Melvins Go All Dub Reggae On Our Ass!!!

[Bro Hammer]

I'm new here. I bump threads and people thank me, I bump threads and people curse me. I honestly don't know what to make of this dude. He's a perfect gentleman in our private messages. On the board in general, something else. Americans can see through this act. Most of us have seen at least five minutes of Pro Wrestling on TV. It's the character called "the heel". Of course, Europeans have much older references to look to. Is there a definitive list of all of his personalities/ Member accounts?

Hmm, Ministry Fiend, Juan shit I can't remember but he's been a few but the same every time. Dub this and dub that. It was always easy to figure out it was him under his different handles. I wasn't cursing you, just confused. As Ministry Fiend and Juan he was not very well liked or received here and a lot more aggressive with his posts as you can see in this 12 page thread. I haven't noticed it now but I stay away from Ecumenical all together and one of the MAIN reasons is his thread about his kid. That's also the thread I realized it was him. The racism in the other thread really set me off but I'm able to kinda just skim passed most of his dubby dubwise shit. In all honesty I think he probably really is like the way he is here in real life. Who knows though. You could ask him but I doubt you'll get a straight answer. I'm actually surprised he's still around as a matter of fact because I don't remember much more of a welcoming party for him before I deleted my account and took a break from this place where as someone like Schnabster was also very disliked here but that seems to have passed BUT like I said I stay out of Ecu all together and that's where he strikes the most, so maybe he's still just as annoying (Schnabster that is). If you really want an idea of Ministry Fiends ridiculousness just search for "Meursault"....
As far as trying to figure him out, well I wouldn't bother wasting the time. That's like trying to figure out why Carol (Pinky Slim) is such a cunt. Like I said, I'm not trying to bust your balls but maybe make it easier on ya.

[meezer]

No problem. Cool. I prefer to treat people on here like i would want them to treat me. Totally wild concept,  i know! I'll stop the nonsense, because this is probably confusing a lot of guests. 

[Bro Hammer]

No problem. Cool. I prefer to treat people on here like i would want them to treat me. Totally wild concept,  i know! I'll stop the nonsense, because this is probably confusing a lot of guests. 

It's amazing how many people can't grasp that simple little concept! Some people completely change when the get in front of a computer it's weird (actually not that weird I guess due to the anonymity) and pretty much why I stopped using most social media. Nothing's worse when you realize some of your friends are those kinds of people. Like I said though, I wasn't trying to bust your balls and as far as I'm concerned some of those old threads you bump bring back good memories, some not so much. I don't think it's nonsense though and I'm not trying to discourage it!
*edit- It's funny actually because when I first came back here one of the threads you bumped involved people that led me to leave this place for awhile. At first I was like "Oh fuck, this shit is still going on!" but much to my relief it was just a bumped thread. I got a kick out of it.

[meezer]

No problem. Cool. I prefer to treat people on here like i would want them to treat me. Totally wild concept,  i know! I'll stop the nonsense, because this is probably confusing a lot of guests. 

It's amazing how many people can't grasp that simple little concept! Some people completely change when the get in front of a computer it's weird (actually not that weird I guess due to the anonymity) and pretty much why I stopped using most social media. Nothing's worse when you realize some of your friends are those kinds of people. Like I said though, I wasn't trying to bust your balls and as far as I'm concerned some of those old threads you bump bring back good memories, some not so much. I don't think it's nonsense though and I'm not trying to discourage it!
*edit- It's funny actually because when I first came back here one of the threads you bumped involved people that led me to leave this place for awhile. At first I was like "Oh fuck, this shit is still going on!" but much to my relief it was just a bumped thread. I got a kick out of it.

[Helen83]

Hahaha classic. I forgot about this one. But yeah the Hammer is correct....the Meursault thread was the kingpin. I read the first few pages and yeah I was on fire here as far as being incredibly annoying.

To be honest with you guys..... sometimes I like to re-live my childhood moments of harassing and annoying the hell out of my older brother by doing the same thing to hapless strangers in the form of inviting them to be as insane as myself by arguing over vibrations in the form of music. I know it's insanely immature......but I am insanely immature.....most of the time. I've been a gigantic Melvins fiend for well over 20yrs and one of the reasons I've always loved them isn't the giant riffs or incredible skills and power of Dale......it's the fact they're totally demented and bonkers.

One of the great things about these type of forums is looking back and being totally mortified by your behaviour should you choose to partake in outlandish & childish antics. hahaha This thread is definitely one of those.

If you look closely you'll see I've never attacked anyone personally nor would I ever. I am certainly not racist or homophobic or a bigot in anyway. However I am obsessed about music and my worst habit without a doubt is being totally at ease with being very open about not liking certain popular bands/artists. This crazy behaviour once again falls into the "lets all argue about what vibrations are more awesome than others".

At the end of the day this is a forum for one of the most crazy ass bands on the planet who credit to them attract fans from all walks of life. Now we all need to take a step back and realise we're on a music forum. This is very un-serious business. But hey......you meet some interesting people and stumble across some great and horrible vibrations which at the end of the day is what it's all about.

I totally accept my behaviour here at times has been horrendous and if I have caused anyone any sleepless nights or distress I apologise. I have a wee daughter now and have to set a good example!

Seriously though this is a great forum which like the band has kept me entertained for many years. I have made many good friends and met many great folks from here over the years and am always happy to take members of the board no matter who they are on wild whirlwind tours of Edinburgh should they ever visit this wonderful part of the world.

Now back to what this thread was originally about......I remember I did a similar thread around 2005 or 06 on the ill fated Piss Army which was a Ministry forum........now Ministry was the first band that really did make me bananas about music after catching them live in a tiny nightclub in the early 90s......unlike Melvins however they made insanely horrible music towards the end of their career...........anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for. I am happy with Bootlicker & Honky as the Melvins Dubbitty Dubbitty Dubwise records......even if they weren't produced by King Tubby hahaha

[Bro Hammer]

anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for.

So we can blame you for that  . That's pretty funny actually because yes those dub remixes are terrible and luckily I haven't even brought myself to listen to the Revco remixes. Is it remixes of old Revco stuff? If it is then I for sure don't wanna hear it. Revco was awesome and I'd hate to hear them not being awesome.
Also good on you for taking the time to clear things up and not getting defensive. Being humble is much more respectful than defensive.

[meezer]

anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for.

So we can blame you for that  . That's pretty funny actually because yes those dub remixes are terrible and luckily I haven't even brought myself to listen to the Revco remixes. Is it remixes of old Revco stuff? If it is then I for sure don't wanna hear it. Revco was awesome and I'd hate to hear them not being awesome.
Also good on you for taking the time to clear things up and not getting defensive. Being humble is much more respectful than defensive.

Look up Ministry/ RevCo on wiki. Al made one final RevCo albumin the last decade. It had Gibby Haynes & Jello Biafra (ironically, they sued each other, back in the 80's!). I thought it was ok. But never really listened to it much. The magic was gone. Then a year later, a second album hit. The cover art looked like Rob Zombie. The title was even goofier than anything before. I might have bought that, but luckily I read a review that said that Al had given the name to a young band that he liked. Yuck! 

[Bro Hammer]

anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for.

So we can blame you for that  . That's pretty funny actually because yes those dub remixes are terrible and luckily I haven't even brought myself to listen to the Revco remixes. Is it remixes of old Revco stuff? If it is then I for sure don't wanna hear it. Revco was awesome and I'd hate to hear them not being awesome.
Also good on you for taking the time to clear things up and not getting defensive. Being humble is much more respectful than defensive.

luckily I read a review that said that Al had given the name to a young band that he liked. Yuck! 

Gross! Wtf so there's a Revco that isn't really Revco? Fuckin' Al.

[meezer]

Gross! Wtf so there's a Revco that isn't really Revco? Fuckin' Al.

It gets way worse! Search on this site for an article that someone linked to, about the making of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Waste. Everybody split into different cliques, but the way Al dishes on those guys, and takes all the credit. Very skeevy. Then I read an interview on here with Patty Jorgensen, about her time with Al. She's a piece of work, for sure, but if 10% of her stories about Al are true, then stay away from Al, kids! Basically, the best thing that ever happened to me, as a Ministry fan, was that I found the Melvins. They do it better, with better results, for less, with less. And they leave a lot less wreckage in their wake. And that's really saying something, for a band with a "bassist morgue"! 

[Helen83]

anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for.

So we can blame you for that  . That's pretty funny actually because yes those dub remixes are terrible and luckily I haven't even brought myself to listen to the Revco remixes. Is it remixes of old Revco stuff? If it is then I for sure don't wanna hear it. Revco was awesome and I'd hate to hear them not being awesome.
Also good on you for taking the time to clear things up and not getting defensive. Being humble is much more respectful than defensive.

Well looking back on those posts from the first few pages they were pretty hard to get defensive over haha

Thankfully Al did not remix the proper Revco stuff....it was Cocked & Loaded on....Al actually totally pissed all over the legacy of Ministry & Revco during those last years. Once Barker hit the road it got seriously ugly. It started with Rio Grande Dub which after listening to was mos def not Dub. From there we got the Last Dubber and it just got worse with each lazy cash grabbing studio & remixxxxxxx LP up until Mike Scaccia's death in December 2012. Essentially Ministry ended with Animositisomina and Revco ended with Linger Ficken Good. From there it got super silly. Al threatened to crap all over Pailhead but thankfully that didn't happen. He also threatened another Lard Lp....now Ministry's incarnation of a super silly butt rock nu-metal band could actually pull off a Lard LP IMO simply due to Jello's cartoon vocal.

Essentially Al went from trailblazing to following mediocre popular metal/dance music of the late 2000s....and by that I don't mean underground metal, I mean big selling stuff that Al tried to jump on the band wagon of in order to make a quick buck. He even started doing hideous Skrillex style Dubstep remixes of the late Ministry/Revco stuff??!!! To be fair towards the end Al was getting really bad producers to do the remixxxxx albums. Oh well I guess it was his band so he had the right to do with it what he wanted in order to make a buck in the end. Still....they went from interesting music to a complete face palming joke.

[Bro Hammer]

anyway Angie (Al's wife) posted on that thread saying that Al thought it was a good idea. Not long after we got saturated with absolutely horrendous Ministry Dub albums and Ministry/Revco remixxxxxxxxxxxx albums. Sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish for.

So we can blame you for that  . That's pretty funny actually because yes those dub remixes are terrible and luckily I haven't even brought myself to listen to the Revco remixes. Is it remixes of old Revco stuff? If it is then I for sure don't wanna hear it. Revco was awesome and I'd hate to hear them not being awesome.
Also good on you for taking the time to clear things up and not getting defensive. Being humble is much more respectful than defensive.

Thankfully Al did not remix the proper Revco stuff....
From there it got super silly. Al threatened to crap all over Pailhead but thankfully that didn't happen. He also threatened another Lard Lp....now Ministry's incarnation of a super silly butt rock nu-metal band could actually pull off a Lard LP IMO simply due to Jello's cartoon vocal.

I'm glad he didn't touch FLG and Jesus if he touched Pailhead I'd take the 6 hour drive to Chicago and kill him myself. I stopped with Ministry after Psalm 69. I know, I know I've been told that there's good stuff after that but I haven't really heard any of it. Saying that, I do totally agree on the Lard LP just because Lard was ridiculous from the get go and I can't really imagine being able to ruin or make it any worse than what's already out there. Don't get me wrong, I love Lard and I don't think they were bad. Just ridiculous, and that's one of the main reasons why I loved it.

[Helen83]

The LP after Psalm 69, Filth Pig is hands down my favourite of theirs. They threw away the drum machines & sampler and just totally hit the brakes. It's very influenced by Swans & Godflesh. The actual tune Filth Pig is my all-time favourite tune of theirs....the bass line is very Nightgoat which obviously makes it rule!!!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QloZREyA8Xk

[meezer]

My faves
1-Filth Pig
2-Twitch
3-Animosity

[Bro Hammer]

The LP after Psalm 69, Filth Pig is hands down my favourite of theirs. They threw away the drum machines & sampler and just totally hit the brakes. It's very influenced by Swans & Godflesh. The actual tune Filth Pig is my all-time favourite tune of theirs....the bass line is very Nightgoat which obviously makes it rule!!!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QloZREyA8Xk

Okay, that was really good.

My faves
1-Filth Pig
2-Twitch
3-Animosity

I could never get into Twitch. To me it sounded like a softer version of Skinny Puppy at the time (I was/am a huge SP fan). It wasn't until Land Of Rape And Honey that I started to really dig 'em.

[meezer]

I had a friend who was into them back in the mid eightees. When they were on the lollapalooza tour, he recommended the live album, in case you didn't feel like showing up. That is still my favorite ministry release,  but it's not a studio album. So next he told me to get twitch, but I got all the stuff with guitars,  instead.  I finally got twitch, because I'm a completist. It took me a little longer too get into it, but it's an absolutely brilliant piece of work. It's one of the greatest sounds I've ever heard, and it's totally a one - off. The one before it was way softer, the one after it sounds like metal.