Can anyone hear a Tool influence on the two new songs, Suicide in Progress, and Billy Fish? To me they've got an 'epic sound', somewhat related to a 'Tool Sound.' Is it just me? Am I crazy?
You're crazy! :P
[edit] I take that back, actually they do sound vaguely like TooL, but I can't pinpoint an exact song that I could make a comparison to.
i think its quite the opposite.
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As someone mentioned, it is absolutely the other way around.
Seriously though, I can see why you would say that. But it's still probably more to do with the fact that Tool has that Melvins influence than anything else.
I can vividly remember seeing Tool pre-Aenima when they would play Stinkfist live and think that someone in this band definately has been listening to a lot of Melvins...
The drumming in Billy Fish really reminded me of a Tool song. That said, the drumming in a lot of Tool songs reminds me of Melvins songs...
I have no idea about a 'Tool' sound but I already don't like this thread.
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I think bUTTHOLEmAN is trying to bait me.
I haven't heard these new songs you mentioned, but if anything, Tool is trying to sound like Neurosis, not the Melvins.
hey poontang!
billy fish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVmYtyO8Kw
suicide in progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHRw2mo-Lg
Damn! That Suicide in Progress riff is tight! I heard it awhile ago, but I guess I forgot about it. Of course, they always play super fast when they're playing live. Thanks for posting Glen.
Does anyone else feel like the main verse is kinda same-y? Maybe like we've heard it before or something close to it? Thoughts?
Yes we've heard this all before.
I don't think the Melvins have ever gone out to try and sound like anyone imparticular. They've always just done they're own thing but, I doubt that they've never been inspired by anyone's ones work. To me they're two entirely different bands that are friends and have inspired each other to keep pushing each other to do more in they're music. You have to admit as the Melvins' music progresses the more different they're sound is but, still innovative enough to have a loyal fan bass and still attract new ones with every album. Though on a personal note that recent Tool album that came out just sounds like something they should have released as a second CD with Laterlaurus or whatever. It's a nice album no doubt but, I wanna hear something from Tool that I wouldn't expect. 10,000 Days was just like, "OK...nothing I haven't heard from them before."
Quote from: glen on January 23, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
hey poontang!
billy fish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVmYtyO8Kw
suicide in progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHRw2mo-Lg
Thanks buddy! Will check once I get home from work.
Quote from: the bloat on January 23, 2008, 02:22:21 PM
Damn! That Suicide in Progress riff is tight! I heard it awhile ago, but I guess I forgot about it. Of course, they always play super fast when they're playing live. Thanks for posting Glen.
Does anyone else feel like the main verse is kinda same-y? Maybe like we've heard it before or something close to it? Thoughts?
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Quote from: glen on January 23, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
hey poontang!
billy fish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVmYtyO8Kw
suicide in progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHRw2mo-Lg
Wang Dang sweet poon tang.
Don't get stuck on the Tool reference, I think it's more of a reference to opus styled, alice cooper story telling songs. I think people get what I'm going at, but if I can clarify it in the future i will.
you would have to say the opposite
the only common influence among the Tool members is the Melvins, I remember reading that somewhere
The first sesction of "Suicide..." sounds like ZZ Top to me.
i get the "story telling" part of it, but i dont know about a tool influence
unrelated
if you listen to The Bit
its easy to tell they've influenced Mastodon
that and they covered it
wonder why? :lol:
i like big business
but i really don't like the big melvins material
can't stand billy fish
dunno bout the tool influence, can't stand them either
maybe your right
bring back rutmanis
the guitarist from Tool (adam) is one of the biggest melvins fans of all time.
it is unavoidable that melvins influenced adam's guitar style, just as tom morello did (RATM).
actually, Tom is the one who taught adam how to play guitar, and Buzz inspired adam to take it a little further.
in the long run, though, Tool has now influenced the melvins in a way, as can be expected after 10 years of friendship between bands.
i think the common bond between melvins-tool was a mixture of black sabbath-pink floyd and PUNK music.
example: when the jello biafra-melvins re-released Sieg Howdy, adam jones (from tool) is playing guitar on many of the tracks... you wouldn't have expected Mr. Serious Tool Guy to be into punk music, but he really always has been.
more melvins tracks featuring adam:
toadi acceleratio
POTRE
pink bat
the anti-vermin seed (virus, not guitar)
colossus of destiny (virus, again?)
eye flys (COD live version)
divorced (also feat. danny & maynard... and justin?)
QuoteThe Tool Influence
I think we can speak about
The Melvins Influence for Tool.
Quote from: dijk cheese on February 09, 2008, 05:20:21 AM
bring back rutmanis
It would be cool, but it'll never happen.
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
it is unavoidable that melvins influenced adam's guitar style, just as tom morello did (RATM).
actually, Tom is the one who taught adam how to play guitar, and Buzz inspired adam to take it a little further.
:)
if what you are saying is true i really wish me for Adam that Buzz replaces Tom Morello as guitar-teacher up to the end of the scholastic year
Quote from: Jaron on January 23, 2008, 04:03:18 PM
I don't think the Melvins have ever gone out to try and sound like anyone imparticular. They've always just done they're own thing but, I doubt that they've never been inspired by anyone's ones work. To me they're two entirely different bands that are friends and have inspired each other to keep pushing each other to do more in they're music. You have to admit as the Melvins' music progresses the more different they're sound is but, still innovative enough to have a loyal fan bass and still attract new ones with every album. Though on a personal note that recent Tool album that came out just sounds like something they should have released as a second CD with Laterlaurus or whatever. It's a nice album no doubt but, I wanna hear something from Tool that I wouldn't expect. 10,000 Days was just like, "OK...nothing I haven't heard from them before."
EXACTLY!
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
the guitarist from Tool (adam) is one of the biggest melvins fans of all time.
I've got a picture of Adam at a melvins show, and he's got the biggest, goofiest grin during the whole set. He looked like he was really enjoying the show.
10,000 Days sounds absolutely nothing like Tool's previous releases.
to say otherwise shows complete ignorance of the last 16 years of Tool's music.
its like Lateralus Part 2, they just inverted the riffs from Lateralus
on half the songs of 10,ooo days. for real man.
Tool has never changed...
They just learnt how to make their songs longer than the songs on their previous album.
Quote from: SpaceFarm on April 21, 2008, 03:15:36 AM
Tool has never changed...
They just learnt how to make their songs longer than the songs on their previous album.
Exactly!
This might be blasphemy, but Buzz's singing hook's on Billy Fish reminded me of "tommorow" by Silverchair.
Quote from: turnacus on May 01, 2008, 08:31:57 AM
This might be blasphemy, but Buzz's singing hook's on Billy Fish reminded me of "tommorow" by Silverchair.
its not blasphemy.
i hate to what if and if only blah blah but I wish trevor dunn accepted to be the melvins bass player when they asked him.
Doesnt any one call them BIG BELVINS anymore?
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
Quote from: turnacus on May 02, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
whoa... now that would be something.. i never even though about that before.
who would play guitar though?
scott stone? :lol: that would be goofy... especially if he started to play his get hustle style
I joked about this before, but they could have Buzz and Dale both on guitar and
vocals together with the big biz guys holding down drums and bass. I only say this
becuse I'm greedy, I'd love to hear Altamont and Melvins styles both in the same
band. :o
Quote from: turnacus on May 02, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
I think Buzz is happier than ever with his guitar playing, but I can't deny that's an exciting proposal - Buzz is one bad ass bass ass.
Also, word on the street is that Al Cinseros has been jamming with Dale, right? Oooohhhh!!! :D
isn't buzz playing bass on June Bug?
Quote from: black stallion on May 03, 2008, 06:18:57 AM
isn't buzz playing bass on June Bug?
And on In The Freakthose..., Sky Pup, maybe a bunch of other songs from Houdini, and on a song called 'Noise', it's on the Barbaraal 7", Mark D era. They did a bunch of shows of which the first set had Buzz on bass, and Mark D on guitar.
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think this pic is from that era cuz he's playing mark's fender precision bass
buzz should play the drums. dale should leave the band. jared bass. coady guitar.
Quote from: turnacus on May 02, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
No no no! Jared should play bass with massive distortion and Buzz should become the solo-bassist. So they had a two bass players and no guitar player and the lineup would look like this:
Buzz: Vocals, lead bass
Jared: Rhytm bass
Dale: Drums
Coady: Drums
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
actually, Tom is the one who taught adam how to play guitar, and Buzz inspired adam to take it a little further.
Depending on where you read this its either adam taught tom or tom taught adam.
But they where in a band together called electric sheep.
Quote from: YearZero on May 12, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: turnacus on May 02, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
No no no! Jared should play bass with massive distortion and Buzz should become the solo-bassist. So they had a two bass players and no guitar player and the lineup would look like this:
Buzz: Vocals, lead bass
Jared: Rhytm bass
Dale: Drums
Coady: Drums
dude thats stupid.
i think buzz should be kicked out and jared coady and dale should start a vocal trio.
lineup would look like this:
Buzz: Kicked out.
Dale-lead vocals
Jared-Rhythm Vocals
Coady-Backing Vocals.
Quote from: Uncle Fester on May 12, 2008, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: YearZero on May 12, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: turnacus on May 02, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
Buzz should move to bass and they should get a new guitar player.
They need more fresh blood.
No no no! Jared should play bass with massive distortion and Buzz should become the solo-bassist. So they had a two bass players and no guitar player and the lineup would look like this:
Buzz: Vocals, lead bass
Jared: Rhytm bass
Dale: Drums
Coady: Drums
dude thats stupid.
i think buzz should be kicked out and jared coady and dale should start a vocal trio.
lineup would look like this:
Buzz: Kicked out.
Dale-lead vocals
Jared-Rhythm Vocals
Coady-Backing Vocals.
They obviously are going to scrap using instruments and all start beatboxin.
I think my IQ went down after reading this thread.
How can Glen not like Tool?!?
Jack Osborne likes Tool
"He enjoys heavy metal and his favourite bands include: Tool, Incubus, Faith No More, System of a Down, Tenacious D, Meshuggah, Rage Against the Machine, Slipknot, and Mudvayne."
And did Jack really sleep with paris? I don't know.
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Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 13, 2008, 08:35:14 PM
How can Glen not like Tool?!?
Jack Osborne likes Tool
"He enjoys heavy metal and his favourite bands include: Tool, Incubus, Faith No More, System of a Down, Tenacious D, Meshuggah, Rage Against the Machine, Slipknot, and Mudvayne."
And did Jack really sleep with paris? I don't know.
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now we've discovered yearzero's real identity!
does jack like the melvins?
Quote from: bUTTHOLEmAN on May 13, 2008, 08:35:14 PM
And did Jack really sleep with paris? I don't know.
I assumed you knew all..when it came to the topic of Paris. :wink:
Quote from: Leroy on May 13, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
does jack like the melvins?
i think so. everyone get something right at some point.
Quote from: jaymz on May 12, 2008, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
actually, Tom is the one who taught adam how to play guitar, and Buzz inspired adam to take it a little further.
Depending on where you read this its either adam taught tom or tom taught adam.
But they where in a band together called electric sheep.
when they were in school together in chicago, IL they had that band, adam was the bass player for electric sheep, with Tom on guitar. it was during those times that Tom was teaching him guitar tricks & stuff, how to manipulate distortion.
Tom was probably playing guitar for years way before Adam even started playing bass.
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
more melvins tracks featuring adam:
toadi acceleratio
POTRE
pink bat
the anti-vermin seed (virus, not guitar)
colossus of destiny (virus, again?)
eye flys (COD live version)
divorced (also feat. danny & maynard... and justin?)
Could someone please tell me what is meant by "virus"?
Maynard is featured in Divorced? How so?
Quote from: Hog Leg on May 14, 2008, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: ninigiku on April 13, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
more melvins tracks featuring adam:
toadi acceleratio
POTRE
pink bat
the anti-vermin seed (virus, not guitar)
colossus of destiny (virus, again?)
eye flys (COD live version)
divorced (also feat. danny & maynard... and justin?)
Could someone please tell me what is meant by "virus"?
As I understand it, Virus is a synthesizer model.
Quote from: Windshield on May 14, 2008, 07:16:12 PM
Maynard is featured in Divorced? How so?
They are the voices at the end of the track on the recording, I believe Maynard's part is where he is saying the girls voice is like a toaster or something.
I hear no Tool influence in the Melvins songs.
Quote from: Joey D. on May 15, 2008, 02:42:34 PM
I hear no Tool influence in the Melvins songs.
do you hear melvins influence in tool songs?
Quote from: glen on May 15, 2008, 02:44:41 PM
Quote from: Joey D. on May 15, 2008, 02:42:34 PM
I hear no Tool influence in the Melvins songs.
do you hear melvins influence in tool songs?
I go crazy hearing Melvins influence in tons of bands. Apart from the obvious, it might be an idea to start a thread with bands who heavily paid tribute to the Melvins. I don't mean rip offs, but obvious tributes. OK, work to do tomorrow :)
I don't hear any Melvins influence in Tool songs either. Completely different sounds.
Quote from: Joey D. on May 15, 2008, 07:04:40 PM
I don't hear any Melvins influence in Tool songs either. Completely different sounds.
how about the crazy little noise things that tool started suddenly doing?
you know.. the old "lets try to alienate the fuck out of people" game.
too me that is heavily melvins influenced. were there tool noise tracks before the melvins connection was made? pretty sure no.
then again, I don't know shit.
Glen you are coming off as someone who doesn't listen to Tool but loves to criticize them
so no you don't know shit about Tool, all due respect
that being said I thought 10000 Days lacked a lot in terms of depth, especially the vocals, and it was a definite step down from Lateralus
Quote from: change&suffocation on May 16, 2008, 11:23:57 AM
Glen you are coming off as someone who doesn't listen to Tool but loves to criticize them
so no you don't know shit about Tool, all due respect
that being said I thought 10000 Days lacked a lot in terms of depth, especially the vocals, and it was a definite step down from Lateralus
sorry. I'll be better. :D
I don't listen to tool. because I
can't listen to tool.
and I do love to criticize them. because I have very little respect for them.
oopsy. that wasn't any better was it? last time, I promise.
don't be getting me wrong though. just spouting off. I DO greatly respect the fact that tool is well liked around here by people who I hold in high regard. just matters of opinion, thats all. maybe digs are uncalled for. I see myself in the reflection, it shows a narrow-minded, "my opinion is supremely correct and everyone else's is garbage" person. I'm embarrassed by that. if you can't learn then YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! :D
Tool has weird noisy jam type things going on their Undertow album. I believe that album came out before the Melvins/Tool friendship, I could be wrong about that though.
I've always thought that sound that starts the Lateralus record sounds alot like the sound that starts the Ozma/GPT record(Lori turning on her bass rig). I wonder if this is a tip of the hat to the Melvins? I think it's interesting to discover a new band that sounds completely original and fresh, and then to track down the music that the people in said band claim as influences, and discover... oh, that's where they got that from. I think Tool picked up alot from middle era King Crimson.
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