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Title: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 20, 2012, 01:55:13 AM
I thought this could be an interesting topic. Let me get the ball rolling:
Has anyone ever noticed that Buzz plays Anaconda live a little differently than on Bullhead? On the recording he strums a Db power chord, while live he plays a C power chord for that part.

I'm talking about the part that starts at 1:21:

Melvins - Anaconda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1c26bqvDM#)

Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: black stallion on June 20, 2012, 02:22:53 AM
i noticed that! the main difference between studio and live version is they tend to play the songs a lot faster live. was listening to TBSM a few days ago and i was shocked how slow Evil New War God and Water Glass are on album. that's because i got used listening to the live versions of those songs from all the youtube videos posted on here.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (((O))) on June 20, 2012, 05:07:16 AM
Quote from: black stallion on June 20, 2012, 02:22:53 AM
the main difference between studio and live version is they tend to play the songs a lot faster live.
What about Blood Witch that one live is double speed or something!

Blood Witch - Melvins (Live Europe 2009) Perfect Quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA-ZprewREc#ws)
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 20, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: black stallion on June 20, 2012, 02:22:53 AM
i noticed that! the main difference between studio and live version is they tend to play the songs a lot faster live. was listening to TBSM a few days ago and i was shocked how slow Evil New War God and Water Glass are on album. that's because i got used listening to the live versions of those songs from all the youtube videos posted on here.

That's funny-the same thing happened to me! I got so used to watching live videos of The Water Glass and Evil New War God, that when I listen to the album those songs seem so slow!

And yeah they totally jack up the tempo for blood witch live
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 20, 2012, 12:53:38 PM
Manky, and The Fool, The Meddling Idiot are a couple songs that they've played slower live than on the album. The version of Manky on Melvins vs. Minneapolis is crushing! I think there's a really killer super slow version of The Fool, The Meddling Idiot on Vinney's Melvins Goldmine.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Mad Arab on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.

However I feel the opposite about Honey Bucket. They play it too fast and I think it ruins it.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (((O))) on June 20, 2012, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.
So true. Although they don't play that second half live tho.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: FartLips on June 21, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.

However I feel the opposite about Honey Bucket. They play it too fast and I think it ruins it.
=D>

same goes for let god be your gardener and revolve. seems more like they just want to get it over  with.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (the) flutter nuts on June 21, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: )))((( on June 20, 2012, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.
So true. Although they don't play that second half live tho.

the second half of let it all be is by far my favorite thing the melvins have ever done!!! And i stand by that
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: black stallion on June 21, 2012, 01:19:21 PM
best live version ever

Melvins - Let It All Be @ Launch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nmcfiC3nM#ws)



Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: FartLips on June 21, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.

However I feel the opposite about Honey Bucket. They play it too fast and I think it ruins it.
=D>

same goes for let god be your gardener and revolve. seems more like they just want to get it over  with.

I think let god be your gardener is a really impressive song live. It's already a complicated song, so the fact that they rev it up makes it even more impressive.  :)
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: black stallion on June 21, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: FartLips on June 21, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.

However I feel the opposite about Honey Bucket. They play it too fast and I think it ruins it.
=D>

same goes for let god be your gardener and revolve. seems more like they just want to get it over  with.
It's already a complicated song

drumming = SICK
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: spliff(TONE) on June 21, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: (the) flutter nuts on June 21, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: )))((( on June 20, 2012, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.
So true. Although they don't play that second half live tho.

the second half of let it all be is by far my favorite thing the melvins have ever done!!! And i stand by that

I love that second part of Let It All Be as well. Been too long since I've heard it though with the way it's "hidden" in the back end of the song.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: black stallion on June 21, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: FartLips on June 21, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.

However I feel the opposite about Honey Bucket. They play it too fast and I think it ruins it.
=D>

same goes for let god be your gardener and revolve. seems more like they just want to get it over  with.
It's already a complicated song

drumming = SICK

Absolutely! I stood in front of Crover watching him play that song in 2009. It was amazing.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: spliff(TONE) on June 21, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: (the) flutter nuts on June 21, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: )))((( on June 20, 2012, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 20, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Let It All Be is much better live than on the album.
So true. Although they don't play that second half live tho.

the second half of let it all be is by far my favorite thing the melvins have ever done!!! And i stand by that

I love that second part of Let It All Be as well. Been too long since I've heard it though with the way it's "hidden" in the back end of the song.

The second part is great. I really like the drum beat Dale plays and Buzz's vocals. I also really love the transition into the second half. It's all spacey and psychedelic, and Buzz is whispering frantically like a madman possesed by the devil... Really cool stuff
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Captain CoryCory on June 21, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Night Goat is awesome live. It makes the studio version almost look flaccid...

The only two that bother me live compared to studio are Hog Leg and Honey Bucket. They sound too sloppy and fast.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 21, 2012, 10:06:39 PM
I'm listening to a live recording from 2002 right now and it got me thinking-Based on this recording, Melvins Vs. Minneapolis, and other live records from the Kevin era, I think they generally play a lot of songs faster now with the Big Business guys in the band, than they did with Kevin. I feel like having two drummers adds to the momentum, and they're often playing on the front side of the beat.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (the) flutter nuts on June 22, 2012, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on June 21, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Night Goat is awesome live. It makes the studio version almost look flaccid...

The only two that bother me live compared to studio are Hog Leg and Honey Bucket. They sound too sloppy and fast.

i agree but , Hog Leg live from the  "Salad" dvd is fucking brutal!!! as in awesome!!!
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: cleveland rewind on June 22, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
a history of bad men live is faster. i dig live more then i do the album version. now when i listen to the album version i want to sing it double speed. i cant wait to own that sugar daddy split.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 22, 2012, 03:35:50 PM
I hate how they cut out the second "verse"  (if that's what you want to call it) from Black Stooges live nowadays. Ooh, that bugs me! At least they didn't do that when they first started playing it live.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Justafilthylurker on June 23, 2012, 08:04:16 AM
Skin Horse: Really don't like playing the first part "properly." Maybe they think it's too obvious or something.

Pigs of the Roman Empire: Its like a highlight reel of the album version. They miss out all the ambient stuff and that interesting riff that comes between the two "main" riffs. Still tears, though.

Jew Bow Flower Head: Buzz sings it like he can't sing

Queen: Faster. I think they're trying to make it more exiting. Honestly, I this is just a shitty, boring song. The riffs nice, but after they've played it 3 or 4 times you get the idea.

Collosus of Destiny: More of a conceptual sibling than an attempt to recreate the recorded version.

Pearl Bomb: Sinister, incessant menace becomes TOTAL ROCK FURY.

Generally they don't fuck around with texture as much live. Or rather, Buzz sees what weird noises he can get out his guitar & amp rather than what weird noises he can make with effects pedals, other instruments & a recording studio.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: dead mike on June 23, 2012, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Justafilthylurker on June 23, 2012, 08:04:16 AM
Pigs of the Roman Empire: Its like a highlight reel of the album version. They miss out all the ambient stuff and that interesting riff that comes between the two "main" riffs. Still tears, though.

I get chills at the part halfway through the album version where it's just the bass line with some ambient distortion that slowly evaporates into the accompanying drums and guitar riff. I doubt even the melvins could pull that off live.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Captain CoryCory on June 23, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: (the) flutter nuts on June 22, 2012, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: Captain CoryCory on June 21, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Night Goat is awesome live. It makes the studio version almost look flaccid...

The only two that bother me live compared to studio are Hog Leg and Honey Bucket. They sound too sloppy and fast.

i agree but , Hog Leg live from the  "Salad" dvd is fucking brutal!!! as in awesome!!!

I actually  forgot about that one with the killer drum intro and the barely audible vocals!
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Satchel Paige on June 23, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
to state the obvious "hooch" i dont think anyone said that yet i vote buzz best guitar slide of all time on hoochie!!!!
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: h3r3t!c on June 24, 2012, 03:29:22 AM
Like someone already mentioned Honey Bucket isn't that great live. On one hand because they play it too fast, on the other hand because the studio version is just perfect.

Also, when they play that song, it is often performed rather sloppy. I think they don't really like playing that song because it's such a fan favorite. Just like some other bands which are sick of reapeating their "greatest hit" over and over.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Mad Arab on June 25, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
Yeah, nothing sucks more than pleasing the fans who buy their stuff. :D
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: FartLips on June 25, 2012, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: Jackie Treehorn on June 25, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
Yeah, nothing sucks more than pleasing the fans who buy their stuff. :D
you'd think! i know a lot of bands want to say they only do stuff that makes them happy, but complain about critics when they come out of the garage. don't come out of the garage!
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: williamblakestyger on June 26, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
best
echo dont piece me
better
at a crawl
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 26, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
Quote from: williamblakestyger on June 26, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
best
echo dont piece me
better
at a crawl

oh man what I would do to hear
the current lineup play echo don't piece
me live would be awe
some
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (PAUL) on June 27, 2012, 12:06:19 AM
I remember in 2004 they played The Bloat live and the second half sounded completely different than the studio version.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: Metalhead Cow on June 27, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: (PAUL) on June 27, 2012, 12:06:19 AM
I remember in 2004 they played The Bloat live and the second half sounded completely different than the studio version.

I think it's only a matter of time until they bring this song back to the setlist.  :)
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: anaconda on June 27, 2012, 08:05:21 PM
They play Copache like a speed metal song whenever they've done it live. It's 5 or 6x faster.
Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: homeless_dad on July 02, 2012, 12:22:09 AM
They play the bit slower live which I like more than whats on stag, but my favorite is on the melvins/fantomas big band.

The version of oven from the Walsby disc pick your battles is slower and 10 times better than how its played currently live.

The song that for me just cannot be improved on live is at the stake.  The effects from the studio album can't be duplicated and add so much to the eerieness.

Title: Re: differences in songs live vs. album
Post by: (((O))) on July 02, 2012, 05:01:27 AM
Quote from: homeless_dad on July 02, 2012, 12:22:09 AM
my favorite is on the melvins/fantomas big band.
This wins it for me. From 3:47 on.  8)

Melvins - 6. The Bloat/The Bit [Belfort - Eurockeennes 2003] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAc1yvNLwQ#)