Pigs of the Roman Empire

[Pringles]

I like it. Very good album.

Bloated pope kick ass
Pink bat is pure rock
Title song at 12 minute is fucking dark and heavy and really cool .


8/10

I like this album better than Honky.

[anti~vermin]

i guess fans of tomahawk & fantomas will be more likely to enjoy this album....
personally i kind of enjoy hearing songs that are fragmented and segued by unusual noises and ambient crap and not to mention spoken word and all... i guess i see the whole thing as a bit psychedelic.
something to stimulate other areas of your brain musically than what most people are used to.
marijuana.

i havent had a chance to purchase POTRE cd yet so i am just guessing what it might sound like

[Reverend Ebeneezer]

i honestly think that a lot of "noise" is just made for people to take drugs to.

To claim noise is just druggies music is like implying all dance music is just for pill-popping E-freaks...

it's not?

You either have no respect for me and don't feel it's worth your time debating with me, or you're very, very ignorant. Which is it?

[benton netty]

i honestly think that a lot of "noise" is just made for people to take drugs to.

To claim noise is just druggies music is like implying all dance music is just for pill-popping E-freaks...

it's not?

You either have no respect for me and don't feel it's worth your time debating with me, or you're very, very ignorant. Which is it?

number one.

actually, that's not true. i've got time and respect for you, but you just posted your post after a guy who ended his post with the one-word sentence "marijuana," so gimme a break. let's be honest -- are you trying to say that dance clubs AREN'T full of people flying on E? because if you are, you're the ignorant one.

[Vcavallo]

tony, it seems to me that the real issue here is when is something art and when is it not art.  that, i believe is a question for the ages...  it is not something that will ever be answered wholly, or even partially, and that is likely the most attractive thing about art.  It is for the individual to define, which makes it all the more personal and beautiful.  there would be no such thing as debate if art wasn't such as i explained because every question would already have an answer.  

ok, Tony, i'm done, ::sigh:: let's have your retort.  you've got to find something to get annoyed at there...    


never forget, beto's favor emoticon:      

[Vcavallo]

You either have no respect for me and don't feel it's worth your time debating with me, or you're very, very ignorant. Which is it?

number one.

that's not cool.  the reverend is a good person and a fine and civil debater.  i have no respect for any kind of Tony that has no respect for Ebeneezer

[benton netty]

You either have no respect for me and don't feel it's worth your time debating with me, or you're very, very ignorant. Which is it?

number one.

that's not cool.  the reverend is a good person and a fine and civil debater.  i have no respect for any kind of Tony that has no respect for Ebeneezer

you didn't read the rest of the post: "actually, that's not true. i've got time and respect for you"

please read my posts before you comment on them.

[benton netty]

tony, it seems to me that the real issue here is when is something art and when is it not art.  that, i believe is a question for the ages...  it is not something that will ever be answered wholly, or even partially, and that is likely the most attractive thing about art.  It is for the individual to define, which makes it all the more personal and beautiful.  there would be no such thing as debate if art wasn't such as i explained because every question would already have an answer.  

ok, Tony, i'm done, ::sigh:: let's have your retort.  you've got to find something to get annoyed at there...    


never forget, beto's favor emoticon:      

actually, what you said there is perfectly valid. and, obviously, personal opinion does play into it, because the melvins thought that lustmord's stuff was worthwhile enough to spend the time collaborating with him, and i respect them as musicians and artists.

but i'm of the opinion that lustmord is one of those guys who shits in a bowl and calls it art and then uses the excuse that you just laid out to defend his actions. this loose definition allows everything from a da vinci to a turd in a bowl become "art" on an equal footing.

i think lustmord makes people think he is an artist because he says he is one.

[Vcavallo]

i agree.  if he says it is art, then it is only art for him, and that's the way it should stay.  if someone else says it is art, then it is art for that person.  unfortunately when a "musician" calls something art, it might sway someone else to believe it, which i believe is the problem here.  

By the way, you edited your post back there.  when i read it, it said nothing about you having time and respect for him.  it says right under it that you edited it.  unless you edited it before you noticed my reply (unlikely), then i have "nice try" to say to you...

[benton netty]

i agree.  if he says it is art, then it is only art for him, and that's the way it should stay.  if someone else says it is art, then it is art for that person.  unfortunately when a "musician" calls something art, it might sway someone else to believe it, which i believe is the problem here.  

By the way, you edited your post back there.  when i read it, it said nothing about you having time and respect for him.  it says right under it that you edited it.  unless you edited it before you noticed my reply (unlikely), then i have "nice try" to say to you...

originally, it just said "number one," but i realized that was a little dickish, so i added more (the "actually...") part. i did that before i saw your reply, so now i get what happened. my bad.

[LouiLoomis]

I really want to hear some of tony's recordings, seeing as he thinks Lustmord's work is easy to pull off. This isn't being childish, I'm just very curious. I've been doing recording since I was 15 and have done 4 years of recording courses on top of that, and I still don't see what was so easy about Lustmord's contribution. Please show us what real work is tony!

[Reverend Ebeneezer]

actually, that's not true. i've got time and respect for you, but you just posted your post after a guy who ended his post with the one-word sentence "marijuana," so gimme a break. let's be honest -- are you trying to say that dance clubs AREN'T full of people flying on E? because if you are, you're the ignorant one.

I'm not saying that at all, what I'm saying is that the music isn't only appreciated by drug users. I have plenty of friends who enjoy dance music who would run a mile at the sight of an E pill. I know it's prevailent in dance culture but, as you say, marijuana's prevailent in the rock scene too. You can't dismiss a certain type of music because it has a drug scene that engulfs some of it's followers. Music's about the sound, not the people who listen to it.

As it stands, Tony, judging from the rest of your posts about Pigs, I can tell you really, really hate it and I shan't try and convince you otherwise, but I'd say that if you can stand Prick, Collossus and Honky then this one wouldn't be too much of a curveball.

[cheeseburger]

i just got it today...the title track rocks my lame ass...i like it alot.

[CNCMACHINE]

Some of my favorite moments of Pigs of the Roman Empire

Toadi Acceleratio at 52 seconds to 1:02 some sweet evil sound on that guitar.
Horn sounds in the begining of Pigs WOW feels immense, hell epic even. 12:56 Pigs riff goes through a transformation of bass with staticy sounds to bass with hella beefy Buzzo guitar.(at least I think its Buzzo)
Buzzo's lyrical barrage in Pink Bat. Id say about 80% of the time I dont even try to understand what he is saying/singing/screaming I just feel it and it feels like a freaking rampage on Pink Bat.
I agree with Metalhead Cow Zzzz Best has got to be an intro to Safety Third. It almost seems wrong not listening to them together. In the last few days I have been hittin up these two songs alot. The bass in Zzzz Best fading in from one channel to the other and then out is realy cool. 2:20 in Saftey Third Buzz gets the song a swinging with his lyrics. Why do I feel like dancing?
Idolatrous Apostate.......
Track 9 4:38 Makes me think of the music you hear when your walking around the a mall during some holiday shopping but somehow its twisted. Twilight Zone or something.

I cant wait to hear some of this music live.

[darthputa]

I love noise, but lustmord IS FUCKING BORING!!!