Pigs of the Roman Empire

[benton netty]

Hey Tony, nice to see you're still sticking to your guns, but does sound quality really prevent you from enjoying the song? That's sad if it does.

why would that be "sad"? if a decent song sounds like shit, it's hard for me to enjoy it. what's so hard to understand about that?

Because your not listening to the song as a song. You can't hear through production, which sucks for you.

oh, please. don't tell me how i listen. i've got thousands of albums, and i've recorded plenty of my own over the years.

a well-produced good song is better than a poorly-produced good song. that's a point that shouldn't have to be made. your logic fails because the melvins have themselves gone to the trouble of spending thousands of dollars to record their albums in pricy california studios in the past. if production quality had no bearing on the listening experience, everyone would record their records on 4-track cassette.

your argument is like saying that a copy of "the godfather" on DVD is the same as a copy on VHS that has been copied 15 times, which is ridiculous.

the recording quality does play into your listening experience, whether you know it or not. and all i'm saying is that i spend a lot of time recording, myself, and so it's even more so to me. a song like "pink bat" or especially "safety third" would be much more enjoyable if they had mixed them less retardedly. the songs are lost in the murk.

shit, the kick drum on "safety last" is so loud as to be distracting. put it on next to "the bloated pope" (a well-produced song) at a loud level and you'll see what i mean.

[benton netty]

the production has to be done on purpose.  i don't think they would put out anything less than what they were going for.  sorta like goggles, when i first heard that i thought they fucked up on the drums, but it's ALL intentional with these guys.  
personally i don't see what lustmord did that was so amazing,electronic genius? hardly.  the bloated pope kills.

i agree that it is all on purpose, but that doesn't mean that it works. not everyone is "on" all the time, let's face it. i think that they were probably like "here, lustmord, mix this shit how you want," and he took charge. this is just a total guess, but i wouldn't doubt it. he *is* listed as "producer" in the liner notes...

the odd thing is that i really love the song "goggles" on stag. it's produced super-weirdly, but it works for that particular song, because the song is really weird itself. a more "rock" song like "pink bat" or "safety third" doesn't really work as well with f-ed up production, because you lose the impact and intensity of the music.

also, "stag" has no shortage of good, solid rock songs (unlike "pigs of the roman empire"), so when "goggles" comes along, it's a nice change. "stag" is probably my favorite melvins album. it depends on the day, though.

but, yeah, people that think lustmord is a genius? um.

[benton netty]

i really don't understand you guys at all...this is a CD of real music! it isn't vacuum noise and beeps!  there are three, nay, four very straightforward songs on here (pope, pinkbat, safetythird, toadi) which are blended together with quite interesting and lovely ambiance.  plus, if you can enjoy the title track, it's got like 3 different songs in it!    you people that are saying it's a vacuum noise/colossus album really need to re-think what you are saying, because minute-for-minute there is a ton of rockable music on here.

"actual songs"-
bloated pope: 3:45
toadi acceleratio: 3:25
pink bat: 6:23
safety third: 6:11
TOTAL: 19:44
+pigs of the roman empire because it is mostly music, so i would say the total for "Actual Music" is closer to 30:00

"Noise"-
III: 3:00
ZZZZ best: 1:59
Idolatrous Apostate: 6:46
Untitled: 5:47
TOTAL: 17:32 (keep in mind these "vacuum noises" add to the album, not detract from it.)

uh, your math is off, dude.

the CD i have is 60:00 long.

"toadi" is "straightforward"? gimme a break. it sounds like the intro to a tool song. only without the song.

"interesting ambience"? honestly, what's interesting about a bunch of reverby booms, clanks, and synth pads? seriously?

the title track does not have three "songs" in it. it's got a bunch of lustmord shit, a riff, a funky drum beat, and an admittedly AWESOME riff that sadly goes nowhere. i would argue that riffs and beats by themselves are not "songs."

you said: "if you listen to 2, then 5, then 7, it's like you have a real melvins CD, except better because the songs are real dense thanks to the hand of Lustmord, and they are nice and long." i disagree with this, because all of the "real melvins CD's" that i have contain more than THREE MEASLY SONGS!

[blacksanta]

Hey Brian, what's your opinion of Pigs?

[Joe Deutrom]

This album is good. I say its a mix between H.A.T. and Fantomas' Delirium Cordia without Patton's voice effects. It has ominous atmospheric textures throughout, even in the more straightforward songs. The Melvins cannot be all things to all people. To those who say the production isn't great, I don't hear what you are talking about. If you are refering to Dale's drums it might be because they were run through various filters. On a scale of 1-5, I give P.O.T.R.E. a 4.  

[Dr. Gonzo]

A 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to hear some good music someday.

[groundmeat]

Haven't heard it yet, so I have a question for the people who don't like/hate the album - how does it compare to Honky ?

[Dr. Gonzo]

it doesn't!!!

It's good... but Honky is amazing, This new album is quite a distance from it.

One of the reasons I talk the truth, is cause I'm listening to shit that blows the new melvins away when I type this. So I have no regrets.
Don't listen to anyone "fooling themselves"..........

[klump]

oh my god! why cant everyone just like what they like and leave each other alone???!!!

this thread is getting boring and childish.

there is just one thing we can agree on and that is :

some like it,
some dont,
now shut the fuck up .


please:)

[Reverend Ebeneezer]

you said: "if you listen to 2, then 5, then 7, it's like you have a real melvins CD, except better because the songs are real dense thanks to the hand of Lustmord, and they are nice and long." i disagree with this, because all of the "real melvins CD's" that i have contain more than THREE MEASLY SONGS!

The Joe Preston CD?














Sorry, I'm just being faceious...

[LouiLoomis]

your argument is like saying that a copy of "the godfather" on DVD is the same as a copy on VHS that has been copied 15 times, which is ridiculous.

BUT it doesn't make it a bad film does it?

And can we hear some of your recordings?

[klump]

oh my god! why cant everyone just like what they like and leave each other alone???!!!

this thread is getting boring and childish.

there is just one thing we can agree on and that is :

some like it,
some dont,
now shut the fuck up .


please:)

[klump]

this thread is no longer about the melvins, its become production debate that stinks of rotting fish.......

[Metalhead Cow]

A 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to hear some good music someday.

Come on man, some people like it, and some don't. It dosen't mean he listens to bad music. It's all about opinions.

[Metalhead Cow]

you said: "if you listen to 2, then 5, then 7, it's like you have a real melvins CD, except better because the songs are real dense thanks to the hand of Lustmord, and they are nice and long." i disagree with this, because all of the "real melvins CD's" that i have contain more than THREE MEASLY SONGS!

The Joe Preston CD?














Sorry, I'm just being faceious...

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