King Buzzo Tour Dates and Roll Call

[(PAUL)]

Yes Madison was cancelled this morning.

[01001010]

Yeah, I was just about to post something here about that. Not surprised to hear the show was cancelled, but so were a number of other shows I had tickets to, and all of them were more than willing to honor the purchased tickets at a later date, or a refund. I'll drop a line to Doug Fir about this, but seriously, they're obviously not taking the "we're all in this together" idea very seriously, it seems. The way it's been presented, it appears that they plan to keep the money one way or another, even if it's not going toward what we paid for.

Also posted in the Minor Complaints thread:

I just got an email that the Portland King Buzzo show is officially cancelled.  Pretty much knew that was coming but my complaint is that the only options for ticket holders are a ticket voucher for a future show at 120% of the value of your ticket(s) OR a gift certificate to their restaurant/bar at 120% of ticket value.  No option for refund even though it's officially cancelled and you have to let them know your decision within 30 days

[jules]

From The Grog Shop, Cleveland:

Hi guys, 

Bummer news. This event has been canceled. All tickets will be automatically refunded within 5-7 business days.

Take care & we hope to see you soon!

xoxo,

Grog Shop

They also sent a separate email with a link to here FYI:

https://www.nivassoc.org/take-action?mc_cid=10afd4ceac&mc_eid=39739427ad

[CoryCory]

Columbus canceled too.

[Jozzy]

I'm surprised an official announcement hasn't been made that the tour is cancelled. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say there will be no concerts this year.

[Dumpster D]

I'm surprised an official announcement hasn't been made that the tour is cancelled. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say I keep rubbing it in.

FIxed. 

[Jozzy]

I am also on the list of people that won't be seeing a Buzzo show. I am less than thrilled about it. I'm not really sure how I am rubbing it in. It's just the reality of everything.

[Bigval]

Buzz is scheduled to be in Europe late August to early October, so the US tour will more likely be cancelled than postponed, I think. He mentioned the same thing in a recent interview, too.

I think you could pretty much rule a line through that European tour too.

[jonE5]

I have tickets to the Albany, NY show which is a month away and they have not canceled it yet which I find rather odd.

[glen]

ok that's it.  now I'm pissed.     excuse me while I gather my AK-47 and Nazi flag and head to the state capital steps to express my feelings. 

[jules]

Great American Music Hall and The Echo are hedging their bets, otherwise looks like everything else cancelled for May-Jul.

[>>>JZS<<<]

 No Buzz in Baltimore    Maybe next year....

[01001010]

Okay, just wanted to mention that Doug Fir Lounge *did* actually refund the Buzz tickets. I sent them a pretty low-key e-mail on 5/5, they auto-replied the same day, then I received a follow-up e-mail on the 8th, and the money was refunded on the 13th. I can only speculate that they received a lot of correspondence regarding their original e-mail, and had a change of heart.

Normally I might have just let it slide, but I reckoned that trading the tickets' value for some other show wasn't really a viable solution, since probably 90% of other bands I go to see won't be as likely to sell out as quickly as a Buzzo or Melvins show. If the venue had offered to apply the existing tickets to a rescheduled Buzzo show in the future, that would have been fine, but for now, it does seem that no one can be sure when that will happen.

Honestly, I'm still mulling over a handful of other shows which were rescheduled from March to October; wondering if I should have just asked for a refund for those as well. Maybe they'll happen, but if they do, that's gonna end up being a busy month!

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Yeah, I was just about to post something here about that. Not surprised to hear the show was cancelled, but so were a number of other shows I had tickets to, and all of them were more than willing to honor the purchased tickets at a later date, or a refund. I'll drop a line to Doug Fir about this, but seriously, they're obviously not taking the "we're all in this together" idea very seriously, it seems. The way it's been presented, it appears that they plan to keep the money one way or another, even if it's not going toward what we paid for.

Also posted in the Minor Complaints thread:

I just got an email that the Portland King Buzzo show is officially cancelled.  Pretty much knew that was coming but my complaint is that the only options for ticket holders are a ticket voucher for a future show at 120% of the value of your ticket(s) OR a gift certificate to their restaurant/bar at 120% of ticket value.  No option for refund even though it's officially cancelled and you have to let them know your decision within 30 days

[deatheats]

I understand why refunds aren't being offered right off the bat...these businesses are likely to go under with no music.
Its literally, do we want to be able to stay in business to offer future shows?

Sure, not everybody can afford to let the venue hold on to their hard earned dollars, until a future unspecified show...and I'm glad you were able to get your money back (as you should).

...but on the other hand there may not be future shows at these venues unless they are able to hold on to at least a portion of the funds they had in their hands for shows that couldn't take place.

[01001010]

Hi there! In theory, I kind of agree with this, but if there's one thing this whole pandemic seems to be underlining, it's that our entire post-industrialized way of doing things is in serious need of a reset. It is kind of scary how this virus affects literally everyone on the entire planet, but I can't help but fall back on the flight emergency oxygen mask analogy. The basic protocol being that you have to take care of yourself before you're going to be able to help anyone else.

I get it, though. I'm a former independent booker, and one of the most important lessons I learned many years ago, is that *if* you can afford to take a hit, then maybe you don't try to sue the small struggling indie club that couldn't pay the band what was agreed on, because they just couldn't get enough people in the door. I've also handed bands money out of my own wallet in situations like that, to make sure they could eat and put gas in their van, and hopefully do better in the next town. I've also worked in clubs where major acts cancelled a tour, and we chose to refund tickets, because frankly, if we were going to go under, we were *not* going to take everyone else's money with us.

It does seem like a good idea to be aware of the needs of other people, but sometimes you're just not going to be able to save the world. There are a *lot* of people in different sectors that are being affected: businesses, homeowners, renters, etc, and I can't help but feel that it's about time the 1% (for want of a better term) should step up and do their part to help keep things working by forgiving debt at some level for anyone whose financial situation has been seriously impacted. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to seriously think about how we can re-invent how we do things, because it's painfully obvious (to me, at least) that the old existing model has been broken for a long time.

Sorry to have apparently derailed this, I'm not trying to preach or pick a fight here, but this is all stuff I've been thinking about for a while now, and this current situation just kind of brings it home, I think.

I understand why refunds aren't being offered right off the bat...these businesses are likely to go under with no music.
Its literally, do we want to be able to stay in business to offer future shows?

Sure, not everybody can afford to let the venue hold on to their hard earned dollars, until a future unspecified show...and I'm glad you were able to get your money back (as you should).

...but on the other hand there may not be future shows at these venues unless they are able to hold on to at least a portion of the funds they had in their hands for shows that couldn't take place.