:shock:
http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/blog/slim-moon-melvins-buzz-controversy.html (http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/blog/slim-moon-melvins-buzz-controversy.html)
Slim Moon, the founder of indie label Kill Rock Stars, has criticised the Melvins' Buzz Osborne for comments he made in an interview with The Stool Pigeon. The fuzzy-headed guitarist, 46, told the paper:
"sustained by the ego strokes he gets for his work from his fans"
Well, duh.
Quote from: black stallion on August 05, 2010, 06:29:11 AM
maybe he has no respect for the hypsters singer-songwriters I work with mostly nowadays
fixed
Slim- "maybe he has no respect for the quirky underground singer-songwriters I work with mostly nowadays"
I definitely have no respect for the quirky underground singer-songwriters he works with. :lol:
Why would you ask someone who's at the top of their game if they're tiered of what they do ?
IMO,'Bride' is one of the Melvins best albums to date. It sounds like Slim is just jealous that
the Melvins are still vital & unique after 25 years , while he releases flavor of the month stuff
that has a relatively short shelf life. I think the last things I bought on KRS were a Thrones 7"
from '94 and a Peechees CD from '99. Once he started doing lame milk toast bullshit like Elliot
Smith he went downhill....I still don't know how I feel about Deerhoof though.
I think they should fight.
Also, I have no idea who Slim Moon is.
WEIRD LOUD ROCK MUSIC = #1
Quote from: rictus on August 05, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
Also, I have no idea who Slim Moon is.
Could be Keith's nephew I suppose.
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 05, 2010, 12:59:31 PM
Once he started doing lame milk toast bullshit like Elliot Smith he went downhill
Looking at the list of artists on the label that sums them up quite well. As you said JZS, flavour of the month hipster stuff. No wonder Buzz looks the other way.
"Underground is where they bury you."
I forgot about kill rock stars involvement with the melvins, but buzz is probably right.
what was that melvins release again? I think I saw a 7'' or something once, stuff is hard to get nowadays.
They had a really good song on one of their compilations, also. Too bad they apparently favor hipster crap over punk rock nowadays.
Quote from: TheLegitMan93 on August 05, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
They had a really good song on one of their compilations, also. Too bad they apparently favor hipster crap over punk rock nowadays.
The desert ?
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 05, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: TheLegitMan93 on August 05, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
They had a really good song on one of their compilations, also. Too bad they apparently favor hipster crap over punk rock nowadays.
The desert ?
Never heard that one. I really liked that fast version of "Ever Since My Accident", though. (the compilation version sounds much better than the one on "26 Songs", quality-wise)
I'm gonna say something unpopular. Get ready. Elliott Smith is not bad. I hardly ever listen to him except when my wife does, but he's not bad music. An album can get a bit draining by the end of it (the vocals sound nice but often samey in a way that is fatiguing, at least on the early stuff). Later recordings have dynamics in the production that are nice. When I hear the guy, I typically get in the mood to turn it off and put in a Nick Drake disc, but hey when my wife has it on I can appreciate it.
So yeah, I usually stay the hell away from stuff with "that" aesthetic, but ES isn't crap. One of my cats is even named Elliott. Whatever.
The great thing is that Buzz is keeping with the loud rock music, but he keeps making it interesting. I can see the criticism if he was just putting out Road To Ruin every year (even though that is a great album), but he's not. And look at a band like Boris; loud and rock has lots of potential. If I were to limit myself to one popular music branch I'd side with loud rock music any day, just for this reason.
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 08, 2010, 04:44:51 PM
" I hardly ever listen to him"
"An album can get a bit draining"
" the vocals sound nice but often samey in a way that is fatiguing"
" When I hear the guy, I typically get in the mood to turn it off "
" I usually stay the hell away from stuff with "that" aesthetic"
Sterling Endorsement. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The older I get, the more I tire of Buzz's shtick.
Conversely, the older he gets, the more Dale seems like a down to earth, grateful guy, happy to be doing what he's doing. Bring on the next Altamont album.
I'm upset theMelvins were written off as loud music by someone in the industry and in the know (working with underground, edgy artists in the backlight, hardly getting recognition) and THEN responding publicly, when he gets called out over hearsay, like a whiny and under-appreciated bleeding heart scene hero.
The melvins are more than just loud music! They have humor and poise, loud and soft moments, and bizarre turns of sonic phrasing. Of course...if I didn't consistently creat what I wanted, when I wanted, for people who liked what I did and asked for more but different versions of the same, then I might, um, run KillRockStars too.
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 08, 2010, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 08, 2010, 04:44:51 PM
" I hardly ever listen to him"
"An album can get a bit draining"
" the vocals sound nice but often samey in a way that is fatiguing"
" When I hear the guy, I typically get in the mood to turn it off "
" I usually stay the hell away from stuff with "that" aesthetic"
Sterling Endorsement. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haha. Yeah, I mean it's not quite up my alley, but I don't think it is bad at all. Some songs are downright good. If I'm in a mood to listen to downer singy guitary stuff, I just prefer something like Nick Drake or Bert Jansch, but they have more of a folk vibe to Smith's pop. I do like lots of stuff that can be a bit draining... sonically that is... trying to think of an example.... Actually Big Black, which I love, can sound drainy if the mood is not right.
It's more about ear fatigue. Does anyone else get that? Where certain frequencies appear a lot in a band or album and they just sort of tire the ear. It can sound good, but tiring. Live shows can sound that way sometimes due to the recording quality. Elliott Smith does this double tracking thing with his vocals that sounds nice, but it tires my ears after a while.
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 09, 2010, 01:17:22 AM
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 08, 2010, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 08, 2010, 04:44:51 PM
" I hardly ever listen to him"
"An album can get a bit draining"
" the vocals sound nice but often samey in a way that is fatiguing"
" When I hear the guy, I typically get in the mood to turn it off "
" I usually stay the hell away from stuff with "that" aesthetic"
Sterling Endorsement. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haha. Yeah, I mean it's not quite up my alley, but I don't think it is bad at all. Some songs are downright good. If I'm in a mood to listen to downer singy guitary stuff, I just prefer something like Nick Drake or Bert Jansch, but they have more of a folk vibe to Smith's pop. I do like lots of stuff that can be a bit draining... sonically that is... trying to think of an example.... Actually Big Black, which I love, can sound drainy if the mood is not right.
It's more about ear fatigue. Does anyone else get that? Where certain frequencies appear a lot in a band or album and they just sort of tire the ear. It can sound good, but tiring. Live shows can sound that way sometimes due to the recording quality. Elliott Smith does this double tracking thing with his vocals that sounds nice, but it tires my ears after a while.
Here's what I hear...
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Big Black, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
but it tires my ears after a while. :lol:
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 09, 2010, 05:05:22 AM
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 09, 2010, 01:17:22 AM
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 08, 2010, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: VaticanShotglass on August 08, 2010, 04:44:51 PM
" I hardly ever listen to him"
"An album can get a bit draining"
" the vocals sound nice but often samey in a way that is fatiguing"
" When I hear the guy, I typically get in the mood to turn it off "
" I usually stay the hell away from stuff with "that" aesthetic"
Sterling Endorsement. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haha. Yeah, I mean it's not quite up my alley, but I don't think it is bad at all. Some songs are downright good. If I'm in a mood to listen to downer singy guitary stuff, I just prefer something like Nick Drake or Bert Jansch, but they have more of a folk vibe to Smith's pop. I do like lots of stuff that can be a bit draining... sonically that is... trying to think of an example.... Actually Big Black, which I love, can sound drainy if the mood is not right.
It's more about ear fatigue. Does anyone else get that? Where certain frequencies appear a lot in a band or album and they just sort of tire the ear. It can sound good, but tiring. Live shows can sound that way sometimes due to the recording quality. Elliott Smith does this double tracking thing with his vocals that sounds nice, but it tires my ears after a while.
Here's what I hear...
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Big Black, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but it tires my ears after a while. :lol:
Did Someone say BIG BLACK? Atomizer is one of the greatest albums EVER!
Hahaha! Big Black is awesome.
Quote from: MasterFlex J. Shizzle on August 08, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
The older I get, the more I tire of Buzz's shtick.
Conversely, the older he gets, the more Dale seems like a down to earth, grateful guy, happy to be doing what he's doing. Bring on the next Altamont album.
I'd say this:
the older MELVINS get... the more it becomes important to have a steady income and have a "career" as opposed to say... sex, drugs and rock-n-roll.
in other words: when you're 25 and living on someone's couch you have the freedom and the rebellious spirit to do anything. when you're 45 you have a mortgage and hungry children.
this does affect one's attitude and battle plan.
Slim Moon left KRS to work for Nonesuch/Warner Brothers.
slim moon is a idiot, and Kill Rock Stars is a joke of a "record" label.... if i ever run into him ill mushroom stamp his forehead!!!
The only CDs I own from KRS is the Thrones one, and both Marnie Stern albums.(which are great) This guy's an asshole, and he probably needs the attention. I don't know or care about anything else on that label. Probably all typical gay hipster shit.
Bikini Kill was pretty good, too.
hahahaha the label is called Kill Rock Stars, and Slim's trying to kill a rock star, but his attempts are futile.
KRS is almost as wimpy as the garbage that T&G have glommed onto in the last few years. Blonde Redhead etc..
fuck pansy music, heavy rock with an intellectual edge is where it's at ... and that's Melvins. period.
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 09, 2010, 03:05:42 PM
slim moon is a idiot, and Kill Rock Stars is a joke of a "record" label.... if i ever run into him ill mushroom stamp his forehead!!!
I'll punch that cybaby son of a bitch no talent motherfucker bastard ass dickhead ball slapping dicksucker right square in the goddamn larynx.
Quote from: anaconda on August 09, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
heavy rock with an intellectual edge is where it's at ... and that's Melvins. period.
YEAH!!! :)
we agree on that. peace.
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 09, 2010, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 09, 2010, 03:05:42 PM
slim moon is a idiot, and Kill Rock Stars is a joke of a "record" label.... if i ever run into him ill mushroom stamp his forehead!!!
I'll punch that cybaby son of a bitch no talent motherfucker bastard ass dickhead ball slapping dicksucker right square in the goddamn larynx.
hell yeah!!! LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: anaconda on August 09, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
heavy rock with an intellectual edge is where it's at ... and that's Melvins. period.
noooooo!!!
this reminds me too much of hydrahead's slogan 'thinking man's metal' which i could never stand in the first place. just think of aaron turner's pretentious face, with designer glasses if you will.... it just feels wrong, doesnt it.
intellect and rock music just shouldn't be mixed. AT ALL.. it spoils the fun. if anything, it's that gutsy feeling that makes the melvins so awesome, and THAT's a no-brainer ;)
Quote from: norecess on August 10, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: anaconda on August 09, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
heavy rock with an intellectual edge is where it's at ... and that's Melvins. period.
noooooo!!!
this reminds me too much of hydrahead's slogan 'thinking man's metal' which i could never stand in the first place. just think of aaron turner's pretentious face, with designer glasses if you will.... it just feels wrong, doesnt it.
intellect and rock music just shouldn't be mixed. AT ALL.. it spoils the fun. if anything, it's that gutsy feeling that makes the melvins so awesome, and THAT's a no-brainer ;)
=D>
So stupidity and metal should be mixed 100 percent of the time?
Stupid + Metal = Poison
In MY opinion, the most divine combination of all iz HUMOR and ROCK N' ROLL:
Butthole Surfers
Ween
Lunachicks
GWAR
Green Jello
Beastie Boys
Ramones
Faith No More
Dead Kennedys
Pissed Jeans
AND even the Melvins!
Bands with a sense of humor fucking RULE. Which usually either requires intelligence or extreme stupidity. Something most bands today lack. FUCK YEAH!!!!
Melvins should leave you thinking WTF!?!
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
3/4 of TOOL rule.....1/4 used to.
hey, easy with the trig. now you're really losing me. so.. tool is mostly okay then?
Quote from: glen on August 10, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
3/4 of TOOL rule.....1/4 used to.
hey, easy with the trig. now you're really losing me. so.. tool is mostly okay then?
they are phenomenal
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: glen on August 10, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
3/4 of TOOL rule.....1/4 used to.
hey, easy with the trig. now you're really losing me. so.. tool is mostly okay then?
they are phenomenal
you know how the saying goes.." opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one"
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 10, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
So stupidity and metal should be mixed 100 percent of the time?
no, but trying to intellectualize music or articulate it in a intellectual way is just a waste of time.
At the end of the day, music is supposed to represent a feeling. Associating that feeling with an idea dilutes the feeling.
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 10, 2010, 11:38:20 PM
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: glen on August 10, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 10, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
3/4 of TOOL rule.....1/4 used to.
hey, easy with the trig. now you're really losing me. so.. tool is mostly okay then?
they are phenomenal
you know how the saying goes.." opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one"
"...and they're full of shit."
"we can bring this to the streets nigga, fuck makin records"
who cares?
this is like some entertainment tonight nonsense except... noone cares.
TOOL rool.
Tool is cool.
I don't need to fucking PAY to see TOOL play! I already have my OWN Tool!
Quote from: TheLegitMan93 on August 11, 2010, 03:26:58 PM
I don't need to fucking PAY to see TOOL play! I already have my OWN Tool!
No matter what anyone says, you gotta pay someone to play with your tool.
Quote from: Kolonel Kurtz Kobain on August 11, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: TheLegitMan93 on August 11, 2010, 03:26:58 PM
I don't need to fucking PAY to see TOOL play! I already have my OWN Tool!
No matter what anyone says, you gotta pay someone to play with your tool.
Maybe I could have somebody
open up for my Tool!
Quote from: norecess on August 09, 2010, 03:02:00 AM
Quote from: MasterFlex J. Shizzle on August 08, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
The older I get, the more I tire of Buzz's shtick.
=D>
I read this the other day and started to respond but thought it was a waste of energy and time. Now, after some fine JW red I am willing to fucking type this out.
Shtick?
You dumb asses.
Stick a microphone and camera if front of me and ask a bunch of questions, (most of which are not worthy of such a magnificent talent as Buzz), and I will PROBABLY say something along the same lines every time.
I think you are confusing shtick for who the dude IS, and what he BELIEVES.
Fuck it. This would be much better if we could hang out and TALK to each other. But this might be the next best thing.
right on rusty... i am picking up what you are putting down man
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 11, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
right on rusty... i am picking up what you are putting down man
Yeah, tell em Rusty !
B.O. is the coolest ! You think he's gonna tell
you* If he likes fruit on his waffles or how he has to go into transcendental meditation before he
does his civil war reenactment pilates ?..........................No, no he's not and shame on you for thinkin' he should. Your so old and tiered of ol' Buzz
not spoon feeding you some kinda deep meaning of life bullshit cause you don't wanna have to use your own brain for anything more than deciding
if you want six nuggets or nine...................................six you fat fuck, SIX !
* MasterFlex/Norecess
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 11, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 11, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
right on rusty... i am picking up what you are putting down man
Yeah, tell em Rusty !
B.O. is the coolest ! You think he's gonna tell you* If he likes fruit on his waffles or how he has to go into transcendental meditation before he
does his civil war reenactment pilates ?..........................No, no he's not and shame on you for thinkin' he should. Your so old and tiered of ol' Buzz
not spoon feeding you some kinda deep meaning of life bullshit cause you don't wanna have to use your own brain for anything more than deciding
if you want six nuggets or nine...................................six you fat fuck, SIX !
* MasterFlex/Norecess
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
(dunununownononownonononunoww)
^ School,Nirvana?
Quote from: TheLegitMan93 on August 12, 2010, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: >>>JZS<<< on August 11, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 11, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
right on rusty... i am picking up what you are putting down man
Yeah, tell em Rusty !
B.O. is the coolest ! You think he's gonna tell you* If he likes fruit on his waffles or how he has to go into transcendental meditation before he
does his civil war reenactment pilates ?..........................No, no he's not and shame on you for thinkin' he should. Your so old and tiered of ol' Buzz
not spoon feeding you some kinda deep meaning of life bullshit cause you don't wanna have to use your own brain for anything more than deciding
if you want six nuggets or nine...................................six you fat fuck, SIX !
* MasterFlex/Norecess
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
NO RECESS!
(dunununownononownonononunoww)
Exactly.
Quote from: ManWithNoName on August 11, 2010, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 10, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
So stupidity and metal should be mixed 100 percent of the time?
no, but trying to intellectualize music or articulate it in a intellectual way is just a waste of time.
At the end of the day, music is supposed to represent a feeling. Associating that feeling with an idea dilutes the feeling.
Would you not agree that classical music is an intellectual form of music or is conducive for producing an intellectual environment? I associate classical music with intellect. I know a great many people that listen to classical music when wanting an environment to concentrate in order to work.
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 12, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: ManWithNoName on August 11, 2010, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 10, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
So stupidity and metal should be mixed 100 percent of the time?
no, but trying to intellectualize music or articulate it in a intellectual way is just a waste of time.
At the end of the day, music is supposed to represent a feeling. Associating that feeling with an idea dilutes the feeling.
Would you not agree that classical music is an intellectual form of music or is conducive for producing an intellectual environment? I associate classical music with intellect. I know a great many people that listen to classical music when wanting an environment to concentrate in order to work.
FUCK CLASSICAL MUSIC!!! There is only one way to listen to music and that is LOUD!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 12, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: ManWithNoName on August 11, 2010, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 10, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
So stupidity and metal should be mixed 100 percent of the time?
no, but trying to intellectualize music or articulate it in a intellectual way is just a waste of time.
At the end of the day, music is supposed to represent a feeling. Associating that feeling with an idea dilutes the feeling.
Would you not agree that classical music is an intellectual form of music or is conducive for producing an intellectual environment? I associate classical music with intellect. I know a great many people that listen to classical music when wanting an environment to concentrate in order to work.
i listen to ambient/ some noise stuff for this reason, helps the creativity, almost inspires. i hate the word intellectual though.
If one is intellectual it should humble you and not puff you up. Pride mixed with intellectualism is not a good thing. I consider myself reasonably intellectual with much of it from autodidactic pursuits but I always like to share what I come to know without any sort of pretentious attitude because I feel its the proper way to be with knowledge. For instance, my son is taking a German language course at school and he and I are going over what he learned for the day and I am attempting to retain it. I think German is a cool language. My interest in that is because of my family's German heritage. Intellectual pursuits can help you.
FUCK SLIM MOON!!! what kinda stupid name is slim anyway?
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 12, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
what kinda stupid name is slim anyway?
a good nickname for a fat guy ...
Quote from: Joe Deutrom on August 12, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
Would you not agree that classical music is an intellectual form of music or is conducive for producing an intellectual environment?
I think the two tend to be associated together rightly or wrongly. Of course being an avid fan of classical music does not necessarily predicate intellect. An individual that likes hardcore dance or a commonly considered lesser valued genre could be just as (or more) well versed. In terms of perception of intellect, it reminds me of something i read years ago that went along the lines of "speed of thought is no indicator of depth of knowledge."
Quote from: (((O))) on August 13, 2010, 07:56:00 AM
Quote from: Mount Ambulance on August 13, 2010, 12:11:07 AM
Quote from: grays harbor mafia on August 12, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
what kinda stupid name is slim anyway?
a good nickname for a fat guy ...
Slim Shady aint fat!
Nah, he's dumb & Phat! Do the kids still even say that ... ya know, fat with the ph? I always thought that was pretty crafty lingustically speaking.