i recently found out buzz has a guitar tuned to CGCFAD for safety third and POTRE, manky & AMAZON, also songs from ASA and nude with boots.... anyone else know anything about this cuz thats what my guitar is tuned in and i would love to be able to jam along with the CD's.
i guess i put this in the wrong section... hehe
Quote from: ninigiku on December 28, 2008, 10:51:53 AM
i guess i put this in the wrong section... hehe
No, I think it's fine over here.
I googled for you and found this:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_C_tuning
The Melvins use drop C tuning for the songs "The Talking Horse", "The Bloated Pope", "Pigs of the Roman Empire", "Safety Third", "Hung Bunny", "Roman Dog Bird", "The Horn Bearer" "AMAZON" (studio version only),and "Manky" (studio version only).
Not completely sure if it's correct, as I don't know much about different tunings.
Quote from: norecess on December 28, 2008, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: ninigiku on December 28, 2008, 10:51:53 AM
i guess i put this in the wrong section... hehe
No, I think it's fine over here.
I googled for you and found this:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_C_tuning
The Melvins use drop C tuning for the songs "The Talking Horse", "The Bloated Pope", "Pigs of the Roman Empire", "Safety Third", "Hung Bunny", "Roman Dog Bird", "The Horn Bearer" "AMAZON" (studio version only),and "Manky" (studio version only).
Not completely sure if it's correct, as I don't know much about different tunings.
that sounds about right. i wonder if you would need different strings for such low tunings, to reduce floppyness and fret buzz
Well, they pull off drop A nicely on Boris and Dog Island.
i already saw that wikipedia entry, (thanks though) i was hoping that there were more songs in that tuning than were listed there.
also, i had the impression that buzz's "dropped A" was AADGBE so it's only one string that needs to be at least a 56 gauge. (i'd personally use a 65 gauge for anything lower than B, but that may require getting a baritone guitar for some people)
for tuning all the strings on my les paul down one whole step to standard D, i took the guitar to a professional Luthier who adjusted the bridge, trussrod & nut, and i put some Ernie Ball 2626 "Not Even Slinkys" on there (12-16-24p-32-44-56).
this is pretty much as low as i would recommend tuning these strings, i met someone who said they used the same strings to tune down TWO whole steps to standard C, (plus dropping the big string down to an A#) he must have a specially made guitar for that, cuz i saw his guitar and the neck was not a longer scale baritone model either.
if i tried that on my les paul it would be like spaghetti strings on my fretboard.
IMO, any guitar tuning lower than standard D (such as standard C#) will require a baritone guitar with a longer scale neck and strings such as .013-.017-.024-.042-.056-.065.... http://www.guitarcenter.com/Everly-9113-X-Rockers-Lo-Tune-Drop-C-Electric-Guitar-Strings-106054-i1123312.gc (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Everly-9113-X-Rockers-Lo-Tune-Drop-C-Electric-Guitar-Strings-106054-i1123312.gc)
Quote from: ninigiku on December 28, 2008, 10:16:04 PM
i already saw that wikipedia entry, (thanks though) i was hoping that there were more songs in that tuning than were listed there.
also, i had the impression that buzz's "dropped A" was AADGBE so it's only one string that needs to be at least a 56 gauge. (i'd personally use a 65 gauge for anything lower than B, but that may require getting a baritone guitar for some people)
for tuning all the strings on my les paul down one whole step to standard D, i took the guitar to a professional Luthier who adjusted the bridge, trussrod & nut, and i put some Ernie Ball 2626 "Not Even Slinkys" on there (12-16-24p-32-44-56).
this is pretty much as low as i would recommend tuning these strings, i met someone who said they used the same strings to tune down TWO whole steps to standard C, (plus dropping the big string down to an A#) he must have a specially made guitar for that, cuz i saw his guitar and the neck was not a longer scale baritone model either.
if i tried that on my les paul it would be like spaghetti strings on my fretboard.
IMO, any guitar tuning lower than standard D (such as standard C#) will require a baritone guitar with a longer scale neck and strings such as .013-.017-.024-.042-.056-.065.... http://www.guitarcenter.com/Everly-9113-X-Rockers-Lo-Tune-Drop-C-Electric-Guitar-Strings-106054-i1123312.gc (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Everly-9113-X-Rockers-Lo-Tune-Drop-C-Electric-Guitar-Strings-106054-i1123312.gc)
sorry but that just isn't true. even on a shortscale guitar, one can tune the E to an octave below A with no problems. it might be more comfortable for some players to use a baritone guitar because they are designed to play in those low registers, but by the same token, a guitarist not used to baritone might be a pussy about the size of it. it's fine if you prefer using a different guitar, but they are definitely not "required" to use these tunings.
also i don't know what is wrong with your les paul but you are talking nonsense if you are saying you need have a guitar setup to tune it one step lower. it's not so.
in short, you do not need to make any changes on a normal guitar or different strings to tune it to drop D, A, C, or any other tuning mentioned thus far. i know because i've done every single one of them on multiple guitars.
Yeah I regularly tune to drop A and am alright. It helps having distortion.
And POTRE, the song, is in drop D methinks.
POTRE the song is in dropped D down one whole step. (that's what they're calling it.)
this puts your 6 strings at CGCFAD.
if you attempt this tuning with regular light gauge 10-46 strings and are satisfied then either something unique about your instrument is allowing this to happen or you just don't mind that your guitar strings are sagging off the fretboard.
the 12-56 strings i got were too big for the grooves in the graphite nut on the guitar neck, and bridge, but i had them filed down to widen them a bit to accomodate the fatter strings.
this threw off the "intonation" a tad, so the trussrod inside the neck is turned with an allen wrench to achieve perfect intonation with a strobe tuner.
it was all less than $50. and i have no experience with adjusting intonation.
i know, if i was playing in drop D i would be using 11-52 strings and of course that works fine on any guitar.
i am not sure what you mean by drop A and C?
are you talking about the same thing as standard B and standard D?
i have a feeling you mean drop only the big E string down to an A or C while the other 5 strings remain the same ADGBE.
i have no desire to play in such a tuning and that isn't what i was talking about.
PS: i used to have a crappy squire strat that i put the 12-56 strings on and i tuned it 2 whole steps down to standard C (also drop D down 2 whole steps [A#]) it sounded almost decent but still the strings will fluctuate in and out of tune too much, bend too easily, sound muddy, buzz on the frets, and sound especially "loose" sounding.
i also have a very aggressive style of playing, so i need my strings to remain rigid and not bend too much.
I mean AADGBE
Just drop the A. I'm lazy, and only feel like tuning one string, so that means stuff by Master of ReReality era Sabbath, Kyuss, Kiss and the like don't get played. God help Sonic Youth. I think they play in every tuning except E and D. They have a guitar tech just tuning and handing out guitars from a rack.
Anyways, why is POTRE in C? Do they even hit C? I thought it was in D. Why tune down so much? Even the tab is in D.
my guitar is tuned cfbegc, no changes with superslinkys no. 10's.
Quote from: OLD FART LIPS on December 29, 2008, 10:51:33 AM
my guitar is tuned cfbegc, no changes with superslinkys no. 10's.
this is what i'm saying. standard gauge strings, you can tune down to that tuning with no problems. my guitar is in drop c at this very moment and it is not set up any differently.
well, i don't know much about other types of tunings, i always used the traditional EADGBe/DADGBe.
i also use quite a heavy gauge guitar pick and tend to play the electric as if it were an acoustic...
i keep seeing references to a "drop C" but i still don't know what you mean exactly... dropped like CADGBe?
it is possible that buzz is playing the songs on POTRE in that tuning, but i'd like to believe that he's playing in CGCFAd. (which is the same thing as drop D like tool, but all 6 strings are tuned down 1 whole step, which is 2 frets lower.)
check out the first reply in this very thread
I have been able to tune my guitar to all those tunings and I never had a problem with it. Of course you are not going to be able to strum as hard as you would in standard tuning. Buzz doesn't play a baritone guitar on the road. And I am sure it is not customized to play in low tunings.
Quote from: ninigiku on December 29, 2008, 02:36:07 PM
(which is the same thing as drop D like tool, but all 6 strings are tuned down 1 whole step, which is 2 frets lower.)
there ya go! i tune all of the strings at least a full 2 steps lower. it helps that i use a fixed bridge, its a gibson lp double cutaway. i originally got the idea though to drop all the strings from stephen carpenter of the deftones. he has a 7 string esp where the low D is dropped to A and the rest are done correspondingly.
Also, never adjust the truss rod to change pitch. Adjust it to attain proper straightness and adjust the bridge to attain proper intonation (that said proper intonation may require a properly set truss rod). In other words if the neck is properly straight it would be so most all tunings (though a drastic change in string tension may affect neck change). Whatever I think I just confused myself, I know it when I'm doing it.
On my strat I get two steps down fine with .11's. I also used to get it fine with my les paul copy. Yes it is slacker, but that is a part of the sound that I like. I think intonation can stray a bit as you move around on the neck, but if you have a guitar set to it semi-permanently it should be no problem to set the intonation properly for the lower tuning. Dropping the E to an A sounds a little flabby but that is part of why Boris sounds so evil.
I was the guy who wrote that wikipedia entry. I forgot about that, haha. I'm pretty sure those are all the Melvins songs in drop C tuning, so not a whole lot. There aren't any songs in drop C off Nude With Boots. To the guy who was confused about drop C tuning, I just meant CGCFAD. When the Melvins play drop A, Buzz only tunes the low E down to A, so the strings are tuned to AADGBE. This tuning is used on Boris, Kooleged, The Fool, The Meddling Idiot, Dog Island, and Nude With Boots.
I don't know if anyone here listens to the death metal band Nile, but they tune to AEADF#B. I think that's right... Anyway, it's the full-0n drop A tuning. very low,with a kickass, heavy sound.
the question is what does meshuggah tune to? the depths of hell perhaps?
Quote from: OLD FART LIPS on December 29, 2008, 11:04:52 PM
the question is what does meshuggah tune to? the depths of hell perhaps?
From Wiki-
"Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom of Meshuggah tune their 8 string guitars F,Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb,Bb,Eb"
THE DEPTHS OF HELL INDEED! :twisted:
Quote from: Melvinsaniac on December 30, 2008, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: OLD FART LIPS on December 29, 2008, 11:04:52 PM
the question is what does meshuggah tune to? the depths of hell perhaps?
From Wiki-
"Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom of Meshuggah tune their 8 string guitars F,Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb,Bb,Eb"
THE DEPTHS OF HELL INDEED! :twisted:
:lol: HAIL 8-STRINGS!
yeah, Meshugga's crazy low!
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 04:41:33 PM
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
i've never seen buzz change guitars during a show unless he breaks a string. he detunes on the spot as well.
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 04:41:33 PM
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
i've never seen buzz change guitars during a show unless he breaks a string. he detunes on the spot as well.
I think he means Fantomas innit guvnah!
Also those POTRE songs are perfectly playable with drop C, you just have to be a bit crafty
Quote from: Andy on January 08, 2009, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 04:41:33 PM
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
i've never seen buzz change guitars during a show unless he breaks a string. he detunes on the spot as well.
I think he means Fantomas innit guvnah!
Also those POTRE songs are perfectly playable with drop C, you just have to be a bit crafty
maybe he did, but he mentioned boris and dog island, the latter fantomas didn't perform.
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: Andy on January 08, 2009, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 04:41:33 PM
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
i've never seen buzz change guitars during a show unless he breaks a string. he detunes on the spot as well.
I think he means Fantomas innit guvnah!
Also those POTRE songs are perfectly playable with drop C, you just have to be a bit crafty
maybe he did, but he mentioned boris and dog island, the latter fantomas didn't perform.
Yeah, sorry bout that!
I guess he changes gtrs in Fantomas since there's no time to tune between songs.
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: Andy on January 08, 2009, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: FARTFACE on January 08, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: The Fool on January 08, 2009, 04:41:33 PM
Yeah- even my 7 string sounds high compared to Meshuggah.
Trevor said Buzz's (three) gtrs are all tuned differently.
One for the E/drop D, one a whole step down for the D/drop C stuff, but I can't remember what the other one was...
Not sure which he uses for the drop A songs like Boris and Dog Island etc., but I'm pretty sure that you guys are all onto that already!
Having a 7string, I just play all their songs in different positions and drop the low B to A for Boris and Dog Island, though I do use my 6string for the E/drop D stuff sometimes just to make things easier.
i've never seen buzz change guitars during a show unless he breaks a string. he detunes on the spot as well.
I think he means Fantomas innit guvnah!
Also those POTRE songs are perfectly playable with drop C, you just have to be a bit crafty
maybe he did, but he mentioned boris and dog island, the latter fantomas didn't perform.
Yeah, sorry bout that!
I guess he changes gtrs in Fantomas since there's no time to tune between songs.
but you are right about fantomas. i remember on one of the vids where buzz switches to an sg.
...Remember- I am The Fool! :D
BTW, my 7string is an ESP. They are the only ones who make (or made?) them apart from Ibanez, but who wants a 'handle' cut into the body?!? Plus the ESP's have a fixed bridge 8)
Quote from: The Fool on January 09, 2009, 09:16:47 AM
...Remember- I am The Fool! :D
BTW, my 7string is an ESP. They are the only ones who make (or made?) them apart from Ibanez, but who wants a 'handle' cut into the body?!? Plus the ESP's have a fixed bridge 8)
yeah i want one of those too. is it a stephen carpenter model?
Don't think so...
It's a clear black ESP H-207 Ltd.
Only a cheapy, but I love it!!! :D
Also one thing to note is often the setlist will say CG for tuning. This means that the guitar is tuned to CGDgbe as opposed to CGCfad (which is traditional drop C).
As far as I know this is the way that Buzz tunes his guitar for all drop C songs.
And the new songs "Drunken Baby" and "Dark Brown Teeth" are definitely in this tuning.
Manky, LYSOL, AMAZON (known to be played in drop D also ie, live at belfort 2003), The Bloated Pope, Charmicarmicat (Recent live version), The Talking Horse, Evil New War God, The Water Glass, Pigs of the Roman Empire, City Dump and Graveyard (BHS) are all in CGDgbe tuning from the live footage i've found.
As far as Album material that's in a C tuning the list goes as follows, from what i can hear
Lysol: Hung Bunny Roman Bird Dog
The Maggot: all except The Green Manalishi
POTRE: all
A Senile Animal: The Talking Horse
The Bride Screamed Murder: the Water Glass, Evil New War God, I'll Finish You Off
Tres Cabrones: City Dump, American Cow
This Machine Kills Artists: Rough Democracy, Dark Brown Teeth, Laid Back Walking, Drunken Baby
... and probably more i've missed.
Here's a setlist for Proof of the CG tuning.
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Gonna Try me that weird tuning.
the G and D part forms a Bar chord together,
where as the C and G part forms it's own separate bar chord in the same way traditional Drop C does
If you try and play all three strings together like traditional Drop C, (CGC alltogether) you will get a dissonant chord. So it's recommended to keep the two chords separate (unless you like dissonance).
If you need more info on the Tuning Soundgarden also uses CGDfad for the song "Mailman".
also this tuning allow for the slides (9 volt Battery) in Charmicarmicat live to sound like a power chord, thus a more pleasant sound.
Quote from: jack5990 on July 12, 2014, 10:29:12 PM
Also one thing to note is often the setlist will say CG for tuning. This means that the guitar is tuned to CGDgbe as opposed to CGCfad (which is traditional drop C).
As far as I know this is the way that Buzz tunes his guitar for all drop C songs.
And the new songs "Drunken Baby" and "Dark Brown Teeth" are definitely in this tuning.
Manky, LYSOL, AMAZON (known to be played in drop D also ie, live at belfort 2003), The Bloated Pope, Charmicarmicat (Recent live version), The Talking Horse, Evil New War God, The Water Glass, Pigs of the Roman Empire, City Dump and Graveyard (BHS) are all in CGDgbe tuning from the live footage i've found.
As far as Album material that's in a C tuning the list goes as follows, from what i can hear
Lysol: Hung Bunny Roman Bird Dog
The Maggot: all except The Green Manalishi
POTRE: all
A Senile Animal: The Talking Horse
The Bride Screamed Murder: the Water Glass, Evil New War God, I'll Finish You Off
Tres Cabrones: City Dump, American Cow
This Machine Kills Artists: Rough Democracy, Dark Brown Teeth, Laid Back Walking, Drunken Baby
... and probably more i've missed.
Great post. For a long time I assumed that Buzz tuned to drop C in the normal way. It wasn't until too long ago when I realized he just tunes the low E and A strings to C and G, while leaving the rest of the strings in standard tuning.
Here are the songs from This Machine Kills Artists in CG:
-Dark Brown Teeth
-Rough Democracy
-Laid Back Walking
-Drunken Baby
-The New River
-The Vulgar Joke
-Everything's Easy For You
-How I Became Offensive
-Good And Hostile
-The Blithering Idiot
-The Hesitation Twist
Inhumanity And Death is in CG, and think PGx3 is too.
From The Maggot, We All Love JUDY is in drop D, as is Amazon (I believe). I think they've played Amazon in the CG tuning live, though.
Quote from: jack5990 on July 12, 2014, 10:45:42 PM
If you try and play all three strings together like traditional Drop C, (CGC alltogether) you will get a dissonant chord. So it's recommended to keep the two chords separate (unless you like dissonance).
Buzz does this-Hung Bunny/Roman Dog Bird is a good example. :)
Quote from: jack5990 on July 12, 2014, 10:32:48 PM
Here's a setlist for Proof of the CG tuning.
Dog Island-A C#
Apparently Buzz tunes the A string to C sharp-that's news to me. :shock: I bet that's the Nude With Boots tuning, too. I always thought it was just AA, like in Boris. Interesting.
My first band tuned to standard E-A-D-G-B-E but an octave lower. I played bass so getting the strings I needed was a pain in the ass sometimes.
E - 145
A - 130
D - 110
G - 95
We didn't have any specialized stuff (baritone, 7,8 string guitars). My bass (in my avatard) is a just a cheap Memphis and it held up great to all of the tuning abuse it took over the years.
Quote from: GiveMe45 on July 13, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
My first band tuned to standard E-A-D-G-B-E but an octave lower. I played bass so getting the strings I needed was a pain in the ass sometimes.
E - 145
A - 130
D - 110
G - 95
We didn't have any specialized stuff (baritone, 7,8 string guitars). My bass (in my avatard) is a just a cheap Memphis and it held up great to all of the tuning abuse it took over the years.
I have a Squire P-Bass from the 80's that had a horribly bowed neck from being in the un-air conditioned garage all summer long. I didn't want to spend any money on it, so I just downtuned it to a 5- string without a G (B-E-A-D). It's my favorite bass to really rock out on, and the neck is back to almost perfect condition. Without any set up or adjustments.
Cheap bass for the win!
My poor Memphis.....Over the years that thing got thrown around on stage, thrown into the crowd and got danced (stomped) on, and when we played a show on New Years Eve '98 I had my bedroom alarm clock on top of my amp to keep track of what time it was since we were the band on stage when midnight hit and after our set I threw the clock on the ground and smashed it with my bass. Over the years I replaced 3 out of the 4 tuning keys (which looks funny because the new ones didn't match), there's quite a few chunks out of the ends, I had to solder the wires for the jack more times than I can count, but that motherfucker never let me down. If I would have done any of that with a $1000+ Fender it would have been in pieces very quickly.
Whered you get that pink melvins sticker dude.
Quote from: Dumpster D on July 13, 2014, 11:10:27 PM
Whered you get that pink melvins sticker dude.
Pretty sure it was from an old place in Seattle called The Experience. That was one of the very first stickers I ever put on it (can't remember where the nun part of the sticker ended up).