Buzzo has some...odd views

[SnopperTheSecond]

Then you don't agree w/Buzzo's views but that's fine. I'm going to comment on the original post and I noticed you also questioned this first-time poster's intentions. He does make vague points and the only claim he leaves a source has a misleading quote pulled. Anyway, I think it's a weird culture where everybody thinks people they don't agree w/aren't allowed to express their opinions.

Explain how my quote was misleading. Go to the link and read it. I didn't misrepresent anything there.

Also, I love how you think I said he shouldnt be allowed to express his opinion. Did I advocate censorship, or am I saying he shouldn't talk about something he's completely ignorant about? There is a difference.

[SnopperTheSecond]

Buzz is very Libertarian.

Jimi Hendrix beat one of his girlfriends with a telephone.
Frank Zappa fucked many groupies with a wife and kids at home.
Miles Davis was a pimp.
Chuck Berry filmed women peeing without their consent.
James Brown did so much bad shit you can barely keep track.
Roy Estrada (of Captain Beefhear and Zappa fame) is a pedophile.
Dave Holland (Judas Priest drummer) was a pedophile.
Hell, for that matter, a majority of the touring rock stars of the late 60's through the 80's had their fair share of underage groupie escapades.

Buzz is very Libertarian. I may not agree with all of his politics, but then, I also don't agree with all of Jello Biafra's politics either. At least he ain't Ted Nugent!

What's your point? It's not like I'm saying ppl shouldn't buy his albums or something. Nor am i making it a matter of morality, but ignorance vs knowledge. We have people these days spreading bullshit everywhere, and that is disintegrating society. As I have to LIVE in society, I'd rather not have dangerous ignorance spread. As well, a friend recently almost died from a superbug and I know someone involved in research in that area and what they tell me is pretty alarming.

[SnopperTheSecond]

. Moreover, even if they were Trump fans, so what? This idea that an artist should be "canceled" for not voting for the right party is, IMO, how you end up with Trump in the first place.

I'd like to point out 2 things. First is- when GW Bush was president, the Dixie Chicks famously got 'canceled' from country radio  and boycotted bc they criticized the Iraq War. GW Bush got re-elected, so apparently this works only in one direction? I could give many other examples.

The second is sadly ironic. I won't go into excruciating detail, but the Trump response to Covid-19 was inept for a number of reasons specific to the Trump administration (ie, his incompetent appointment to head the CDC, the choice to removed the Pandemic team from the NSC, etc).

'So what?' you ask.  Well, all the artists we all like to see live-  their opportunities to tour are ruined. Now, that would have happened anyway for a while, but the time of that is inarguably extended now due to Trump's response. And if things are loosened, they will get tightened again as another wave hits.

So, any musician that voted for trump basically slit their own throats. Funny how that works.

[John Schuller]

Buzz is very Libertarian.

Jimi Hendrix beat one of his girlfriends with a telephone.
Frank Zappa fucked many groupies with a wife and kids at home.
Miles Davis was a pimp.
Chuck Berry filmed women peeing without their consent.
James Brown did so much bad shit you can barely keep track.
Roy Estrada (of Captain Beefhear and Zappa fame) is a pedophile.
Dave Holland (Judas Priest drummer) was a pedophile.
Hell, for that matter, a majority of the touring rock stars of the late 60's through the 80's had their fair share of underage groupie escapades.

Buzz is very Libertarian. I may not agree with all of his politics, but then, I also don't agree with all of Jello Biafra's politics either. At least he ain't Ted Nugent!

What's your point? It's not like I'm saying ppl shouldn't buy his albums or something. Nor am i making it a matter of morality, but ignorance vs knowledge. We have people these days spreading bullshit everywhere, and that is disintegrating society. As I have to LIVE in society, I'd rather not have dangerous ignorance spread. As well, a friend recently almost died from a superbug and I know someone involved in research in that area and what they tell me is pretty alarming.

My point is, one the scale of BAD SHIT that a musical artist can be responsible for? Buzz saying "I should be able to go to the store and by anti-biotics whenever I want" is him spewing Libertarian views that have very much to do with "I should be able to do whatever I want to with my own body" without thinking it all of the way through how that freedom of choice might affect others. At least he isn't a woman-beating, child-raping piece of shit. I've been reading and listening to Buzz interviews for decades; it is not like he is a social-media influencer telling people to skip vaccinating their children. I would wager to believe that most of his dedicated fans except for Greg Gutfeld and some people from Orange County don't align with most of his political beliefs.

Sorry about your friend. Losing friends just sucks - I wish you the best in dealing with that.

[SnopperTheSecond]

My point is, one the scale of BAD SHIT that a musical artist can be responsible for? Buzz saying "I should be able to go to the store and by anti-biotics whenever I want" is him spewing Libertarian views that have very much to do with "I should be able to do whatever I want to with my own body" without thinking it all of the way through how that freedom of choice might affect others. At least he isn't a woman-beating, child-raping piece of shit. I've been reading and listening to Buzz interviews for decades; it is not like he is a social-media influencer telling people to skip vaccinating their children. I would wager to believe that most of his dedicated fans except for Greg Gutfeld and some people from Orange County don't align with most of his political beliefs.

Sorry about your friend. Losing friends just sucks - I wish you the best in dealing with that.

I mean-  apples/oranges.  Since I wasn't remotely calling him a 'bad person', I don't understand why you're bringing up pedophiles. One is an individual criminal behavior, the other is spreading misinformation. Unless the idea is we should just let musicians say whatever retarded shit they want and not call them on it, just bc we like their music.

[dead mike]

. Moreover, even if they were Trump fans, so what? This idea that an artist should be "canceled" for not voting for the right party is, IMO, how you end up with Trump in the first place.

I'd like to point out 2 things. First is- when GW Bush was president, the Dixie Chicks famously got 'canceled' from country radio  and boycotted bc they criticized the Iraq War. GW Bush got re-elected, so apparently this works only in one direction? I could give many other examples.

The second is sadly ironic. I won't go into excruciating detail, but the Trump response to Covid-19 was inept for a number of reasons specific to the Trump administration (ie, his incompetent appointment to head the CDC, the choice to removed the Pandemic team from the NSC, etc).

'So what?' you ask.  Well, all the artists we all like to see live-  their opportunities to tour are ruined. Now, that would have happened anyway for a while, but the time of that is inarguably extended now due to Trump's response. And if things are loosened, they will get tightened again as another wave hits.

So, any musician that voted for trump basically slit their own throats. Funny how that works.

Ah, yes the Dixie Chicks. I remember that controversy from, what's it been, 16, 17 years ago? I also remember how they instantly became the favorite country musicians of people who don't like country music. So terrible what those right wingers did to them. If it's not Elvis and his swiveling hips corrupting America's youth, it's the Dixie Chicks. (Note: Do not under any circumstances admit the existence of Kanye West, Scarlett Johansson, Quentin Tarantino, Todd Phillips, Bill Hicks, Drew Brees, In-N-Out Burger, numerous YA novelists and conservative guest speakers at universities.)

[John Schuller]

My point is, one the scale of BAD SHIT that a musical artist can be responsible for? Buzz saying "I should be able to go to the store and by anti-biotics whenever I want" is him spewing Libertarian views that have very much to do with "I should be able to do whatever I want to with my own body" without thinking it all of the way through how that freedom of choice might affect others. At least he isn't a woman-beating, child-raping piece of shit. I've been reading and listening to Buzz interviews for decades; it is not like he is a social-media influencer telling people to skip vaccinating their children. I would wager to believe that most of his dedicated fans except for Greg Gutfeld and some people from Orange County don't align with most of his political beliefs.

Sorry about your friend. Losing friends just sucks - I wish you the best in dealing with that.

I mean-  apples/oranges.  Since I wasn't remotely calling him a 'bad person', I don't understand why you're bringing up pedophiles. One is an individual criminal behavior, the other is spreading misinformation. Unless the idea is we should just let musicians say whatever retarded shit they want and not call them on it, just bc we like their music.

I think you might want to call the Manager to complain?

[JASONALEXANDER]

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[Rusty Shackleford]

He really should stay in his lane and just discuss music and other creative pursuits, and the music business. He has plenty of non-ignorant things to say about them.

"Stay in his lane".  What a bunch of modern day judgemental know-it-all bullshit. 

This leads me to a guess that you haven't read and listened to the amount of stuff about Buzz and the band that most of the regulars here have.  He's repeatedly said people should never look to musicians/entertainers for advice or wisdom about shit.  He states his opinions because he's obviously a thinking person who's developed lots of them over a career of making music that stomps minds into the ground and people ask him about stuff. 

[vince furnier]

[JASONALEXANDER]

[John Schuller]

He really should stay in his lane and just discuss music and other creative pursuits, and the music business. He has plenty of non-ignorant things to say about them.

"Stay in his lane".  What a bunch of modern day judgemental know-it-all bullshit. 

This leads me to a guess that you haven't read and listened to the amount of stuff about Buzz and the band that most of the regulars here have.  He's repeatedly said people should never look to musicians/entertainers for advice or wisdom about shit.  He states his opinions because he's obviously a thinking person who's developed lots of them over a career of making music that stomps minds into the ground and people ask him about stuff.

THIS

[SnopperTheSecond]

Ah, yes the Dixie Chicks. I remember that controversy from, what's it been, 16, 17 years ago? I also remember how they instantly became the favorite country musicians of people who don't like country music. So terrible what those right wingers did to them. If it's not Elvis and his swiveling hips corrupting America's youth, it's the Dixie Chicks. (Note: Do not under any circumstances admit the existence of Kanye West, Scarlett Johansson, Quentin Tarantino, Todd Phillips, Bill Hicks, Drew Brees, In-N-Out Burger, numerous YA novelists and conservative guest speakers at universities.)
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I was responding to what you said- 'This idea that an artist should be "canceled" for not voting for the right party is, IMO, how you end up with Trump in the first place.'  Reread what I typed, it was quite a specific thing in response to your specific remark.  It wasn't about censorship or boycotts in general, but about your statement that boycotts is 'how you end up with Trump'. Again, reread what I wrote carefully, not what you might THINK I typed.

Their music is completely negligible, but yes, it was actually pretty terrible what happened to the Dixie Chicks. Apparently, you don't seem to think so. So, I don't really get your stance. But , whatever.

[SnopperTheSecond]

He really should stay in his lane and just discuss music and other creative pursuits, and the music business. He has plenty of non-ignorant things to say about them.

"Stay in his lane".  What a bunch of modern day judgemental know-it-all bullshit. 

This leads me to a guess that you haven't read and listened to the amount of stuff about Buzz and the band that most of the regulars here have.  He's repeatedly said people should never look to musicians/entertainers for advice or wisdom about shit.  He states his opinions because he's obviously a thinking person who's developed lots of them over a career of making music that stomps minds into the ground and people ask him about stuff.

We are all making judgments all the time about everything. So I don't get your complaint, or how it is 'modern day'. If anything, it seems people increasingly want their feelings and needs to override facts, which is how we end up with a lot of stupid policies and behavior.

Yes, I've heard him say people shouldn't look to musicians etc. But he doesn't hesitate to voice his views confidently, which is fine. But other people are allowed to use their free speech to comment on it. That's how things work, or should.  If people need Buzzo or another musician to have a safe space, free of criticism, well, I don't know what to tell ya. Seems a case of hero worship

[Rusty Shackleford]

We are all making judgments all the time about everything. So I don't get your complaint, or how it is 'modern day'. If anything, it seems people increasingly want their feelings and needs to override facts, which is how we end up with a lot of stupid policies and behavior.

Yes, I've heard him say people shouldn't look to musicians etc. But he doesn't hesitate to voice his views confidently, which is fine. But other people are allowed to use their free speech to comment on it. That's how things work, or should.  If people need Buzzo or another musician to have a safe space, free of criticism, well, I don't know what to tell ya. Seems a case of hero worship

Far from safe space, no criticism hero worship.  We could be talking about Axl Rose or some fuck and I'd say much the same thing.  Especially if Axl's feelings had been said over and over to be never get your opinions on important shit from musicians.  But you're right, let's pick them apart anyway, because it's the right thing to do and he needs to learn his lesson that he has a lane and should stay in it!  Here by decreed by some random new asshole in the asshole collection on The Melvins forum. 

Yes, modern day in how today it's much more common for everyday nobodies to mistake criticism for critical thinking, make sweeping pronouncements about someone, and to somehow make themselves feel important for pointing out things about other people, like it's essential work on behalf of making the world better. 

Please continue the good fight in exposing these outrageous opinions of artists, I hear those polka guys have some wacky thoughts on midwifery and prison reform.  You're doing God's work, raising the hard questions and exposing truths that we worshippers resist confronting, and I'd never want to stand in the way of a true warrior on a free speech crusade...