Hold It In

[#2 Pencil]

I think you are undervaluing the art and overestimating the leeching fans.

Exactly my point. AmRep makes enough to cover the realistic amount they will sell. Outside of this they don't have after costs. Warehousing, staff and Internet related crap. They know how many desire these, similar to when a label would release a single with a b-side, but in this case it's the art factor. They don't sit there and go, "we'll get a chunk here". They just make what will move.

Like I said, it's only 10% that actually desire everything. Leeches operate in every form of collecting. Mainly because of the impulse factor.

[Dumpster D]

The original pressing of Faith No More's The Real Thing had Edge of the World missing on the LP. To get that on vinyl you had to get From Out of Nowhere. Anthrax's Black Lodge was also missing on the Sound of White Noise LP. This is how it always was back in the day. Shit doesn't always fit. You make a good point, but you are incorrect. Buzzo likes AmRep. He does that stuff for the art. If a dickhead has to pay a ridiculous price from a flipper and can't see that someone is cashing in on what's hot at the moment, that's their problem. The only point you made that alluded to something was marketing. That's why the supermarket puts lollies at the register. It's called impulse. Most collectors are prone to this. Collectors only make up about 10% of the market. And that's why AmRep stuff is so limited. Not many dickheads want everything.

while I agree the whole *Track* space thing is a result of the Analog Age evolving into the Digital Era, Im only basing my post around what has simply been said in previous posts from other members here.

as for both marketing and Track space by the numbers;

I dont personally know the math...


Ok well, my bold marketing assumption  in this case was clearly based around the point which was Raised that the Bride LP had enough room to fit the missing tracks offered on the Ten inch. this Album, I have no copy of, and cannot confirm firsthand.

Same with What was mentioned about FREAK PUKE LP missing a track while it *should* have been able to fit on the pressing, this wasnt something I own, therefore I cant physically see the groove allowance myself.

Im only going based on what I know about the money-mad music industry and the information provided herein to make any sort of suggestions about why or why not the Melvins LPs didnt include Tracks that the CD version includes.

again, it could be that it doesnt fit and its also a good marketing stragegy simultaneously.

who wouldnt love a win-win like that!!!! 

[#2 Pencil]

Comparing what is released on cd and vinyl is a different thing completely. The main reason a cd has more tracks is because a label will attempt to fill it. They will choose from the tracks available and most of the time not be concerned with space limitations. Because there aren't any. Vinyl is different, and like in the early days will rarely press on 2 LP's unless there is a reasonable provision to. Unfortunately the Melvins won't fit this unless added cost is taken upon themselves. Remember most of their vinyl is on small labels. The market for this isn't really warranted for doubles when the major consumer just wants the music. There is the added fact that Dale and Buzz do understand the collectors mentality. I don't believe tracks are intentionally withheld, but know they can do something small and elaborate for those people.

[Dan_Halen]

I agree #2Pencil, I believe the tracks were omitted for spacial reasons in order to maintain good audio quality on the vinyl pressing.(Which is a good thing)  That being said I think it's crazy that they left off "Eyes On You". For me it's one of the better tracks on the LP. Leaving "You Can Make Me Wait" off would have been a better choice to leave off the record in my opinion.

[Satchel Paige]

I agree #2Pencil, I believe the tracks were omitted for spacial reasons in order to maintain good audio quality on the vinyl pressing.(Which is a good thing)  That being said I think it's crazy that they left off "Eyes On You". For me it's one of the better tracks on the LP. Leaving "You Can Make Me Wait" off would have been a better choice to leave off the record in my opinion.

I disagree with #2 pencil and agree with Dan. If it said 'eyes on you' on the package but the song was removed I'd be dissapoined because that song kicks ass.

[#2 Pencil]

At the end of the day in order to release it on vinyl songs needed to be removed as the length exceeded 45 min. The selected tracks that were released digitally totalled 53 min. How they select these to be removed is unknown, but logic says the 2 removed works as Dan suggests. You Can Make Me Wait is really too short to be considered, and Sesame Street Meat probably worked better included (is roughly the same length as Eyes On You) keeping the integrity and flow overall. I guarantee more people are happy with the LP than complain about missing tracks. Unfortunately track lengths in vinyl and cd will more often never always match these days unless the LP is pressed as a double. This just adds more cost. It started back in the late eighties where at times more songs were on the cassette. Hell if you get Standing on a Beach by The Cure on cassette you get the B-Sides as well. The LP has less tracks on it, and the cd has all the A-Sides that were on the cassette.

[Dumpster D]

I will have to pick up a vinyl copy and hear how it sounds.

but if the Length was 53 minutes on the CD, then #2 pencil is right, that quality had to be preserved by omitting a couple tracks for the pressing.

youre saying it Has less to do with marketing and more to do with sound and cost.


Anyway I doubt they will split a record pressing from* a double Twelve inch LP into a double containing a mixed size. one Twelve inch LP and one TEN inch LP to fit together. Thats Just non-sensical. and the cost of the double is more and one side of the Record would be blank or would have to have more track included. The cost is making more sense to me now. 

It was only logical to put the cut tracks out on a seperate Release on a smaller sized Vinyl.

Because splitting 53 Minutes into a double 12 inch would be like putting less than 10 minutes of Track PER side of each LP. youre right.

more annoying to me than having one 12 inch that has a solid 45 minutes on it, and a Ten inch that contained the missing tracks and also included Bonus B sides like would have been Featured on the Cassette release if this was 1989 right now.

alright, I think I get it now.

Add to it this much more;

The whole B side thing, The HAT 45 singles have a good chunk of Excellent Things not included on the CD!  when the CD could probly have fit on it its around 72 Min or something, THINK ABOUT IT Ironically enough anyway.


Cassette is a good way That I listen to those, If I had the Singles 1-12 Series I would do like someone else here suggested and put the A sides on one side of the Cassette and the B sides on the B sides for two completely different albums.

[Chief Ten Beers]

 Back in the mid-late '80s when CDs were the new medium you'd get the record & cassette released first, then months later the CD would come out. It's almost the other way around now. A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them. A few examples I can think of are the first two Rollins Band albums, and Zappa's "Broadway The Hard Way" & "Guitar".
So basically, CDs are still my preferred choice. I'm way more selective on what I buy on vinyl, yet this week I grabbed the Fantomas vinyl box, mainly for the new art/package & the demo tape. I now own two versions of Delirium Cordia on vinyl.

[DAYSTAR]

I now own two versions of Delirium Cordia on vinyl.

Same here

A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them.

While good in theory, it was often overkill. It worked well for a live set or two previously released albums on one cd, but it seemed like a lot of bands would fill up the cd because they could, or probably were forced to by the label. It took the flow out of a record like you used to get from having the two sides of vinyl or a cassette. Often on a two sided release each side would have a theme, or a mood. The best songs might be at the end of a side. With a 20 track cd around the middle it became just filler. I would lose interest around track 14 or so

[Dumpster D]

I now own two versions of Delirium Cordia on vinyl.

Same here

A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them.

While good in theory, it was often overkill. It worked well for a live set or two previously released albums on one cd, but it seemed like a lot of bands would fill up the cd because they could, or probably were forced to by the label. It took the flow out of a record like you used to get from having the two sides of vinyl or a cassette. Often on a two sided release each side would have a theme, or a mood. The best songs might be at the end of a side. With a 20 track cd around the middle it became just filler. I would lose interest around track 14 or so

Let us also not forget the advent of the SECRET SONG! found more commonly on CD.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmtbsFW0tCw

[meezer]

A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them.

While good in theory, it was often overkill. It worked well for a live set or two previously released albums on one cd, but it seemed like a lot of bands would fill up the cd because they could, or probably were forced to by the label. It took the flow out of a record like you used to get from having the two sides of vinyl or a cassette. Often on a two sided release each side would have a theme, or a mood. The best songs might be at the end of a side. With a 20 track cd around the middle it became just filler. I would lose interest around track 14 or so

I agree. Most albums are bloated, tired affairs, following the introduction of the compact disc.
But the exception to that rule are the true masterpieces, like Ministry - Filth Pig.

[ZILLA]

A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them.

While good in theory, it was often overkill. It worked well for a live set or two previously released albums on one cd, but it seemed like a lot of bands would fill up the cd because they could, or probably were forced to by the label. It took the flow out of a record like you used to get from having the two sides of vinyl or a cassette. Often on a two sided release each side would have a theme, or a mood. The best songs might be at the end of a side. With a 20 track cd around the middle it became just filler. I would lose interest around track 14 or so

I agree. Most albums are bloated, tired affairs, following the introduction of the compact disc.
But the exception to that rule are the true masterpieces, like Ministry - Filth Pig.

I love Filth Pig!

[meezer]

A lot of bands/artists took advantage of the amount of music you could fit onto a CD, and put sometimes 20-30 more min of music on them.

While good in theory, it was often overkill. It worked well for a live set or two previously released albums on one cd, but it seemed like a lot of bands would fill up the cd because they could, or probably were forced to by the label. It took the flow out of a record like you used to get from having the two sides of vinyl or a cassette. Often on a two sided release each side would have a theme, or a mood. The best songs might be at the end of a side. With a 20 track cd around the middle it became just filler. I would lose interest around track 14 or so

I agree. Most albums are bloated, tired affairs, following the introduction of the compact disc.
But the exception to that rule are the true masterpieces, like Ministry - Filth Pig.

I love Filth Pig!

Hell Yes! They should have added this. Over 60 minutes of that electro funeral dirge.

http://youtu.be/VJpkGmGWfZQ

[#2 Pencil]

Isn't this the only song that survived what was going to be the Al and Ogre thing?
I think they were going to call it WELT

[meezer]

Isn't this the only song that survived what was going to be the Al and Ogre thing?
I think they were going to call it WELT

I don't know. It was released in '94 on the Escape From LA soundtrack. I think. Look at the other YouTube clips. I got it on the Lay Lady Lay single, when Filth Pig came out, but noticed the copyright was from two years before.