum on Lacrimosa :shock:
Noticed?
You mean you read an interview? May I guess? With Mark D?
no no,unfortunately the story is less exciting :).i have only read the booklet while i was listening to Stag this morning,it says Buzz,Dale and Mackie play drum on Lacrimosa.i never noticed that.
and i repeat..in my opinion the stuff on Atlantic plus Honky is pure genius.
Ah :D
Stag is one of the best all time Melvins albums.
Quote from: A Resident of Buzz's Afro on November 21, 2008, 07:24:24 PM
Stag is one of the best all time Melvins albums.
I salute you Mr. Resident of Buzz's Afro.
You have a good point...But they left out Specimen from Stag.... [-X
I been trying the past couple days to record an acoustic version of skin horse, I think I captured it pretty well but my vocals sound too coffeeshop :x
You guys'll hear it one day, wether you give a fuck or not.
Album is so damn good.
Quote from: A Resident of Buzz's Afro on November 21, 2008, 07:24:24 PM
Stag is one of the best all time Melvins albums.
Agreed. It has everything that the Melvins are capable of in one package. It's ALWAYS the Melvins album I use as an introduction for folk that've never heard them before. It's always a winner too with tracks like "Black Bock" & "Captain Pungent" not to mention the superb "Cotton Mouth".
Agreed very versatile and never dull whats everyone think of mastodons version of the bit? not as good as the original but a good job none the less i think
Quote from: RomanBirdDog on February 17, 2009, 09:25:48 AM
Agreed very versatile and never dull whats everyone think of mastodons version of the bit? not as good as the original but a good job none the less i think
I'd say it is the best song i have heard them play, but the sound at the gig was terrible for the first 3/4 so i didn't get a proper listen to most of their stuff. The sound guy just kept going from bass to treble with all their instruments and the vocals just sounded off.
But i have to agree that Stag is one of the greatest albums of all time definitely in my (M)elvi(n)s top 5.
Quote from: RomanBirdDog on February 17, 2009, 09:25:48 AM
whats everyone think of mastodons version of the bit?
i think when the Melvins perform The Bit it sounds amazing,the same song performed by Mastodon sounds crossover
the end of skin horse is my favorite part of this album.
great album, I wish they would play "Bar X The Rocking M" or "Buck Owens" live.
This was the first of the more "experimental" Melvins releases I heard. I was totally blown away the first time I heard it. Would also love to see them do Bar-X The Rocking M live, even without the trombone part.
Quote from: PrickHonky on August 20, 2009, 05:32:12 PM
Would also love to see them do Bar-X The Rocking M live, even without the trombone part.
Dale can do a trombone solo with his mouth,the man is a machine
You really do like dale huh.
i love the Melvins,but how can you ignore that drumming?
I agree about Dale's drumming. That was one of the first things I noticed about Melvins, other than that huge, heavy, loud sound. It is awesome to see him play along side someone like Dave Lombardo on the Big Band dvd.
Quote from: erin on March 26, 2009, 01:28:25 PM
the end of skin horse is my favorite part of this album.
Indeed.
Quote from: black stallion on August 21, 2009, 06:30:57 AM
i love the Melvins,but how can you ignore that drumming?
speaking of Dale's drumming and of Skin Horse, the beginning part to that song is excellent though they never seem to play it live
120 days since the last post in here. Let's talk about how awesome Stag is.
Sterilized + Cottonmouth = :love:
bass lines on STAG are so awesome and psychedelic,if you listen to Mark D solo record you'll notice how influential he has been on this album
Yes it's true. Guitars, bass, drums, vocals, ideas, album art, track order, flow, Cottonmouth everything is perfect on this album.
Mark D's album is like Stag B-sides, a good pickup.
Quote from: Razor on July 12, 2010, 06:24:00 AM
Mark D's album is like Stag B-sides
true!
and speaking of outtakes,do you like Fick Fader?
Melvins - Fick Fader (Stag Outtake) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLnanpyMItU#)
Never even knew about it! They made the right choice because doesn't really fit in with Stag.
But I still think they should've left Specimen in. Thanks Stallion. :cheers:
you're welcome buddy!
in case you want to download the song check this link that Mar has posted some times ago
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=89KJC89R (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=89KJC89R)
Cheers, thanks for the link.
sounds more like a stoner witch outtake to me.
bumppin `the Stag thread woopieee
They played Capt Pungt -> Berthas tonight.
1996 I bought the cassette tape of Stag across from Park Row City Hall. When did it come out a Tuesday? anyway I would've got it at Borders World Trade Center like I almost always did when I got stuff books and cds but I had to take less time (FOR LUNCH) and that was further. Anyway the Bit was mindblowing I know it was summer when it came out it was hot. I listened to about side one on my yellow sony walkman walking near and on Wall St. Bar X was a huge blaring trombone solo right there and I was sharing an apartment with a trombonist at the time so I heard a lot of trombone it was even more deranged and 'out of place' face melt for a Melvins tune for horns to show up. but absolutely cool. Blah blah yada yada point is, thAT lower PART OF THe lower half of Stag (now that sounds juuicy) was more more than faithfully rendered tonight with GUSTO and the flavor of lite was
just as tasty that was what nattered to me. the music period
does anyone else agree that this might be the weirdest overall album the melvins have ever produced? i mean, prick, honky and COD are weird, yeah, but this... this beast came out on fucking ATLANTIC. that blows my mind every time. i think that alone makes it weirder than the three previously mentioned records. i love imagining the looks on atlantic record execs faces when they first heard "goggles", especially because it comes right after "black bock", which, incidentally, may be the happiest and poppiest song the melvins have ever written, and one of my favorites .. "doe dee doe dee doe...."
there's just so many bizarre production techniques used on this record, lots of studio trickery, which i normally find stupid, but the melvins nailed it. i love this fucking record.
Quote from: andy the angry bald man on October 10, 2012, 12:36:41 PM
does anyone else agree that this might be the weirdest overall album the melvins have ever produced? i mean, prick, honky and COD are weird, yeah, but this... this beast came out on fucking ATLANTIC. that blows my mind every time. i think that alone makes it weirder than the three previously mentioned records. i love imagining the looks on atlantic record execs faces when they first heard "goggles", especially because it comes right after "black bock", which, incidentally, may be the happiest and poppiest song the melvins have ever written, and one of my favorites .. "doe dee doe dee doe...."
there's just so many bizarre production techniques used on this record, lots of studio trickery, which i normally find stupid, but the melvins nailed it. i love this fucking record.
no doubt this was one the most inspired albums and eras of the band. also best production ever together with Stoner Witch's
"The Bit" is such a hard hitting epic fucking song! If I worked for Atlantic and heard that song this would be my response "Ok well that's just about the best song ever! We will put it first on the album, then you can do whatever the fuck else you want." :lol:
Finally got the LP of this for completist reasons.... HOLY SHIT this is the WORST sounding VINYL of any Melvins release. FUCK ATLANTIC, this obviously should have been a 2 LP release, way too much music for one record. If only AmRep kept releasing the wax. You have to crank the gain almost all the way to get any kind of normal volume from this LP. So sad since this album is incredible. To anyone who wishes they had this album, own it only as a collectible item. Otherwise buy the CD.
Just a quick reminder to folks looking for this LP that a bootleg has been released.
Do not be fooled into accidentally buying the bootleg that came out on Sleuth records.
http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Stag/release/5447016 (http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Stag/release/5447016)
Quote from: deatheats on April 08, 2014, 03:15:36 PM
Just a quick reminder to folks looking for this LP that a bootleg has been released.
Do not be fooled into accidentally buying the bootleg that came out on Sleuth records.
http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Stag/release/5447016 (http://www.discogs.com/Melvins-Stag/release/5447016)
Has anybody bought one of those boots? Curious how it sounds.
i don't know. love the album but the drum sound is kinda weak and fucked up. like soft 90's rock.
Stag just has a weird mix, but i think that was the point. Stoner Witch has a strong production but Stag has better songs.
My favorite album. Soon I'll own the vinyl. :evil:
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19958.msg524170#msg524170 (http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php?topic=19958.msg524170#msg524170)
Quote from: borislikesitall on December 21, 2014, 12:34:19 AM
Stoner Witch has a strong......Stag has better songs.
Hmmmm. That's debatable.
Quote from: melvins got poop? on December 05, 2003, 08:25:20 PM
what album is stag more like? is it more like stoner witch? houdini? GTP? what?
im gonna buy it but, if its like stoner witch im not gonna cause im not a stoner witch fan.
hello again past me, you kind of sound like a dick. Stoner Witch is awesome and so is Stag.
Quote from: Uncle Fester on March 01, 2015, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: melvins got poop? on December 05, 2003, 08:25:20 PM
what album is stag more like? is it more like stoner witch? houdini? GTP? what?
im gonna buy it but, if its like stoner witch im not gonna cause im not a stoner witch fan.
hello again past me, you kind of sound like a dick. Stoner Witch is awesome and so is Stag.
:lol: dick intervention. If only you had a time machine!
THOUGHTS:
This album has probably the highest number of songs that remain in the live show of any album.
I think of Stag as "dense" as in "tightly packed with ideas." It has a pretty high learning curve but is also endlessly rewarding.
Much of the album seems to be about flesh, food and obesity. Especially "The Bit" which might be about eating a giant steak or burger. Also "The Bloat" as a song title is great.
Bar-x-the-rocking-m - Is this song title a physical description of its guitar riff? For some reason when I hear this song I laugh. It seems like maybe the a&r rep told them they needed "a hit rock song with power chords and a verse chorus verse structure and like a horn part so we can get on the radio" and Buzz was like "fuck you, here's bar-x, that's what you asked for. Melvins, bitch." For many years when I said the song title in my head it was "Bar TIMES the Rocking Em" as if the X was multiplication.
"Tipping the lion" is now probably my favorite Melvins guitar solo.
If you don't like this album yet you will. Everyone has a number of listens it will take to begin to appreciate it. Once you get close to memorizing the way the pieces fit together you will really fall in love with this record, not just this or that song.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on March 05, 2015, 02:00:25 AM
"Tipping the lion" is now probably my favorite Melvins guitar solo.
Did you see Mark D play guitar on this one, on that tour? 8)
Hells to the yeah!
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on March 05, 2015, 02:00:25 AM
Bar-x-the-rocking-m - Is this song title a physical description of its guitar riff? For some reason when I hear this song I laugh. It seems like maybe the a&r rep told them they needed "a hit rock song with power chords and a verse chorus verse structure and like a horn part so we can get on the radio" and Buzz was like "fuck you, here's bar-x, that's what you asked for. Melvins, bitch." For many years when I said the song title in my head it was "Bar TIMES the Rocking Em" as if the X was multiplication.
Coming from Texas cattlemen, I got the reference immediately. A rowdy bar, with a name that emulates the style of naming ranches. Even in Arizona, we see all kinds of stuff like that.
Lazy-J. Upside Down B. Wrangler this, Rustler that. The irony is thick on a record that opens with the line "This is for cows!". I think The Bit is an exercise to understand what exactly a cow would think during it's life. Or I used to, back when I started listening to the Melvins. And actually cared about what the songs were about. Before I just became locked into that groove. That back and forth between Dale and Buzz, and sometimes bassist du jour as well.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on March 05, 2015, 02:00:25 AM
THOUGHTS:
This album has probably the highest number of songs that remain in the live show of any album.
I think of Stag as "dense" as in "tightly packed with ideas." It has a pretty high learning curve but is also endlessly rewarding.
Much of the album seems to be about flesh, food and obesity. Especially "The Bit" which might be about eating a giant steak or burger. Also "The Bloat" as a song title is great.
It's probably about the record industry. And engineers who tow the company line for Atlantic, having lost a great deal of their creativity years before. Or how annoying Primus fans are. I don't know......
The bit has always been about a slaughterhouse to me at least. Maybe even protesting the carnivore/herbivore lifestyle. That being said The bit is one of the worst songs on this grand album.
The bloat is a trancendance into outter body debaucher... I mean spirituality. One of the best rock songs ever written
Correct again meez, in the southwest 'bar x rolling' makes perfect sense...and to zz top fans.
I disagree due to the bass alone. Listen to where the repeating six-note bass pattern comes in in relation to the rest of the song from 0:25 to 0:45. Dun-dun-dun..DUN....DUN....DUN. Good stuff. There's another section later on that's similar too. Lots of layers to The Bit that I didn't hear upon first listen. (Not that you don't hear those things or have to like them. Just my opinion.)
one of the best Melvins album with one of the worst drum sound of all. wish the skins sounded like they do on Stoner Witch everytime i listen to this.
"We're re-releasing the vinyl [from] Atlantic Records on Third Man. The guy from Third Man got the masters from Atlantic for the Stag record, he goes, "What are these two songs on here that aren't on the record?" ... "I dunno." He tells us [the names] and I don't remember what those are." - Buzz
So hopefully we'll get to hear two unreleased songs?
Quote from: borislikesitall on March 10, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
one of the best Melvins album with one of the worst drum sound of all. wish the skins sounded like they do on Stoner Witch everytime i listen to this.
Are you referring to the noize tracks / home demos that are mixed into the album? I could see that those don't hold up to the studio quality of Stoner Witch, but the bulk of Stag is the same, drum-wise.
[visuthor=Mints link=topic=4068.msg537114#msg537114 date=1425695197]
I disagree due to the bass alone. Listen to where the repeating six-note bass pattern comes in in relation to the rest of the song from 0:25 to 0:45. Dun-dun-dun..DUN....DUN....DUN. Good stuff. There's another section later on that's similar too. Lots of layers to The Bit that I didn't hear upon first listen. (Not that you don't hear those things or have to like them. Just my opinion.)
[/quote]
Hey hey Doc you got me all wrong. I love the bit. It just can't defeat the bloat, goggles, buck Owens, sterilize, etc.
Edit: the 'breakdown' right before the verses on the bit are insane. I'm not really sure but I could swear I hear bass harmonics or something...but when I see it played live I can't visualize.
begins with the bit, ends with cottonmouth. who could argue with that?
Quote from: melvins ate me on December 06, 2003, 02:30:32 PM
so if i go out to the store, they wont have stag there?
cuz its out of print?
I bought a copy from Amazon recently. They have it. (My other copy was borrowed and never returned.)
Stag is the kind of album that I go back to occasionally to see if it will grow on me. It hasn't. Too "out there" for me I guess.
Although... it does have Buck Owens and Goggles.
So.....you're somewhere in between Stoner Witch (too polished and commercial) and Stag (too out there). Interesting...... :-s
Quote from: Topaz on February 26, 2016, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: melvins ate me on December 06, 2003, 02:30:32 PM
so if i go out to the store, they wont have stag there?
cuz its out of print?
I bought a copy from Amazon recently. They have it. (My other copy was borrowed and never returned.)
Always see it at the used record store. Used. Not abused.
Stag talk! So... people here, and Melvins fans in general, really seem to adore this album. I always wonder why a little since it's never really done much for me. In fact i much prefer the previous two Atlantic records to this and personally i wouldn't include Stag in my top 10 Melvins records. Maybe not even in the top 15. So guys, why is this album such a Melvins classic?
Quote from: ))))(((( on April 05, 2018, 10:12:50 AM
Stag talk! So... people here, and Melvins fans in general, really seem to adore this album. I always wonder why a little since it's never really done much for me. In fact i much prefer the previous two Atlantic records to this and personally i wouldn't include Stag in my top 10 Melvins records. Maybe not even in the top 15. So guys, why is this album such a Melvins classic?
Tell em about the Tool thing! :o
Just had another listen to this one. Slightly better than i remembered. It's funny how distinctly different the sound of the band was (or rather the recordings) were back then as opposed to Toshi's digital approach now. I have to say that the track 'Soup' is a total stinker though! It's always one i've never liked. 'Fick Fader' absolutely should have taken that spot instead.
I generally agree with )))((( so figured I'd let you know how this record revelead itself to me. Took a long time to warm up to.
Here's my stag book of world records:
The Bit is probably my hands down favorite here, and as it's credited to Dale it's my favorite Dale song in the catalog.
I really distinguish between the studio tracks here and the "filler" for lack of a better term. Sterilized and Goggles are the DNZ or whatever the border zone in Korea is called.
Berthas and Buck Owens and Captain Pungent and Skin Horse presage the genius of Hostile Ambient Takeover. Dense, heavy, purposeful, bewildering. Skin Horse also has pitch shifted vocal, which you'll hear explored more on HAT with mixed speed recordings.
Black Bock is the catchiest Melvins song of the first two decades, and also the most evil fucking thing to hear.
Tipping the Lion is the best lead guitar / solo in any Melvins song ever, and it's not just one solo, but multiple throughout. Believe me, I made a spreadsheet.
Bar-X is the only Melvins song to feature a horn solo. It's major distinction is probably that it's the most punk fucking horn solo imaginable. It's awful and glorious and sounds halfway through like GG Allen is spitting in a tuba before resuming to be a horn solo in a Melvins uptempo radio "hit".
The Bloat has the Melvins best vocal cadence of all time. It's over the best Melvin's bassline of all time with Dale's most unforgiving ribbon crasher pulse. Like a beautiful blend of With Teeth and that closing track on POTRE.
Stag is the first Melvins record where a theme really pops... animals in consumption, food and size and gluttony and the food chain.
Goggles is the harshest recording of this band being a band in the whole catalog. Here it's a deliberate choice and it works.
This is also only album where even the "filler" grew on me. Cottonmouth sounds like a toss away, he's singing something about a mouth full of cotton and headphones. Is he singing through headphones? Are the headphones damaged? I don't know, but the joke never gets old.
Soup used to confuse me, just a blip followed by another blip, but once it comes on I feel reset, relaxed, and yet surprised.
In short I used to have complaints about this album, but it does reveal itself. I probably have a review here in this thread where I was harsher about things on this record I now praise and love. I think it's immaculately timed and sequenced for contrast. Every "song" has a personality. There's a hook to each segment of listening. It probably has the highest ratio of any album in terms of "things I thought I wouldn't like but found out I love and am grateful I trusted it."
It took me twenty years to warm up to this record! It finally clicked and i realized this is a great album!
With the Third Man record pressing of Stag, I noticed something at the end of side A. It ends with the bloat. Dale hitting his ribbon crasher over and over in rhythm. But since you have to turn the record over to side B, obviously you have to wait for tipping the lion to play. To me Dale's part sounds stretched out longer since you have silence until you turn the record over for the next song. It's like listening to it for the first time. Maybe I'm concentrating on that part harder. If this makes any sense... 8-[
Totally makes sense. I love a good headscratcher of an ending to a record, and vinyl gives you more ending spots.
Quote from: amazonAMAZON on April 30, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Totally makes sense. I love a good headscratcher of an ending to a record, and vinyl gives you more ending spots.
With The Bloat, Soup, Lacrimosa, and Cottonmouth all as side endings, that's pretty weird.
STAG is 25 years old today! :D
https://www.facebook.com/100044414466919/posts/377606920396454/
https://thequietus.com/articles/30228-melvins-stag